Crackers! Mafia -- Game Over. See page 50

[curiouskarmadog]

Bm self votes?

ha.

good line up

vote Korts

...too many games with you

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I want to poke CKD.

vote: CKD

take a number.

I think you're the only guy here who will understand the reasoning behind it.

I get it, on a similiar note, I was actually going to vote No lynch at first to test a theory.

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Also, i just realised i screwed up my first vote. I was MEANT to

Vote: No Lynch

BM

that is SO fucking funny ...interested in seeing a certian reaction.

just read this post.

[curiouskarmadog]

Vote: BM

for a self-vote followed by a No Lynch vote.

gets funnier.

xpost

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Ah, BM, you make me giggle inside, of course, so does midget porn.

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Voting yourself is kinda like saying "screw useless random votes, I'll start with voting myself for kicks and giggles." Then several joke posts after you switch to obsessive random voting. Doesn't mean much because the self-vote was apparantly a mistake and this being you an' all, but then again you did cry for Twito.

I am pretty sure he meant to vote no lynch..I will vouch for that much...if you question why I quick meta will answer your question

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*points at the rules*

Adel is a stickler for this if I remember right..sorry mod.

since I wasnt talking about a particular game (mostly just pointing in a general direction) i dont think she will mind..but will let it drop anyway (just in case)...

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nice Des has his cool avatar back

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unvote

vote is boring...and I think lacking.

vote roflcopter

see where this goes.

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ckd, because?

page 4 gut

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fair nuff

out of curiousity, who do you think is the most pro town at this moment

you me after me?

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vollkan...

but he always looks town to me.

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des is so town

good point, scum wouldnt act protown...

god this game is going to be so easy.

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town clearing town?

you cleared town already?..

tell me, when you won as SK (as stated in your sig)...were you scummy?

I think you are trying to earn yourself some buddies..and when i call you on it..you find a reason to OMGUS vote..

first major scum move this game..

vote in the right place.

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what "action" has Des done that puts in the "being" scum versus "acting" scum? I think i hit close to home.

being a winning SK, you should know that the SK tend to ACT and are perceived as the being the most protown in the game...but you seem to have completely forgot that...

now you are trying to play the semantic game...

nice.

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because I dont think you are "clearing" people right now. you are trying to buddy up with people right now. The fact that you won as SK, means you know that scum are suppose to act protown.

I am not asking to you defend your vote of me. now again, and please dont avoid this question this time..what has Des done that indicates to you that he being protown, versus acting protown..these are your terms not mine...now back them up.

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i'm not about to give a playbook as to what makes someone seem protown to me. you're trying really hard to make this about something it isn't. bringing in the sk game, for example, is an unnecessary distraction.

Back up your statement..quit avoiding it..you used the terms not me...I am calling bullshit on you.

Des, gut (page 4)..couple posts caught my attention...but now this is just too much

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Des, gut (page 4)..couple posts caught my attention...

ckd, gut (page 5)..couple posts caught my attention...

again, i am not asking you to defend your vote..I am asking you to explain to me (for the fourth time) why you felt Des is Being town versus acting town.

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again, gut...not a case.

I didnt like these questions on page 3..who thinks anyone is town on Page 3 of Day 1...I thought maybe he was trying to get conversation started..but just seemed too forced to me.

i love starting wagons

dgb, who do you think is most likely town?

vollkan, who do you think is most likely town?

kison, what do you think of bm?

We should let the SK kill some Mafia for us first.

1. roflcopter
2. Yosarian2
3. Raging Rabbit
4. Kison

i'm on that shortlist why?

more interestingly, yosarian is on that list why?

again, questions to get things started?..maybe...why does he not ask about RR and Kison?...sometime just doesnt feel right.

still waiting for vollkan to respond to me

to me, just seems like someone who is trying to look like they are scum hunting...again this is just a couple pages into the game.

added the buddying up manuver I had to vote to see what happened.

and look at the reaction I got.

OMGUS votes me..and refuses to back up his statements...he knows I caught him in a load a bullshit and he trying to avoid admitting it.

so my vote is in the right place.


and Des, Korts was a random vote...this one, not so much...seems like a silly question.

