Open 857 | Frienemies | Postgame

[Enchant]

Yo what's up.

VOTE: Malakittens

[Enchant]

VOTE: Malakittens

[Enchant]

It's typo, i am GEORGEBAILEY.

[Enchant]

Why don't punch Datisi, who simple looking while i hammering then?

Or SS for silently putting on E-1?

Or everyone else for voting carelessly?

I gonna punish that.

[Enchant]

Yes it's disguised why me, i just speedrunning all scumtells in one game

[Enchant]

you're the person who hammered.

And? If two people hold your hands, while third prepares to impale you with spear, will you be pissed off only on person with spear, or all three?

I literally don't understand why i receive all blame. Maybe because Datisi is maf and i am town, so you try so hard to push me instead?

[Enchant]

did you hammer intentionally yes or no?

What stupid question? I hammered twice.

[Enchant]

And? If two people hold your hands, while third prepares to impale you with spear, will you be pissed off only on person with spear, or all three?

There is a difference between.

Voting to pressure someone to get them to talk.

Voting someone because you think they are mafia.

Voting someone because you think they are a good flip for information.


You replaced into the game and immediately hammered - so you weren't voting Mala to get her to talk[since you killed her]

You weren't voting her because you think she's mafia, because you literally just replaced into the game so I dunno why you would think she's mafia atp or not want to talk.

I don't think you'd think she's a good "flip for information" because I don't see what information you would have to begin with after just replacing into the game.

So my two options are:

You're mafia who doesn't give a shit

or you're town who is playing scumside.

and I'm honestly fine killing you either way because you clearly don't give a fuck about playing in a way that is conducive to helping us win.

Who you will kill next?

[Enchant]

did you hammer intentionally yes or no?

What stupid question? I hammered twice.

so it was intentional for you

you walked in, decided to hammer Mala

and then you hammered her.

so there's no blame for other people who put her at e-1.

it's not like you accidentally did it.

Let's be honest here.

You trying to act like paladin, because Mala flipped town.
I also would't hammer if i think Mala flipped town.


If Mala was blatant townie (which i didn't see btw), why you all voted her at first place?

[Enchant]

I bothered to think, i applied to replace like 8 hours (maybe even more) before replacement announced.

I also knew George suspected, and didn't want to go before Mala.

[Enchant]

You want to say I made wrong choice by hammering?

Well yes. How i am supposed to know it was wrong choice at first place? Or i really need explain every yawn i make? Why in the hell?

[Enchant]

I literally don't understand why i receive all blame. Maybe because Datisi is maf and i am town, so you try so hard to push me instead?

hm?

Why you didn't unvote?

[Enchant]

I literally don't understand why i receive all blame. Maybe because Datisi is maf and i am town, so you try so hard to push me instead?

hm?

Why you didn't unvote?

unvote when?

When my initial hammer failed.

[Enchant]

he's saying you should've unvoted when catboi announced the replacement b4 he got a chance to quickhammer mala for the second time back when catboi originally announced the replacement as enchant replacing mala

its the most bullshit fucking thing he's said so far

Datisi wanted Mala to die, which is perfectly acceptable.

[Enchant]

When my initial hammer failed.

you are a person with responsibility and agency in the game.

it is not the responsibility of every other player in the game to keep wagons from being on E-1 just to stop you from compulsively quickhammering everything in sight,

PFffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

AHAHHAHAHAAHAH

[Enchant]

You vote to kill ppl, stop using it for something else at then being mad when people who you voted TO KILL THEM ACTUALLY DIE

[Enchant]

i don't remember what i was doing at the time. i just saw catboi announce the replacement of mala with enchant, and enchant voting mala, which was ???. so i didn't also process that it's a hammer.

unsure if i would've unvoted even if i did, though.

Do you think it was mistake to hammer Mala, if you throw out knowing flip?

Because i don't think so.

[Enchant]

I bothered to think

, i applied to replace like 8 hours (maybe even more) before replacement announced.

okay, so why have you not yet outed any of these thoughts you apparently had since replacing in? did they change in any way after the night?

Yes they obviously changed after Mala died.

[Enchant]

I thought Mala maf.

Now it's supposedly wrong.

[Enchant]

Yes.

[Enchant]

enchant could be a revealed IC and I would not believe a single read he had

You want to say killing Mala is my sole decision alone?

