mini #585 - A Tempest Has Formed (Over), Thanks Patrick!!

[Evilgorrilaz]

/confirmizzle

[Evilgorrilaz]

Vote: Gaspode

Bandwagoning in this post.

[Evilgorrilaz]

@Hypatia
You don't believe in it?
And can you change ur avatar, it freaks me out T_T

[Evilgorrilaz]

Now I think he meant to vote for Cream. This was equally abrupt. What say you mellowed?

I'll agree with that.

Unvote, Vote: Mellowed Man

[Evilgorrilaz]

FOS: CoheedCambria. The "no tells" and "discussion" posts are both small tells in themselves.

Disagree. The most we could discern from that is that he is trying to push the day and getting impatient, which is already a stretch.

FOS: marmalade and EvilGorrillaz. Random-voting someone who can't post doesn't do much good, in my opinion. And EvilGorrillaz seems quite bandwagon happy.

We are supposed to know you can't post? -.-
Also, how are we supposed to get discussion going if we don't apply any pressure?

Also: why was the vote count included in populartajo's post? It caused me some major confusion

The mod edits the top post of every page so we can always have a semi-up-to-date vote count that can easily be located.

[Evilgorrilaz]

Yes, you were supposed to know I couldn't post--I mentioned on page one that I was going to be in Scotland with little or no access from Tuesday to Thursday.

AHHHH SRRY
I tend not to read the posts in the conformation phase, so I guess I missed it. =p

[Evilgorrilaz]

I would advise not using an excuse of the type "I am not experienced, and therefore sorry for my mistake."

Agreed. Please do not use newbieness as an excuse in this game. Also, lynch all lurkers np

Vote Count:

2 mellowed man (Evilgorrilaz, Cream147)
1 Gaspode (Marmalade)
1 alvinz95 (iamausername)
1 Evilgorrilaz (populartajo)
1 marmalade (alvinz95)
1 CoheedCambria09 (Mellowed Man)

[Evilgorrilaz]

Alvinz, please explain why I deserve an FoS, even though you say urself that bandwagons early really mean little. Oh, and how am I wagon hyper?

Populartajo, I am not going to bring meta into this game, so don't ask me about my previous games, unless you want to go and look them up yourself.
Also, do you think that newbiness is an ok excuse for scummy play?

[Evilgorrilaz]

Can you explain your aversion to metagaming?

I don't like it.

I find it interesting that you comment on Alvinz FoS, but not Cambria's (unexplained) vote.

Zzzz. I missed that.\

FoS: CoheedCambria09

Joke?

Smiley?
Anyways, its just that I hate lurkers

And your early vote for MellowedMan wasn't a stretch? Seriously, this feels a bit odd.

As I said before, it was trying to get some discussion going.

[Evilgorrilaz]

@alvinz
IMO too early for rundowns. Not enough content to go on.

For anyone who has jumped on me for the lynch all lurkers thing....
JOKE. God damn look at that cute smiley.

@Marmalade
I don't like meta because I play differently in every game, so I might get my ass lynched if people start bringing up my games.

[Evilgorrilaz]

ASDFSADGFFgfDFsd
Stop using complicated words Gaspode, like pretentious. I cannot comprehend it. Unless thats how Brits talk.

Anyways onto serious stuff
Gaspode, I'm kinda confused. In the course of 10 minutes, you went from really wanting to vote to wanting to force yourself to vote. Explain please.

[Evilgorrilaz]

As for wanting versus wanting to force myself, I don't see much difference. I would like to cast a vote to move the game along, but cannot make a decision. Within the next couple of days, I will force myself to make that decision. What's so confusing?

First post seemed like you wanted to vote for someone (as in you already had someone in mind), second one seemed like you weren't too sure, but would force yourself to do so anyways.

[Evilgorrilaz]

Also, to our avatar challenged: kindly get one. It helps to distinguish you from the throng, 'specially in larger games. Look at the Reservoir Dogs one that I rock. Isn't it cool Cool

You owe me for this.

[Evilgorrilaz]

I'm still kind of curious why everyone describes me as "wagon happy".
If I was wagon happy, then I would be on the alvinz wagon, but I am not. Honestly, alvinz's play comes off more like excited townie (power role maybe?).

I dont like Evilgorrilaz, Mellowed Man.

Do you suspect me and mellow to be a scumpair, or just don't like our current play?

[Evilgorrilaz]

most scummy so far is Evilgorrilaz

So you still believe me to be the most scummy, even though the main argument against me is now moot?