Des question for you...what do you think the difference is between "acting" protown and "being" protown? Do you understand whay he is saying?...What do you think you have done that deems you "being" protown versus just "acting" so? These are his terms not mine....curious if you have a clue...

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please note how ckd's insistence that i must be buddying up to des is pretty much admitting that he knows des is town

Again you are deflecting...YOU are the one that "cleared" Des already...I dont think anyone is town...I am sure as hell not going to vouch for anyone this early in the game...why do you feel comfortable doing it?

or is this just another question you are going to avoid..

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the vote is on page 5...it is gut..there is nothing more to go on this early in the game...

of course I am fucking reaching..it is early in the game..i am trying to scum hunt. lynch me if you need to for my gut vote on page 5...essentially you are voting me for the exact same reason, vollkan..you think i am reaching and your gut says that is scummy....I think he is trying to earn friends..it was a gut reaction..which is why I said in my vote "lets see where this goes" and didnt present a case with it. Vollkan you have seen me vote on my gut NUMEROUS times as town in the passed...funny you seem to be forgetting that now..why is that? Out of everyone in the game YOU should know I vote gut frequently..we have even discussed it before...noted.

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and Des, you are voting me why?..becauase you think it is noise?

but you said yourself, you dont understand what he is saying...why doesnt he get at least a question from you? He has cleared you...he says you are "being" protown and not "acting" it..but cant back up the statement when I call him on his bullshit...

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for the record, I cant find the game where vollkan and I discussed gut. I thought it was california trilogy but there vollkan explained why he hated gut votes. he also discusses why he hates gut votes in Invitational, but I was lynched at that point. I know you have busted my balls before about gut votes when we both were town(at least I think you were town)...and I know I told you at that time, that I hate second guessing myself and on Day 1...all we have to go on is GUT and FEELINGS..like it or not...this conversation is so familiar

also vollkan, those questions seemed out of place..it didnt set right with me...this OF COURSE is reaching...I stated several times it wasnt a case...I am not trying to parade it as anything else..it seemed force because they didnt make any sense..."vollkan, who do you think is town" (or something of the like) on page 3-4 IS forced. it looks like someone trying to LOOK like they are doing something without really doing anything.

what I really dont like is his bullshit about Des being town and there is a difference between acting town and being town....it cant back this up anything...how is Des being town versus acting like town 4 pages into the game...it is ridiculous...not sure why he is getting a pass from you on this.

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I am about a page or two behind..will catch up tomorrow..

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getting slammed right now at work..hoping to get to this thread in the next 1-2 days...only have time for a line or two...

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see sig (posting in 3 games).

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Is CKD trying to quietly slip his scummy self out from our collective consciousness?

Discuss.

if you really wanted to know the truth, you would meta me..

this is first in line (of 3) to be updated tomorrow..

avoiding the limelight huh?..is this brighter for you DGB?

vote, unvote CKD

thats -2, lets see if the powers that be let me update tomorrow.

discuss

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nice....seems to me if that was a vig kill (not certian when scum get to kill versus a vig)..that I should have been offed because I have the most "heat"...thanks for the thoughts anyway Guardian..

thats -1...will update tomorrow...unless stopped.

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just to be official then.

unvote, vote CKD

Elmo, as town, if I get hammered before I can update tomorrow the person better have a good reason, if not that tells you something...keeping me at -1, will provide a ton of information...though one might not know the value of said information until later days...especially if I do get hung...at this point, I think my lynching will provide the MOST information....my wagon needs to be analyzed...my "supporters" need to be looked at as well..sometimes those who scream "person x" is town the loudest while there is a wagon on them, ends up being scum...look at all the action and conversation my self vote as provided thus far...Des unvoted....now why would he do that? He thought I was scummy, then I self vote and he removes his vote? DGB thinks I am trying to hide (without checking my other games)..

DGB, the mod said I was dead?...what alignment was I? If you saw that I was dead, then why is your vote still on me? Your statement makes a ton of sense as usual.

also, if I was scum, there are a whole other set of reason why a self vote might be helpful..

so your statement about my self vote (not making any sense either alignment) is not that correct...

