Large Normal 235: Large Normal With No Multiball [Game Over]

[T3]

VOTE: T3

What's today's fake claim?

2-shot Follower, of course.

[T3]

I noticed that the site meta has changed over time.

It used to be that power roles were helpful to the town, and that claims helped solve the game. This is no longer true.

I just finished playing Sybil's Elegy which was a great example of the role distribution being designed to confuse at best, and F up at worse, the town. I have played others with similar anti-town mod shenanigans.

Here's the deal.

We should not claim, ever.

Treating the game as mountainous will increase our chances of winning.

What we should do (and I include vanilla townies) is to crumb our night choices somehow BEFORE the night. Vanilla townies must crumb fake targets.

When you're dead, and we know your role and alignment, we can go back and use the crumbs for the solve.

Solving games by way of RESULTS and CLAIMED ROLES will not work. It just doesn't work anymore.

VOTE: DGB

I'm gunna veto this, but still read it as Townie.

thonk

[T3]

I'll be using a system I have used in other games in this game. I believe Norweigh is familiar with it since I used it in a game we played together.

LOCKTOWN

[T3]

I'll be using a system I have used in other games in this game. I believe Norweigh is familiar with it since I used it in a game we played together.

LOCKTOWN

TMI?

Rejected....

[T3]

I'm gunna veto this, but still read it as Townie.

Scum?

can we all just take amoment to remember petapan

[T3]

I'll be using a system I have used in other games in this game. I believe Norweigh is familiar with it since I used it in a game we played together.

LOCKTOWN

TMI?

Rejected....

I don't believe I have played with you. Would you mind telling me the differences between your Town and Scum Meta?

As scum I do flashy stuff
As town I do flashy stuff but I 'm also town and get townread for it

[T3]

Also I hard lurk through pressure as scum.

[T3]

I'll need some raisin with that shade LQ.

1.) They called me LOCKTOWN for something that is NAI.
2.) They said they luck out of pressure (confirmed by another player).
3.) When I voted them, they became leading wagon and left the thread.

1. Yeah weird but why would scum do that?
2. That's nai.
3. Bit hasty to make a call on lurking imo.

I'll keep an eye on it but not convinced this is the jackpot yet.

Never said it was a jackpot. Just that it is just as much if not more reason to vote for T3 over Norweigh.

Then most important part about voting and putting pressure on T3 is to see if they lurk. If they do lurk, then we keep the votes on them. They said they Towntell as Town so assuming we keep the pressure there, then they will A.) Post and B.) Towntell.

Is not NAI
It is NAI
Not lurking lmao

[T3]

also can someone explain to me what powerball and mountainous games are plox

The Powerball lottery is a lot of money

[T3]

Enough money I could swim in
But then I would get paper cuts.

[T3]

huh 50 billion pennies would be hard to carry around though

[T3]

I'll need some raisin with that shade LQ.

1.) They called me LOCKTOWN for something that is NAI.
2.) They said they luck out of pressure (confirmed by another player).
3.) When I voted them, they became leading wagon and left the thread.

1. Yeah weird but why would scum do that?
2. That's nai.
3. Bit hasty to make a call on lurking imo.

I'll keep an eye on it but not convinced this is the jackpot yet.

Never said it was a jackpot. Just that it is just as much if not more reason to vote for T3 over Norweigh.

Then most important part about voting and putting pressure on T3 is to see if they lurk. If they do lurk, then we keep the votes on them. They said they Towntell as Town so assuming we keep the pressure there, then they will A.) Post and B.) Towntell.

tbh i think this is kind of flawed logic because t3 confessing that he lurks as scum could just be a gateway to him not lurking and gaining towncred that way like you said. like i played a game with him before where he was scum and he didnt lurk there so like. take that as you will.

It was confirmed by another player they luck out pressure.

That's not lurking, it's driving for 3 hours.

[T3]

Locktown rescinded.

[T3]

2 votes isn't pressure.

[T3]

maybe thats too meta-y tho

Meta is the absolute best tolol for townhunting. Change my mind.