[Evilgorrilaz]

EDWOP
I have a limited vocabulary, so I don't know if I used moot properly T_T
Also, thats why I don't know pretentious. Blame it on the American education system.

[Evilgorrilaz]

It's not necessarily the wagon happy reason, I personally just have a bad feeling about you, It's just how I feel.

Explain.

Vote Count:

3 Evilgorrilaz (populartajo, iamausername, CoheedCambria09)
2 Alvinz95 (Mellowed Man, Gaspode)
1 mellowed man (Evilgorrilaz)
1 Gaspode (Marmalade)


With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to reach majority.

[Evilgorrilaz]

EDWOP = EBWOP
I can't type =p

[Evilgorrilaz]

I agree with iamausername about your idea to get everyone say the most townly and most scummy. To me, that's most useful to the scum as they can collect information such as 'Who shall we nightkill' and 'Who shall we scapegoat next'.

Rundowns do not necessarily give a path for the scum. As a matter of fact, often scum are intelligent enough to deduce who we think is town by a mere who we think is scummy list.

[Evilgorrilaz]

We as in the people in this game

[Evilgorrilaz]

(obviously a joke, albeit a bad one),

DON'T DISS MY JOKES
Also, how does a refusal to metagame seem scummy?

[Evilgorrilaz]

I find most of cream's arguments against alvinz in 150 stretching.

All you've done here is say how this is only a small fos. Well if I just randomly gave someone a small fos, what would you say? I would say that was COMPLETELY uncalled for. You still haven't defended your reasoning for giving that small fos, which was, as I said, poor. You attempt to make me look stupid but still don't actually defend yourself. It's quite a sneaky way of deflecting pressure, and certainly nothing that is useful to the town.

I am pretty sure a FoS can have a poor reason behind it. FoS's can be based on nothing but getting bad vibes.

[Evilgorrilaz]

Unvote, Vote: Cream147

As I've mentioned, I'm withdrawing out of my argument with alvinz. I agree with the general consensus that there really is no point now. I've read through your reply to my reply alvinz though, and I could very easily argue most of it. I will mention that my 4 reasons includes 2 reasons related to elias, 1 about the small fos, and then the one about your ask for most townly and most scummy. I only bothered replying this much because I don't want to look like a liar. However, the argument is now futile, and is telling us nothing except arguing over little details. My vote remains on you for now.

I am getting bad vibes from this. You seem to be saying, "okay my argument was pretty petty, but you still get my vote." I might be misinterpreting it, but that is what it seems like to me.

I kinda think that the recent conversation between alvinz and cream has been bussing. Anyone agree with that?

[Evilgorrilaz]

My votes stayed on him, and I didn't think I had to continually justify why its there.

Did you read the part where Gaspode admitted calling me "wagon happy" was not exactly true?

What I really meant was, I still think my original argument is fair, however, our subsequent messages are worthless, because they are essentially arguing over little details. I still think alvinz is worth a vote.

Meh. I need to learn to read.

Unvote

Honestly, I see alvinz's reactions more as panicky town than anything else.
Anyways WHERE IN THE WORLD IS CARMEN SAN DIEGO? (where is everyone T_T)

[Evilgorrilaz]

Marmalade, why are you so forthright in defending Evilgorrilaz? (all of the quotes in your last post pertained to my vote against him) Its one vote, I dont really have any leads on anyone else, so I'm going with my gut feeling, which, points to Evilz.

Why are you pushing for my lynch when all you have is a gut feeling?

[Evilgorrilaz]

No.

[Evilgorrilaz]

FoS: Matt_S and populartajo

Matt_S misses the base on Cream's argument with alvinz.
populartajo, you say that using WIFOM is okay. So are you allowed to defend yourself illogically when everyone else has to use logic?

[Evilgorrilaz]

He votes for me to pressure me. All OK with him.
I might be doing the same thing and Im silly.
ORLY?

Seems silly because its more of an OMGUS way.

[Evilgorrilaz]

If you think the vote for Matt_s was an OMGUS one or even an extension of this, then the silly are you. Really.

No, I am not saying it was OMGUS, just that it had an OMGUS element to it. More along the lines of "how can you not see this?" kind of reasoning.

[Evilgorrilaz]

weak logic + strange attacks = scummy in my book.

Weak logic =/= scum.

if the no voters would vote for someone, who would it be.