I agree that sometimes a self vote is pointless and useless...but I think in this particular instance it is a decent move. Also, I have self voted in other games and it became a game changer...so I disagree.

also, when I update tomorrow...I will unvote and vote who I think is the scummiest (I am about 5-6 pages behind, so my vote on copter was dated)....powers that be might want to get their hammer in before tomorrow and it becomes that much harder to lynch me.

soooo, you better get your quick hammer

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currently typing reports for work..once I am done there, will be updating this thread today...hopefully in the next 3-4 hours.

CKD, could you point us to a game where you self voted as town?

.

yeah there has been a couple...the one I was referring to was Dead Riki's nocross kill (got a nomination for best town performance)...I feel that self votes at times, can be informatitive no matter what Elmo says.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 51&start=0

though it should be noted, that I have also self voted as scum too (though I dont think in Day 1)..so the self vote from me, should be taking at the most as a null tell.

DGB, the mod said I was dead?...what alignment was I? If you saw that I was dead, then why is your vote still on me? Your statement makes a ton of sense as usual.

The alignment is 'town' - why you are officially hammering yourself now is beyond me. Besides, once you are revealed town, who in their right mind would hammer you??? There was no danger. Of course, I discounted your idiocy wholesale, and for this I am sorry.

unvote

wait a minute, I thought you were just being crazy..the mod actually posted a death scene and updated the first post?..did anyone else see this?

also,

unvote

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ugh, if the mod really did mess up...it is only fair that I be killed though it should be noted it was a modkill...it is not fair that some people have the information and others dont. I dont think mod would have screwed up, she seems to be on the ball.

if not, DGB is lying....(though I have no clue why)

not sure how to ask this.

Mod, has there be any death scenes posted and then edit/deleted?

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I am referring to this post.

Uhh...I'm pretty sure that doesn't count as a self-vote. You vote "nobody" and then unvote yourself.

I noticed that. How come the mod says that CKD is dead, and how come CKD keeps posting?

if the mod did indeed mess up, then it is not fair that only certian people who caught it, knows about it. I should be modkill, which sucks but is fair.

DGB is known to be insane though (not really joking here)..so she could have thought she saw it..

or she is lying...(can think of a couple reasons town/scum why someone would do that)

my question was to her, why if she saw it and knows my aligenment, was she still voting for me...because

I am

town..

her last post was answering that question...

side note for future: this actually would make an interesting scum gambit (if DGB and I were scum)..someone claims to see the mod post a death scene stating that their scum buddy was town....even if the mod comes back and says they didnt mess up..that might buy the person under the pressure some time to wiggle out of the wagon...another reason my lynching will produce a decent amount of information...

at any rate, I think the mod should comment...if it was a mess up, I should be mod killed...

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Mod, has there be any death scenes posted and then edit/deleted?

No.

DGB, please explain

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Sorry... I must have misread. I mistook "Guardian" in the death scene for "CKD."

This being said, speaking of insanity, CKD's most recent post is INSANELY scummy.

unvote, vote: CKD

Scum, I want you to die.

yeah, I am scummy for asking you or the mod to explain what happened, thus making you vote me again..

which post is scummy, and explain why.

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Sorry... I must have misread. I mistook "Guardian" in the death scene for "CKD."

explain how you mistook guardian's death scene for my death scene, when you posted several times AFTER Guardian's death scene was posted. explain why you said I was town in that scene, when all you had to do was go look to see if "my" death scene was still posted. I assume you did go look, before you apologized and unvoted. guardian's death scene has never changed and was on the last page..

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I wasnt assuming you and I are scum buddies.

how scummy of you not to mention this.

side note for future: this actually would make an interesting scum gambit

I said "you and I" as an example of how the gambit would work..since it just happened.

vote DGB.....

might change the vote after I post my reread notes...but right now, this is the most scummy...wonder why DGB isnt paying real close attention to the thread?

