Weather Mafia -- Divine Intervention? Over

[armlx]

or is it like Michigan, where the weather can suddenly go from sunny to blizzard?

On that topic, in the past 30 minutes where I am in Michigan it has snowed, rained, been cloudy, and gotten sunny again, several times each.

/confirm

[armlx]

Walks in, sees no logic.

Walks out

[armlx]

Vote: armlx

Oh no, you don't get to leave that easily.

I do what I want.....

Resists urge to shout "I'm Rick James, BITCH!"

[armlx]

It is indeed his typical post style.

[armlx]

Also, there is no K in doctor.

There is if you are cool. Though given recent events this coolness is most likely just faux moxie.

Vote Niv

Ya pressure targetting you.

[armlx]

Man, I haven't been on that site in forever. My acct hasn't been deleted though. Yay Mr. A's and what not.

[armlx]

Niv is scum. He targetted MBF last night.

Niv -- tell the truth about who you targetted last night or you die.

You have to explain better then this. Your vote alone does not send someone to the gallows.

Are you trying to protect him? >_<

FOS: farside2.

No I found it strange comment. Most people dont' role claim first day. (Shrug). Plus Niv said he had no idea what you were talking about. I wanted more information before I decided.

They don't claim unless they pwn a scum in doing so.

[armlx]

Blackberry, whether you are scum that made this elaborate lie or pro-town, you are a gigantic buffoon. The vig should have just hit you last night.

Vote Blackberry

[armlx]

TWOMZ--I am not a jester.

Excellent argument if I must say so.

I have to think about this with the Jester possibility in there.

Unvote

for now. xtoxm is my next scummiest for his most recent few posts seeming to hard to deliberately act too scummy.

[armlx]

So Gorrak

1) Iammars vote for pointing out bread crumbs
2) Comment about power role not taking night action indicates something, possibly ignorance of own statement.
3) Wants to straight up Jester lynch. Awk.

[armlx]

Clicked submit instead of preview.

Xtoxm

1) Whole godfather thing
2) Whole making statements so obviously scummy he cant be scum thing.

[armlx]

Unvote: Xtoxm

, although he's still suspicious to me.

My suspicion of BB has grown even more though. As for not pointing out Gorrad's hammer vote earlier, it just didn't pop out to me as much as Blackberry's and Xtoxm's posts.

Vote: Blackberry

1. You lied to the town based on a gut feeling.
2. You started what became a quick lynch (Is that better wording for you?)
3. The role you claim today I don't buy for a minute, again I think you're lying.

As I've already stated earlier today, I'm willing to vote for either Blackberry or Xtoxm. I don't normally claim this early, but seeing as what the weather is going to be tonight and the possibility of me being killed I'm going due to the belief that I have of BB knowing my role, I'm the inspector hound.

I'm not positive of my sanity, but based on the events that have taken place so far, I'd say that I'm sane. I rec'd a guilty the first night on blackberry who was randomly chosen and night 2 I chose xtoxm to investigate b/c of his quick decision to vote for Niv and the godfather business.

That would explain also why my mind was narrowed on these two players today and why gorrad wasn't really popping out to me. I've tried to drop subtle hints here and there on my investigations as I've gone through, but I've just got this awkward feeling that BB was aware of them, call it a gut feeling.

Just remember that we're under a heat advisory and we only need 6 votes for the lynch. I think everyone's pretty much checked in, and with the evidence that we've got against BB, sounds like a pretty open shut case.

Wait, did you get a guilty on xtoxm or no?

If you did, why unvote him here?

If you didn't, why vote him in the first place over BB?

[armlx]

Vote Xtoxm

Based on the cop results + weather discussion, I'ld say this one seems right for today.

[armlx]

Thoughts on BB and xtoxm:

BB is really scummy, however his claim has a teeny bit of validity I guess. Post 209 is really scummy IMO though, the way he talks so theoretically and distanced from what he claimed is reality.

However, I'ld rather lynch xtoxm first. He is 2nd on the scummy list, has a more likely unweather affected investigation, and assuming both are town has contributed less than BB, though a lot of what BB contributes can't be trusted given D1.

[armlx]

Hmm, given the Berry not playing mafia recently I'm inclined to believe him a lot more now. I just came back and I know for sure I've thought a lot about non-orthodox tactics like he used, given the way mafia tends to stagnate into metacalls and what not.

[armlx]

vote Gorrad

I like wagons?

Vote stands.

[armlx]

I listen to everything you say xtoxm. It just makes my case stronger.

[armlx]

For future reference, I'm not voting Blackberry due to any cop results whatsoever, but because he's scum.

.....

Nice logic.....

This alone makes you next on my list of people to lynch behind Xtoxm. I can understand rediculous gambits from people trying to spice up a game they found boring (somewhat), but statements like these and Xtoxm's, where you make these statements like they are logic when they are just devoid of it are DI scummy.

Twomz: No deal. I actually believe Blackberry for the moment.