I would vote for alvinz, but not sold on his case yet. I wholeheartedly disagree with his excuses, but not enough that I think he deserves another vote. Cream wouldn't be that bad of a vote either.

[Evilgorrilaz]

No access until Wednesday
Just finished my AP comp gov test, need to study for AP calc bc, comp sci, and stat.

[Evilgorrilaz]

I don't like how MM keeps coping out (is that the right word?).

But I see iamausername's strategy as sort of valid. I mean, you can't really develop a case against someone unless that person is actually posting right?

[Evilgorrilaz]

@Elias
Lucky bastard, my parents are making me go to school on days I don't have AP's.

And starting this Saturday, gonna have almost no access until Next Thursday, AP Bio, English Language, Microeconomics, and macroeconomics.

[Evilgorrilaz]

IT's a toss up between Cream and Coheed at the moment,a nd since Coheed is AFK for the next ten days, I can't very well vote him, can I?

If I was scum and someone quasi defended me by saying "well let's let him get away with it until he gets back" - do you think I would make any effort to 'come back'

Can you explain to me your sudden change of heart?

[Evilgorrilaz]

I will agree with Gaspode on this case: we need to lynch somebody. I want to vote for coheed, but am waiting on his return.

[Evilgorrilaz]

Huh.
Interesting.
Matt_s just moved up a bit on my scumlist since he did appear to be fishing for a mason claim. I don't see the deflection of tomorrows lynch though. Wouldn't we still find him suspicious since he is indeed pushing the MM wagon so hard (assuming a MM lynch today)? Don't know about the burden of proof, people still throw around the word prove when they mean they want evidence.

Neutral on MM's recent posts, has done something I really don't like, but otherwise has made good points.

Waiting for alvinz and coheed before I vote.

[Evilgorrilaz]

Well my target just left.

Scum list (In no particular order):
CoheedCambria
Alvinz
Cream

Deciding between Alvinz and Cream, my vote would have gone to Cream if Alvinz hadn't started acting scummy all over again.

[Evilgorrilaz]

Can you show me this scummy behavior?

Top of the page.

[Evilgorrilaz]

So Evilgorrilaz, give reasons rather than just following the crowd and trying to blend in.

Exactly. Look at how you jumped on me for lack of reasoning, deeming it scummy. Now look at what alvinz has to say.

There isn't much of a difference between poor reasoning and lack of reasoning. It isn't scummy either.

[Evilgorrilaz]

Again, Evilgorrilaz said that Cream was scummy, and that he did want to vote for him. He admitted this. Yet he says that he didn't vote him just because somebody else looked scummy.

Because I have 1 vote. If I had two votes, I would be voting for both of them. You are getting on my nerves. Jeez, now I am going to decide between you, cream, and alvinz.

Overall what are you trying to say? I got lost in your words.... Confused

I am sort of confused too. Skruffs, can you explain the second part a bit more? The last sentence makes me scratch my head.

[Evilgorrilaz]

Only change since I last posted my list:
Matt_S:
Was sorta suspicious with mason claim, now even more suspicious because of post 403, seems to me like he is trying to deflect suspicion onto me with craplogic.

[Evilgorrilaz]

Urgh.
I guess ill put a temporary vote on tajo to get him to stop fishing and post.

Unvote, Vote: Populartajo

And where is coheed? Thought he was supposed ot be back today.

[Evilgorrilaz]

Welcome back!

Unvote, Vote: Coheed. No more lurking, please.

QFT

[Evilgorrilaz]

And evilz why do you think I'm so scummy?

Post above you.

Unvote

I like the latest post by tajo.

[Evilgorrilaz]

Coheed, its Wenedsday.

Waiting for your post.

[Evilgorrilaz]

...

Vote: CoheedCambria09

Yay for misconstruing Cream's reasons for his pacifist play.

As much as I want to vote Cream that little tidbit misconstrues him in way scummier light than he should be in.

[Evilgorrilaz]

Its that girl from serial experiments lain

Lain Iwakura I think

[Evilgorrilaz]

Same to others who have decided let's vote Coheed because he lurks like crazy.

Did you read his vote on cream?

[Evilgorrilaz]

Bah, Skruffs. Accept your post was a lazy attempt to bring suspicions to me and Coheed. I have no idea why would you do that. Read the thread. Read my posts. All that I had to say was already said.

Hypocritical much?

