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[Dwlee99]

In the words of my predecessor: ego

[Dwlee99]

I'm a neighbor what's gooood

[Dwlee99]

Well I'm there ofc.

[Dwlee99]

Andres is there.

[Dwlee99]

Gonna ISO Arc, Titus, Cyrus, and Nero eventually™. Are we almost at deadline or do I have time to mess around a bit?

[Dwlee99]

Titus why did you ask who was in my hood when it seems like it was already claimed that Nero/Andre were in there?

Pedit:
VOTE: Tess

By Moderator: VOTE: Test

[Dwlee99]

Fair enough. So why were you holding off on claiming your result on Tess? It seems like a lot of this day you had a vote on Nero based on the PT cop.

[Dwlee99]

Skimming Cyrus makes me think he might be evil this game.

[Dwlee99]

Arc - null
Cyrus - scum
Nero - town
Titus - town
Tess - currently doing blood ritual for her defenestration

[Dwlee99]

Damn, there goes my plan to fakeclaim flying pumpkin.

[Dwlee99]

Nero I'm pretty sure that test is scum regardless of Titus!alignment so let's end the day there at the very least, yeah?

[Dwlee99]

Feel free to yell at me in the hood if you'd like.

[Dwlee99]

If she isn't lying about test then I believe she is town.

[Dwlee99]

Do y'all do this every game?

[Dwlee99]

I wanna see y'all roll neighbors. It'd be funny.

[Dwlee99]

It's like an old married couple but in mafia instead of bickering about what oatmeal to buy.

[Dwlee99]

Nero do you think I'm partnered with Titus here?

[Dwlee99]

Nero bad

[Dwlee99]

If you can't read me how can I trust any of your other reads smh.

[Dwlee99]

Whatever I just wanna see a tess flip. I'm thinking Cyrus tomorrow.

[Dwlee99]

If Tess flips anti-town rolecop I'm thinking Titus is mech cleared tbh.

[Dwlee99]

Lol a little bit yea.

[Dwlee99]

I'm so scummy you've decided to vote with me.

A50, vote test. Why sheep Dunn?

[Dwlee99]

Let's get this elimination done so I can be locked in with my neighbors for a couple of days.

[Dwlee99]

Cyrus I'm sorry you rolled scum this game

[Dwlee99]

Test is flipping scum here, we will hash this conversation out tomorrow don't worry.

[Dwlee99]

I ISO'd you and didn't like your first ten posts. I'm not reading the entire game 60 pages in. It would do me literally 0 good.

[Dwlee99]

Also HEM put it well enough. Test is scum because she is a full role cop. She is claiming Titus is also one in an extremely shady manner after having no crumb or real push of it. She might as well be congscum here.

[Dwlee99]

Cyrus you can just night kill me don't worry

[Dwlee99]

1.) Even if I were scum I wouldn't know you're town
2.) We are getting test today because she might as well be confscum.

[Dwlee99]

Do you think that the mafia/werewolves are informed of every town player in the game?

[Dwlee99]

Cyrus how many mafia and werewolves did we start with?

[Dwlee99]

We don't even necessarily lose if she is (she isn't).

[Dwlee99]

vote Tess

?

[Dwlee99]

Good job Nero

[Dwlee99]

Nopers

[Dwlee99]

Is andre scum, dw?

I don't think he has posted since I've replaced in so no clue

[Dwlee99]

I'm curious why you targeted my slot both nights.

[Dwlee99]

I could see Nero being wolf and wish you blocked there instead tbh. Especially because there is only one wolf left.

Pedit: I was congratulating him on being right about the read and that he doesn't have to push it anymore.

[Dwlee99]

On consideration wolf!Nero probably doesn't kill Titus there.

[Dwlee99]

Why would he kill what he can try to eliminate?

[Dwlee99]

I mean go for it I guess but you're really wasting it.

Pedit: I mean maybe. There's some context in the hood for that though.

[Dwlee99]

Nero would be making that kill decision himself, unless there are 2 werewolves (there aren't).

[Dwlee99]

If you thought that Nero was werewolf I don't understand why you would have roleblocked me at all.

[Dwlee99]

Nero do you still think I could be Titus' partner?

[Dwlee99]

Titus could be otherscum if Testarossa flips scum (i.e., it would mean Titus is either town or otherscum).