You still trying to pin all blame on me. Nah.

VOTE: Ari

[Enchant]

I regret nothing, i made good choice, because i could die instead of Mala and i am obviously more town.

I (and everyone else) just was wrong.

[Enchant]

Go ahead.

[Enchant]

Enchant.

I am town.

I think you are likely town


I AM STILL VOTING TO KILL YOU BECAUSE I ABSOLUTELY WANT YOU OUT OF THE GAME THAT IS HOW MUCH I HATE THE WAY YOU PLAY

D'aww you think i am town, WELL MAYBE YOU VOTE REAL MAFIA THEN? OR ATLEAST SAY WHO YOU THINK IS IT?

Oh right, you are so stuck, you hoping to die at night. Not gonna blame you for that, mafia is hard.

[Enchant]

see that's me being toxic and spiteful because I believe you care 0% about the outcome of this game, about finding mafia, and about winning.


I honestly believe if you survive to elo you will be a liability - either as a mislim for the mafia or as someone who will vote incorrectly.

I have absolutely no faith that you will flip scum - I actually think it's quite likely you do not flip scum

what I do have certainty in is that you will not

try

to play to win condition because you simply do not care about winning.

KILLING SCUMMY PEOPLE IS PLAYING FOR WIN CONDITION.

[Enchant]

D'aww you think i am town, WELL MAYBE YOU VOTE REAL MAFIA THEN? OR ATLEAST SAY WHO YOU THINK IS IT?

Oh right, you are so stuck, you hoping to die at night. Not gonna blame you for that, mafia is hard.

i dunno we were doing fine before you replaced in

I tell you something.

But looking at situation there was two futures.

First: Mala die anyway. She was Town. Still Mistake.
Second: GeorgeBailey die instead. Obviously bad.

Maybe something would change, but i didn't really believe. You would just push me for "I hate Enchant" like you do in all games, and i can do jackshit with this.

[Enchant]

Excuse me.

I’m not dying today or any day.

I’m going to reread the thread now with a scum penguin in mind tho.

[Enchant]

I don't even remember what Lake Melancholy is.

[Enchant]

Excuse me.

I’m not dying today or any day.

I’m going to reread the thread now with a scum penguin in mind tho.

is this your only reason for thinking she is scum?

Honestly now it's falther off. I can't think about scummy posts when i know person made them as town.

Quoted post is main reason i decided to act though.

[Enchant]

I take rest, if i am somehow not hammered, we see what we can do.

[Enchant]

it really annoys me that you quickhammered mala because I am fairly confident I can figure out what mala's alignment is if she is pressured and has a chance to post.

you quickhammering her with like a week on the deadline when she was literally too busy with rl to actually play the game basically burned a mislim for no reason at all.

IN A GAME WHERE YOU JUST REPLACED INTO

You just make me so angry that I can barely see straight.

I really do not like losing I am very competitive this is so infuriating for me that you just don't give a fuck

Game is filled of lost opportonities and regrets.

For me, it's hammering again. I had felling that mod rejecting my vote is probably sign that maybe, it's not way. That i should stop.
I didn't stop, and we all paying for it.

[Enchant]

I don't think you pay

I don't think you even care

I paying a bit less.

I am more toughskinned. Either way, too late for regrets. I had them for nights, and kinda already calmed down.

You should throw them away as well, otherwise you turn in hate incarnation and explode.

[Enchant]

I think we need to change tactics for a bit and search for town instead.

[Enchant]

Gamma Emerald could not find the light on Night 2.

He was a...

Spoiler:

town mason

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@Catboi You flipped Gamma as town mason, but in first post of game, Gamma listed as VT.

Can you correct which one is?

[Enchant]

It's not like scum have mystical divining abilities, they have the same information we do.

bruh

[Enchant]

i know trying to get reads from enchant is often a fool's errand, but i think the difference here is that enchant themselves alluded to having reads and thinking about the game. so the fact that they're kind of... unable to actually reproduce any of those reads is lowkey concerning.

like, enchant doing nothing would be whatever. enchant doing things would be weird, but also nice. but enchant going "i had reads! we should look for towns!" etc., and then straight up not doing that feels odd

when i say that enchant's fooled me before based on tone/wim, i'm mostly thinking about that weird guardians of the fortress knockoff game that implo modded. should i give it another look? yes. am i lazy and will i therefore not do that right now and instead just ask implo what he thinks? also yes.

implo, what do you think?

