hi, i'm large normal 242. and i'm over with.

[Cape90]

Ah okay derp.

Yeah NM is lock town. Forgot about that thanks.

Mainly I want to find the scum that kills Frogger over me.

Because while I am alive scum are pretty much stuck doing what town decides.

I have to go now but yeah. That’s kinda where I am at.

That and I can’t figure out Titus.

Why is this true? You're active, sure, but it's not guaranteed town will follow your reads and it's not even guaranteed all town will trust you, as we're seeing with Titus. Scum could also be perfectly content leaving you alive if you're on the right track as well, or may simply have killed Frogster because they believed he had an important role and one of them had managed to identify it.

Okay Malcolm could be scum off this post . It just is really awkward

[Cape90]

Just the speculation makes my skin crawl

[Cape90]

would u want to vote malcolm pooky

im asking

would there be any world where u would vote malcolm

you still think pookys scum froggy..? why?

does pooky usually fake claim a pr as scum thats so easy to disprove?

i think i believe pookys, maybe mathblades idk

the rest idk

There's very little interaction between Marci/Pooky early on and these exchanges look like players who could potentially be partnered. Marci felt very hedgy on Pooky - not completely unwilling to vote there but never particularly pushing Pooky all that strongly either. Their read on the slot feels a little bit inconsistent, like they wanted to create some distance but didn't want to push there in case it picked up momentum.

This is a decent case with marci/pooky

[Cape90]

I would probably say marci over Malcolm, though I still don't know if they are

today's

pushes necessarily

[MalcolmTucker]

Ah okay derp.

Yeah NM is lock town. Forgot about that thanks.

Mainly I want to find the scum that kills Frogger over me.

Because while I am alive scum are pretty much stuck doing what town decides.

I have to go now but yeah. That’s kinda where I am at.

That and I can’t figure out Titus.

Why is this true? You're active, sure, but it's not guaranteed town will follow your reads and it's not even guaranteed all town will trust you, as we're seeing with Titus. Scum could also be perfectly content leaving you alive if you're on the right track as well, or may simply have killed Frogster because they believed he had an important role and one of them had managed to identify it.

Okay Malcolm could be scum off this post . It just is really awkward

Just the speculation makes my skin crawl

I'm often like this though. When I'm uncertain on things I like clarity. I tend to speculate. Is any of what I said particularly wrong?

[MalcolmTucker]

Luke seems town so far on their play. Didn't like BCG but suppose it's possible they largely just got disengaged given the replace out.

[Lukewarm]

Am interested in more info on enchants claim too. Has he said more then what is in that post?

Yes.

My role is also doubled.

In your thing it says "no action," does that mean you did not act or that you have not revealed your results?

Because if you are one of the claimed invests (Tracker, Follower, Rolecop, Voyeur) I don't get why you would not have acted yet.

[Enchant]

no action means no action

[Lukewarm]

How does that test Marci?

I believe she’s that role regardless of her alignment?

And if she was on Pooky as I explained to Titus

I would have gotten
1 killing action
1 protective
1 investigative

So then Pooky is just the elim that day
Saving Pooky doesn’t help scum there.

We get the same result.

I don't think that that is the same result for the scum team, because while it only saves pooky for a single day phase, it shields all other members of the scum team for this day as well --- so my point is that if she was scum, she would have saved pooky anyways. and since he was not saved by a doc, confirming her as a doc would make her more likely today.

Also, if she saw a loyal body guard claim saying that they were going to be on him as well, might think that this could provide a false clear on pooky since he would be saved, and the bodyguard might think that he was the one that did it.

Seeing this post, I am realizing that it would result in an unexpected invest on pooky that night, but like, I think that you still might go for it instead of just letting pooky die?

[Enchant]

It was expected result.
Math specifically told that he will be on Pooky.


So there's no reason why mafia would't just shot Math and heal Pooky if Marci is mafia. Unless Marci and Math both scum. But then it's illogical for them to bus Pooky if they can just... not?

[MathBlade]

How does that test Marci?

I believe she’s that role regardless of her alignment?

And if she was on Pooky as I explained to Titus

I would have gotten
1 killing action
1 protective
1 investigative

So then Pooky is just the elim that day
Saving Pooky doesn’t help scum there.

We get the same result.

