Large normal 236 [Game over]

[DkKoba]

yeah I know you have no idea.

[DkKoba]

let's make a deal - we keep going thru the consensus PoE, and if we hit a green we can evaluate Dwlee is they are indeed town - deal?

[DkKoba]

Townlocks:
A50
Dwlee
Norwee

Hard town:
Cool Cookie
Quick
Mama Ru(moves up to locktown on ranny scumflip)

Probably town:(the tier where I think I could actually be wrong starts here - so when I die reeval from here downwards if we start approaching limlo)
Titus
GrandpaMo
Gamma Emerald
House(based on margot slot and the fact titus and house are townreading eachother, these 2 have good track records reading eachother)
Hakai

prob not town lol:
Ranny
charlemange
Andres


holy balls my poe is exactly 3 people lmao

if any of them are wrong teh game gets harder but hey

@dwlee how do you feel about this/what would u change if anything and why

[DkKoba]

also ranny is due for a prod, they haven't posted since d1.

and according to mama ru not even in the hood.

[DkKoba]

tbh at this point tho - we have a created a bar of towniness and we have exactly 3 players who aren't meeting that(imo) - and that's enough for me without needing input from them unless they town it up.

it would help town if those in the bottom 3 do actually share perspective - because if they do flip green they should be listened to the most as PoE'd townies are often the most accurate.

[DkKoba]

Who is town?

Almost50
Andresvmb
DkKoba
Dwlee99
Hakai
NorwegianBoyEE

Are all confirmed

GrandpaMo
House
LicketyQuickety
Nero Cain
Titus

Are Town Leans to me

I also had a TR on Wake, but Gamma didn't towntell as of yet, so I dunno where to put him to be honest

Leaves me with Cookie (who replaced Kop), Mama Ru (replaced Loftwing) & Rannygazoo for a PoE for today

@a50 can you talk to me about andres townread btw - I wanna hear your side here.

[DkKoba]

nothing charlamange has posted has been more than just feel good level posting to me and nero was very intent on discrediting norwee/I and really wanted to derail the kyouko wagon.

[DkKoba]

It's unfortunate they are not here to answer for their d1 play because it would be much easier to showcase nero scum if they were - as it would be a very awkward conversation for them to have to have the day after scum!kyouko flips.

[DkKoba]

t3 could be scum in a town!andres or town!neroslot world - t3 hasn't left scumrange left, more likley that andres is town here than nero though and i do not think both are town.

I genuinely think that scum ranny just played to bus all his teammates lol

[DkKoba]

When I asked you if I was Town, you didn't answer. Why not?

When did this happen? I feel like I've been pretty clear in thinking you're town though

how so?

[DkKoba]

I would vote Andres but there hasn't been a vote count and I don't want to run the vote up too high yet.

Are you playing intentionally or not?

How does one play unintentionally?

Someone pointed out earlier that you randomly go back and forth between being serious and being silly. (Can't be bothered to go back and find the source.)

It doesn't stick out to me any more than dance videos or cringeposting. It feels like some players are still in RVS, and Nero is one of them.

What makes the post so special to you?

oh yeah i lied about townreading andres i wanted to just see reactions to it lmao

Called it

Andres, I’ve read through and seen you complain about weak votes from Norwee and Titus, and people reading your meta wrong. Would it be fair to say you’ve been caught for the wrong reasons?

Andres, I’ve read through and seen you complain about weak votes from Norwee and Titus, and people reading your meta wrong.

Would it be fair to say you’ve been caught for the wrong reasons?

This looks weird to me, anyon eplayed with Ranny before? It feels like the classic "fairish" scumtell, also the words dont seem to match the intent.

Like what is expected here Ranny? What do you expect Andre's to say and what do you get from that? This feels snipish.

We have pages of discussion about you and this is one of the few things you want to focus on? I’ve been trying to stay prudent and keep the game level-headed and this makes me feel like I was wrong to do so. Smdh my head.

VOTE: SSB

No, I think I get what you’re saying. She’s cherry-picking and not addressing what town needs to address.

gut says probably not kyouko today. could consider LicketyQuickety though. it would be more informative for me partly because of the player's clear posting style. and that defence stuff about 'I can't be scum here because I'd never post a half-complete readslist as scum' was a bit sus. had a bit of "mafia caught for the wrong reasons" vibe to it

I'll UNVOTE: for now anyway, seems like things are getting a bit fiesty

Andres, I’ve read through and seen you complain about weak votes from Norwee and Titus, and people reading your meta wrong.