[Evilgorrilaz]

@Tajo
Basically, in a lot of your recent posts you have been iterating "why do you suspect this" and "who do you think is scummy" even though the answers are often only a few posts back (most notably how you asked Gaspode what his case was even though he summed it up only a few posts back).

Not saying its really scummy, but its worth noting.

@Skruffs
I am a bit confused about your recent comments.

A few pages back, you were insistent on a Cream, Matt_S, and Alvinz scum group (or something like that).
1. Are those three acting any more townish?
2. Does tajo's and coheed's recent play appear so scummy that those two jumped over the previous three?
3. The town does not seem to wish to lynch any of the previously mentioned three, even though you want to, so you switched your suspicions onto someone who might be lynched? (Not likely but I have seen people switch their attention to someone else because their original target wasn't going to be lynched anytime soon)
4. Any combination of the above three reasons?

[Evilgorrilaz]

To the people who think I'm scum, I'm not. Mellowed must be pro-town because we arnt scum buddies, or atleast I know I'm not scum.

Wow. You basically claim mellowed is pro-town, but then say you don't know he is protown? How does that logic work?

[Evilgorrilaz]

Coheed's doing a very bad job of scumhunting. I also don't really see where the populartajo case came from. Would a no lynch be a good idea in this situation?

No. Maybe on a later date, but not on day 1. No matter who we end up lynching, we need the information from the lynch on day 1.

[Evilgorrilaz]

Mod: Votecount please?

[Evilgorrilaz]

I find myself in agreement with iamausername here.

20 pages for a day 1 is FAR too long, if the mod was here we would probably have already passed the deadline. People, stop being lynch shy and pick someone.

[Evilgorrilaz]

LMAO

Thats so mean -.-

Anyways 2 things:
1. Where is the mod? I don't think we are going to get anyhting done without a mod.
2. People you need to start being so lynch shy and decide upon a vote.

[Evilgorrilaz]

I really don't undestand the case on me right now, is it just because I've been busy and wasn't posting alot (lurking)? or did I do something else to make me so "scummy"

Read your case on cream.

[Evilgorrilaz]

Populartajo is not the right lynch.

Don't know if I should unvote. Its not I have that hard of a time believing his claim, but on the other hand I see almost 0 reason for him to claim. The only way him claiming right now would benefit the town would be if there was a doc and the scum would need to target the doc before targeting him. I also dislike the way he defended himself before the claim. If he was the real cop I would swear that he would be dropping cop hints. Also, a claim at fucking L-4. WTF is that? (Correct me if I am wrong here)

Honestly, I want to believe him, but there are so many things I object to in his claim.

[Evilgorrilaz]

Claiming cop being scum is a dumb play unless he wants to trade a cop for his life.

Honestly, I don't think thats THAT bad of a trade off. Also, there is the possibility there is no cop.

Also my main suspicions right now are cream and alvinz (assuming coheed to be cop).
Cream for this (and previously stated reasons, although I like his posts against coheed)

I didn't intend to lynch claimed cop day 2. They were all questions. Right...I'll trust what you say then Matt, as you are more experienced than I. In this case, I assume we target someone else. I also assume that we want doc (if there is one) to save coheed. I'm going to Unvote. Vote: Mellowed Man. I'm voting Mellowed Man for reasons I've stated before. He has had general vote jumpiness throughout this game, and has not backed up his votes with any logic. I consider Popular to be a worthy alternative.

I think we have already discussed this. If you read Mellowed's posts, there is a LOT of sense behind them, especially in the case against Matt_S. I don't think you have stated your reasons for having suspicion of tajo. Isn't that being a bit hypocritical?
Alvinz for this (and other previously stated reasons)

What iamausername, and Cream said. Worthless defense, bad scum move to just say, "Hey, you guys will be surprised and will feel bad when you lynch me!" And no, lurking is not a reason to lynch someone. Trying to drag to Day 2 is scummy as that is what scum want to do. Letting people do all the work and contributing little a bit. So far, since the wild argument with Cream, I've seen more protown play and my suspicions have dropped. So I'll unvote. I'll wait for more moves from Coheed.

What I find wrong with this is I get a "lets wait and see" approach here. Now, that alone isn't enough to warrant my suspicion, but combined with some of your previous play, I am getting scummy vibes from this.
Basically, to me it seems like you are being extremely opportunistic about coheed's lynch.

[Evilgorrilaz]

oh Yeah

Unvote

[Evilgorrilaz]

Evilgorrilaz, if I was opportunistic on Coheed's lynch, then wouldn't it make more sense If I had actually voted him?