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explain how you mistook guardian's death scene for my death scene, when you posted several times AFTER Guardian's death scene was posted. explain why you said I was town in that scene, when all you had to do was go look to see if "my" death scene was still posted. I assume you did go look, before you apologized and unvoted. guardian's death scene has never changed and was on the last page..

My mind substituted Guardian's name for yours, for some reason. If that's not strange enough, I was wondering why people were talking about Guardian being dead... and why you kept posting, which is on the record.

so when I said there wasnt a death scene ands asked you to explain your vote on me, you went back and read my name for Guardian's a SECOND time?...why did you unvote and not ask the mod why my death scene was still posted?

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Going back to about page 6..so I make sure not to miss anything.
I am getting a lot of heat for my suspicions of rofl early in the game. I gets votes basically based on my gut. I openly admit that my vote and suspicions are “reaching” and gut driven, because we are early in the game…actually fresh out of the random vote stage. I find it funny how people feel that is scummy to vote on your gut during page 5 of Day 1….now people are not going to admit it, but the fact that you are voting me, is based on a gut instinct (unless you are scum and looking for something easy) that is telling you my gut vote is scummy…but going to move beyond that.

If I need to address again my early suspicions on rofl I will do so…

Post 137, vollkan votes me because of my gut vote, later (I think I read this, will have to read again to make sure) he calls that a joke vote.. ..if that is the case, that joke vote remained on me while I was up to -1 and still remains on me. My problems with this vote was I know vollkan has a problem with gut votes, but still categories my vote as gut anyway. I have (in plenty of games) gut voted and vollkan has never once attacked me for it. I find it strange now (as of page 6) there is a wagon on me he took THIS time to vote me and attack me for it. Explain.

Post 142

CKD's vote seems to root in OMGUS. After you've justified your suspicion of rofl with "page 4 gut", why do you feel the need for rofl to justify his read on des?

Not sure how my vote on rofl was OMGUS when I voted him first (which started this whole mess).

Post 143

and Des, you are voting me why?..becauase you think it is noise?

I think it's an unreasonably reachy argument. There is no reason arguments and cases have to be weak just because it's early in the game. What you're doing isn't even prodding and probing.

It is reaching…but NOT THAT reachy. It was early in the game…I upgraded my random vote (korts) to rofl who I felt might be making some scummy posts…and while you deem this as not prodding or probing, look at the reaction to come out of it. Now, I am not saying I did this for a reaction, but I didn’t do it to be safe either. I would not have advocated lynching rofl at the moment based on that, but it was enough for me to change my vote.

I stated several times it wasnt a case...I am not trying to parade it as anything else

I don't buy this. It's like you're saying you're only testing the waters. Here are some quotes:

The quotes are in post 143 if anyone needs them. The initial vote was gut…but when he refused to back up his words..when he fed me a bunch of bullshit like “there is a difference between acting town and being town” without explain it and how YOU were doing it…after he was being evasive..then the gut vote became stronger.

it looks like someone trying to LOOK like they are doing something without really doing anything.

What do you make of Korts' contributions before page 5?

Nothing..couple jokes..random votes…he wasn’t doing much of anything..but that was what most of goes on Day 1 in the first pages of a game…it was different in rofl play…I assume you are asking me about Korts at this point because I had my random vote on him…but what did anybody do in the first 5 pages of the game…other than BM spamming the thread..nothing really got this game going until my attack of rofl.

Post 163

*shrug* There are very few players who I am going to give leeway towards, but she happens to be one of them. It's not that I find it 'acceptable', but I'm far less willing to assume that DrippingGoofball in particular making ridiculous statements of that sort indicates one way or another that she is scum or town. I don't know how to read her, and I think you'll find that many people in this game who've played with her before know that she has a very unusual demeanor.

QFT

Post 172

ckd, kison: how does bm's declaration that ckd is protown differ from my own about des, and why has it gone ignored by you two up to this point?

you mean the statement he made during a spamming frenzy in between jokes and votes on page 2? Did you take that seriously? Should I have not taken your clearing of Des seriously?..I fail to see how they are similar…

post 195

This is supposed to be such a stellar cast -- we seem to have largely spam'd/noise'd our way to page 8 in two days. Short page lengths are better for towns -- in reality, people are not going to re-read 40 page day ones as well as they read 15 page day ones.