Theory: this is why he is dead.

[Dwlee99]

It's all in the neighborhood.

[Dwlee99]

It's all in the neighborhood.

[Dwlee99]

Arc is more likely maf than wolf from an ISO skim. Thoughts, Nero?

[Dwlee99]

I wanna find the wolf.

[Dwlee99]

Agreed arc is maf. Nero could be werewolf by PoE and the reaction to test but also like he was right that Titus was scum so I understand his distrust of the claim.

[Dwlee99]

The werewolf and mafia could crosskill with only one of each left and win us the game but given they'll be shooting for town I wouldn't bet on it.

[Dwlee99]

Is there a benefit to limming mafia first?

The werewolf and mafia could crosskill with only one of each left and win us the game but given they'll be shooting for town I wouldn't bet on it.

The werewolf and mafia could crosskill with only one of each left and win us the game but given they'll be shooting for town I wouldn't bet on it.

There is more then one scum left is this your and arcs plan lie to town. I won't let it happen you guys should have shot me last night.

This is what I was responding to.

Who do I think is a wolf? Well I feel like half the game hasn't posted since I replaced in so I'm still figuring that out.

[Dwlee99]

HEM are you like. Okay? I was responding to your post

[Dwlee99]

Good night friend.

[Dwlee99]

Can we get the claim from arc then Nero?

[Dwlee99]

Nero could be a different role in addition to neighbor. Andres claimed that doctor thing, for instance.

Roleblocker can be any alignment.

[Dwlee99]

I think you're making a big leap supposing neighborhood alignments. You make a good case for just killing scum though
VOTE: Arc

[Dwlee99]

Also unless Hem is fake claiming role (not just alignment) I can't be WW here unless I was ascetic or something.

[Dwlee99]

It might not be fake.

[Dwlee99]

Dude idek anymore

[Dwlee99]

arcs and dw comment saying there is only one scum and wolf left puts them at top of scum list

What?

[Dwlee99]

You completely ignored all context where HEM said "if we kill red Mafia today"

[Dwlee99]

Can Arc AND Nero please claim next posts?

[Dwlee99]

We have no clue what roles the mafia have. Idk get arc or Nero but both should be claiming next post.

[Dwlee99]

[quote=]The blocked player will not normally be told that they have been blocked (unless they used an investigative role and thus were expecting a results PM, in which case the moderator will let them know that their action failed).[/quote]

[Dwlee99]

The blocked player will not normally be told that they have been blocked (unless they used an investigative role and thus were expecting a results PM, in which case the moderator will let them know that their action failed).

[Dwlee99]

Nero you one-shot?

Also, if town neighbor doesn't count as VT I think arc is fake claiming VT because I think it is more likely we have one than two. Also think Andre's claim is very weird if we only have one or two VTs.

[Dwlee99]

What is Cyrus' claim?

[Dwlee99]

O hmmm okay nevermind on set-up spec? Maybe?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Andres

[Dwlee99]

cyrus I don't think a simple doctor would be informed that their first shot failed. it's not an investigative role.

By normal guidelines it is not informed it failed.

[Dwlee99]

By normal guidelines it is not informed it failed.

I'm a fish in a barrier

[Dwlee99]

Icerint already flipped VT

[Dwlee99]

It's actually better to hit mafia today than werewolf per a50's post.

[Dwlee99]

We also have a better chance of it ^

[Dwlee99]

Lol Nero don't distort what was said in the hood.

[Dwlee99]

I mean that's sort of close to what it was but there is more context to my townread + I told you why I didn't want to bother figuring it out right then.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: arc

[Dwlee99]

I'm not eliminating Nero probably ever.

[Dwlee99]

Can we pick one between Andres and arc and throw them to the sky?

[Dwlee99]

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-07-24 22:24:00)

[Dwlee99]

Andre got replaced out btw

[Dwlee99]

I've made my thoughts clear. Maybe I'm wrong and scum are happy to lurk out my wrongness? But also you'd think arc would try to do anything before being yeeted off, regardless of alignment.

[Dwlee99]

Nero if ythan dies we will have a chat just to ourselves

Fr though I don't understand the 2-shot simple doctor role being in a game with only three claimed VTs.

[Dwlee99]

I'm still not convinced Cyrus is town.

