Welcome back to playing games!
Mature Mafia: Game Over
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
Judging from the fact that zu self-revealed and coron is in charge of vote counts, it seems that various game-related chores (mod duties) have been parceled out to players.
I think this is because we are so mature.
:whoopie cushion:Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
I am pretty sure the first line zu wrote was "I am out of the game." Then something like "I was vanilla townsperson."
I don't know if zu edited his post or someone else, but I would bet it is a non-native English speaker by the grammar. "May do" is not normal phrasing.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
I believe we are playing a modless game.Adel wrote: By mature mafia, does that mean that we are effectivly playing a mod-less game where we have to come together like adults and agree upon what rules we will follow? Can we realisiticly expect the scum to agree in good faith?
Or is there a hidden set of rules, and one player (presumably scum) is allowed to edit posts? That would be an important thing to know.
Coron sauid something about posting a votecount later, which led me to suspect that we are alone here without a moderator. If this is the case then the basic parameters of this game are the functions of the forum software and whatever we agree to.
The mod has given us roles to police the game ourselves, and chosen us as the sort of people to play fairly without supervision.
Some reasons I think we are modless: before the game started I pm'ed the mod a question and the answer was essentially "you are a big girl, figure it out for yourself."
Also, part of my role includes a mod duty. I can reveal what that is now or at some later point, but I don't think it matters too much at the moment. So I won't say unless the majority wants to know what it is. The point is, after seeing Coron is in charge of the VC, and knowing my role duty, I think the game could conceivably run without mod intervention.
I think agreeing on some rules would be helpful. If everyone in this game can't agree to refrain from editing posts or deleting posts, then they should excuse themselves from the game. There are other things to agree upon also.
If there is anyone in this game who cannot or will not proceed with a modless game, YOU NEED TO RESIGN FROM THE GAME.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
Axel, I am aware of the game with vollkan lying about his revealed role.
If you read the thread, vollkan agrees that he was wrong to lie, because he was not acting as his role at that moment. He was acting as mod.
SO... when I said before this is a modless game, I think that is the wrong way to look at it.
We have to play like we are all mods. A mod would not lie about the alignment of a player, even if that player were themselves. Because they are acting as mod.
So we all must agree to be mods of this game.
Along the lines of what Glork is saying...
I might as well reveal what exactly I know about game mechanics here. I think it will help clear some things up and prepare everyone for today's lynch. My role includes, but may or may not be limited to:
Executioner. When one player reaches majority for lynch, I PM them and they must immediately self-reveal in thread.
If I die, I don't know if the executioner duty will be given to someone else. So we have to all agree to self-reveal if we are voted to a lynch. Even while I am alive, someone could refuse to reveal even after I PM them. So, we all have to agree.
And remember, when you self-reveal you are acting as mod, and not as your player role. So you must be honest.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
I am unsure whether the people railing against our self-policing are likely to be scum or town. I think it is not productive though. I would consider anyone who cheats to have lost themselves the game. I'm not really scared that people are going to abuse the freedom we have been given. Perhaps I am too much of an optimistic, trusting person.
But basically, you have to accept that there is the possibility that people will cheat, and play or not play on those terms. There is nothing we can do about it other than decide not to play.
Also, I think mathcam needs another vote at the moment. What are you afraid will happen without a normal mod? Just by playing on this forum we agree to play by the normal rules. What are you so scared of? Or are you just trying to act like a townie who thinks the scum won't follow the rules?
unvote; vote mathcamTalk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
Is it possible that zu faul editted his own post and therefor nobody in here has even broken rules? Is it possible that whoever editted the post did so as part of their role and therefor didn't break the rules?mathcam wrote:
Do the normal rules include editing posts? Do you think that whoever chose to edit the first post is deliberately breaking our perceived rules of the game?elvis wrote: Also, I think mathcam needs another vote at the moment. What are you afraid will happen without a normal mod? Just by playing on this forum we agree to play by the normal rules.
Do you really think the editting of the first post has injured the town in any way?
I know in theory that editting a post is bad, and we don't want to lose info or anything like that. But we did see the original post. We know zu is town and that he is dead. How have we been harmed?Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
It's the first bandwagon... it's useful later, but who knows what it means now? I haven't answered your question because 1)I am on the wagon and didn't know you wanted wagoners to answer 2)I have no idea yet.Glork wrote: Anybody who does not provide an answer is either unwilling to try to analyze the first bandwagon of the game, or they are simply unwilling to provide an answer to my question.