[armlx]

I believe BB for now because we have 2 ways to confirm his townieness, and one is already confirmed (that no one else is a townie). That way isn't 100% though, hardly. Hence my vote of xtoxm. He is easily the second most scummy person (if I haven't posted my reasoning on this earlier, someone please tell me and I will), maybe ahead of BB, and if he dies and is pro-town we know BB is probably pro-town. However, if he is town and BB isn't, it means most likely we have another cop (as Monkey would be paranoid) and all is good. Or BB is a godfather and we just got screwed.

Though the more I think about it, the more we have to lose on this plan. It assumes that a lot of things are exactly true, which they can tend not to be in theme games.

Unvote

I have to think.

[armlx]

Right, but the more I think about it the more I'm convinced they are both just idiots acting really scummy. Like I said, the more I think about it, the more we can lose on the plan of lynching one and basing the other's guiltiness on those results.

I'm going to have to do a re-read. I'll try tomorrow, though if it's not then it prolly won't be till Monday.

[armlx]

On the topic of roles that have powers but wont activate Night 1:

RB's depending on what the player speculates on the set up.

Vigilantes of all types.

BB's responses have definitely checked out with what I read him as, especially his Iammars point. I agree on that too. Iammars has done the following so far:

Bashed someone for a minor early D1 scum tell.
Voted for Niv at about the tilting point between lynch and pressure.
Acted really knowledgable about cop results and BB's role..

Vote Iammars

BB: It honestly depends on a lot of info what I would do in the situation: number of people in the scum group, number of people with abilities in the scum group, when it was possible to get on your wagon, if I had voted for Niv. Probably would have gone for it though, assuming it wasn't a 3 man scum group all with relevant powers where everyone had voted for Niv and the first person could only get on the wagon to bring it to L-1.

[armlx]

I'd kill night 0 if I was a vig.

......

Just so you know, thats terrible play. Your odds of hitting scum are (n)/4(n-1) typically. That means a bit less than 3/4 times your play will screw your team over.

This statement makes me think more that xtoxm's behavior is simply due to having more to learn than being scum.

[armlx]

Reading, nothing really from the bickering atm, but these past 2 pages will prolly be relevant in 2-3 days.

I really don't like Twomz's last post. It's contradictory, inciting, and trying to look productive all at the same time, which is scummy in 3 ways.

[armlx]

Twomz: You simply FOS the obvious people without really progressive reasoning. Thats very inciting. You then go down and say you don't see why one of the people you FOS'ed is scummy.

[armlx]

Iammars: Just knowing that fact does NOT mean you are pro-town. In fact, I can only think of 1 scenario where having that info is pro-town. Maybe 2.

[armlx]

I seriously don't trust any of this Curious George business. It sounds like A) Iammars is scum with a potential cop's role name (he is curious) or B) Iammars is scum setting up a dual safe claim or C) setting up 1 safe claim and killing someone who refuses or doesn't end up claiming for another reason saying they were George.

[armlx]

Can someone please quote where BB said he had no role name? I can't seem to find that post.

[armlx]

Twomz's argument seems tailored to force a quick lynch on xtoxm, citing minor things as major slipups and OMGUSing and what not. I'm really not liking him or Iammars, but Iammars I can give the same benefit of waiting as I did BB. Twomz has nothing role related backing, hence

Unvote, Vote Twomz

.

That should be 3 votes on Twomz.

Given that xtoxm just claimed coroner which should help prevent some of the shenanigans I was worried about, I will claim not George.

[armlx]

My scum reads are about the same as xtoxm's based on the assumption Monkey is insane/paranoid. If he isn't the world flips on its head.

Prolly Town:
BB
xtoxm
ChaosOmega (wasn't sure until xtoxm brought up the wiki article thing, was too easy of a scenario to quick lynch in for scum to punt away)
Monkey
Farside (like the analysis, not awkward like scum discussion tends to be)

Leaning town:
hasdfgas (I'm trying to figure out how to read his unvote to slow the xtoxm, but it seems like it had pure intentions rather than being scum jumping off a sinking ship)


No Clue:
Porochaz
Bookitty

Mildly Scummy:
Iammars (awkward timing, infi digging, etc, though more info is will arise definitely)

Very Scummy:
CyberBob (Every one of his posts is sniping at easy targets, just often enough to look active...)
Twomz (Similar to bob, only more posts)
Gorrad (Very generalized "claim", lynch pushing, etc)

[armlx]

Armlx is up to #4 on my scumlist for finding BB and Xtoxm town and myself scummy.

Let me get this straight -- you think someone is scum because they find you scummy?

QFT sir.

Bookitty's post is ironic as it seems she is twisting what Farside said to me.

[armlx]

Farside backed her not taking "official" action on Twomz with fair reasoning and took a valid read on you, and you try to spin those around on her as doing exactly what she was accusing you of doing.

[armlx]

Twomz: Whats so scummy about being cautious is it derails every logical method of scum detection. It's called paranoia, and its a bad thing.

And the OMGUS you all voted for me works if a wagon on you just derailed.

[armlx]

I'm fairly sure the joke is you are yelling scum against the people with the 2 easiest to prove role claims aka most likely to be town barring some unreal scenario.