[Dwlee99]

Night kill me night kill me night kill me

[Dwlee99]

Cyrus just night kill me then I won't live until tomorrow.

[Dwlee99]

Okay so am I scum or am I trying to get night killed?

[Dwlee99]

Apparently my slot was scumread before I replaced in and I'm a VT with a PT so I'm not exactly a threat.

[Dwlee99]

If you flip town scum are forced to cross kill so it's okay.

[Dwlee99]

You're already hammered so it's not like I can unkill you here. I also think it is totally within reason that you would claim town even after hammer.

[Dwlee99]

As mafia or ww*

[Dwlee99]

If you flip town scum are forced to cross kill so it's okay.

why?

We enter night with 4 - 2 - 1 if she is town. If scum don't cross kill and hit different townies we go into tomorrow with 2 - 2 - 1 which is theoretically losing for WW, so WW has to try to get us to the 3 - 1 - 1 world to win.

[Dwlee99]

Cyrus just committed murder wow

[Dwlee99]

You roasted her

[Dwlee99]

Official Vote Count

ArcAngel9

(3): Nero Cain, Dwlee99, Almost50

humaneatingmonkey

(1): cyrus62

Nero Cain

(1): humaneatingmonkey

cyrus62

(1): ArcAngel9

Not Voting

(2): Ythan, Dunnstral

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to terminate.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-07-24 22:24:00)

VOTE: arcangel that is e1 no one hammer till dun responds.

Ythan is fine, by the way, I don't get the recent attacks on their slot. They're right about just replacing into an 80 page day, and as the only protective claim they seem pretty likely to be real to me...

VOTE: Arcangel

That's all I had to say

[Dwlee99]

If the mafia team was Andres and I the neighborhood would be all anti-town. That doesn't make sense. Why do you think Andres and Nero can't both be evil unless I'm also evil?

[Dwlee99]

Oh I misread your brackets. Thought you were saying the team was A50 and Cyrus or Andres and I. Oops

[Dwlee99]

Wiki said if there is 3 in a nigebor hood 1 is most likely anti town.

This is a soft rule but mods can break it for a variety of reasons.

[Dwlee99]

I'm gonna guess mafia.

Also "we can bet if we don't say the word bet" is one of the most Cyrus things ever.

[Dwlee99]

Waiting for a flip like

[Dwlee99]

I don't think Cyrus actually broke a rule there.

[Dwlee99]

Thread still open

[Dwlee99]

Ythan is not using the hood ftr.

[Dwlee99]

I suspect something happened IRL with Sirius so I don't think we should be "mad" about it. There's a backup mod and list mods for a reason.

[Dwlee99]

I knew the monkey was fishy

[Dwlee99]

So I think ythan is evil y'all

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee
A50
Cyrus

Ythan
Nero

?

[Dwlee99]

Cause ythan and you are probably evil and it's one of each faction in the hood.

[Dwlee99]

Also HEM probably not aligned with Cyrus from my reading of things.

[Dwlee99]

HEM roleblocked me. I can't be wolf. I'm not paired with Titus/HEM, can't be mafia.

[Dwlee99]

I mean I can't /verify/ it but HEM said he roleblocked me N1 and N3.

[Dwlee99]

I could be the last WW if I was ascetic but associatives with Testarossa don't exist.

[Dwlee99]

I am guessing that HEM lied about blocking me N1 but probably did N3 to see if I was the last WW because he wanted to make the game mafia-dominated.

[Dwlee99]

I think HEM true claimed his N3 action to reduce the pool of possible wolves to eliminate.

[Dwlee99]

There is a world where A50 claimed PT cop on Nero because Titus role copped Nero as a neighbor hmmm

[Dwlee99]

I think kill ythan (Andres and Ythan's play completely deserves to be eliminated)

If ythan is wolf then reeval. If ythan is mafia then Nero is our wolf.

[Dwlee99]

And if ythan is town then scum are going to need to cross kill to prevent a draw. A50/Cyrus thoughts on the plan?

[Dwlee99]

Okay unless Cyrus objects I think we are good on the plan then

[Dwlee99]

So Nero you have any investigation results?

[Dwlee99]

Did everyone but Nero scumread my slot?