You analysis is premature, and is stopping the normal course of the wagon. Attention is now off cam.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
My point is why are you resisting? There is nothing you can do about it other than to not play if you don't trust the players. It's like you're trying to act like townie scared the scum will abuse the setup. Abuse isn't very likely, and also impossible to stop.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
Was I aware there were three votes on mathcam when I voted him? Yes.logicticus wrote: EK, were you aware that there were only 3 on him prior to that vote because you seem eager to get a claim out of him and then possibly hammer.
We were getting sidetracked by bitching and moaning about self-modding setup and such and we needed to get back to playing mafia. Since mathcam was one of the ones bitching and moaning, I thought he was good place to vote. First of all, because the bitching and moaning was taking attention off of him, second because the bitching and moaning seems like an attempt to look townish. I say it's an attempt because I am not convinced it actually has any pro-town effects, but looks pro-town if you don't think about it.
Eager for claim and hammer? What good is a bandwagon if you don't seem like you want the person dead?
And see how everyone is posting and voting? This is good. The game is getting exciting. It's going places.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
Glork, there have been some times I thought you were pretty pro-town this game, but I have questions about why you are doing some of the things you're doing. I'm not really saying they're scummy. I just think there are some inconsistencies:
1) Glork bandwagons DGB without letting cam answer her vote/case.
Even if you don't really like DGB's reasons, usually you would want to hear what cam has to say before you dilute their power. I mean, I think cam can speak for himself. And you should want to hear what cam has to say so you can get a better read on him, right?
2) Glork focuses on DGB over any of the other bandwagoners...
Raj and macros voted cam after DGB, and their reasoning is at least as bad. You mentioned macros is on your bad list, but you are not questioning raj or macros and their actions. Why?
3) DBG always plays like this.
Why are you getting so worked up if you are familiar with her meta? Is there something that you think doesn't fit in her meta?Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
Although I don't really like some of Glork's behavior, I don't really think he's scum. Mostly because of this post:
This mechanism of mafia submitting kills seems very likely. It immediately made sense to me, and I can't actually think of a better way for it to go down. And I guess this is WIFOM, but I can't see any real mafioso posting this. I know a mafioso could do it for that exact reason, etc. BUT. I think it's pretty unlikely. If it were me, I would avoid commenting on mafia killing mechanisms at all. The potential for getting myself in trouble is just too great.Glork wrote:DISCLAIMER: The upcoming post does not necessarily reflect what my own role may or may not be/include. I am merely using it as the simplest example I can think of off the top of my head, so as to make a point to Axel.
Consider the case of a mountainous game (aside from "mod powers" such as VCing). At night, the Mafia could simply PM their target saying something along the lines of "We are killing you. Please open the thread and reveal your role to the other players" -- perhaps even from an alt/anonymous account. The deceased player (n this case, Zu_Faul) complies, and the rest of us move on with our lives.
In the absence of a "killer" alt for PMing purposes, a situation such as the above example would create an interesting scenario in which the scums would have to rely on victims' honesty to not reveal their identities while the town relies on the scums to reveal themselves truthfully and to adhere to conventional game rules.
Thoughts?Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
Yeah but revealing it has so much potential for slipping or people being like "how do you know that" that I don't think mafia would reveal it.
I would just stay away if I was mafia.
Would you think about revealing it?Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
Sort of funny how you posted a few hours after I called you a lurker.mathcam wrote:I am not lurking. I missed a single day of posting, and am one of the most active posters in this game.FOS: Elvisfor that.
The way you are alluding to the way your role/allignment is set up satisfies me.mathcam wrote:On a related note, I'm very suspicious of Glork, raj, and DGB for pushing for a claim. In my role PM, there is a very clearly delineated difference between my alignment and my role. There's no doubt that I will claim pro-town as my alignment, and given that my role is presumably independent of my alignment, I'm not sure what there is to gain from that either. Not only is it therefore bad play to claim (unnecessarily giving away information), it's also scummy to push for a claim. It's also possible that the scum role/alignment structure is set up differently, and thus that scum didn't know how worthless it would be to push for a claim. Raj is the scummiest of those three, so he gets my vote.
Unvote: Pooky, vote: Raj.
If raj turns up scum, DGB and Glork are quite clearly going to become my next targets.
Cam
unvote cam; vote raj
Although, I am not seeing the raj/DGB/Glork connection.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
raj... when I first came back I was stupider about mafia than before. However, now I think I am back to my old form.