[armlx]

Xtoxm's role is anything but easy to prove. He could fake the results so easily.

What I meant by that was if one is town I'm fairly sure the other is and visa versa, and BB's claim IMO is fairly town confirmable. Of course, if they are mixed faction it prolly means we have another cop somewhere (and we might anyways), in which case I'm fairly sure whats gonna go down with that.

Not sure why I wrote role claims instead of alignments. Dangers of posting past midnight I guess.

Cyberbob: We don't need gamebreaking insight, I just don't see much valid insight at all though.

[armlx]

Bookitty: Its fairly obvious to me the double negatives you are attacking are just typos. She also didn't vote you for being non-committal, but for being non-committal with regards to info leaks, which means you were just waiting for someone to screw up and give out too much. She didn't even respond to Twomz's post, which you attack her for, but what you did was actually just the same as agreeing with him. Her second post you quoted when you voted for her actually completely explains everything, and you act as though it does nothing.

[armlx]

Given that xtoxm just claimed coroner which should help prevent some of the shenanigans I was worried about,

I will claim not George.

Iammars, I did in fact claim.

[armlx]

You should choose randomly amongst the most scummy players, as previously stated the only real reason to lie and claim not George is if you are scum.

Or target BB. I have a feeling he has a role name and doesn't realize it or doesn't want to say.

[armlx]

I'm not saying lying, just missed the role name. Like I said, I didn't realize I had one until someone mentioned it and i rechecked.

Though Curious George is a longer name and fairly hard to miss, so thats probably not it.

[armlx]

In a good set up alignment outside the game doesn't correlate to assignment inside the game exactly, more like 70% so.

[armlx]

If there is no decided lynch by Tuesday night EST, I am willing to lynch xtoxm. A 3-1 end game is more or less the same as a 2-1 (3-1 if no lynch, 2-1 if lynch), and while I defended his pro-town alignment fairly extensively, I feel he has not significantly contributed to scum hunting enough so far to make his continued presence in the game worth the information we sacrifice by leaving him alive. It also clears up a lot of potential issues with my current game theory. The only way him living is extremely relevant IMO is a vig shot or RB kill stop occurring in which case he is just another warm body.

[armlx]

Just putting this out there right now:

No one should vote xtoxm till Tuesday. Maximizing day time and what not is good I hear.

[armlx]

oh, forgot to

vote Twomz

He's a much better lynch guys...

O RLY? J00 tink dat?!?!?!!!!!!!!!111one

And here I thought your play meant you WANTED to get lynched.

(Not bringing up the jester again, don't worry)

Seriously, posts like this make me want to lynch you even more, but thats to be decided later.

[armlx]

I hate when I'm right about scum tells just being bad play.

[armlx]

Twomz scummy meta defense of his vote is noted. Meta defense only works for wagons that are going to expire barring absurdity, not actual lynch attempts.

[armlx]

Yeah, but it's like saying no to your kids, ya gotta do it if you want them to be worth anything.

Is what I have a problem with, not the rest. The rest is true. Hammering yourself is only good if you are scum and want to end discussion.

[armlx]

Besides the people I said were scummy yesterday (Twomz, Gorrad, Cyberbob, semi Mars), I have one hunch I would like to look at. It might be a while before I present a definitive case.

[armlx]

Vote: Twomz

Carryover.

Are you real? When did you ever vote/FOS Twomz yesterday or ever or show any suspicion of him. You aren't getting out of this that easily.

[armlx]

Sorry to double post, but felt I needed to say that before I looked and did this.

Vote ChaosOmega

The 3 real votes he has placed are on Niv, Gorrad, and xtoxm at very opportunistic times (L-2 on Niv, early D2 on Gorrad when we were going after people who voted Niv after CO, and 3rd on xtoxm when Twomz hadn't committed).

[armlx]

Real votes: Anything that isn't a random vote aka Chaos' vote on farside.

[armlx]

Oh, btw, Cyberbob and Gorrad are looking like a good pair of scum. Scum like to put scum partners at #2 on their lists to show reasonable suspicion yet still give them a reason not to bus a buddy.

[armlx]

Oh, btw, Cyberbob and Gorrad are looking like a good pair of scum. Scum like to put scum partners at #2 on their lists to show reasonable suspicion yet still give them a reason not to bus a buddy.

I guess that means you and I are buddies, amirite?

No, it especially shows itself in ordered lists. The 2nd and 3rd people on scums lists are more likely to be scum.

For examples see Mini 495, 500, and Newbie 514 for examples of this occurring recently, I'm fairly sure I can dredge more out if I look way back at my old games.

[armlx]

I think I've changed my mind on Gorrad. His play follows the logical progression of the game pretty well, though these weren't necessarily the right plays. I'm willing to bet he is pro-town.

Just a summary of my thoughts on who is scum.

Farside
ChaosOmega
Bookitty

These people are a group. Lets look at this systematically.