Please cut out the garbage -- it is unhelpful and suspcious. Posting a lot of nothing can make you look like you are scum hunting, being active, thinking about the game, etc. when you aren't.

I am especially annoyed with BM and rofl for this, off the top of my head. BM you need to re-read the thread and come up with something logical, and stop the knee-jerk voting reactions that seem to come three times a page.

rofl, when asked a question that you see that you are being asked, either refuse to answer it and move on (worse option), or answer it immediately (better option). Don't draw it out over a dozen posts where you get into a debate with others where you explain why you are refusing when you could just answer (worst option, one that you chose).

QFT

Post 214

The Korts-ckd connection became more evident when Korts talked about ckd's motives with so much confidence (Post 161). He describes ckd's case on rofl as OMGUS, ignoring the fact that ckd voted rofl before this could have been a factor. Why isn't Korts questioning the legitimacy of ckd's reasoning prior to his exchange with rofl? I think it's because he's scum trying to slow his buddy's wagon down, or possibly scum who knows ckd is town.

You make good observations/theories here. My reaction to rofl wasn’t a knee jerk, but I can see maybe how one might think that. I was mostly angered how rofl refused to answer my question and only through out more crap…then I was upset that no one else really seemed to see what I was seeing (at the time) I agree with your thoughts here though…it is easy for people to say “I agree with X” if someone knows that X is town and is getting ready to get hung…it might by the town creds later…is that what Korts is doing?..I don’t know…but like I have said, those who scream X is town the most, is probably scum…

Post 215, vollkan says it was a joke vote. Did you give me any indication that your vote was a joke?

Not sure why vollkan vote is still on me at this point…it was a joke vote, then you talk about a double standard..do you feel I am now scummy because you perceive me as a hypocrite?

Post 220, Guardian has a great post in reference to DGB

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Interesting how so much conversation is revolving around me and people links (be it defending or attacking ) to me…especially because no one is suppose to know my alignment yet…ok, got to do some chores before the wifey gets home…

This update brings me up to about page 10…

Going to attack the rest tonight (3-4 hours from now??)at one point…

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wow, this is going to be one of those games that I feel like saying "I told you so" at the end of it....is that immature?...probably...rofl, curious, when I flip town, how are you going to rebound?

going to try to finish my update here today, since I had no time yesterday to complete.

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Post 255

scum list:
ckd
guardian
elmo
bm?
kison?
korts?

in that order

curious what this list is to date...care to provide another..top 3 will be fine for me…also why would be good too.

Post 260

scum list:
ckd ✔
guardian

X

elmo

X

bm?

X

kison? ✔
korts? ✔
sensfan? ✔

didn’t see this during my skim before…you think I am scum (at this point)…why?..you never indicated why before

or really after this post

…in a quick skim (ahead) I see you address it…so I will address your post then.

Post 269

and elmo, how would you know anything about who is and isn't scum if you have no plans to actually read the thread until page 20?

This is actually a good point by rofl.

-_-_-
Just reading the game ROFL, you are not really scum hunting..you are basing almost every statement and theory on the notion I am scum…how are you going to bounce back like a champ, when your lack of anything correct Day 1 is exposed? I got an early read on you….sure it was gut…I might be wrong, but there wasn’t much to go on on page 4. I don’t think you are the scummiest (atm) and that little read is nothing compare to DGB…she is insane yes, but I have seen her actually attempt to scum hunt and provide insight it what is going on in other games. This game, she is not paying attention, just riding a wagon without providing anything…anyway I digress.
I am also interested…if I were to die this moment…and I flip town, who would be on your scum list..would it change?

-_-_-
Reading more(page 13), ROFL, does seem to be asking others questions(possibly scum hunting). However, noting that the game really only has 4-5 people really posting..everyone else is just popping in with one liners….

-_-_-

End of Page 13, Yos votes for me with little reason why (think later pages someone asks him about it and he does provide a reason)..getting there.