[T3]

Locktown rescinded.

How exactly does the "LOCK" in LOCKTOWN work?

You see, I have a key that opens the lock.

[T3]

Roden Town.

I very much disagree

Where's your vote at then?

VOTE: Nero

VOTE: Nero

[T3]

Nero WIM < something = scum

[T3]

I noticed that the site meta has changed over time.

It used to be that power roles were helpful to the town, and that claims helped solve the game. This is no longer true.

I just finished playing Sybil's Elegy which was a great example of the role distribution being designed to confuse at best, and F up at worse, the town. I have played others with similar anti-town mod shenanigans.

Here's the deal.

We should not claim, ever.

Treating the game as mountainous will increase our chances of winning.

What we should do (and I include vanilla townies) is to crumb our night choices somehow BEFORE the night. Vanilla townies must crumb fake targets.

When you're dead, and we know your role and alignment, we can go back and use the crumbs for the solve.

Solving games by way of RESULTS and CLAIMED ROLES will not work. It just doesn't work anymore.

VOTE: DGB

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

I should follower target DGB tonight - stealthy crumb.

[T3]

awoooo

[T3]

Win=wants it more.

I never knew either I thought it meant post frequency.

[T3]

I'm panicking that you already figured out the scum team

VOTE: Roden

Nero associative?

Bad fake scum hunting?

Nero is stil a scumbag intent on destroying the families and livelihoods of all the townspeople.

[T3]

Pressure on T3 isn't a bad idea, but he's more likely to sort himself for us. If he's scum he'll likely out himself the longer the game goes on, and he's likely to form incriminating associatives as well.

Can't say I'm good at actually reading him, but I've played enough games with him that I kinda know his meta. It's generally detrimental to scum to keep him around regardless of his alignment.

You're suggesting that "the longer the game goes on, and he's likely to form incriminating associatives" is a characteristic of T3 and not every player out there, so we should give T3 special treatment - only pressure, but

not eliminate

?

I'll figure out what this all means as soon as I finish scraping my brain matter from the walls.

I mean this in a positive way, but T3 is not like every player out there. You should know this from Deco alone.

Hey Shrek what's roden saying in y'all's scum pt?

I'm panicking that you already figured out the scum team and Shrek is posting All Star lyrics.

Win=wants it more.

Ah, never would've guessed that tbh.

real talk though i should actually change my name because its annoying af having people assume that i like shrek right out the gate just cause thats my name

it was literally 5 years ago when i was 15 and dumb cut me some slack yo

:shrekConfused:

[T3]

VOTE: T3
I'm gonna go here I think cause I saw Nero said the words "t3" and "chainsaw defending"

Yeah, actually Shrek seems like a fish out of water so...

VOTE: Shrek

For all intents and purposes I'll read Shrek like I would a fresh noob straight from Town of Salem.

[T3]

Nero is a barren wasteland of content which I remember is super SI for him.

[T3]

Cpompare my games from 1-2 months ago to now and it's way diferent.

[T3]

Meta wall on Nero coming soon.

[T3]

2 votes isn't pressure.

How about 3?

VOTE: T3

You let us know when you feel pressured enough.

I would prob join if i didn’t feel tempted to vote Testarossa.
T3 is just so adorably wagonable this game. I just wanna hug him, stroke him behind the ear and whisper: "you’re going to hell buddy ))"

[T3]

2 votes isn't pressure.

How about 3?

VOTE: T3

You let us know when you feel pressured enough.

I would prob join if i didn’t feel tempted to vote Testarossa.
T3 is just so adorably wagonable this game. I just wanna hug him, stroke him behind the ear and whisper: "you’re going to hell buddy ))"

[T3]

can someone summarize the cases against nero and t3 again for me plox

The case against Nero is that he's playing different to his town meta.

[T3]

Yeah Nero is town.

How does it feel to have a wrong opinion?

[T3]

Yeah Nero is town.

How does it feel to have a wrong opinion?

Meta wall on Nero coming soon.

What happened to this?

