hi, i'm large normal 242. and i'm over with.

[MariaR]

Cape you just saw my wolf game you should know this isn't my wolf game sob

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d6 final vote count!

Enchant (3):

MathBlade, Cape90, Enchant

not voting (2):

Lukewarm, MariaR

with 5 alive, it took 3 to blow someone up.

[schadd_]

Enchant was made to explode! he was a

mafia night 3 voyeur

!

night 6 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-11-19 19:15:05).

[schadd_]

i'll do a fast night if all players tell me they want to

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MathBlade has tragically been exploded in the night! he was a

town voyeur

.

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Spoiler:

[img]dog[/img]

vote count 7.0 !

not voting (3):

Lukewarm, Cape90, MariaR

with 3 alive, it takes 2 to blow someone up. day 7 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-11-30 23:33:12)

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[Lukewarm]

Okay, I put a lot of energy into this game over the night, and put a lot of time into doing a scum case.

But I am not home right now, and it is on my PC.

VOTE: Maria

Case will come later tonight once I am back home

[Lukewarm]

No body being here is making me uncomfortable.

I was really looking forward to either the instant cross or the cape "here, not hammering" post to tell me I am right, so if either one of you can log on I would greatly appreciate it

[Cape90]

oh

hello

[Cape90]

pokemon fun. anyways I am town as you may have figured by me not hammering there

so yeah, convince me I guess lol

I wasn't expecting a vote so early lmao

[Lukewarm]

Okay, thank you

[Cape90]

No body being here is making me uncomfortable.

I was really looking forward to either the instant cross or the cape "here, not hammering" post to tell me I am right, so if either one of you can log on I would greatly appreciate it

i like how i came in as soon as you said "omg nobody here"

[Cape90]

I will await cases, as for myself, got distracted by pokemon lel

[Lukewarm]

Yeah, the timing was appreciated lol

[Lukewarm]

I don't actually get to Elo very often.

I think I have done 4 ever? And two of those were in the guardians set up, where all players on the playerlist are broken up into 3p elos.

But of the 4, I have also never voted correctly in Elo before, so this is nice.

[Lukewarm]

Okay.

Am home.

[Lukewarm]

Day 3

-- Pooky just flipped scum.


Subject: hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

Obv mafia 1 dead
VOTE: Toogeloo
Next.

Subject: hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

Ngl I started TRing Frog but just didn't say anything cause I wanted people to think I'd push them. Unlucky that they died but that makes me think someone's role would out them as a wolf.

Think I'm voting in

Save/MT/Too

Okay, he top scum reads as partners for pooky are: STD, MalcolmTucker, and Toog.

But then her next real post after this one is an empty vote on BCG

Subject: hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

VOTE: BCG

Why did she vote here? It is outside of her top 3 scum reads. Well, this is what just happened before this vote

Spoiler:

Subject: hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

replacing save the dragons as well as big chungus gaming

Subject: hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

VOTE: Big Chungus Gaming

Scum repalce out

Subject: hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

VOTE: Big Chungus Gaming

Subject: hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

VOTE: BCG

Working with my TRs

It was in response to this wagon forming on the slot after it started getting replaced.

But as soon as the wagon started dissipating, she moved away again. This time to Malcolm Subject: hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

This whole thing feels off. Like her votes are not moving based on her reads, they are moving based on where she needs to be positioned.

The thing that stands out to me, is that at the start of day, Toog was her biggest scum read based on her entrance, and when those votes piled up Toog was one of them. Like, yes, I know that NM and Math were there too, but she is not responding at all to the fact that her biggest scum read just naked voted onto this quick forming wagon.

This is compounded when you look at her leaving the BCG wagon. When she leaves, NM is still there calling the slot scum, and if she was there just to sheep conf town NM, then why does she leave to be The First Vote on a new wagon? Or was she sheeping Math, who was only there to sheep NM and Toog?

And even the person who actually made the argument not to vote BCG was Toog.

Subject: hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

Also, everyone is Pooky and let me know if their interactions with BCG seem aligned. I'm think I'm getting cold feet on this one.

Subject: hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

UNVOTE:

NM, let's look elsewhere.

So, she followed her biggest scum read onto the wagon, and followed her biggest scum read back off.

It just… feels like her being on the wagon in the first place was not read motivated, but instead motivated on positioning wrt her scum buddy getting ran up while they could not defend themselves, and then hoping off once that issue resolved itself.

[Lukewarm]

Side note:

The Toog read

As soon as Pooky flipped scum, Maria immediately had Toog as his scum partner

Subject: hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

Obv mafia 1 dead
VOTE: Toogeloo
Next.

Subject: hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

If toog is mafia, I am just suspecting people that don't try day 1 only to actually become helpful day 2. Happened with Pooky after all. Not interested in exploring that until later

You mean the 2 people who voted together all the time and didn't try day 1 are prob mafia? Gasp.

But the issue that I have here, is that is makes this feel like it was fake nuance

Subject: hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

Do you think Toog and Frog are both bussing Pooky?

Maybe, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be.

I find it semi unlikely Too/Pooky are together given how similar their play is but meh.