Would it be fair to say you’ve been caught for the wrong reasons?

This looks weird to me, anyon eplayed with Ranny before? It feels like the classic "fairish" scumtell, also the words dont seem to match the intent.

Like what is expected here Ranny? What do you expect Andre's to say and what do you get from that? This feels snipish.

agree that is a bit odd from Ranny

What is this trash

VOTE: cool cookie

;_;7

Brb looking up what exactly kyouko claimed

One like and I'll do it

VOTE: Kyouko
Sleep tight everyone.

[DkKoba]

Resist the urge to speculate about replacements Resist the urge to speculate about replacements Resist the urge to speculate about replacements Resist the urge to speculate about replacements Resist the urge to speculate about replacements

post game my friend

[DkKoba]

@Nero: No pressure and ni rush, but I'd appreciate it if you could give a "mini readlist" on the most active slot (i.e. LQ, Andres, Norwee, Dwlee, Granpa, DkK). Again NO RUSH. Thanks is advance

scum
null
town
town
null

scum
null
town
town
null

Ahem.. these are 5 reads.. on 6 slots..

Which one did you miss?

grandpa

How has this player not moved away from RVS already?

To be tbh I did not see the context for 282. I thought Nero was just throwing out words to take up space.

and the nero tmi, although I think nero linked themselves to rannyscum via their confident doubt of my claim

[DkKoba]

look at the difference between how ranny describes a scumread on kyouko vs cookie - cookie I believe is town here because ranny was just OMGUS voting the slot and had shallow reasoning, while the kyouko and andres votes felt like he put in some substance there that feel TMI.

[DkKoba]

If anyone like has any objections to my theory, please direct them my way with counterlogic, I'd like to dialogue.

[DkKoba]

I believe I was left alive on the assumption I would pursue either cookie or loftwing slot.

[DkKoba]

and quick I'll give you credit where its due and i appreciate you at least are not tinfoiling the slot that hard buried scum and resisted OMGUSing me which you did do in the past. I like you I just want to help steer you in the right direction here - take a look at ranny and tell me what you think if you're around.

[DkKoba]

would you be opposed to flipping ranny first - y/n

[DkKoba]

bad take but also andres is the last in line in my PoE order

[DkKoba]

Let's try this approach :

Quick/Dwlee - would you hate a PoE of :

Andres/Dwlee/T3/Ranny/Neroslot(charle)

(dwlee bear with me im trying to get some collaboration going)

[DkKoba]

I wouldn't if you'd take my name out of it which you know already

we are at 15 players with 3 scum left. we have 4 mislims. you are fine to be in a consensus PoE even if you are not scum. we just need some collaboration to happen with all active slots.

[DkKoba]

dwlee was right to criticize your fluffed up reads list it was Not Good lmao

[DkKoba]

i don't tbh but i see why others do

[DkKoba]

being townread as town is just as important as when you are scum. living is conducive to your wincon

[DkKoba]

Scum is already lying enough—we don't need ostensibly town members to do it too.

Grow up, lol.

Town lies all the time. There are plenty of pro-town reasons to lie.

case in point, norwee and I claiming mason to force a scum elim.

[DkKoba]

house do you townread titus for mech reasons?

[DkKoba]

like y/n please like answer honestly - im sorta seeing something.

[DkKoba]

and it's Loud and clear to me i believe.

[DkKoba]

just answer.

also we dont believe the FN claim.

I think I know exactly what role you are and why you townread titus so I'm willing to locktown you both here.

[DkKoba]

welll i guess the confirmation is good enough as confirmation of a mech reasons so whatever lol

[DkKoba]

this does make me want to reread Titus tho because of what I suspect House, if you understand.

[DkKoba]

house - i'm gonna say what i believe and don't get mad at me but I reached a different conclusion based on my read and I think scum targeted titus based on the venge claim because we started in evens and such, and you are a Loud Doctor who targeted her.