I'm not voting you for asking cam to claim. I did that too, which he seems not to notice...
I actually thought it was pretty weird you accepting the cam-glork-Macros scum group so easily.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
As far as I know, he is not an alt, but an uninvited guest.Adel wrote:
whose alt is Shadow Lurker? rajrhcpfreak?ShadowLurker wrote:but someone has already broken that honor multiple times as the first two posts have been edited multiple timesTalk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
It's not that I buy your argument about claiming. It's something about how you alluded to how your claim is set up that made me unvote you.mathcam wrote: Let me ask you, elvis -- given that you seem to buy my argument about claiming, why would you ask me to claim in the first place?
I expect that someone should have been given the task of deleting non-player posts. I ask that that person delete jathan's posts now, and send him a pm to stop posting here as it is distracting us from the game.mathcam wrote:
Personally, I suspect that there is more to it than that. Either he's a by-product of someone's role, or it's something like emp_tyger has asked him to post in the thread to test us. It's tough to know what to do here -- a "mature" player in the sense we've been interpreting it would PM mith and ask for SL to be given a warning or a banning for so blatantly breaking the rules of the forum. I'm reluctant to take this social experiment to a site-wide level, though.elvis wrote: As far as I know, he is not an alt, but an uninvited guest.
If nobody has been assigned the task, I would do it if everyone wanted me to/agreed.
I don't believe Jathan is screwing with us because Emptyger told him to, or that Jathan is a by-product of a role. Seems far-fetched to me, and not fair considering the other stuff we have to deal with in this game.
Actually, I do have a question: JATHAN... did you edit any posts in this game?Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
I think shadowlurker is a red herring and whoever has the ability should modkill/delete his posts.
It is very weird to me that people are thinking he is somehow part of the game. If you know something, spill it. Otherwise, Jathan is just a punk distracting us.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
I agree about Adel. I don't see why people want you dead, DGB. I think you were unfairly singled out about the mathcam wagon.DrippingGoofball wrote:And then, there's the Adel problem. Have you noticed how profoundly daft her more recent post is? I have.
I do not support DGB wagon.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
Hmmm... Macros - what did your deleted post say?
I suggest we don't reread anything in this game as it can be easily tainted.
I would feel okay about going forward off memory. I don't like rereading anyway (and prefer not to do it).
(Or I guess we can copy the whole game every day and look for changes. But honestly, I am never going to do that. If anyone else wants to... go for it).Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
Are you sure DGB misrepresented the VC? I think cam was at L-1 at one point. DGB did continue to tell cam to claim because he was at L-1, but that's not as horrible if cam was at L-1 at one point.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
I DID NOT WRITE THIS.mathcam wrote:
I think it's too early to say I want him to be lynched. I want him to convince me why he shouldn't be lynched, or fail miserably in doing so, so that I can tell whether or not he is the right lynch. His role claim seems pretty irrelevant, and if he ends up not being lynched, I'd rather it remained secret, so no, I don't want him to claim.Elvis wrote: So wait, you are voting for Raj., but you don't want him to claim?
You just want him to be lynched?
CamTalk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
I remember someone saying
But it was not me. I think it may have been DGB, but I don't remember, and I can't find anyone having said it. Has it been deleted?So wait, you are voting for Raj., but you don't want him to claim?
You just want him to be lynched?
Cam, did you make a mistake in your posting, or did you really think I said that?Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
Good point.PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I am voting for Cam based on:
I added Bolding myself for emphasis.cam wrote:On a related note, I'm very suspicious of Glork, raj, and DGB for pushing for a claim. In my role PM, there is a very clearly delineated difference between my alignment and my role.There's no doubt that I will claim pro-town as my alignment, and given that my role is presumably independent of my alignment, I'm not sure what there is to gain from that either. Not only is it therefore bad play to claim (unnecessarily giving away information), it's also scummy to push for a claim. It's also possible that the scum role/alignment structure is set up differently, and thus that scum didn't know how worthless it would be to push for a claim. Raj is the scummiest of those three, so he gets my vote.
You should be voting him too
Unless you got your alignment as "protown"
Unless he was just making general statement.
Glork is right. Cam needs to claim his allignment exactly. NOW.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
I think it is perfectly mature and ethical to ask you to verify one word from your pm. The choice of term here is important. It is not asking you to quote your pm. It is asking you for one word. I see nothing potentially illegal in that.