I don't think that that is the same result for the scum team, because while it only saves pooky for a single day phase, it shields all other members of the scum team for this day as well --- so my point is that if she was scum, she would have saved pooky anyways. and since he was not saved by a doc, confirming her as a doc would make her more likely today.

Also, if she saw a loyal body guard claim saying that they were going to be on him as well, might think that this could provide a false clear on pooky since he would be saved, and the bodyguard might think that he was the one that did it.

Seeing this post, I am realizing that it would result in an unexpected invest on pooky that night, but like, I think that you still might go for it instead of just letting pooky die?

Except it wouldn’t be a guilty on BGC though

Because of their claims (BG and vig)

If an additional action occurs and no one claimed it then I’d me more convinced BGC was being framed.

Town would have no reason to invest there (because of many many times not to visit) and scum would learn nothing.

It’d make me look for a combined protective investigative.

[MathBlade]

It was expected result.
Math specifically told that he will be on Pooky.


So there's no reason why mafia would't just shot Math and heal Pooky if Marci is mafia. Unless Marci and Math both scum. But then it's illogical for them to bus Pooky if they can just... not?

Correct. If I am scum here (which I am not) then wasting effort defending Pooky there would be capital best spent otherwise. Enchant is correct here in what I would do as scum which makes me think he’s trying to sort me which makes me think he is town.

[MathBlade]

How does that test Marci?

I believe she’s that role regardless of her alignment?

And if she was on Pooky as I explained to Titus

I would have gotten
1 killing action
1 protective
1 investigative

So then Pooky is just the elim that day
Saving Pooky doesn’t help scum there.

We get the same result.

I don't think that that is the same result for the scum team, because while it only saves pooky for a single day phase, it shields all other members of the scum team for this day as well --- so my point is that if she was scum, she would have saved pooky anyways. and since he was not saved by a doc, confirming her as a doc would make her more likely today.

Also, if she saw a loyal body guard claim saying that they were going to be on him as well, might think that this could provide a false clear on pooky since he would be saved, and the bodyguard might think that he was the one that did it.

Seeing this post, I am realizing that it would result in an unexpected invest on pooky that night, but like, I think that you still might go for it instead of just letting pooky die?

Except it wouldn’t be a guilty on BGC though

Because of their claims (BG and vig)

If an additional action occurs and no one claimed it then I’d me more convinced BGC was being framed.

Town would have no reason to invest there (because of many many times not to visit) and scum would learn nothing.

It’d make me look for a combined protective investigative.

Furthermore it would not provide a false clear on Pooky.

Disloyal killing action arrived at Pooky << This is a fact to me.
Whether or not Pooky lives or dies or not if I get that that person is opposite alignment to NM. NM is confirmed town due to vig. Ergo Pooky = scum to me and I never ever relent.

[Toogeloo]

VOTE: MariaR

[Lukewarm]

Okay, I read through Pooky's iso, and my feeling was that he is not partnered with Marci or Toog (Or Frog or greeting, but I saw that they flipped already lol).

Marci because it was his opening push on Day 2

I am currently voting for Marci cuz she isn't reacting like she does when she's town. Her responses are too nonchalant like she is trying to play things cool.

This is probably the most put together reason behind any of his votes other then greeeting/Alisae day 1 and then Frog end of day 2, and there was steady suspicion on Marci during day 1, into opening up pushing her.

With Toog, his interactions look more like pocketing attempts then partner interactions.

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I was surprised by Pooky's town case on Math with 1460 and (more detailed) 1626

lol mathblade town for the nonstop spam

This is a weird place and reason for pooky to drop this town read because we just walked out of a game where math repped in as scum, spammed the shit out of the game, and pooky was screaming for his head. This seems like an easy place for pooky to claim it as "this is Math in Lost 2.0"

I saw that he was run up day 2, so gonna try to look over that build up / break down.

[marcistar]

so whatd u decide bestie

[Lukewarm]

so whatd u decide bestie

That was not a going to right now, that was going to next time I get a moment.

Life has been busy last few days, and if I had known I probably would not have joined, but :shrug:

Looking back now actually. Who do you think it is?

[Not_Mafia]

Is BCG slot not eliminated yet?

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

vote count 3.4 !