Pooky is a follower claim, if they went over it wouldn't be the end of the world.
What part of my reads don't match my play?

The fact that the moment Pooky flipped scum, Maria immediately went to Toog as a super obvious partner, makes it obvious that she never actually thought this in 2193.

"I find it semi unlikely Too/Pooky are together given how similar their play is"

and

"You mean the 2 people who voted together all the time and didn't try day 1 are prob mafia?"

Are like, intrinsically opposite thoughts.

X being true is

unlikely because of reason Y

, but could be possible
X being true is

very likely because of reason Y

[Lukewarm]

Day 6

Maria spent the entire day on the fence. Constantly saying that she needed more time to read before she could commit to a vote.

Subject: hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

Also the only reason I'm not voting is because I'm still reading unlike...probably everyone here?

Subject: hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

Ok ty I'm gonna go back to looking at isos

And I mean, the entire day. this one was her last post before Cape came in and voted.

But then, the moment the votes landedSubject: hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

Thank Charl for me not voting Math tbh lock cleared that slot on a reread

Turns out in the 3 hours between these two posts, Maria read the exact things she needed to have read in order to be 100% sure she had the right answer, that she had been missing during all of her rereading in the 4 full days that they were crossed.

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No.

I think that she was just hoping that Cape would vote math. Looking like she was still solving, waiting for Cape to vote wrong. Even did some little bits of encouragement there too

Spoiler:

Subject: hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

Out of literally everyone Enchant, I have been the only person that has voiced a lean towards Math and not you

You can try to convince me on why it's Math/Luke and not Enchant/Luke sure.

I think the main reason it isn't is because they have the same claim tbh

Subject: hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

Cape do you still think it's Math here?

Subject: hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

I think these last few pages are turning me around a tad.

Subject: hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

From my perspective, if Enchant is mafia, then someone is quite literally bussing between the 2 of Maria/Luke

Yeah the Luke Math double team is seriously giving me pause

Yes, I know she also made posts calling Enchant scum, but that is basically my point.

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And yet, the whole time that she is fence sitting, she is calling me scummy for wanting to make sure that me and cape agree before either of us votes.


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Also,
Subject: hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

I don't believe you for a single but we'll reach that bridge when we cross it.

Don't know why Luke isn't freaking out when they've said they wanna vote Enchant and Cape wants to vote Math making me conf town

This post bothered me when it happened, but again. It just does not make any sense as a thought town!her would have here.

At the time of writing this, she is saying that she thinks it is me+enchant.

So, in that perspective of the game, why would she expect me to be freaking out if Cape is considering voting Math? That is literally a win for a Luke+Enchant team.

However, from if she is scum with enchant here, then cape voting math is a lose state for me. I think that she was genuinely surprised that I was not more bothered by cape considering voting math, because she knew that it was a loss for me, and this is just a perspective slip given her constantly presented certainty that I am scum.

[Lukewarm]

I am realizing that maybe I should have also considered doing a town case on myself?

I did not do that over the night.

idk if self town cases mean all that much, but If you think it will help you at all Cape, I can try to do one?

If so, it might be a bit. I have a busy day tomorrow, so if I am going to do one, it probably wont happen until super late tomorrow, or monday at the latest.

Same goes for if you have any questions for me.

I have chemo monday morning, so I will just be sitting in a chair on my laptop for several hours then for sure anyways

[Cape90]

Cape you just saw my wolf game you should know this isn't my wolf game sob

one thing

who are you besides maria? This is my first game with you as far as I am concerned

[Cape90]

another thing,

a hole that bothers me in the case against Maria. Maria seems like they have absolutely no incentive to kill Toog based on what you pulled up unless I am mistaken. So am I mistaken? I assume Enchant has had to have been uncaring of who they kill at night?

To contradict myself I found this

There are quite a bit of intentions to be cleaned from using BCG, and I think the most important is that Cape is absolutely town, and that there is a high likelihood of Titus (who replaced Sir Rhett) and/or Maria might be aligned.

He has a really high town read on STD, and mentions it in thread.

He has one singular interaction with Nero (now Enchant).

Enchant, what's your role again?

I might be wrong on Enchant also. I think Titus is the right choice today though.

possibly could explain that discrepency, I am curious to see what maria does. And no, I do not know what scumgame they were speaking of that one EOD

[Cape90]

another another thing,

Luke, so did you like... check me at all the night you evaluated Maria?

I am sure if you are mafia, you found it way easier to push Maria then myself, though Enchant did practically spew me anyways last day with me being their top townread for... reasons they "couldn't remember" or whatever.

[Cape90]

I am realizing that maybe I should have also considered doing a town case on myself?

I did not do that over the night.

idk if self town cases mean all that much, but If you think it will help you at all Cape, I can try to do one?

If so, it might be a bit. I have a busy day tomorrow, so if I am going to do one, it probably wont happen until super late tomorrow, or monday at the latest.

Same goes for if you have any questions for me.

I have chemo monday morning, so I will just be sitting in a chair on my laptop for several hours then for sure anyways

sure yeah

I would like towncases on both you and

If MariaR could do the same

thanks

[Cape90]

Starting Wednesday I will be V/LA