Or as DGB has said, claim the last letter of the word.
P sure cam is scum now.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
Mathcam, I think this is BS.
If I were a cop, I wouldn't object to verifying the term "cop." People who are cops don't need to claim "investigatory role" so that they are not quoting their PM.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
But, cam, how are we supposed to evaluate if you wrote "pro-town allignment" before because you were purposefully being general, or because you don't know what the correct term is?Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
Okay maybe I can convince you by appealing to your sense of ethics...
Suppose you are right. Asking you for your allignment term is a form of pm quoting and gives town an unfair advantage.
We have already had scum take an unfair advantage by editing the first two posts and deleting one of macros' posts... and who knows what else. I am assuming scum is doing this. If you are a pro-town role and you did any of it, speak now.
How are we to proceed in a game where scum are cheating?
Answer: cheat the scum. Level the playing field. The price they have to pay for post editing is losing a member of their team through this allignment test.
In a normal game with a normal mod... scum cheating might pay a pentalty of modkill. That is essentially what we would be doing.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
Don't resign from the game because I suggested something. I didn't actually do anything, but suggested a means of policing this game. We should only do it if everyone agrees.Adel wrote: if anyone goes along with your approach elvis, I shall resign from this game in protest. I don't want to play in a game with cheaters, even if we share an alignment. Stop it.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
I think it's very immature of you to threaten to modkill yourself after I make a suggestion you don't like.
Yet when I say I wouldn't like to play in a game with a cheating mod, you suggest I replace myself with someone more mature.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
Why do you keep insulting me?Adel wrote:You may be town in this game, but I am beginning to suspect that you are scum in real life.
This is totally out of line.
I may have made a bad suggestiong. You can disagree with me. You can convince me I am wrong. I know I am not always right. I don't pretend to be.
But why you feel the need to tell me that I am scum in real life is beyond me.
It really hurts my feelings.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
I suggested a solution to what I thought was scum cheating. It was an effort to make this game FAIR. It was not an effort to work around the rules to win for the town. It was an effort to make the game fair.
I wish I had never signed up for this game.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
Every one of Adel's interpretations of my post are based on an assumption that I am scum.
You can't assume someone is scum and then read their posts that way. You have to read their posts first and come to the conclusion that they are scum.
FWIW, I would never insult someone as a means of applying psychological pressure. I think it makes the game less fun, and I would never want to do that to anyone.
I object very strongly to personal insults in a game. And I think what Adel has done is much much worse than my possibly horrible suggestion to "cheat" as a means of making the game fair.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
Forum Rules and Guidelines wrote:You should not make any post, or start any thread, with the intention of abusing, ridiculing, insulting, offending, or upsetting any other user on this site. Within a game, criticism of another player's play is acceptable - making it personal is not, and may result in action by the moderator of that game. Outside a game, determination of the intention of the poster will be made by mith, or someone appointed by mith.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
I'm really not following...Adel wrote:
I quoted all of those lines from you because they collectively establish your guilt. You responded to the lines, then had a second response when you figured out just how literally honest Zu was. And you wrote all of that stuff establishing your position on cheating... and then you pretended to be willing to cheat to lynch scum.elvis_knits wrote:Adel, so you think that because I remembered zu's post correctly that I must be scum??
I responded to what lines with what response and then had a second response which was what? And how do you think it proves that I had some sort of epiphany about zu's original post?
Also, my previous position on cheating was that I didn't think it would happen, and if it did there was nothing we could do about it other than quit the game. So we should just continue to play the game. Well, I thought of something we could do about it. IF we believe the scum is cheating, and IF we are reasonably sure they are, we could consider a type of town cheat -- IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE THE GAME FAIR. It is not cheating just because I want to win.
And you're really framing all my actions in a way that is totally unsupported. "Pretending to be willing to cheat." You have no idea if I was pretending or not, and nothing I have said supports your statement. You're framing everything based on your theory and assumption that I am scum.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
I apologize if my suggestion to "cheat" has drained this game of fun for anyone. It was meant in good faith as a means to make the game fair.
I am not suspicious of cam at this point.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
If it will make you feel better... okay!
Macros, the pace of the site has slowed a lot since you last played. It's true that the days can drag on way too long and people indecisive. But, don't give up! Just join DGB's Free Firing Squad today!Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown
-
-
elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Queen of Rock'n'Purl
- Posts: 8610
- Joined: October 13, 2005
- Location: Puppytown