[Dwlee99]

Okay here's a proposal: there is scum in me/Nero unless A50 and Cyrus have fooled us. If we have killed correctly, then we win by killing ythan. If we have killed incorrectly, we go 2 v 1 v 1, in which case scum are forced to cross kill to prevent drawing with each other, and town wins anyway. Thoughts on killing Nero first?

[Dwlee99]

Actually, that means it's Nero/ythan

[Dwlee99]

Associatives/roleblock show I'm not werewolf and associatives show I'm not mafia.

[Dwlee99]

If you're town and I'm evil, killing you here is throwing when I could get ythan today and get you tomorrow for a win.

[Dwlee99]

You know why I defended Titus, and it worked! Unless you think I have a death wish for my partners, you might want to rethink that.

[Dwlee99]

Also one-shot motion detector sounds fake.

[Dwlee99]

I almost certainly would get you tomorrow if we killed ythan today when ythan (probably) flips mafia and we are werewolf hunting.

Pedit: y'all have powers cause you're evil

[Dwlee99]

Who is more likely to flip werewolf: person roleblocked when solo werewolf made a kill, or the person who tunneled Titus through a guilty on a werewolf

[Dwlee99]

Except if you flip town, Ythan has to kill me to win. And I have to kill him to win. So town wins assuming there is scum in me/you.

[Dwlee99]

Nero how confident are you in Cyrus and A50 town?

[Dwlee99]

Im waiting for A50/Cyrus to give their thoughts on the plan homie.

[Dwlee99]

A50 claimed 1-shot.

[Dwlee99]

I'm surprised you don't remember that cause he guiltied you and I wasn't there.

[Dwlee99]

Cyrus you literally caught Nero, what are you doing?

[Dwlee99]

He said why he blocked me: he didn't trust his ability to read me. Unless I'm mega awesome brain outplaying here, HEM conftowned me with his red flip.

But you caught Nero when I skimmed ISOs when you said he doesn't feel like town Nero.

[Dwlee99]

Buddying by telling him off... Yes

[Dwlee99]

I'm town neighbor. A50 is PT cop. ythan/Nero are the last evils.

[Dwlee99]

"Dwlee fooled people in a mini normal" so assuming I'm evil is an extremely lazy way to scumread me.

[Dwlee99]

1.) I'm confirmed not werewolf
2.) How do I make sense as mafia?

[Dwlee99]

1.) I'm confirmed not werewolf
2.) How do I make sense as mafia?

[Dwlee99]

Do people forget when Titus claimed a guilty on Testarossa (full role cop) and Nero just continued chugging along on arc and Titus?

[Dwlee99]

Do people forget when Titus claimed a guilty on Testarossa (full role cop) and Nero just continued chugging along on arc and Titus?

as did i your point. i wasnt buyinhg to rolecops. but i also said hem was bad . and you tried to make me think rb was town or some one did.

I said that it is possible for a roleblocker to be any alignment because that is just true.

[Dwlee99]

OK, this is quite confusing (and a bit scary to be honest).

@Dwlee: Why are we complicating matters? You agree Ythan is "anti-Town" here. Right? We get him and we go into the night as 3-1 and are guaranteed to see the light tomorrow, then you can have it with Nero all you like. WHY risk going into the night as 2-1-1? And who says scum "have to" cross kill?? What if they decided to go for a joint win over our dead bodies?

I don't think the mafia and werewolf teams can win together. But that argument is more hypothetical than practical: assuming you and Cyrus aren't bad (which is what I am betting the next day phase on anyway), I know Nero is evil, and from his perspective me. Killing in us if we are correct means ythan dies next, which wins for town, but if we choose incorrectly it doesn't actually mean we lose necessarily because scum cross killing mechanics.

I don't even get how you got the idea in the first place. Weren't you the one who started the day with the conclusion ythan was evil?? Why change now?

Yes and I'm still okay with that. I just think if you and Cyrus are okay with my logic here that we can kill Nero first.

Also 2214 is bad, because the same applies to Nero. You're both trying to get each other, so why is it suicidal for Scum!you to lim Town!Nero and not vice versa?

He isn't trying to lim me today, which I think is fairly obvious, because he knows ythan and him will cross kill.

I certainly am not defending Nero here, but I feel kinda spooky at his plan, and given in your last "Scum appearance" with me you really took me for a ride I just want to go by the safest route and hope to be shot tonight to spare me from being in the final 3. I almost never make the right decision in those.