Why you think i am not doing.

I actually brainstorming, just not flexing about it.

Right now think Ari is likely town.

[Enchant]

Why you think i am not doing.

because you did not post anything to indicate that you're actually thinking about this game? and because when asked what reads you made in the 8 hours prior to your rep-in, you had one (1) read based on one (1) post?

I AM SLOW OKAY?

[Enchant]

Like i can't ask teammate for belivable fakereads or use random.org of course

[Enchant]

I mean it's incredible NAI for me.

[Enchant]

Right now think Ari is likely town.

ari hasn't posted between this post and your previous post, so i'm assuming you were townreading her then too, but you're still voting her

I am still voting as you see.

[Enchant]

i wouldn't have a problem with enchant going "ye i lolhammered bc i felt like it lmao"

i wouldn't have a problem with enchant actually Doing Things in this game

but this weird half-and-half comes across as fake to me

But first is exactly concerning, i never did that for whole mafia carrier.

[Enchant]

Hm Andante town too seems.

[Enchant]

hutmeil too.

Well GG i guess, i taking break.

VOTE: Datisi

[Enchant]

Actually

VOTE: fire

[Enchant]

Hm Andante town too seems.

hutmeil too.

can we blease get some elaboration with that

Andante posting makes me want to choke her. It's mostly when she town.

Obviously I WANT ANDANTE TO COME HERE AND TALK ABOUT THIS GAEM.


hutmel... Idk i managed to forgot after sleep, but there's something important in iso.

[Enchant]

Looked again and remembered.

Yep hutmel town. Simple feel so.

[Enchant]

the alternative which allows me not to have to die is that we just flip scum today and tomorrow so let's do that :>

i think its enchant, probably with andante, and i regret not pushing harder for george yesterday, got too caught up in looking at a full team solve

VOTE: Enchant

Oh no OMGUS

[Enchant]

Fire is maf, cuz blatantly trying to save ass, not elim maf.

While others gived more reasonable... Reasons to even suspect me, it's simple "Bah Enchant maf".

[Enchant]

Sure

[Enchant]

oh god now that the wagon I've always wanted is within reach I am getting cold feet

I am awful at this game ;_;

Wear socks

[Enchant]

so um does anyone want to talk me into or out of a fire vote rn?

Yes

[Enchant]

so um does anyone want to talk me into or out of a fire vote rn?

Yes

ok why do you want to elim fire?

Because fire is mafia duh

[Enchant]

I don't think you really need to worry about me linking you to her if she's town because if I force her to flip today and she flips town then like obviously all of this is invalid so there's really no point for you to argue this?

there's a possibility you're scum arguing this

that post isn't as scummy as i first thought, but still

if she is town, maybe we don't have to flip her

if she is scum, i wanna get to the correct conclusion myself too

i don't think "you don't need to argue this" is ever correct there

well I'm not talking about "arguing about whether Andante is scum"

I'm talking about you saying that scum!you wouldn't defend scum!her this way.

Like if she is town, then it's not really important because my whole theory falls apart if she flips town.

If you want to make a case for why she's town, feel free to do that.

Also you should know I'm not scum because like scum!me just takes the easy fire elim right in front of me

Unless you are team.

[Enchant]

Waiting 6 days to finally elim Fire (or being killed instead), beautiful.

[Enchant]

What i miss?

[Enchant]

mostly bc i don't think ss+andante are paired and i think everyone else is town

i do think their activity and like... presence is not what i would expect from them as scum, so idk. but it's also not what id expect from them as town

Enchant alignment

[Enchant]

Why it's Andante.

[Enchant]

Cuz Fire is maf.

[Enchant]

why is fire maf

Cuz everyone else more likely not mafs.

[Enchant]

could you tell me why you think everyone else is townier?

Your trial expired, answer my question to perform payment.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Andante

Okay

[Enchant]

Andante

Aristeia

Datisi
fireisredsir
Enchant

hutmeil

implosion
Save The Dragons
Something_Smart

I striked ppl i think town.

Fire is just worse of everyone else. He is WEAKEST LINK.

[Enchant]

Fire is just worse of everyone else.

...why is he worse?

My opinion.

[Enchant]

why do i even bother

Because i am town and you need my vote?

[Enchant]

That's my way of expressing my love, if i thought you are scum i would wait before you are at E-1 and ass you instantly.