Not you. Someone else, probably.

Just wondering, I've never been cop, so how do they give you the results? Do you just ask and they say, "soandso is a ______", or is it like "so-and-so is mafia, or town"?

Innocent/Guilty

[Evilgorrilaz]

NOT PATRICK

I cant stand to have skruffs and patrick in the same game, I get their avatars confused

[Evilgorrilaz]

ARe you sure that's not a "Let me try and push this back onto an easy wagon from earlier without actually contributing" post right there?

This time directed to Mellowed Man. I have no idea where that came from.

[Evilgorrilaz]

If you agreed with this line of thought, why did you say nothing about it the first time it was used?

Merely borrowing your quote

In all honesty I thought that by using your quote I was agreeing with your previous uses of the quote. But apparently I lack communication skills.

Vote: Mellowed Man

His last post basically sealed it for me. Also this day is dragging on. Quite honestly I share coheed's sentiment about wanting the game to go into night now. 24 pages for a day 1 is TOO LONG.

[Evilgorrilaz]

If you agreed with the previous incarnation of the quote, why did you not say anything against the people with which I used it?

Because everything that needed to be said was already said by you.

[Evilgorrilaz]

[quote-"Skruffs"]
Yet you ignored both of the players I directed it towards and instead joined them in voting Mellowed Man.
[/quote]
Indeed I did. Maybe because I think they are less scummy than MM?

[Evilgorrilaz]

Yes I thought your usage was correct. In hindsight, I was being a bit hypocritical by getting on the wagon. But I only got on the MM wagon after he had voted elias for no apparent reason that I could see. Wouldn't you call that scummy? Wouldn't that warrant a vote?

[Evilgorrilaz]

The impetus of both you and evilgorillaz seems to be to get MM to claim, and that's about all. Why?

I want him lynched, and it only seems logical that he should claim.

[Evilgorrilaz]

Gone until sunday, SAT's

[Evilgorrilaz]

Okay I failed my SATs.......

On another note:
If there is another town power role (like masons/watcher/tracker/vig) then I am willing to believe that there is a rolebocker. Else the setup would be too in favor of the town.

I am really doubting one of the claims from coheed/MM. How the hell do the first two people we ask to claim both claim power roles.

[Evilgorrilaz]

Looks like he knows for sure that Coheed & Mellowed's claims are true.

I don't see how thats possible. As far as I know, scum don't get a list of the townie role pms.

Unvote

[Evilgorrilaz]

I don't see the case vs. alvinz

[Evilgorrilaz]

Sorry been gone the past few days, RL being a pain. Rereading now.

[Evilgorrilaz]

Okay a few things to note: (All of these are assumptions, but they are highly plausible assumptions)
1) There is a rber (Rereading alvinz makes me think he did sorta give it away)
2) There is no real doc (I disagree with albaska because since there was no counterclaim, scum would have no reason to believe in a different doc and would have targeted Mellowed. Now it could be the doctor only gets 1 block in, but if Patrick put the possibility of more than 1 party, I am thinking that maybe there would be an indicator of a doc protection)
3) Town has more power roles (investigative, mason, etc.) (Balance issues)
4) There is an SK (Multiple parites)

I am going out on a limb here, but I think Gaspode might be alvinz's partner. Alvinz starts out positive with him, but then basically ignores him for the rest of the day. Gaspode going after alvinz all day could simply be trying to bus, although that theory falls a bit short since he wants alvinz lynched even though alvinz was under no pressure. Still, I find him to be suitable candidate for a scumbuddy.

[Evilgorrilaz]

Agree with you there! I would have happily had alvinz lynched from near the start, until the end. Judging by alvinz' alignment, that makes our interactions very interesting!

So? Waving around that you were on the lynch of a mafia member doesn't mean too much. Its the same thing as waving around the fact that you weren't on a townie lynch, and therefore must be town. Not to mention you could also be SK.

Coheed: I more meant "Why were you asking for a vanilla townie to claim to test your sanity", telling the scum who you intend to investigate means nothing, and you should be trying to investigate scum that haven't claimed yet. That's how I play a cop.

When was this? I seemed to miss this.

[Evilgorrilaz]

Oooh. Evilgorillaz, think you goofed there and just cleared someone of being on the mafia team.

Oh?

[Evilgorrilaz]

^^
Same as him

[Evilgorrilaz]

I am going to have to ask for a replacement. RL is a bit rough for me right now.