That is my read there and I apologize for outing you but like we have a really large towncore if we can get people to also consensus townread you and basically are on track to win the game with 4 mislims.

[DkKoba]

TItus: clear because nightkill
House: clear because doc who saved the nightkill
A50: very strongly town because helped kill kyouko very early, very strongly in town meta too IMO(are slankier as scum)
Norwee: same as above, minus the slankier as scum part, their tone is what sets him apart.
Quick: spewed town off the kyouko flip
cookie: spewed town if ranny flips scum
Ru Mama: spewed town if ranny flips scum

[DkKoba]

forgot dwlee but also same reasons as a50/norwee

[DkKoba]

would you be opposed to flipping ranny first - y/n

I would, if that matters.

I'm more confident that charlemagne flips scum here.

I'm equally confident in both so I don't mind both wagons. would sus out final scum IMO because I think that's SvS.

[DkKoba]

thats fine - no one really is going to believe that.

if youre doc on titus its blatant atp to scum POV - like even I figured it out as town so there u go

[DkKoba]

you can call it what you want, but hey good doc save fam.

[DkKoba]

the role isnt real he's just covering for the doc claim - they are dead anyways. there's no need to fancy pants it.

[DkKoba]

game is pretty much solved feelsgood

[DkKoba]

thats fine - no one really is going to believe that.

if youre doc on titus its blatant atp to scum POV - like even I figured it out as town so there u go

Too bad for you that you're wrong.

[DkKoba]

n1 loud doc -> n2+n3 commuter is totally plausible I feel so its ok house lmao

[DkKoba]

this game is boring because none of the PoE'd players are really talking here rn and it sucks lol

[DkKoba]

fam i wouldnt out u if i wasnt confident that we had a solid PoE

town be towning this game we all gucci!


i suck at reading you and titus so havng a compelling mech reason(one of the only ones i trust - because theres an action to match it to that is unlikely from scum) - is good enough for me.

[DkKoba]

i mean that's a bit silly considering I delivered us a scum on d1 but sure lol

[DkKoba]

you're not excused - just be cooperative

[DkKoba]

i mean you can also think for like 5 seconds why I might doubt your claim instead of being prideful like our friend quick here.

[DkKoba]

This is beyond words right now.

With the week I am having, I'm not even going to try.

we are doing fine - just a semantics argument.

town are still townreading town for the most part here and scum are holed into a PoE. (at least IMO based on my own confident reads)

[DkKoba]

VOTE: charle

[DkKoba]

And Koba, if going out of your way to offend me was done gambit to make scum second-guess the fact I'm confirmed town, give it up.

It would take some preschool logic to not see the only way Titus knows my role outside of being in a hood with me is if we broke the rules

ok lol whatever u say

[DkKoba]

i guarantee everyone else will believe my theory over yours especially scum if they did indeed target titus for a kill

[DkKoba]

anyways like - don't care, lets plow thru this PoE.

[DkKoba]

im just messing with house since house said they want to vote against my wishes

[DkKoba]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: charle

thanks for doing what i wanted you to do <3

[DkKoba]

the thing is no matter what you do, short of voting a very likely townie - it will be something i want because I am 95% sure i have PoE'd the whole scum team

[DkKoba]

house cmon just stop the immaturity and play normally and we dont need to do this song and dance xD

[DkKoba]

ok then

i will sheep every vote you make for fun this dayphase until we lim one of neroslot/ranny :3

[DkKoba]

VOTE: DkKoba

<3

[DkKoba]

why are u so mad lol?

[DkKoba]

no lmao

if you want to prove you're town you need to do your own work.

have fun.

[DkKoba]

also didnt even read your post past the first sentence.

[DkKoba]

btw dont be silly and actually tell your team to nightkill me tonight - im literally an ascetic.

[DkKoba]

why are u so mad lol?

The fact you don't know when I've plainly started it on several occasions is all the more reason I have no interest in sheeping your reads or sharing a not!Koba wagon with you.

you're throwing a fit akin to a toddler because of a broken pride from having your true role called out. you are grudging the game. Yeah I'm having fun because literally there is a near zero chance that I am the lim ever this game - and zero chance I am this dayphase.

but seriously - don't use the game to satisfy your petty grudges - it's inappropriate and immature so please knock it off.