Love ya

[Enchant]

i may be about to say something stupid, but

i'm kinda starting to think andante really is scum here

VOTE: andante

Hypocrite moment

[Enchant]

Why would't you.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Datisi

[Enchant]

VOTE: Datisi

if i were to ask why, am i actually gonna get a normal response?

Yes

[Enchant]

With cake day, Aris.

[Enchant]

okay

why

You pushing only ppl i think is town.

[Enchant]

I will be blunt, if mafia didn't deduce masons already, they are ultranoncompetent.

[Enchant]

I mean, the ENTIRE conversation is "Andante maf" no one is considering literally anyone else. I'm trying my best here, and if my best results in all yall going "andante lock scum" it's just like, what's the freaking point of me trying?

FIGHT FOR THE END. RAWR

[Enchant]

*ultrayawn*

Let's speedlim Fire/Datisi and call it day.

[Enchant]

no u

[Enchant]

Wha you think about STD

[Enchant]

STD always rides on lurktownread and then SUDDENLY wins, i even forgot STD here.

[Enchant]

Hammer or No...
What a question.

[Enchant]

Unpopular opinion.

BOTH Fire and Andante is Town somehow...?

[Enchant]

Either way, fire!Mafia have no reason to not hammer really.

[Enchant]

Mmm.

Yeah?

[Enchant]

If you knew how i tempted to hammer Andante juuuuuuuuust now.

[Enchant]

But there's feel i regret that.

[Enchant]

So what now.

Aris ultrapocketed by datisi.

[Enchant]

I am running in circles at this point.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Andante

I will regret this i am?

[Enchant]

VOTE: Fire

Nah, just nah.

[Enchant]

You know you dying next anyway right?

[Enchant]

If Datisi maf, and you are not, you get curbstomped basically.

[Enchant]

Let's just admit that game is bet on one of us being mafia and otherwise town lost.

So gg i guess.

[Enchant]

It doesh't need explaining.

[Enchant]

i disagree with disagree

[Enchant]

What?

WHO ELSE IS MAFIA THEN?
YOU?

Either way, fucking look.

There's 7 ppls.
2 are masons. Uhum.

I exclude myself as well. Yes i claiming VT, like it was not obvious to everyone. It's like 3 conftown already (FROM MY POV).

For win i need find another VT and persuade everyone else to not decapitate both of us. That's ALL. I had right idea that it could be Andante BUT NO, we starting hesitating, which made me question things that maybe fucking i am wrong. WE SHOULD KILLED FIRE AND IT'S INSTAWIN REGARDLESS IF HE TOWN OR NOT. I RUINED EVERYTHING.
... Again. I blame everyone else anyway. My ego can't afford blaming self all time.


Literally just came from game (TERMINATOR) with same conftown balance (i don't know who masons here though), and it's complete different, i am incredeble pissed off that i hammered Andante and all that's because instead of lemoning fire instantly like we supposed to do AGES ago, we started OH MAYBE IT'S ANDANTE with strange dodgeball. If we played it more singleminded and limmed fire, we could win already! Literally, what we doing?

Just kill Fire with Fire or if you have questions WHY ENCHANT IS NOT SCUM then bash them at me away, not make some bullshit like "idk maybe enchant" without real context.


Also masons, for mafia it's blatant who you are anyway at this point, so you can as well CLAIM, so you don't get CCed by mafia on elo and lose hilariously. I am not forcing though. Yep.

[Enchant]

Fire is teamed.

Otherwise i don't fucking know how we elimmed Andante instead.

[Enchant]

Fun fact:
If you can say "I would't do it as mafia", then you know you won't do something as mafia.
And knowing you would't do it, you can decide to do it. And then point you would't do it as mafia.

Easily.

So Datisi claims are doing opposite for me, stop even making them.



Fun fact, i writed more but rereaded and decided to delete it off. Either way my mind:

fire IS teamed with someone. I am not going to speculate if he is mason or mafia or who exactly (i bet on maf), but i feel someone throwed suspiciouns off them. I can as well point at everyone who doubted it's Fire. If he is VT somehow, i fucking die.
Aris is mindcontrolled by Datisi, so i doubt he makes this kill actually. Unless he wants to throw everyone off. Aris would easily go to decapitate me if prompted by Datisi as well as at Fire. Ez win for Datisi if we both town, if datisi+fire, then well maybe it makes sense. Datisi also blatantly not mason. Of course he then claims mason, because i am always wrong, i am? Either way i don't think he is teamed.
STD, hutmeil and implosion. If Datisi is VT and i am right on Fire!Maf, then there's literally 2 Masons, 1 Mafia. Why masons still didn't claim? Fuck you that's why. I am not going to search even, it's your problem.