@cyrus: You're playing my paranoia here. You were there when this happened:

The mafia consisting of Dwlee99 (Complex Fruit Vendor), Bambi Jay (Mafia Goon), and cyrus62 (Mafia Goon) has won!

Now what am I supposed to do??

You should consider whether scum!dwlee would risk being night killed here rather than just killing Nero tomorrow. You were openly saying that I am just not evil, so taking you to ELO against Nero would have almost certainly just resulted in me winning if I'm evil. So why change plans and risk being night killed by ythan?

If you still want to kill ythan that is fine, but you should consider that trying to kill Nero here just does not make sense from a scum perspective (unless ythan is town).

[Dwlee99]

We can do ythan first. Sorry if me thinking I had a way to make this more mech secure made you paranoid of me? Also I'm a neighbor, checking me would have been worthless.

[Dwlee99]

As a whole response to your points: I think ythan's flip will show that I am not final scum because in my solve ythan flips mafia here.

[Dwlee99]

I also want to say that the world where ythan is not evil is extremely cursed and fmpov implies Cyrus is evil.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: ythan

[Dwlee99]

Also also: Cyrus has no reason to actually scumread me other than 1.) Kitty has a scummy playstyle and 2.) I won that mini normal. And I think mainly the second one. Completely ready to throw because he can't be bothered to try to read me, which is extremely frustrating.

[Dwlee99]

Also also also: if I was mafia I would have aimed for the wolf through yesterday's elimination. That is, murderizing Nero with HEM. I think if I push Nero yesterday with HEM then Nero would be dead, and given HEM's push I think HEM was fairly certain that Nero was evil (probably by one of the mafia's roles). Killing Nero (assuming he is wolf which is extremely likely) would have meant today is ELO with HEM and me, and we would have been able to just say "kill ythan" and win.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: KittyTacky

> Votes me because I'm the third vote in the wagon.
> Obviously, scum makes wagons.
> And not only that, scum often makes wagons 3 pages in.
> I'm not even the third vote in the wagon.

This is what it looks like when scum is trying to fake a reason to vote 4 pages in.

Also x4: this isn't how scum interact.

Also x5: Nero has been aiming to call me a wolf rather than mafia. I wonder why that would be, almost like he knows ythan will flip last mafia and we are going to a "who is wolf"-off.

[Dwlee99]

Just no

[Dwlee99]

I stopped scumreading you because Nero being wolf became inevitable with arc/HEM flip.

[Dwlee99]

I don't make sense as mafia or as wolf here. I'm just town.

[Dwlee99]

This is a large multiball game, there could have been a green roleblocker. Nero and I have been talking in the hood, ythan hardly touches it. Before I joined the game the hood also remained almost entirely unused.

I honestly don't even know what your point is about me.

[Dwlee99]

The unchanging constant of the world is my role pm.

[Dwlee99]

I'm treating Cyrus as town in part because Nero has a motion detector result N1 from him that says he didn't move, and I think a goon would make the kill or he should have some PR as scum.

[Dwlee99]

Okay so you are trying to continue the trend?

[Dwlee99]

Okay we follow A50's direction then.

[Dwlee99]

Losing is cringe, I would never

[Dwlee99]

I played with ythan recently after he replaced into a conftown slot. He kind of just lurked it out but I figured it was because he was confirmed and never really got into the game. That Andres and ythan both did this though is just scum though imo. On the off chance it flips town, I think Cyrus and Nero know that they're the final two and will have to go at it.

[Dwlee99]

For this man's sanity someone hammer please

[Dwlee99]

Nero why did you kill me?

[Dwlee99]

Nero why did you kill me?

I didn't like your attempt @ manipulation. I concluded that it was mostly NAI but yeah....i had sorta felt like your push to try to get me voted out over ythan yesterday was scum that wanted me dead and then getting the EZ elimination the next day.

Okay but I was right though.

[Dwlee99]

Well, about it being better for you to not kill me anyway. I thought it was Cyrus not a50. Didn't expect a mafia traffic analyst.

[Dwlee99]

we also rolecopped a50 so I knew he was lying wich I should have known was a gulity but I'm just dumb and bad I suppose.

Painful

Town probably doesn't deserve the win but meh