Don’t understand why everyone has DGB so protown at this point (page 14) in the game…SHE HAS DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING…how is that protown?

ROFL, Yos2, and Korts ….(might be missing another) all claim that DGB is being protown..based on what?

Ugh, BM uses a “your mom” joke..come on really?..even though it was in reference to another korts proclamation about how much DGB is town. Korts, at this point…why do you feel like DGB is town? Point to 2..just 2 things she has done at this point in that game (page 14) that she has done that is protown.

Post 331, Elmo explains why he thinks I am scum…but doesn’t vote me because I have 6 votes (at this point)…Elmo thinks korts is scum, because of his interactions with Des and Rofl..interesting.

Post 338, vollkan sort of argues part of my point about Des (being “so protown”), but at this point, still has his vote on me…ugh

-_-_-

Got to stop for now

At the top of page 15, where I was able to start skimming a little more in depth…there is a lot of meat on page 15…

I also see Pop joined the game with a vote on me…will get to that..Pop will be a better player than Zaizer, unless he flakes, which he sometimes does…

Sensfan, RR, BM, top two scum suspects? RR’s vote on Elmo, Sens vote of BM, and BM’s vote on korts are stale…still feeling them?..why?

Elmo, I have posted more in this game…you said you wanted to wait to vote me until you heard more from me..thoughts now? (if you have posted them in the past couple pages..I will get to them).

[curiouskarmadog]

Gone from the 25th until the 30th for the holidays...replace me if you got to...have 3 games that need serious updating..will try to hit them up tomorrow (25th) before I leave..

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back in town...will be rereading soon

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look i am going to be the lynch today....I wasnt able to do a reread today like I thought (super busy with everything)...my lynch will be the best lynch today. My lynch will provide the most information and you are not going to lose a power role (claim: vanilla, yeah I am claiming early, get the fuck over it)..like who jumped on my wagon when and why?...or who didnt jump on my wagon when and why? it seems everyone had an opinion of me at one point or another...I make for the ultimate lynch..I get that. But dont forgot what happened today in making future decisions..please.

some thoughts so far.

so far (what I have read up to, and I am sure things have changed)...rofl vote was strictly OMGUS and he has done nothing but push and push and push...at several points in the game he only thought the people on my wagon were "obv" town though he didnt state it directly....I remember posts like "DGB and vollkan seem mildly town"...at the time both were on my wagon..he tried to bully those not on my wagon by saying they were obv scum...I also didnt like his earlier play (which is partly why I am in the position I am in now)...my point, his actions should be reviewed tomorrow after my alignment is revealed...when reviewing his actions, take me out of the picture..what did he really do today?

DGB, is worthless...I dont think anyone can explain to me (maybe they have and I havent read it yet)..why they feel she is obv pro town...maybe they have knowledge I dont...I have seen her play SO much better...ask yourself, why she isnt paying attention.

for meta reasons, I think Yos might be town...it is a weak meta though...do with that what you will....

Des...getting protown reads from....as am i from Korts (not holding the "save your own ass" vote against you)....though if the tide does change last minute away from me, to a different player...I would wonder if your vote will change.

even though vollkan's vote is off of me (atm)...getting huge scum vibes off him...was on my wagon when it was hot..called him on his shitty (unmeta like) vote...jumps off then attacks someone who is on my wagon...though his points at the time (against Yos) have some merit..still not liking the way he is manuvering.

Pop, i think is mad at me for another game where he played VERY badly and I called him on it, I am sure it was embarassing for him...no real tell here, though I remember not liking Zaz when she was around.

getting some small scum vibes for Sensfan and Elmo..and small town vibes from BM.

nothing really from the rest...sucks the tracker was killed (right when he was defending me)...I also need to check to see who was the first (only?)to mention that Guardian could have been killed to make it look like I (as scum) was trying to buy myself some town cred....because Guardian was about to defend me...remember reading that and wanting to note it..

currently read to about page 18 or so..commented up to page 14..

will try to read the rest before I go and provide thoughts...but if I die before then..that is ok..