Clearly a doctored quote.

[T3]

I DECLARE A TOWNBLOC!

T3, LQ, CheekyTeeky, Meg, and NorweiganboyEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[T3]

Metadiving DGB is like playing Roblox

[T3]

Town DGB spends a lot of time being aggressive and scumreading people for non thought out reasons. Town!DGB sometimes townreads when prompted and it's usualy a blanket read without any specific reasoning. I have yet to find ascum!DGB game but this has been true of DGB in Townstumps, Mini Normal 2196, Large Normal 233 and Large Normal 232.

[T3]

t3, are u legit scum reading me as in no walk backs when i flip tow?

No.

[T3]

3 scum reads that are legit.

this post doesn't specifically ask for reasons althought its not like i haven't previously talked about my reasons.

just leave me alone and do something useful besides misrep/misread

Your reasons for Mega are bad. Your reasons for SRing Shrek is fluff in early game right? You're reasons for Roden are OMGUS and 140 for T3 and Roden SvS which actually works against you here. You provide zero reason for your T3 read.

I can see you teamed with T3 honestly.

no

[T3]

Why am I scum?

[T3]

Why am I scum?

Because you lied about meta diving Nero...

Uhhhhhhh

[T3]

Why am I scum?

Because you lied about meta diving Nero...

Uhhhhhhh

I have literally zero evidence that you meta Dived Nero.

I plead no contest.

[T3]

tf DGB has no scumgames since October 2020

[T3]

Yeah Nero is town.

I'm liking Dragon of the West for town.

can someone summarize the cases against nero and t3 again for me plox

I honestly can't imagine scum posting mid readthrough like this.

What do you mean?
Scum can’t post midways through their catch up?

I feel like scum would want to look at the current dynamics of the game before posting. Also the content feels more like a legitimate question from a town than someone with an agenda due to its weird roundabout nature. Scum certainly could post mid readthrough, but I feel like that's more of a townie thing, especially with something like that.

I'm town binning this player.

Yep DGB is town.

[T3]

Yep DGB is town

Because they're throwing out town reads?

Scum DGB just straight up doesn't give reads unless prompted and the reads she gives are overexplained.
Citatation: Death Curse

[T3]

You see Luke, metagood - Yoda

[T3]

Seriously though, DGB is ELEVATED to TOWNREAD.

[T3]

Town!Nero posts a lot of one-liners but he actually engages with the thread and quotes people. He will also occasionally posts a quote wall. Scum!Nero barely engages with the thread and when he does post it's usually contentless one-liners. Conclusion: Basedon the lack of walls Nero is scum, but I'm not too sure about this one.

[T3]

Yep DGB is town

Because they're throwing out town reads?

Scum DGB just straight up doesn't give reads unless prompted and the reads she gives are overexplained.
Citatation: Death Curse

I don't believe you.

Then you get dayvigged.

[T3]

Nope!

[T3]

Everyone elsa is locktown, so I'm sure we'll win this

[T3]

Clearly nero is the only scum.

[T3]

Seriously though, I'll do something.

[T3]

Yep DGB is town

Because they're throwing out town reads?

Scum DGB just straight up doesn't give reads unless prompted and the reads she gives are overexplained.
Citatation: Death Curse

I don't believe you.

Then you get dayvigged.

Do it coward

[T3]

{LicketyQuickety, Roden, MegAzumarill, NorwegianboyEE}
{Gamma Emerald, Shrek, Dwlee99}
{Almost50, KittyTacky, ArcAngel9, Save The Dragons}
{Testarossa, Dragon of the West}
{DrippingGoofball, T3}{Nero Cain}

This is where I'm at currently.

why am i still scum

[T3]

{LicketyQuickety, Roden, MegAzumarill, NorwegianboyEE}
{Gamma Emerald, Shrek, Dwlee99}
{Almost50, KittyTacky, ArcAngel9, Save The Dragons}
{Testarossa, Dragon of the West}
{DrippingGoofball, T3}{Nero Cain}

This is where I'm at currently.

why am i still scum

Do you think your play has warranted a townread so far?

