Well, I'll give this claim one thing - it sure brought the go go gadget WORDS to the table.
@Nameless & Porkens:
I agree with you to an extent. Trust me I'm not anti-lynch because I think they're uber-pro-town or even all that useful of a role. HOWEVER, this early on there is many, many ways to deal with it that don't involve lynching them today. Hell, I'm always a fan of a little WIFOM forcing on the scum - do they kill one totally confirming the other OR do they hope we get nervous enough to lynch... knowing if we dont that at lylo there's a 66% at MINIMUM chance of nailing scum.
So, dont think for a minute they get to run the town or even get totally off the hook. One day at a time.
@Rishi:
Also, SpyreX, I have no intention of answering the question you want answered. There's discussion about it in the thread (not necessarily by me). I suggest you go back and look for it.
I'll get into this more later, but this business will never cease to aggravate me and it, on top of everything else, it makes you look scummy. So thats A-Ok!
@Zazier:
Even if they are telling the truth, there's always a possibility that one of the masons is minority.
They took that business away. With only two of them and one saying they are mod confirmed (and the other not countering that) if one is scum they are both scum. Period.
@Charter:
@Spyrex, I completely see how you could have thought of me as scum. I saw it the whole time, but other than just repeating, "you're wrong spyrex", I had no way of getting you off my back. It obviously isn't your fault either. I didn't even try and act not scummy. Two reasons. First, I had a power role, so generally if you attract some (but not the most) attention during the day, you won't get lynched, and you certainly won't get NK'ed. Second, it was easy to act scummy, because I knew from the getgo another persons role and alignment, same as scum. However, I believe it will be easy to tell that we are in fact masons if anyone were to read through the game. There is no FoS's, no suggesting the other might be suspicious, no questioning suspicious things the other has done. None of scum distancing or bussing.
This is like a "how to not do a PR well" book. Utilize your PR as much as you can to help the town. Acting scummy, by your own volition, does NOT help the town. Hell, you're masons, not a BP hypercharger cop - your role is more useful when, independent of it, you feel like town. The masons claim makes sense but trying to pish-posh away the idea it could be a balls-to-the-wall mafia gambit is impossible because they are two sides of the same coin (notice I didn't mention cult because that is a much lower probability).
Why do you not think Porkens is scum? He didn't even wait or want to discuss our claim. He explains it by a wild cult theory (it is wild, see how often cults are used in a 12 person game, I don't even know if it's ever happened).
Cult, although definitely not Occam, DOES explain every bit of it. It may seem "wild" but the logic for it all makes sense. Holding pressure on you because he thinks you are scummy also makes sense - if you're trying to find scum. I'm not 100% Porkens is town but the play definitely suggests to me such.
We think other people are scum, Rishi isn't one of those, but we don't think he's even close to a definate townie either. Me and KMD are the only masons, Rishi isn't one of us.
You're gonna be in trooooubbbleeee for answering my rolefishing (hint, this was more rolefishing than anything else I've done yet). But, THANK YOU for actually answering the question. F.Y.I: (and this is a duh) - if, at ANY TIME, they say there is a third mason now hang the whole mess of em (KMD first just to eliminate even the chance of Cult).
If LG says no, then Porkens is lying scum and should be lynched, if LG says yes, Porkens is scum and should be lynched. If LG says no comment, see if LG says yes.
Sigh. This is one of those many "if you werent masons and therefore not the right lynch today I'd power hammer". You asked the mod a question that of COURSE he couldn't answer and setup a "regardless of the answer, lynch Porkens". That is not helpful. Please dont do it.
Now, KMD:
Scum generally want a mason lynched so they can NK the other. That's what it looks like Porkens is doing. From reading ahead, Nameless too.
So, assuming that Porkens / Namless are pushing your lynch so they can NK the other... aside from the fact that they need 4 other hombres to pile on, wouldn't that make them absolutely suspect and actually make your role about as useful as it possibly could be?
Having suspicion on you, especially when your partner admits you've been scummy, is NOT a scumtell. Pushing on PR's that are playing bad is NOT a scumtell. However, if they dont look in other avenues and become focused on this.. that will be something to look at.
If by fiasco, you mean last night (IRL), that was Porkens. If you mean calling out cop, watcher, tracker safeclaims that weren't there, that was you.
I said investigative because your statement made reference to knowing something about another persons alignment. The cop, watcher, tracker were the examples of investigative I gave. Hence my little
when you said you were a mod-confirmed mason because that is an investigative role.
No. I didn't softclaim. The post that you call a softclaim HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH CHARTER. I breadcrumbed in the random stage. That is different. Nobody saw it until Charter claimed.
You know, you are right. It had NOTHING TO DO WITH CHARTER. All your secrets are out of the bag now so perhaps you will actually answer my question.
SpyreX wrote:Porkens wrote:
Finally, KMD; Why didn't you call out SpyreX when he said that I was soft-claiming?
My honest answer would affect the town in a negative way.
So, you are a mason. You know charter's alignment. Why didn't you call me out when I went after what I thought was Porkens soft-claiming. Why would your honest answer affect the town in a negative way? (Also, if you can't see how an honest answer has a negative effect not being related to a PR if you are, in fact, town then I just dont know.)
Calling out softclaims that aren't there IS. You said that I claimed watcher, tracker, cop. I think it's safe to say I am not any of these. From anyone else's point of view in this game, I am either mason with charter, or scum with charter. It has been proven that you have been wrong about my "softclaim". Now stop trying to fish for everyone else's role.
Ok, we're going to go around and around about this but hell I'm not dropping it. I said you softclaimed an investigative role (and gave said examples) because the statement "My honest answer would hurt the town"
implies
knowledge outside of the normal game framework or you're a crazy person. Now, in general, the assumption for such information (especially in regards to not calling someone out) would HAVE to be by nature investigative. So, yea. I'm not fishing for information - its not like I went "Hey Zazier, what is your role?" You, Charter and Rishi all made statements that imply outside information and if you dont expect to get called on it - don't make the statements (see my still wanting Rishi to explain his). So, if you want to call me saying "WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT MEAN" rolefishing. Sure. However, don't make the mistake to think it was I who first brought the role to attention.
So: Saying in any fashion "My answer is bad" assumes the information to lead to said information isn't within the normal game framework which, thereby means said information is gained through a PR (or lies). So, yes, it is a softclaim.