Lukewarm (2):

MalcolmTucker, Titus

Big Chungus Gaming (2):

Not_Mafia, MariaR

Enchant (1):

Big Chungus Gaming

MariaR (1):

Toogeloo

not voting (5):

Enchant, Lukewarm, marcistar, MathBlade, Cape90

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to blow someone up. day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-11-02 20:38:11)

modorator notes

• still replacing big chungus gaming

[Lukewarm]

Only got through part of the day, did not even get to the pooky wagon yet, but I am kinda at (unsorted within tiers)

Town
Not_Mafia

Town Lean
Toogeloo
MathBlade
marcistar

Null:Town
MariaR

Null
Enchant

scum lean
MalcolmTucker
Cape90
Titus
Big Chungus Gaming

Cape and Malcolm not together.

Spoiler: Luke's thoughts

VOTE: frog

ok just policy this

OMGUS amogus.

You:
1) scum flailed
2) trolled in a disruptive way
3) made weird votes
4) were opportunistic
5) gave me bad vibes

I feel like this from Kitty is spot on regarding BCG but then gives us the classic scenario of "would BCG be so obvious as to eliminate Kitty here?" It's giving me pause on the slot at least.

I feel like this from Kitty is spot on regarding BCG but then gives us the classic scenario of "would BCG be so obvious as to eliminate Kitty here?" It's giving me pause on the slot at least.

Don't like this. IIoA in passive defense of BGC.

I don't think it's passive at all. I'm known for a player who frustratingly and regularly pauses when it comes to reading others at times. I'm still running through the thread since I'd been gone but I'm genuinely intrigued to know what you think - Kitty outlines a pretty blatant, good case on BCG here, so I'm unsure if the kill is a bit obvious coming from scum, because eliminating someone who suspects you/has caught you is something scum are known for sometimes wanting to avoid.

Put it this way - I'm not sure you could read back posts from both me and BCG and see us as likely being paired.

I kinda hate this series of posts from Malcolm. First stating that Chungus would not kill Kitty night 1, because Kitty called him scum Day 1 which is pretty silly on its own, but when called out for it jumped to "but are we paired?" Which is a pretty wild place to jump to

I feel like this from Kitty is spot on regarding BCG but then gives us the classic scenario of "would BCG be so obvious as to eliminate Kitty here?" It's giving me pause on the slot at least.

Don't like this. IIoA in passive defense of BGC.

What's IIoA?

Information instead of analysis. MT doesn't say anything about what he thinks the night kill actually reflects, he just points out that it's a factor and leaves it hanging as some kind of implied counterpoint against Kitty's case being "spot on."

Pedit

I don't like him going after Charloux here either.

VOTE: Malcolm

I want Big Chungus dead D3 especially if this flips scum.

My gut reaction is also a bad one to these posts of Malcolm. 'We obviously aren't paired' makes me think 'we distanced really well' and I thought Malcolm was scum yesterday as well. However my other scumread was wrong. I may be in over my head here. Sometimes it's good to let the game play out a bit and the scummers will kind of sink to the bottom.

Anyway, I'll join you for now because I gotta be right on something

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

aye furtive saw it too

I hate Cape's 1269/1270 defense of Malcolm, acting like it is impossible for a town player to see Malcolm's comments as possibly suspicious

Spoiler:

I feel like this from Kitty is spot on regarding BCG but then gives us the classic scenario of "would BCG be so obvious as to eliminate Kitty here?" It's giving me pause on the slot at least.

Don't like this. IIoA in passive defense of BGC.

What's IIoA?

Information instead of analysis. MT doesn't say anything about what he thinks the night kill actually reflects, he just points out that it's a factor and leaves it hanging as some kind of implied counterpoint against Kitty's case being "spot on."

Pedit

I don't like him going after Charloux here either.

VOTE: Malcolm

I want Big Chungus dead D3 especially if this flips scum.

your voting malcolm after all that?

lol maybe you are just mafia

people are scumreading malcolm at this SOD of all SOD's he has easily had the towniest start so far to the day like ??????????

disappointed if one of frog/furtive are town

and i think at least 1 is

[/spoil/er]

Which, I thought his entrance day 2 was suspicious (and both people he called out are conf. town too)

And then just later Malcolm takes furtive's joke post 1279 seriously, and frames it as scummy

immediately begins to sort of bargain with other players wanting to vote from them

Which is then mirrored by Cape

In post 1279, furtiveglance wrote:
Please don't do this. I can move my vote. I can change!


This response to me felt weird, like are you TMIing me as town?

During this time, I saw them both lightly defending Pooky, but did not grab those quotes.