So you can claim/not claim/etc just kill Fire and go beep beep on remaining mafia. Should't be that hard.

[Enchant]

I forgot about Something_Smart existance, so prob it doesh't make sense.

Write him up in STD/Hutmail/implosion list and remake it as 2 Masons, 1 Mafia, 1 VT. Didn't really matter.

[Enchant]

I ignoring this game on purpose btw.

[Enchant]

Idk

Like i see, nothing fundamentally changed, i want to say something, but can't even say something not "Fire is still alive?"

Like eh... That's for whole day.

Either way, ask me something, i am bad at socialising.

[Enchant]

the day's been going on for like 4 irl days and i feel like we're at the exact same spot we were when it first started

not exactly the same, enchant is town now

which is p huge actually

Why i am town for you?
I kinda trying to kill you.

[Enchant]

I will be blunt, i have feeling STD is Mason.

[Enchant]

3 days and we still stuck

[Enchant]

Are Fire+Datisi both town is insane theory?

[Enchant]

And once town?

[Enchant]

If town, flip Looker.

Fine!

VOTE: Looker

[Enchant]

Are you embracing chaos again

You said to kill you if i am town.

Like ONLY ONLY scumteam you see is Me+SS? Nah.

[Enchant]

Spoiler:

Indirect VT claim

• Datisi
  
• Enchant
  
• Fireisred

Dat-Wagon

• implosion
  
• hutmeil
  
• Fireisred

Something_Smart's do not touch (Pot'l Masons)

• implosion
  
• Something_Smart
  
• hutmeil
  
• Looker

Universal town read?

• hutmeil

Alcoholic

• Liquor
  Looker

It makes more sense for Enchant to be in the running than implo if SS's aim was to shield the unclaimed. I expected Datisi to die either way, but was honoring the time given me to place a vote. I don't think Datisi's going to flip wolf.

I am dumbo and don't understand what it means.

[Enchant]

12 hours folks

Get to the point.
You want vote WHO? I asking everyone.

[Enchant]

Because i asked myself i also answer.

Cuz there's 3 pseudoVT claims (Looker/Datisi/fire)+Me, i think Looker is not bad decision.

[Enchant]

He did by trying to push me for claiming VT.

It's dumbass idea for Mason.

[Enchant]

Wait it's actually dumbass idea regardless, but you get the point.

[Enchant]

Drama.

Annoying. I still don't get what point she trying to make.

[Enchant]

I have bad feeling about this.

[Enchant]

Should we make quickstep and vote SS?

[Enchant]

Pft.

You miss all chances you miss...
No wait.
You miss all chances ... Fuck it just.

VOTE: SS

It should't be too hard.

[Enchant]

I will be here for whole deadline, so...

[Enchant]

I ultradislike SS now.

[Enchant]

Fun fact:
If you can say "I would't do it as mafia", then you know you won't do something as mafia.
And knowing you would't do it, you can decide to do it. And then point you would't do it as mafia.

Easily.

So Datisi claims are doing opposite for me, stop even making them.

Why i am not competent

[Enchant]

Either mafia bussed or Looker is scum.

Otherwise there's simple not enough votes to kill Datisi.

[Enchant]

I don't know shit.

If fire is town!VT, then we should win.
So i think need to focus about this thing.


For example, why would fire+datisi just accept me as town and then let Datisi just die?

[Enchant]

As i said.

Game is won, As long as Fire is VT and i am not getting decapitated (which fairly can happen). There's no really need to find mafia, actually it's opposite. There's 2 VTs, 1 Mafia, 1 Mason not including me, finding VT is more likely than finding mafia at this point.

So let's throw towncases, decide on two VTs and if solve is right, win.


... Yes. I kinda have doubts about Fire.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Looker

Huehue

[Enchant]

... What difference?

[Enchant]

Can this mason already claim, because it's blatant fire is VT (or i am critically blind and fire playing me like fiddle), and if we wrongly lim another VT, mafia WILL know who are you... Like instantly?