A little, but why a scumread?

[T3]

istop the spam

[T3]

And y r u back to scum reading me cheeks?

I have said in multiple posts the T3 vs you is TvS that's why you're in your own special bracket. Also stop beetlejuicing or I'll tunnel you harder than T3 is.

Y does it have to be tvs. Like yes I'm town and t3 could be scum but I don't think it's impossible that t3 is bad town. And if you think we are tvs isn't that something you want resolved?

Can't help it when I get on

The way the game developed the wagon on you felt like either you are scum and T3 picked it up early or T3 was encouraging your wagon as scum.

What if he's just stupid and bad and scum are taking advantage? How many games have you played in now...town are pretty often pushed by other equally bad town. Games aren't black and white like you are suggesting

I don't know at this point.

[T3]

YO T3 GOT AN AVATAR

[T3]

Sometimes lurksacks are just lurksacks. If only I had an example of pushing scum until we finally settled on a do nothing lurksack

Do you?

Pushed Titus the entire day, ended up limming a player with 9 posts in the Gypyx game.

[T3]

Large normal 233 dunno how to c+p on mobile

"We once miseliminated a lurker; henceforth, let's townbin them all!"

Depends on the player.

[T3]

How the heck did I lurk lol

[T3]

Also, no it was definitely not too early to tell.

[T3]

Me taking the effort to read through every single DGB game since October isn't busywork.

[T3]

Also, I think DOTW's self'-meta observation about him being logical is +town.

[T3]

This game has been very fast paced which means I have a much lower postcount compared to others. Hardly lurking.

[T3]

Like he's being very close to the chest. He plopped down a vote on the biggest wagon at the time with wishy-washy language of "I'm not sure" and now is basically blaming me and saying that bc I'm scum reading him he's still scum reading me. His only other "scum read" is my biggest defender and I kinda got the vibe that he was hoping that my elim would go through then he'll argue that Norway knew I was town. Assuming Norway and dw are town then that means he's failed to vote a single scum. His hunting is extremely limited this he's prob scum.

Hm this is a town Nero post.

[T3]

Also, no it was definitely not too early to tell.

Dude I had made 3 posts when I voted me and then you later argued that I hadn't wall posted yet (0n like page 3 or w/e it was)

That vote was me sheping Roden.

[T3]

If t3 wagon won't happen I am convinced by Nero's case here ftr and willing to kill Gamma ftr.

*blinded by scumvibes*

[T3]

T3 who are your scumreads

I don't know. I metadived Gamma but got nothing.

[T3]

If t3 wagon won't happen I am convinced by Nero's case here ftr and willing to kill Gamma ftr.

Gamma I think you're being trolled

Scumposts. Dwlee knows Gamma is Town.

I had this exact thought when reading the second post.

[T3]

VOTE: gamma
I'm going to do a 180 on nero.

[T3]

Wait I misunderstood. VOTE: dw

[T3]

Cheeky what did I do though?

[T3]

"the nero wagon failed"
tf?
Also uh slightly dubious about the whole voting Gamma part.

[T3]

I was the second vote on Nero.
>opportunism

[T3]

In my 3 most recent towngamesevery time I've ben tunneled it's been by scm.

[T3]

Also do you really think scum puts in the effort to read 10 DGB games?

[T3]

No I think u just talked to dgb in the scum pt

I....

[T3]

How is my case on DGB invalid?

[T3]

It would be very funny if Cheeky and Dwlee were both scum.

[T3]

How is my case on DGB invalid?

@Gamma and Nero
Like, is anything I said in the DGB metacase false?

[T3]

VOTE: gamma
Can't say why but this is almost 100% scum.

[T3]

Once you kill me please vote Gamma I know he is scum but I can't say why.

[T3]

What if Gamma/Nero/T3 are all town? Where be the scums?

Testarossa

Vote Gamma.
:beg:

[T3]

Once you kill me please vote Gamma I know he is scum but I can't say why.