I don't like either of their positioning here, but also don't think that they are ever scum together.

Struggling to figure out which I think is more likely, because I hated Malcolm's posting start of day, but Cape's posting came after which makes more sense if he is mirroring Malcolm.

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MariaR's 1307 does not feel like something you say about a partner

I found myself nodding along to Math's 1394 about Titus, and then in the next several titus posts she just seems to be shit stirring with Mathblade, not actually trying to sort him.

I liked marci's 1435

Marci accused me of going for an easy read in Maria but I'd argue I put out a reasonable and logical town defence of STD who was accumulating a fair few scumreads at the time.

I may be reading this wrong, but it feels like he is saying "Marci scum read me for having an easy scum read, but ignored the town read I dropped on STD" which is a weird defense. because having a good town read has little influence on having a bad scum read? Like town reads are easier for scum lol. It also feels like it implies that if he was scum, he would have just scum read STD, which ignores the possibility that STD slot could be scum. Feels like it preflipped my slot town, or tmi'ed it that way.

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I hit a BCG check in, and was uninspired (wanted to kill my slot lmao) -- I also saw someone say that it was Koba, and I am used to Koba being way more invested in solving. Like actually yelling at us for killing scum too fast, because he wasn't able to scum hunt as thoroughly as he wanted to lol

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[Lukewarm]

Might be down to kill BCG just because its lower down, and the slot is not getting replaced x.x

[Titus]

I'm going to be slow to respond until tmo afternoon. Hopefully brief medical issue.

[Cape90]

I think there was certainly a towny self-confidence that comes from Malcolm posts like

I don't think it's passive at all. I'm known for a player who frustratingly and regularly pauses when it comes to reading others at times. I'm still running through the thread since I'd been gone but I'm genuinely intrigued to know what you think - Kitty outlines a pretty blatant, good case on BCG here, so I'm unsure if the kill is a bit obvious coming from scum, because eliminating someone who suspects you/has caught you is something scum are known for sometimes wanting to avoid.

That I just thought looked towny when they were catching up. Frankly, I was being a bit lazy and starting to get dissociative with this game since the slower pace was kind of just making me less invested when things slowed way down

I do express concern for what this post

this is obnoxious frogster but not with the passion that you feel from town obnoxious frogster

this is someone trying to desperately push someone off fosing their slot and not wanting to use a nightkill on them because crescent was probably an assigned mislim bc of her lowposting and flaking


frog if you are town and playing like this, im disappointed and I cannot say I did not try to extend several olive branches to understand you. i read your posts, I calculated scenarios, and the scenarios where you are mafia are the most likely. if you are town you can reduce that by actaully coming clean about why your thought process is the way it is. otherwise I am sticking to my guts and sticking here.

I'm not really sure why Frogster accuses BCG of being a troll to try and deflect attention away from themselves by BCG instead of just...normally scumreading BCG. The logic here feels like a bit of a reach. BCG has attracted plenty of suspicion so far and isn't exactly an outsider choice scumread, Frogster making up a convoluted reason to suspect and vote for them as scum themselves seems pretty unlikely to me. Approaching it from this POV I think Frogster is probably just town who suspects BCG and genuinely dislikes their play.

Means for BCG, also the read on Frogster is something that looks a lot more scummy with the knowledge of Frogsterking being town.

@Mod :

I unvoted std, and didn't vote for malcolm

I only have 2 townreads right now and that's Frog and cape. Had a townread on fennec/furtive but it's been kinda fading over time. Not a fan of furtive so far.

My only scum read is Malcolm, and std by extension to him. Malcolm is on V/LA so no point in pushing him.

Maria, Pooky and Gamma/NM i will let be for today.

I'm up for a policy execution on BCG and toog. Toog turned his brain off and is just parroting. Hate BCG whole "Higher than thou" and "can't touch me" attitude following Gamma ban. His exe would bring the game some peace.

Titus, Greeting, Enchant, Kitty and Marci are null. I admit i haven't been paying much attention to Kitty and Greeting.
The priority right now should be me getting a read on Greeting, but the chance of me getting a townread strong enough that i refuse to vote is slim at best.
If i noticed anything scummy at a glance they wouldn't be null right now.

This feels really weak and scummy, almost blatantly so to a degree that's comical. One scumread on someone who was inactive, up for policy eliminations for pretty flimsy reasons in Toog's case especially and not much content in general despite being a lengthy post.