Literally why the fuck, unless you think one of me/fire is mafia and can miss kill... Wait even then, why you not yelling at us already?

JUST
CLAIM
STOP
HIDING

[Enchant]

Aw shit, here we go again

[Enchant]

I'm questioning the point of claiming before e-1. Seems unnecessary.

Put Looker at E-1, if not claiming mason, off it away.


Looker at this point is liability, and i am not in mood explaining again and again obvious.

[Enchant]

On other hand, probably Looker is blatant mason and it's annoying me even more.

[Enchant]

So why you not voting someone

[Enchant]

VOTE: SS

Nah.

[Enchant]

Honestly waited before SS says something "Well you was wrong" or something, so i kinda persuaded he is mafia and we kinda won.

[Enchant]

Why you fear yolovote if you are almost out of danger being target of one?

From your POV, me/Looker must be mafia and voting each other is good.

[Enchant]

Wrong. If you predicted i want yolovote Looker, then i am not unpredictable.

Either way, if you have questions, ask.

[Enchant]

Btw from history, that's how Looker plays as mafia. And Town. Useless as both alignments.

So it's unlikely you get help in any case. I can provide game where i saw Looker!Mafia, but i need to remember which one it was.

[Enchant]

@fire, which game are you reading that's comparable to this one
@enchant, I've played too many to know which one you're talking about, but I don't think that's true. If anything, I'm not giving into the frustration of this obvious set-up.

Ugh, really can't name exactly name of game, but "Let's deduce PR and then don't kill them" is line in that mafia PT.

Game also ended in town win D2.

[Enchant]

STD was townreaded and i didn't understand why, so i presumed he is mason, because otherwise he would be pressurised atleast by real masons. But it seems STD just rided because because.


You was incredeble hard to kill for someone with zero approval (majority thinked you are mafia, but we still killed Andante), so i presumed someone delibately protects you. I also cleared Datisi for wrong reasons, so...

[Enchant]

I reread day where Andante got lemoned. I suggest you do as well.

Awesomly, i actually had "almost" everything right at that point.

VOTE: Looker
idk, it's obvious im never voting fire, so if you are mafia go hamham and gg.

[Enchant]

Of course it didn't make sense for you, because you already would knew who is it.

[Enchant]

I claimed VT, Fire didn't even pretend to be Mason.

[Enchant]

Cool.

Now hammer Looker.

[Enchant]

Wha you think about STD

still town

its possible im wrong on that ig but purely on play it's prob my strongest read. i thought vulture was town as well which adds to it

STD always rides on lurktownread and then SUDDENLY wins, i even forgot STD here.

he's just been busy while you were here. he was def not the way he usually plays scum earlier in the game. possible he just felt a burst of energy and was able to fake his townplay really well, but he did it really well if so

he also has a pretty solid excuse for not being super present at this moment

i still think andante is more likely to flip red here, but i wish i had the confidence to push it through

i think we should at least give std (and hutmeil >.>) a chance to be proper caught up with the current events

bruh

[Enchant]

Easily?

Like really, mafia makes town posts.
Town makes scummy posts.

It's mostly actions matters. Well my actions this game pretty shitty, i kinda jumped in game with hammer

[Enchant]

Datisi taked mostly neutral approach with me if you notice.

Idk if that's because i started blaming him for hammer, because he didn't unvote when i tried hammer. Twice.

[Enchant]

Reaction of who.

[Enchant]

But you did nothing even before.

[Enchant]

And you did nothing to stop me from voting you.

Sure thing.

[Enchant]

@Fire

[Enchant]

Don't even dare.

[Enchant]

idk?

[Enchant]

I also think you never vote me here, so.

Don't try to outsmart self.

[Enchant]

Really.

I don't want lose to Looker.
And you probably ALSO don't want to lose to Looker.

[Enchant]

AHAHAHAHHAHA I WIN AHAHHAHA

[Enchant]

Trolling failed.

Yeah, town win.

[Enchant]

Well it will take long time.

[Enchant]

Well, that's one player who's not welcome in any future games I run.

Oof

I guess it's about me.

Sad.

[Enchant]

I will hammer people, if i consider it winning strategy. Countermeasure is easy: Don't put people at E-1, unless you want them dead. Cmon, it's so easy.