Farside: The kicker here for me is attacking BB day 1. It implies she knows too much. Then there was the Bookitty thing D2, where she claims she wasn't waiting for info to dig, then says there's not enough to vote Bookitty then does. Doesn't vote xtoxm, but never actively defends him. These all seem too scripted from me.

ChaosOmega: I just realized his first vote was not random, which is extremely relevant here. Attacks Farside for the early tell, which is dumb unless its distancing. Farside also puts him as the only person leaning town in her analysis other than BB and xtoxm, the two fairly given townies at that point.

Bookitty: Her posts seem off to me (something stylisticaly feels scummy here) and it seems a lot like farside was busing a scum buddy with her vote here.

Other thing: All 3 of these people didn't vote xtoxm, yet none of them actively tried to stop his lynch. This looks an awful lot like a set up to me for the old "You all lynched him, I never tried to rush him".

I'm still trying to pin who the probable 4th of the group is, as 3 seems too small of a group given the power level we have seen so far. I'm leaning not hasehahdsjfcows and twomz mainly because their posts show a lot of progressive logic and not BB as he's more or less clear, and not Gorrad for my above reason. Porochaz seems good, especially how he dealt with attacking farside's contradictory post, though I haven't seen enough to get a full read on him.

That leaves Cyberbob, who I am 75% sure is scum. The remaining 25% is split between Twomz, Porochaz, Gorrad, cows, and the off chance of a 3 person scum group thats very powerful and maybe a neutral.

[armlx]

Twomz, after making that post, you may as well claim. I would have preferred you waited one more night, but thats just me.

[armlx]

Well, that's the thing... I don't have one more night.

I am the

Lightning rod

. I have the ability to soak up kills on stormy nights (like tonight). And I'm gonna use it. So I'm gonna die tonight, but no one else is.

Basically, I wanted to claim so y'all would know... because I won't be here much longer . And it gives the town a night where ya'll don't have to worry about getting killed.

Too bad the doc's dead /sigh.

Wow, my sick reads are off. I thought you were a real cop, which why I said you should have waited a night as you were one of the most scummy players and not likely to be NKed.

Still good claim. Confirms a lot of what I said in my previous post about the scum IMO, as all the other possible grouping I could think of involved a lot of things revolving around you.

CO: Sorry, I was including your "I don't want to lynch xtoxm but I will" as one of the scum things I saw.

Also, as for why BB and xtoxm were confirmed townies: I'm reading Monkey as insane, given that BB was claim confirmed before the investigation. Also, xtoxm wasn't being maliciously scummy, just simply dumb which is just an inexperienced townie tell.

[armlx]

I said what I did to see a reaction

When this is in regards to something you said in your defense, thats actually quite scummy.

[armlx]

I said what I did to see a reaction

When this is in regards to something you said in your defense, thats actually quite scummy.

I didn't say it in my defense. There's nothing to defend against. If it were a tell, then everyone who has a scumlist with more than one person would have a tell against them.

Hardly. Only those who turn up scum upon death.

[armlx]

I said what I did to see a reaction

When this is in regards to something you said in your defense, thats actually quite scummy.

I didn't say it in my defense. There's nothing to defend against. If it were a tell, then everyone who has a scumlist with more than one person would have a tell against them.

Hardly. Only those who turn up scum upon death.

Sure. I'm niether scum nor dead, so therefore it isn't a tell.

At the time of my post, I believed you were scummy and soon to be dead.

[armlx]

Oh? Why?

Because you were scummy for the previously enumerated reasons and until I started putting the connections together you were the best lynch target.

BB isn't scummy. He's claim confirmed and half cop confirmed.

BB: Twomz hasn't claimed his role name, only ability.

[armlx]

BB isn't scummy. He's claim confirmed and half cop confirmed.

Agreed. If it wasn't for this confirmation he'd definitely be scummy, but as it is he's merely erratic town.

Quoted for truthiness.

[armlx]

I don't know for 100% certain, but it seems fairly obvious as its a description of his ability (which none of role names I know of are, except yours) and I have actually seen a similar role referred to as a lightning rod before (I can't remember where, but they redirected all actions one night to them).

[armlx]

It is very unfortunate when more or less confirmed townies act scum like.

Don't like CO's response to my post, however if this is correct then many other things are.

Unvote, Vote farside

[armlx]

Hey, this is simple: We lynch Cyberbob today and, if Twomz is alive tomorow and therefore lying, we kill him then.

Rephrase: If he lives and someone else dies then yes, he should DIALMF (die in a lynch mob fire). If there's an RB around he could in theory live through tonight while still being town assuming the RB hits the mafia kill.

BB: If twomz is lying it should be obvious.

[armlx]

Only if we fail to lynch correctly today. Otherwise we have have breathing room.

[armlx]

Yeah, uh, twomz, nice job sir. I specifically avoided mentioning that in my last post so that the scum thought of it as a gambit.

All a moot point if we lynch right today though. I like breathing room.

I want to hear from Mars soon. Just sayin.

[armlx]

Hey, this is simple: We lynch Cyberbob today and, if Twomz is alive tomorow and therefore lying, we kill him then.