I am sorry I wasnt able to provide more time to this commitment....I am not going to ask for a replacement..because I have never had to be replaced and it would just screw the game up....

[curiouskarmadog]

hey DGB, when i flip town...I expect a very humbling apology from you..unless you are scum, then I understand.

[curiouskarmadog]

oh yeah...(sorry for the triple post)..

unvote, vote vollkan.

best place for my vote.

[curiouskarmadog]

The whole thing stinks; I feel like I'm being set up by scum-Volkan here, I just can't imagine how Volkan would act like this as town.

so many people are talking about my alignment and basing other's on it, but I still alive. If vollkan scum is setting you up...that must mean I am....???

but your vote still stays...why is that? Maybe you are setting up vollkan tomorrow, when I flip town....

Yos please explain your comment.

[curiouskarmadog]

hey pop, so that I know..what did I do that was a classic scumtell?..in your words

[curiouskarmadog]

Classic scumtell was pushing for a weak case (rolf), bringing unnecessary things or weak arguments to discussion.
The SK discussion is an unnecessary thing.
131 is a good example of pushing weak arguments.
I also feel what rolf is feeling in those first pages about des. Ask everyone. I would be ext surprised if Des comes up scum.
You ask how rolf thinks des is town in page 3. Tell me when rolf became obvscum to you? Your vote was based in a case or in gut?

Also, non related stuff, when the hell did you say that I played badly in Nice Shot?

I didnt push a case at first. I saw something that I found scummy and and took my random off and placed it on that person. I openly said numerous times that initally it was "reachy" and based on gut. In reference to the SK thing..He stated that Des was so protown...my point to him is that he has won a game before being a SK, so he should know that a lot of the times, the SK looks like the most town person in a game.

rolf looked more scum when he shouted bullshit, refused to answer questions, and OMGUS voted me..

also, POP, sense you think you have such a good grasp on the game...explain this to me.

acting protown and being protown are different things.

What did Des do in those first pages that was acting protown but not being protown?

[curiouskarmadog]

deleted due to reference to on-going game.

I believe that ckd made an honest mistake. He thought that it referred to a game that was over, and as soon as he realized that it was actually referring to a game that was not over he sent me a PM explaining that this post included a reference to an on-going game.