This response to a slot I think is town at this point seems really shady, I mean MathBlade probably became really obvious town when they got here.

There was also the fuel of me scumreading furtiveglance

Sidenote: One of the reasons why I don't play on here is this shit that happens in MS games, the fucking like 9 substitutions this game? Are we serious? Like even Toog with their day 1 gameplay could avoid this. It's just bad for the gamestate, hate to say it, and I never wanted to bring this up, but it sure is annoying. It makes me not even wanna try

[MathBlade]

I claim infinite shot hug deployed and deploy them all on Titus.

Will also be slow to respond work fires.

[Cape90]

Agreed on Fennec, also feel Cape/Frog look town. Much of the posting feels TvT so far.

Don't particularly understand all the early attention or the scumreads on Cape.

Nero has looked a bit more defensive but too early for anything on the level of a proper scumread on the slot so far.

I like Fennec's approach so far, they seem open and townie.

Whether for the reasons presented or not so far I think Maria looks quite scummy here. There's a cagey defensiveness to some of their posts after being accused which vibes with me as scum trying to clear their name but not wanting to look overly desperate but panicky while doing so.

I think Fennec vs Frog is TvT. Fennec very much feels like they're thinking out loud in the thread in a townie way, while I find Frog's play can be quite erratic but engaged when they are town. I'm not particularly seeing strong scum motivation from either of them at the moment.

I've been trying to think of if there's a worldview where Frog is just a villa who is wrong but I can't get over the fact they just made up a worldview that never existed to begin with, and acted like they had this grand bait scheme. (didn't happen)

MT needs to have more votes on them, just look at that iso and tell me that's a villager mindset and not someone just watching from the sides taking shots posting busywork. It's such an obvious wolf iso

This is a lazy post and feels like an attempt to shift attention away from their Frogster read which clearly wasn't happening onto me. I've been relatively low activity so far but "watching from the sides taking shots" doesn't make sense, either I am watching from the sides and doing nothing or I am taking shots and committing to reads. Can't be both.

I'm more confident on MT being wolf than Frog so I'd go MT>Frog after my flip. Glad to see I still got it on the "no one can read my slot" after a year away heh.

Again really not seeing why Maria is "confident" in me being scum and probably teammates with Frogster at a point when I'd made a handful of posts, a light scumread is fine if you so wish, anyone saying they are confident of scum who's made a dozen or so posts feels like they're making it up aside from the odd genial read.

I'm getting really bad vibes from Big Chungus Gaming, like the slot they replaced is a scum slot under pressure and they're flailing, I'll finish my catchup to vote atl.

I agree with Kitty's read here, BCG's posts have felt pretty trolly so far but not in a particularly natural or relaxed way, like they want to avoid posting content of note while using a more comedic tone to hide behind that.

Also mariar is one of the best players of this game so the fact we have scumreads that align is a sign i think she is town between frog/maria

One of Maria/BCG seems likely, probably not paired. A world where BCG relies on town Maria being killed to them attempt to gain town-cred here seems possible.

MT I'd like to hear your thoughts on Dragons now that you're almost caught up.

Not sure I'm seeing STD scum to be honest. They'd not contributed a lot but it can happen as town, especially in large games if things get busy. Their early posts were sparse but I'd argue there's genuine reads/content there. Their response to you felt a bit over the top but quite genuine as well - do you not think inactive scum would at least want to make an attempt to get you onside?

I found it slightly surprising you went for that vote actually when catching up (albeit I skimmed some pages) because it felt a bit out of nowhere as a confident read given STD's relative inactivity. I don't think it's coming from you as scum though, just an area of disagreement.

On STD, the big rant against Frogster does deflect a bit...but I feel like STD has typically been much calmer/less confrontational when I've correctly accused them of being scum previously? Or more hedgy at least. It's making me lean more to frustrated town here. Scum want to win sceptic townies over and I don't feel like their responses to Frogster come with that intention.

FAO Math - as a sample I'd argue all of this demonstrates a pretty clear pattern of me having views on the gamestate and opinions on who is likely to be town/scum.

Marci accused me of going for an easy read in Maria but I'd argue I put out a reasonable and logical town defence of STD who was accumulating a fair few scumreads at the time.

Posts like some of the ones Malcolm pulled up here also just seemed fine to me