Rephrase: If he lives and someone else dies then yes, he should DIALMF (die in a lynch mob fire). If there's an RB around he could in theory live through tonight while still being town assuming the RB hits the mafia kill.

BB: If twomz is lying it should be obvious.

It is obvious.

VOTE: TWOMZ

So what you are saying is we have a provable claim and you want to lynch them regardless.

[armlx]

Well, there we go. You now have so much bad-argument experience, it's time for you to level up! You can continue gaining levels in 'idiot arguer' or go on to some presitge classes- Moronic Voter seems good, or Terrible Townie, or, my favorite, 'Labradoodle'. Again, congratulations. You really deserve this.

Laf, I would probably sig this if it wasn't too long.

[armlx]

But Gorrad, BB already has Terrible Townie and points in Uselessness and Scummy Posting.

And armlx, nothing is too long to sig (unless it goes over the limit).

Besides you can always put a link to his post in your sig.

It is over the limit, but the link is a good idea.

[armlx]

The sheer lack of logic displayed by people in this game is unreal.

Gorrad: If twomz doesn't die its lynch or lose still. We can't afford to go after him at that point as its just guessing a WIFOM instead of actual scum hunting.

[armlx]

16/4 = 4.

Just doing math.

Or, I can go deeper into how a good mod like Glork would see this.

We have 1 scum group, barring really dumb coincidences involving RB's and un-nightkillable people (or a cult, which would be even more awk).

5 scum members requires an over powered town, to the point where the set up degenerates to having very little to do with scum hunting. Or you don't over power the town and it makes a single mis lynch really awkward.

3 scum with abilities is balanced in a 12 man, and would be absurdly under powered in a 16 player game.

[armlx]

BB: Yeah, another reason I wasn't assuming that. Because if it happens, we are actually more or less fucked.

[armlx]

Glork, can you lightly prod Bookitty? I would like to see a response to my post involving her + farside.

[armlx]

Wait, BB.

Theres a cult? Are you just bumbling along, or are you for real.

If so, this is DI awkward.

[armlx]

Bookitty: I thought you were scummy for your attack yesterday, however looking back the exchange seems like neither side wanted to seriously put the other in danger of being lynched while still creating an argument, known as distancing.

BB is prolly just drunk/insane/lying for fun. No actions could be done last night except the kill I think due to the weather. Any way we put it though, killing the scum should be the first thing, as unless the cult can recruit scum not killing scum today puts us in a really awkward situation.

[armlx]

This game has been thread hijacked.

[armlx]

Thread hijacking is when people post off topic things, especially pictures, to change the topic of a serious thread to complete spam.

But rereads are good.

[armlx]

Bookitty: I thought you were scummy for your attack yesterday, however looking back the exchange seems like neither side wanted to seriously put the other in danger of being lynched while still creating an argument, known as distancing.

Here's the problem with this argument. At the time, you thought I was scum for defending myself against Farside's accusations and pointing out inconsistencies in them. That argues that at the time you thought I was scum and Farside was town. Today you say "looking back" it looks like distancing. Basically, whichever position you take regarding Farside, you're leaving your options open to call me scum.

So, if Farside was scum, is it scummy for town to attack her based on inconsistent arguments? What in particular was scummy about my "attack" on her yesterday?

And what has Farside done since yesterday that made you reconsider your position that she was town?

(Blackberry: that's my all time favourite LOLcat.)

Bookitty, I don't think you understand. I'm saying you and farside are scum. See my post a couple of pages ago.

The scummy thing was both your arguments were really easy to tear apart and never really pushed to indite each other in any realistic way.

What farside has done is have me look back on the past days, notice interactions between her and 2 of the people I find especially scummy, and notice how weird her not voting BB day one was. See the aforementioned post for more details.

Gorrad: The lolcats was a joke.

[armlx]

BB: I think you are misreading my post 95. Its not neutral, its pro-kill niv. I was trying to explain to farside the only reason you would be claiming that early would be if you had found scum.

Also, the irony about your thoughts on humor as a scum tell is not lost.

The other 2 points are fair game though.

BB: Also, while you point out Cyberbob being hesitant to pwn Niv, how can you defend farside doing something similar? Your single lines say this, but don't elaborate why.

I don't know if I said this before, but earlier when I was looking at connections and different scum groups Cyberbob was in all of them. Lynching him today and saving the indepth hunt lynch for tomorrow is probably the safe way to do it as we will have more info.

Still, waiting on Farside and CO to post more.

[armlx]

Fair enough, that's about what I assumed. Just wanted to see if I had missed some small tell.

I still don't like how farside was uber questioning to the point of voting you and not even FOSing niv.

[armlx]

So every scum grouping I'm going over involves ChaosOmega and Cyberbob. I'm also leaning town on Gorrad. He just seems to have blindered on BB. Also, Omega seems to be busing him too hard for a scum buddy.

As for the other 2 scum, on top of the Bookit/farside pairing, here are the other main one I can see.

Cows and Porochaz

Simply due to process of elimination (Twomz, BB, and Mars have claims, farside and Bookitty are probably both the same alignment as their exchange was either really confused aka town or really fake aka scum, and Gorrad I explained).