You actually can't or you don't know why?

Either I won't say why for mech reasons or the rules prohibit me from saying.

[T3]

GLADIATE GAMMA

[T3]

THIS IS ME SAYING IN BIG TEXT SO YOU DON'T MISS THIS
I AM ALMOST COMPLETELY SURE GAMMA IS SCUM BUT I CAN'T SAY WHY OR WON'T SAY WHY
AFTER YOU LIM ME THEN LIM HIM

[T3]

I'll take a look at Roden meta.

[T3]

I'll take a look at Roden meta.

I thought you already did? Why were you sheeping me if you weren't sure of my alignment?

Actually you already know my meta? You've played with me in all of my scum games.

I don't remember your meta.

[T3]

I think t3 is trying to distance from buddies / do WIFOM with how much his votes have been flipping around lately.

I'll take a look at Roden meta.

I thought you already did? Why were you sheeping me if you weren't sure of my alignment?

Actually you already know my meta? You've played with me in all of my scum games.

I don't remember your meta.

Town read plummeting unfortunately.

I only take note of someone's meta if it stands out.

[T3]

I have an extremely accurate meta scum read on t3 right now, y'all should sheep me.

M E T A

For real though what's your actual case on T3? Since it's definitely not solely based in meta

Dw is scum.

[T3]

can't keep up

[T3]

On further reflection my case on Gamma is actually Pretty Weak

[T3]

But it got reactions going so that's cool. No one hammer.

[T3]

Also gamma not wanting to vote t3 bc t3 is pushing him is dumb but they aren't town so...

I think what Gamma is saying is that Me/Gamma is never S/T.

[T3]

T3 more from meta

I don't have a very consistent meta in terms of activity but I think I engage with the thread a lot more as scum.

[T3]

I stopped by the replacements thread before I cam in here, and I feel disappointed to say the least. I wanted to try and focus on how Testarossa played this game because she totally fooled me the last game (I was Scum, she was Scum on the opposing team, and it was -my partner- Titus that caught her, while I was more focused on Nero whom I got strong "Wolf" vibes from upon the flip of the third wolf; Elsa Jay).

Does this mean I want to vote Testa's slot? Let e be honest, part of me does, but -the more logical- part wants to wait and see what the replacement brings in.

/End pet peeve

Last game A50 was scum and he said in the scum PT to his teammates to not be one of the first 3 posters - an A50 scumflip would possibly clear the first 3 posters.

[T3]

It's cute you think we wagoner gamma bc your your "meta case"

I don't think you are - he's a consensus scumread by play as far as I can tell.

[T3]

Also gamma not wanting to vote t3 bc t3 is pushing him is dumb but they aren't town so...

I’m posting about it because of this
The fact T3 is pushing me is less important than the fact he’s pretty clearly using ongoing game meta to do it. It would be a pretty galaxy-brain play to try and fake that as scum imo, and despite me having vines that T3 is not as new as he feels at times I still feel like that would be outside his scumrange

I've played on other sites but hadn't played since ~2019 before joining.

[T3]

Arc's catchup is weird but I don't know why.

What dd I do in Mini 2213?

[T3]

I buy Gamma's claim.

[T3]

If only I could tell you what I was thinking...

[T3]

Claim t3

[T3]

I'm so tempted to fakeclaim something to bait the nightkill but I'm VT.

[T3]

Please meta me I'll be town

[T3]

F
VOTE: t3
I still don't know what I did wrong...

[T3]

t3 is town

Oh cool UNVOTE: T3

[T3]

F
VOTE: t3
I still don't know what I did wrong...

This is scum
Scum selfvote, town selfhammer

Scum selfhammer to cut off town discusion.

[T3]

VOTE: t3

Intent to self hammer I guess.

[T3]

Oh yeah STD is locktown.
VOTE: 3T
g l h f

[T3]

I would like to point out that I successfully metadived DGB, and even though I was limmed day 1 I am still happy

[T3]

.-.

[T3]

Yeah I exaggerated the meta thing -there actually was something but it was not meta.