Because I believe that he has made a good-faith effort to play within the rules, and he self-reported his infraction, I am only deleting this post in an effort to minimize the impact upon the game.


~~~Adel

[curiouskarmadog]

not surprised...thats -1 kids...who will do the honors?

btw, the scum are vollkan, rofl (feel free to nominate me for mafia hunter or something the like)

consider this my "bah", "go town", and "I told you so."

also, DGB...will be waiting for the apology....I will be dead, but I will expect sweet words from the heart...if you could push out a tear...also, I would like you to chair some sort of CKD fund in my honor...

[curiouskarmadog]

what the fuck????

no no no...DGB...you are not getting out of my apology..I dont care if you did unvote...you have done nothing but push my wagon all day...you are not getting out of it that easy.

[curiouskarmadog]

any last comments from anyone on my wagon?

[curiouskarmadog]

I have CKD pulling really hard at my heartstrings (I told you I'll never let you play me like a violin ever again, put down that bow), and BM screaming "I'm scum! I'm scum!"

There is no way in hell that BM wouldn't think CKD is scummy, if he were town. The only way a player can see something townie in CKD is to be scum, KNOWING that CKD is town, despite evidence to the contrary.

CKD has more flashing scum marquees than Vegas has casinos. Only scum would defend him.

not pulling anything here...I expect my death today and think it is needed (at this point)...I am demanding from you an apology (once dead). Also, I am noting the ground work for BM's lynch tomorrow....

Do I think BM's last post was scummy?...meh..if he is scum, it was a safe post...it was like hey, just checking in to let everyone know I could hammer if I wanted too..but I am not....could be an attempt to buy creds once a flip town....it is safe because most likely I will hang today with his vote or not.......or it could be BM being BM..he likes to talk..it is for you guys to decide now..

no, my vote is right where it should be...

[curiouskarmadog]

I am moving my vote to curiouskarmadog by deadline if the wagons do not unbalance themselves.

why is that? if it is a tie, I still hang..the only thing I can do is vote Korts to save my own ass...will I?...dont know...doubt it though. still plenty of time left....and this action is getting interesting.

Kison what if you flip to me 6:5...then i flip to Korts 6:6...will you then hammer to "unbalance"?

not sure I understand your line of thinking.

[curiouskarmadog]

how is not voting korts to save my ass a coward move?

[curiouskarmadog]

rofl, do you think if you push hard enough to lynch a townie, you will have some WIFOM arguement tomorrow? "scum wouldnt have pushed that hard"..

all, for tomorrow, if you take me out of the picture..what has rofl done today?

[curiouskarmadog]

how is not voting korts to save my ass a coward move?

[curiouskarmadog]

why do you think I am not voting korts?...

[curiouskarmadog]

laughing....like you have been scum hunting today?

[curiouskarmadog]

(off topic)...DGB, can you make me an avatar with a santa hat on it? Liked the nibbler one you did for me.

[curiouskarmadog]

why do you think I am not voting korts?...

I don't know, CKD. Voting korts here seems like the obvious move for you no matter what your alighnment is; I can't imagine why you would let yourself die if you were scum or if you were town.

when I claimed vanilla..I meant it...I dont think korts is scum..later we can all laugh at me if I am wrong, but I dont want to chance killing a power role...also, if I do somehow live till tomorrow...it will be another up hill battle...I really think rofl and vollkan might be scum, the only way I can get people to look at them is if, I am not there as a distraction and people see that I was indeed geniune in my suspicion of them.


DGB, thanks. (off topic)

[curiouskarmadog]

my wagon was a joke...

did learn something from this game, though..no matter what..always save self...if I would have jumped on Korts wagon, might have hung the SK...have a feeling once I jumped on his wagon, I would have hung faster..who knows how everything would have changed after.

[curiouskarmadog]

how did you get strong town vibes from rolf? he refused to answer questions, was coy and was responsible for hanging me (town). I understand now why he stated des was so town" but didnt back it up with anything...because (and I was right) it was bullshit...he WAS just trying to draw a kill on des so he could block...it wasnt really based on anything. It was a good play actually, but it pinged my radar as scummy.

elmo, At the time, I thought vollkan and rolf were scum...and I didnt think anyone would pressure them until they knew my alignment. So I really didnt care if I hung(just vanilla). I have also seen scum and town throw off votes by self voting (though i think I wont do that again after reading Flay's thoughts on the matter). I did defend myself thoroughly so I am not sure where you got that I didnt. I was trying to stay alive, but didnt want to vote Korts (who I thought wasnt scum), and that was the only thing I could think of doing. Felt (at the time) the risk was worth it either way.

[curiouskarmadog]

how did you get strong town vibes from rolf? he refused to answer questions, was coy and was responsible for hanging me (town). I understand now why he stated des was so town" but didnt back it up with anything...because (and I was right) it was bullshit...he WAS just trying to draw a kill on des so he could block...it wasnt really based on anything. It was a good play actually, but it pinged my radar as scummy.

I dont know what exactly made me think rolf couldnt be scum now that I quick reread for an answer. It was pretty much gut combined with the idea that I didnt think rolfscum would have pushed "des is town" so hard with the possibility of a doctor in the setup. When you started attacking him I immediately sided with him since you cant blame us (the townies that supported your wagon) for considering your behaviour scummy towards him. There were some weak attacks and rolf was like fighting them not optimally but really really in a townie manner. Thats it basically.
Just curious, at some point, did you think des was scum?

No not at all...I thought Rofl was scum trying to either earn a buddy or attach himself to town....I couldnt see why rofltown would so blatantly support destown...I had many reasons to think that roflscum would support destown..

you say my reasoning was scummy and weak..yet you say that your read on rofl was based on gut...you see the silliness here?...you also forget my "attack" initally started on page 5 or 6...(it great later)...but the inital reason it was weak was because it was so early in the game..there was nothing to go on...I saw something small at first I thought was scummy