[armlx]

If Farside is lynched and flips town, then you reserve the right to accuse me: "Farside backed her not taking "official" action on Twomz with fair reasoning and took a valid read on you, and you try to spin those around on her as doing exactly what she was accusing you of doing." (Post 469)

I hardly call saying you were scummy yesterday then upon reread creating a whole new theory with logical backing "reserving the right to call you scum".

As for why the defense, another lynch gave us more information. ChaosOmega became a suspect, I saw his early overly strong push on farside, noticed her distinct separation from the BB plan, and that while she didn't vote xtoxm she didn't defend him at all either, and remembered your argument. In light of this new view, it looks quite awkward.

Farside basically has been distancing herself from the obvious mislynches so as not to garner attention.

[armlx]

Bookitty: Her argument was weak and unconvincing, but yours was just as much so and used obvious misinterpretations.

If farside is town, I'm more inclined now to think you are both misinformed town attacking each other in really dumb ways, as the Cows-Porochaz scum pairing becomes the more likely one.

[armlx]

CO: On the gender thing, I assume you are referring to this.

ChaosOmega became a suspect, I saw his early overly strong push on farside, noticed her distinct separation from the BB plan, and that while she didn't vote xtoxm she didn't defend him at all either, and remembered your argument. In light of this new view, it looks quite awkward.

Everything after where I say farside is referring to her. For clarity, this should read.

ChaosOmega became a suspect, I saw his early overly strong push on farside. I then noticed farside's distinct separation from the BB plan, and that while she didn't vote xtoxm she didn't defend him at all either, and remembered your argument. In light of this new view, it looks quite awkward.

As for my vote: Votes bring info. For lynching purposes my vote would be on you or Cyber.

Also, didn't respond to Farside's point 3 I just realized:

I think the scum, knowing BB was full of shit, tried to avoid supporting him.

On D2, the scummy thing I saw was simply ignoring the xtoxm situation. That way they can go back and say they didnt vote for him, yet they still contributed by not defending an easy lynch especially with the lynch -1 advisory.

[armlx]

The fact you even attacked the phrasing to begin with was awkward. It completely detracted from your main point, which is what made your argument weak.

Not saying anything != not objecting. Directly saying you don't object is only a smidgeon different from agreeing. Not saying anything is merely a crime of omission, albeit still a crime. I was willing to let farside fly on that yesterday, but now the pieces have come together.

The main issue with all your arguments today is they are based on the idea that we had the exact same information and issues yesterday as we do today.

[armlx]

Farside: Are you kidding? Given the scenario, I fail to see how any reasonable person wouldn't at the least FOS niv. Failing to do so indicates you were working off too much info for D1.

[armlx]

I'm not sure why I said that. One of the main things I went after Omega for in the first place was how he positioned him self on the 2 lynch wagons. Awkward.

[armlx]

Laf. Pat Robertson.

[armlx]

Farside: While you are anti-xtoxm lynch, your defenses feel really weak and wishy washy. For example, the long analysis of everyone on the Niv wagon you post about 20 scummy things about him then just say you have a "Gut feeling" he isn't scum.

As for why my opinion changed, I have stated this. Yesterday I wasn't so suspect of CO, then I reread over night, became suspicious, looked at interactions, and started putting 2 and 2 together.

[armlx]

That whole exchange seemed really awkward to me.

Farside: Your responses have been good enough to convince me the scum are Cow and Porochaz. As for the connection between you and CO, he appeared to attack you fairly hard for the D1 doc is dead tell.

[armlx]

Thats pretty hard for a D1 vote. By only voting, it shows you are convicted enough that you don't need any more reasoning for your vote, and don't even think any response could change your opinion.

[armlx]

CO: Not necessarily a lynch, but you were set your vote was correct to the point you didn't believe it required commenting.

[armlx]

@armlx: Are you seriously attacking someone for their first in-game post? It's very clear that that post was a random vote.

Hardly. Farside was developing a wagon at the time, and CO himself even admitted it wasn't random. In fact, the part it was his first post is one of the things I found strange, as it was a perfect distancing opportunity.

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Bookitty: Cite these wrong reasons, beyond the one accidental thing where I included CO in the group of you and Farside not voting for xtoxm.

Farside: I'm hardly flip flopping. I've determined the scum group is either

You
Bookitty
CO
Cyberbob

or

hasdfgas
Porochaz
CO
Cyberbob

It's just a matter of drawing enough info from people to determine which.

If you are referring to me not voting CO or Cyberbob now, I feel more info can be gained from the other people I mentioned.

[armlx]

The issue is you and Farside sorta disappeared for the end of the second day as xtoxm was ramped to a lynch. In that time, neither of you did anything to put suspicion on xtoxm, but you did nothing to help pursue alternate cases and possibly find a real lynch candidate.

It hardly undermines my theory. There's still a fair connection between the 3 of you (Cyber sorta did the scum lurk and snipe thing) that I feel deserves examination.