If you dislike, you can of course ban me from your games, but rule "You are not allowed to hammer without getting everyone (included person who get hammered) allowance" is kinda dumb. Majority voted, so i already have allowance from half of game, no?


Ergo, you can't make mechanic like "AFTER HAMMER DAY INSTANTLY ENDS" and then ban people for using it. Well you can, you kinda mod and "God" of your games, but then i don't want to be in your games at first place, because you make mechanic and punish people for using it.

No offenses.

[Enchant]

Oh, so that's problem? Bruh.


Different mods seems to have different look at it, because before mod announced my replace WHEN they send role PM, so i could realise who i am and start posting instantly, or was not against it at first place.
Message "Don't post before i confirm your replace pls" would be also welcoming indeed.


It's indeed problem, and not with you, it's just happens that not always clear what to do after replacing, as mods acts differently. You didn't answer me for long time, and i presumed i already in game and you will never answer me (because again, that's how it was before).

But yeah, i apologise for just jumping with hammer, before announcement. Because i didn't knew about it. Previous post more about overall hammering.

[Enchant]

"players should not put someone at E-1 becaue I could replace into a game at any time" is not a remotely reasonable position to hold and shows you have absolutely no respect whatsoever for anyone else who plays the game.

If i was mafia, would it be fair game?
And why? It's also rude if yes.

[Enchant]

But yeah, i apologise for just jumping with hammer, before announcement. Because i didn't knew about it. Previous post more about overall hammering.

I don't think this is what catboi is saying. It's not (at least not primarily) about the fact that you posted before the replacement was announced. It's about you hammering one minute after the replacement was announced.

It's about site meta having norms around things like declaring intent and allowing a claim before hammering, etc. It's okay (arguably, but I think it's fine) to break those norms, by quickhammering. But in this game before you replaced in, no one had any reason to believe any of the players in the game would do that (in fact, the opposite, there was no one in the game likely to quickhammer) and so people might put someone at E-1 e.g. with the intent to force a claim. When you replace in and quickhammer before anyone has a chance to unvote after seeing that you, a quickhammering player, are in the game, it's essentially a cheap shot and kind of rude in a different way from just quickhammering in general.

You can say "I think it was playing to win", but it really doesn't look that way when you do it indiscriminately one minute after replacing in, presumably before reading anything about the game (though maybe you read the game in depth before replacing in - I don't know, but I sort of doubt it). It just looks like abusing a game mechanism to get a cheap laugh. I think I personally would be at least somewhat less miffed at you doing it as scum because there at least there's a clear justification of it being a mislim that you think you can get away with.

I did it even before. But these slots are mafia, so no one cared.
So moment is "You was wrong so you get blamed".

Anyone can replace in, and then just hammer. Just because. My reputation SHOULD'T lay forbiddence on me on my decisions. Even then, if mod FEARS it, again, announce "Enchant replaced, known shitler, waiting confirmation in PM". And it's done. I think it should be ideal to decide on one direct approach with replaces, so you don't need to adapt for every mod in different mood.

Why i need to wait or something, just because i am known to hammer? To not pissoff people who writed HOLY META? Bah, i don't care. If breaking meta helps me win, i break them. Stop being so serious about your holy meta, what i can say.


In any cases where i hammer, i really consider if it's worth risk and how likely it flip maf. It's just happens that I DON'T NEED WHOOPING 7 DAYS to make decision. I comed from fast paced games, for me 30 minutes is enough. You can say that i take too small time, but you can never blame me for this approach (expect BAH YOU NOT PLAYING HOW WE WANT BAAAAH, on which i don't care). Because it's my decision, on which i put reasonable time in my case. Sometimes i wrong, sometimes i am right. More often wrong though, but it's just me not being expireinced.
Not going hide, hammering is funny, but i love winning more, and i hate,

HATE

losing, especially if it's me for blame.

Imagine people will throw shit on you every time you was wrong in the game, just because you didn't took MUCH time as they expected. Insanity. Spare me.


And worst thing is people talking bad about me behind my back and then deleting it. If you want to say anything to me, you can so freely, or even in PM. Really, maybe it can be looking like not, but i am pretty sane person and can communicate.

Sorry for being salty, but i am pretty annoyed with this. Don't even talk shit about me behind my back and then say "You was shit but afterwards not so shitty, so okay you not banned", it's just not right. I made decision dammit, which was wrong. It's mafia.