[DkKoba]

I have no interest in what someone that wants to call me a liar wants me to do.

Feel free to piss right off.

I'm not the only one who doesn't believe your claim my guy.
Play to win.

[DkKoba]

hey charles, what's your ranny read and why?

[DkKoba]

im not eliminating our doc

[DkKoba]

ok like holy shit house we weren't fucking born yesterday and we didnt start playing last week


I am *very* skilled at sniffing out fakeclaims.

if your claim is real - hell - I'll apologize after its confirmed


but as far as I'm concerened - there's a nightkill that didnt happen, and you and titus are suddenly townreading eachother so I made a better occam's razor conclusion and suddenly you're all angy over that.


like seriously stop insulting our intelligence. it's insulting as fuck.

[DkKoba]

the thing is no matter what you do, short of voting a very likely townie - it will be something i want because I am 95% sure i have PoE'd the whole scum team

This seems like really, really poor reasoning. If you're town, your priors of getting the entire scum team from a random sampling of three players (out of 14 not including you) is 3/14*2/13*1/12 or 0.27%. There can't be

that

many people you consider mechanically town—I'm not sure exactly what you believe, but I don't think that you've said anyone is locktown except House/Titus (correct me if I'm wrong.) That leaves 12 others, so a 3/12*2/11*1/10 or a 0.45% chance of guessing three players and having them being a scumteam. Koba, you're saying you're 95% sure you've PoE'd the whole scum team, which means that your reads based off meta+flips are somehow

one hundred and ninety times better than random.

I really don't understand how you get there, because I don't think that any player in existence (including xyz top amazing wonderful beautiful scumhunters, or even top amazing scumhunters who are intimately familiar with the meta of every player in the game) can be 190x +rand.

Can you walk the rest of the players in this game through the process where you go from the priors to your current state of confidence? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and honestly I haven't seen those thought processes spelled out where anyone here can be anywhere near as confident as you in your claims.
I'm really conflicted here. To the best of my knowledge you have a reputation for being overconfident/tunneling like this in games when you are town, so I'm hesitant to say this is especially scum indicative, but on the other hand I'd think town you should know better.

koba can you like. respond to this please

no lmao

[DkKoba]

that post is somehow like scummier than kyouko's whole iso and kyouko is flipped scum

[DkKoba]

lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[DkKoba]

i'll respect ur ranny read if u flip town - ok?

[DkKoba]

the hammer was not towny btw - kyouko was outted scum and a guaranteed wagon well before ranny even hammered.

like the way you are not aware of the gamestate i feel so bad but like im sure you would have been nice to play with if town.

[DkKoba]

kyouko part 2 ! kyouko part 2 ! kyouko part 2 ! kyouko part 2 ! kyouko part 2 ! kyouko part 2 !

[DkKoba]

you're grasping so fucking hard its so cute tbh

[DkKoba]

And Koba, if going out of your way to offend me was done gambit to make scum second-guess the fact I'm confirmed town, give it up.

It would take some preschool logic to not see the only way Titus knows my role outside of being in a hood with me is if we broke the rules

oh i forgot to respond to this but like

i have way more respect for titus regarding mechs than you are giving titus here - I think titus is very intelligent and can figure stuff out by just reading posts.

[DkKoba]

the hammer was not towny btw - kyouko was outted scum and a guaranteed wagon well before ranny even hammered.

like the way you are not aware of the gamestate i feel so bad but like im sure you would have been nice to play with if town.

okay now you're just being rude. i tried my best to catch up on 75 pages or so in a single day assuming people would be reasonable enough to help fill in the gaps. your criticism of me for being unaware of the gamestate is weird since you

just asked me for my read on ranny

.
hammers on scum are +rand town, in my personal experience.

I'm pretty sure all available data says that hammering scum is +rand scum

really?
regardless, ranny's push onto kyouko was pillow asf, and they tried to hop off first chancethey got until the townblock made it inevitable.

[DkKoba]

it was really simple- you were a claimed PR. that was it.