[armlx]

The main link between CO and Farside was the non-random vote early D1. You are linked to CO through farside.

I already said, Cyber is just being lurker scum.

[armlx]

EBWODP: Before Cyberbob complains, it is not how much you posted that makes you lurker scum, its what you did. You sniped at easy targets and just went back to hiding.

[armlx]

Preferably replacement. Mod kill leads to really awkward scenarios.

[armlx]

I hardly think its more scummy to have voted him, I've simply found the scum on the wagon (Bob and CO) and have to find those not on it.

[armlx]

I hardly think its more scummy to have voted him, I've simply found the scum on the wagon (Bob and CO) and have to find those not on it.

Yet you are not voting for either one yourself?

Like I said, why use my vote for lynch purposes this early when its better off as a way to gain information. Actual killing of people comes later.

Yes, I am that dead set in my convictions of those people I don't even think we need info from them.

BB, its not that, its just that over the last 4 pages your improvising play has straight up turned into spam.

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Bookitty, your defense of them is more than enough for me to draw info from.

[armlx]

Hmm, sorry, I misread your last post. My last post is completely inaccurate.

Dangers of posting at 2 am.

[armlx]

I'd agree with your theory Bookitty,

except tomorrow is going to be LyLo for town unless we hit a scum today

RED ALERT RED ALERT! (sirens, loud noises, screams):

Twomz, how do you know how many scum there are?

Welcome to the wonderful world of several pages ago where this question was already answered.

To recap, 16/4 = 4; 5 scum means we are completely boned, and 3 scum would have to be so super powered the game would be too night based.

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Farside: In your analysis of me, you cite post 521 as a contradiction. It hardly is. The extra townie doesn't add an additional game day barring a lucky RB and confirming xtoxm as town and moving along is better than the day going to deadline, there being a no lynch, and xtoxm probably being lynched the next day for the same reasons leaving us very boned.

After his BB vote, Bookitty looks a lot more scummy. No reason to lynch him today though. Again, Cyberbob should be the lynch.

Waiting for a vote count to do anything else.

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Farside: In your analysis of me, you cite post 521 as a contradiction. It hardly is. The extra townie doesn't add an additional game day barring a lucky RB and confirming xtoxm as town and moving along is better than the day going to deadline, there being a no lynch, and xtoxm probably being lynched the next day for the same reasons leaving us very boned.

After his BB vote, Bookitty looks a lot more scummy. No reason to lynch him today though. Again, Cyberbob should be the lynch.

Waiting for a vote count to do anything else.

Still if you thought Xtomx was town don't you think you should have tried hard not to lynch him as you stated I should have?

I did defend him up until the point the day could only end in a no lynch or his lynch, of which his lynch was more beneficial to the town.

[armlx]

Bookitty: Sorry, actually had made sure to say "she" all of yesterday.... Doh.

[armlx]

Unvote

Vote had lost its purpose multiple pages ago. Probably will just vote Cyberbob once we decide the day is over and we need to move along.

[armlx]

Waiting on a vote count before voting Cyber, but I enjoy people just attempting to derail logical discussion and kill the confirmed townie. Guess I know who is first to look at tomorrow.

[armlx]

I enjoy his posts to an extent.

Also, here's the entirety of the BB confirmed townie argument.

Mod > You.

1 probably insane cop investigation + 1 confirmed role claim = not a scum.

[armlx]

It answers point B. Point A is irrel as the logic was not in BB's posts, but in the rest of the town's and by attacking him you are derailing logic.

[armlx]

A protown player's goal is not to survive to endgame, it is to lynch the scum.

Blackberry, you are a bad townie.

Agree

And if you think Blackberry is funny, you must sit outside of the special ed class everyday with a bucket of popcorn laughing your ass off, because being retarded isn't my idea of funny.

Is it bad if I laughed a lot at this comment because I thought doing so would be funny?

[armlx]

Unvote, Vote:Blackberry

. Either way, it'll shut him up.

And put us at Lynch or Lose.

Think before you vote please.

[armlx]

BB: Doubt scum will quick lynch you. I'm willing to bet your wagon has 2-3 already, and its 6 to lynch. 2-3 + 3 < 6. Thats why you aren't dead yet.

[armlx]

Bookitty: Mass claiming today is bad. Basically, the easiest way for us to lose at this point is if Twomz's claimed ability doesn't occur tonight, and in the advent of a mass claim its just that much more devastating. Tomorrow I can see it being back breaking though.

Gorrad's last post is unreal scummy though. Earlier he decided to say a stupid townie was one of his top scum? His reaction to the contradiction farside found doesn't help, and neither does his OMGUSing of farside in his list with out any logic behind it. I retract any statements I made before about Gorrad sounding like a townie, b/c that last post definitely didn't.

Waiting on a Vote count to do anything vote wise.

[armlx]

Vote Gorrad

The last page or so has convinced me, and with deadline approaching we need to make some progress.

So, Gorrad, at this point its more or less claim or die. Please choose appropriately.