[DkKoba]

the thing is no matter what you do, short of voting a very likely townie - it will be something i want because I am 95% sure i have PoE'd the whole scum team

This seems like really, really poor reasoning. If you're town, your priors of getting the entire scum team from a random sampling of three players (out of 14 not including you) is 3/14*2/13*1/12 or 0.27%. There can't be

that

many people you consider mechanically town—I'm not sure exactly what you believe, but I don't think that you've said anyone is locktown except House/Titus (correct me if I'm wrong.) That leaves 12 others, so a 3/12*2/11*1/10 or a 0.45% chance of guessing three players and having them being a scumteam. Koba, you're saying you're 95% sure you've PoE'd the whole scum team, which means that your reads based off meta+flips are somehow

one hundred and ninety times better than random.

I really don't understand how you get there, because I don't think that any player in existence (including xyz top amazing wonderful beautiful scumhunters, or even top amazing scumhunters who are intimately familiar with the meta of every player in the game) can be 190x +rand.

Can you walk the rest of the players in this game through the process where you go from the priors to your current state of confidence? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and honestly I haven't seen those thought processes spelled out where anyone here can be anywhere near as confident as you in your claims.
I'm really conflicted here. To the best of my knowledge you have a reputation for being overconfident/tunneling like this in games when you are town, so I'm hesitant to say this is especially scum indicative, but on the other hand I'd think town you should know better.

koba can you like. respond to this please

cookie is town based on how kyouko treated that slot+ general thought flow is towny.

[DkKoba]

also we'll see how this goes because the only way mama ru lim goes through is by influence of the whole scum team imo and if they are actaully scum it will become apparent too

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Charles

[DkKoba]

Im fine if i get to be on all the scum wagons while your slot watches and does nothing

[DkKoba]

norwee wtf

[DkKoba]

gamma can you post your current reads and thoughts on the game so far?

[DkKoba]

svsvt wagons lets fucking go

[DkKoba]

Did anyone claim this pagetop yet?

Wait yeah why wasnt ranny prodded LOL

[DkKoba]

misquoted ignore thx but yea scum are drowing rn huehue

[DkKoba]

OK taking bets: does ranny bus their partner, or do they vote loftwing slot to save themselves and their partner

[DkKoba]

odds are 3:1

[DkKoba]

ok assuming he didnt flake

[DkKoba]

oh i just remembered something - there's some validity i think to house's claim, as kyouko's claim was weird for a scum claim IMO based on the gamestate? it makes sense in a world where she has a teammate informed of the role house claimed - and thus wants to fish it out before she dies.

unfortunate for her, margot dipped + no one really cared about the claim bc we said Fuck Mechs Baybee

[DkKoba]

If Ranny gets to E-1 I'll hammer

you're already voting there - vote charles with us!

[DkKoba]

Scum are so afraid im a bulletproof arent they

[DkKoba]

VOTE: dorsey

[DkKoba]

My apologies house i believe your claim now

[DkKoba]

Busy; andres?

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Dorsey

bruh who cares we just plow thru dorsey + andres rn, if either flip green we can reeval from there but we literally have 4ML rn so

[DkKoba]

oh shit the game got a little harder in terms of getting a perfect game.

But uhh 2 cops?

[DkKoba]

2 shots in 1 night happens? XD im not saying youre scum but im afraid you might be gambiting

[DkKoba]

nice quote tags nerd

[DkKoba]

so basically t3/LQ have final scum and if its quick i let angry scum get a free townread for being angry lol

[DkKoba]

1 of rannyslot/mama ru and 1 of t3/quick

pretty much solved - and if we only have 1 within the 4 we just get gamma.

Its game.

[DkKoba]

I mean my mason partner flipped the wrong role xd

[DkKoba]

Oh yes. Actually amazing how he's rolled town for over a year straight with a good sampling of games xD

[DkKoba]

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Guess who never showed up in the neighborhood?

LMAOOOOOOOOO

[DkKoba]

I had to pull that BS alphabetical rearrangement of the names to justify the read

When nobody called shenanigans on that, I was hardcore scratching my head wondering how that meant anything, lol.

GAMING

[DkKoba]

the thing is no matter what you do, short of voting a very likely townie - it will be something i want because I am 95% sure i have PoE'd the whole scum team

This seems like really, really poor reasoning. If you're town, your priors of getting the entire scum team from a random sampling of three players (out of 14 not including you) is 3/14*2/13*1/12 or 0.27%. There can't be

that

many people you consider mechanically town—I'm not sure exactly what you believe, but I don't think that you've said anyone is locktown except House/Titus (correct me if I'm wrong.) That leaves 12 others, so a 3/12*2/11*1/10 or a 0.45% chance of guessing three players and having them being a scumteam. Koba, you're saying you're 95% sure you've PoE'd the whole scum team, which means that your reads based off meta+flips are somehow

one hundred and ninety times better than random.