[armlx]

Honestly, farside, I agree with you. Bob is pretty much 100% scum, while Gorrad (after the BB vote) is about 80%. I just want to make sure we actually get a lynch today, as there's not really a difference between a no lynch and lynch in terms of time remaining in the game if our assumptions are correct. The vote on Gorrad was is also to push a claim, as that would help greatly. There's also the fact probably scum CO started the day with the vote, which looks a lot like a bus to me.

[armlx]

No, he hasn't. The fact he hasn't even stated anything about it either under all the pressure today makes me think he has nothing to claim.

[armlx]

C is for claim thats good enough for me (for now)

Unvote, Vote Cyberbob

Next please.

[armlx]

If you are, you wouldn't mind revealing some info to confirm?

[armlx]

We don't want all of them now as thats too much info, but one that a living person can confirm would be very good. Best would be a living person targeting a dead person the night they died, but we can't all live in Magical Christmas Land.

[armlx]

He said that already in thread.

I'm kind iffy about your claim at this point.

[armlx]

(However, Gorrad's is also kinda awkard, just saying)

[armlx]

Cyberbob is actually lying. I did in fact target someone last night.

Good try though.

[armlx]

Iammars -- Why would you target me when I said I'm a plain vanilla townie?

He did this before you claimed vanilla, the night after Niv was lynched. I'm still wondering why he did it, though I think he may ave answered this earlier.

[armlx]

BTW, having watched Futurama, what Farside has said so far is correct based on the show. I still don't think it confirms Gorrad as pro-town at all, but ATM we have someone caught in a lie so.....

[armlx]

When Cyber comes up scum, you are next Porochaz.

[armlx]

Foggy

-- The thick fog gives off a gloomy air...

Identites of those killed during Foggy periods are not revealed.

You know there is nothing here that states that any reading is effected during Foggy weather. The only thing it meantions if identities during the period are not revealed. I assumed by Foggy it would be unclear, but seeing what the Mod wrote makes me think it is not the case. I think Porochaz assumption is not on par.

FOS: Porochaz.

I endorse this product/service.

[armlx]

I did notice it was foggy, however I felt it was irrelevant as in no way should it give him a result of me staying in my house.

[armlx]

Wouldn't foggy make the readings unclear. Do you think he would have gotten a false report instead of a unclear result?

BB: As you can see, this appears to be everyone's logic except Porochaz.

[armlx]

Oh yeah, good catch BB.

[armlx]

Please say this isn't the way Blackberry normally plays.

Cyber claims tracker, I claimed it earlier.

This is his response when I claim tracker.

What do we think? Cyber knowing I'm lying cause he is SCUM or cause he is TRACKER? Or neither. Don't you think he woulda said "NO IM TRACKER YOUR A LIAR GO DIE" O_o

This is an excellent point that makes my vote on Gorrad very happy.

What? The point is if Cyber was tracker he would have said "BB is lying I'm a tracker, he has nothing".

[armlx]

BTW, 90% sure my second scum grouping is correct, +/- CO.

Cyber, Cows, Porochaz, CO.

[armlx]

2. Its obvious its a slip of the toungue, Hasdgfas has been arguing against CB for ages and its particularly obvious because his vote is in fact on Cyberbob, looks like someone else does not read the thread.

Fos Armlx

Actually, when looking back on the last vote count, I confused Bob and Gorrad as I forgot Gorrad was leading in the vote count back then and therefore was on top of the vote count and assumed he actually meant Gorrad.

Cyber is at 4 votes atm, +1 assuming BB eventually votes him. Just saying its one short.

[armlx]

I want to hear who Cyber targetted night 1 before I vote.

Fair enough. Just make sure that as it comes down to deadline, if he hasn't posted, you vote regardless so we don't just no-lynch.

[armlx]

I am confused, as Thursday March 7 isn't in 2008 O_o

Deadline is 2013, obv.

[armlx]

I've targeted Bberry already. However, my role doesn't work like your normal searching role.

And I'll work on scum-hunting a little more in depth tomorrow, when I have the half-day and I can dostuff.

This was D2. Cyber claiming you targeted BB N2 is a 50/50 shot he guessed the right night.

[armlx]

Hmm, thats awkward. Good point Twomz.

Cyber, are you sure your PM said I went nowhere last night?

[armlx]

Glork, I'm voting for Cyberbob right now. Post 919.

Ok, so why isn't Bob dead? His 3 results are

Person who claimed to not have ability except 1 night did nothing an earlier night.
Person who claimed to do action previously
A lie

[armlx]

Yes. He is indeed lying about my actions last night.

Just so its clear

Unvote, Vote Cyberbob

[armlx]

Twomz, does your role absorb only kills or all night actions?

That is all.

[armlx]

I'm about 50/50 on Cyberbob. I suspect if he is town, armlx is probably lying about something.

BB has about a 50/50 chance of being mafia too imo.

Beyond that, I just don't know .

qft, although I think that armlx is lying anyway no matter what Cyberbob comes out as...

You would scum.

[armlx]

Bah, that was awkward.

[armlx]

Seriously why did you all lynch Twomz and not realize I died b/c I was right?