I really don't understand how you get there, because I don't think that any player in existence (including xyz top amazing wonderful beautiful scumhunters, or even top amazing scumhunters who are intimately familiar with the meta of every player in the game) can be 190x +rand.

Can you walk the rest of the players in this game through the process where you go from the priors to your current state of confidence? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and honestly I haven't seen those thought processes spelled out where anyone here can be anywhere near as confident as you in your claims.
I'm really conflicted here. To the best of my knowledge you have a reputation for being overconfident/tunneling like this in games when you are town, so I'm hesitant to say this is especially scum indicative, but on the other hand I'd think town you should know better.

koba can you like. respond to this please

oh right i can respond to this now


get owned :3

[DkKoba]

btw dont be silly and actually tell your team to nightkill me tonight - im literally an ascetic.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[DkKoba]

what was your role

[DkKoba]

VOTE: t3 perfect game
perfect game

[DkKoba]

i reread game and quick is 100% spewed town lol

[DkKoba]

so literally it goes t3->gamma->???? (Seriously if we don't win by then we gotta reeval)

[DkKoba]

i think its just straight up auto with a little brain thinking-

Ru- hard spewed off ranny slot
cool cookie- technically below the hard towns
dwlee- technically below the hard towns
quick- hard spewed from scum d1
dkkoba- unless you think i hellbussed and did all i did d1 to strongman onto kyouko and also claimed ascetic then ya crazy lol
T3- most likely scum
A50- helped get scum + 2 shot cop claim clearing 2 poe slots.
Gamma - not really that towny- would reread only if t3 flips town
Granpa- clear
andres - clear

[DkKoba]

We have 5 eliminations and with the above list its pretty much guaranteed and scums only goal atp is to prevent a perfect game

[DkKoba]

multiiso quick+nero+kyouko and you'll see

[DkKoba]

T3 is liklier to bus than LQ is likely to be on a correct wagon as town.

[DkKoba]

Moreso that t3 is a busser - but also that lq doesn't have the best accuracy :p

[DkKoba]

I accidentally went back a page and saw house say something and thought we were in postgame already D:

[DkKoba]

based on koba's post there's 4 (cookie, T3, me, dwlee)
there's 11 alive rn, we can lim thru all of those and then still have ability to re-eval in 3p if that doesn't win the game

That's why I asked, because in MY view, it should be LQ > T3 > You > Mama Ru > Dwlee

Mama ru???????

[DkKoba]

based on koba's post there's 4 (cookie, T3, me, dwlee)
there's 11 alive rn, we can lim thru all of those and then still have ability to re-eval in 3p if that doesn't win the game

That's why I asked, because in MY view, it should be LQ > T3 > You > Mama Ru > Dwlee

Mama ru???????

A better bet than cookie from my own perspective

I mean i think t3 is it but ??

[DkKoba]

I think mama ru is town based on how they treated the hood and not the fact it exists

[DkKoba]

GM is mech clear

[DkKoba]

Gm and andres are claimed green by a50

[DkKoba]

IDK, I don't understand why Koba is still alive. I almost want to put on my tin foil hat and say it's possible they bussed their entire team.

please just vote t3

[DkKoba]

Gg all .
If t3 tried we could have had the perfect.

Also id love to nominate people for a scummy here but im not gonna exclude myself:p
Amazingly played norwee/a50/house in particular

[DkKoba]

Setup info?

[DkKoba]

so how did the no kill happen?

[DkKoba]

Also, I’m really disappointed in Nero’s replace-out. I wanted to maybe work alongside him because I didn’t want to remain bitter about past wrongs but he basically tactically replaced out :/

if by tactical you mean he literally broadcasted he was salty scum then sure

[DkKoba]

the way we murdered 2 scum without letting them claim so a doc claim wouldnt have ruined the near perfect game

[DkKoba]

setup had very little to do with scum losing