Micro 431 - Noughts and Crosses Mafia
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FIRRRRRRRST
VOTE: T-Bone
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lol i was right about to vote pine before i read that we had an ic this game xD-
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That was clever.
That was really clever xD-
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I feel bad saying this but we should lynch a corner.
If mafia take the centre, as they undoubtedly will, we get much more control of the board taking a corner than taking a side.
If we don't end up with scum D1, consider the following (hypothetical):
1. We lynch the scummiest corner (let's say it's T-Bone).
2. Mafia kill Pine or they have an IC surviving to D2 making it easier to catch scum.
3. We lynch opposite corner, RedCoyote.
4. Mafia are forced to kill a corner, say they kill me. (there are now 5 players, this is banking on both scum not being on the sides)
5. We lynch Equinox. Scum kill Kaboose or Scripten.
6. We lynch the other and win.
The chances of this failing (due to both scum being on sides) is 6/28, or 3/14. Since I know I'm town, for me the chances are 6/21, or 3/7.
Combined with actual scumhunting, I like those odds.-
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Just seeing him, decided to vote CONFSCUM. Then I read the rules.-
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That's exactly what I hate about TTT actually. Far prefer Ultimate Tic Tac Toe.
Here's a visualisation of my strategy for those of you who hate setup spec (tsk tsk tsk).
Blue is lynches, Orange is kills.
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In post 12, Scripten wrote:In post 11, Scripten wrote:Center square isn't necessary to win a game so I wouldn't count on scum autolynching Pine, especially if his reads are off.
Actually, this is crazy WIFOM so please disregard. Math is right; scum will probably hit conftown/center square. No need to really setup spec any more than this. Anyone who doesn't follow, read this: How to never lose at tic tac toe (but not how to always win)
Yeah, see, winning at TTT is altered when certain squares can't be hit and one square is more likely to be hit. Pine being killed grants us an auto win unless we end up not being able to lynch scum. And even if he's not killed N1, we still autowin in every instance where scum don't shoot the opposite corner of the person we lynch.
And if they do that, we can just scumhunt to victory and ignore the setup.-
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Correct, from my perspective, 3/7 of the time this won't work due to losing in LyLo.
As such, we can always completely abandon this and just find the scumteam.
Also I lol'd when I checked the wiki page. Micro 115, the first time this setup was played, town could've auto won after lynching scum D1 and mafia killing a side xD
The issue is, in order to autowin, they'd have been forced to lynch the centre, which is probably something people got cold feet about.-
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I feel like something's wrong when 11/14 times the setup is completely and entirely broken.
I'm going to recommend they don't run this setup anymore.-
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Oh.
Fuck.
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OOH
New idea.
1|2|3
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4|5|6
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7|8|9
We lynch the person opposite the towniest corner (while scumhunting normally of course, this is just for the actual lynch).
Mafia presumably kills the centre.
T|2|3
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4|M|5
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6|7|8
Since lynching the opposite corner obviously fails (ty Kaboose), we assume the scumteam is not {5, 7, 8} and look at pairs {2,3} and {4,6}.
Whichever pair is more likely to flip scum, we lynch in that pair. Scum will then be forced to kill the other to avoid town autowinning EVEN IF ONE IS SCUM.
If it turns out right, we either bag scum by N2 or we force scum to shoot themselves.-
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Suppose we lynch in {4,6}. It could end up in 2 ways:
T|2|3
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T|M|5
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M|7|8
Assume we bag scum somewhere. Optimal play continues as follows:
T|M|T
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T|M|5
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M|7|8
If scum's not already dead, it's 3p LyLo with a previously decided extremely townish person in 8.
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Forgot to write the other way:
T|2|3
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M|M|T
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T|7|8
The problem here is it relies on scum not both being in {2,3,7,8}, which is a 11/14 chance.
Then after scum shoots it ends up with 3p LyLo again.
These situations are pretty much equal. They both rely on the entire scumteam not being in a certain set of players.
The D1 and D2 lynches pretty much decide the game.-
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In post 32, Pine wrote:The very clear choice is to lynch...
Me
Think about it. I am guaranteed not to live through N1 anyway. Planting the Town flag in the center square gives us the best shot at getting three in a row.
Hey guys, I think Pine is town for including himself in his own lynchpool.
Regardless, I very much don't expect to be townread for setup spec, since that's pretty easy to fake and if the game's full of smart people (case and point: Kaboose), it's probably gonna get broken anyway.
Scumhunting > setup spec. SS is just something to talk about at the beginning and a good way to structure the game.-
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Starting off with townreads on Beli and Kaboose.-
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Nononono
If scum play TTT,they win.By D3, our lynch target WILL be forced until LyLo. We absolutely have to bag scum in the first 4 people to die or we're toast.
We need to play both to win. That way we can maximise our NKA and lynch more strategically.-
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If we get to 5p LyLo without playing TTT and letting scum do that, we lose. This isnt just any 9p mountainous.
Our advantage is the ability to force scum to shoot themselves and analyse the NKs.-
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In post 62, Pine wrote:Hey, guy. I was reaction testing when I suggested we lynch me. Taking the center square first is the sucker's route. It can't lead to anything but a tie. The only way to actually win is to do something else
An example
We put an O in the center, scum takes a corner X, then any space we go in leads us to endless countering
We put an O in the center, scum takes a side X, then any space we go in leads us to endless countering
Do the math. Lynching me is anti-Town from the Tic Tac Toe angle, in addition to the fact that it bypasses a shot at scum
Our best bet is to take a corner, that gives us options. I think it should be RedCoyote. This is just the reaction I was resting for.the opportunity to lynch an Innocdnt Child who's willing to go is just too much a temptation
Vote RedCoyote
This was brilliant omg
In post 75, RedCoyote wrote:No, you're not following it through.
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Now we have to block. Then X takes Top or bottom and we have to block that as well. I don't want us to play where we have to block the scum from winning. That means the scum is dictating which players we lynch.
Am I really the only one that doesn't want to block scum from TTT all game? It seems like we can't scumhunt at all past D2 in this scenario and we just hope to get lucky.
Brother, we get to choose 3 deaths in the game; one of them HAS to be scum (pretty much just like the normal 3 deaths we choose in micros). From then on it's down to lynching scum. We play TTT until 3p LyLo and hope we get it right.
The 2 sides opposite RedCoyote are Kaboose and Belisarius, both townreads.
I'm totally down with this lynch.-
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UNVOTE: T-Bone
because that puts us in a terrible position.
I'm here to vote RC whenever but I agree it's too early for L-1 just in case.-
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With the exception of Kaboose, the entirety of the RC wagon (including myself because I'd have voted if not L-1) is lining themselves up for tomorrow's lynch.
I like the odds of this wagon being town-motivated.
In other news, vettrock is pinging me weirdly. Equinox seems town. Too early to tell for Scripten but he at least seems genuine.-
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Keep in mind that our D3 lynch is absolutely not forced. I mean technically it is but we have control over it.
Suppose for now that RC gets lynched, flips whatever.
Scum kills Pine excepting shenanigans.
Then suppose we collectively decide, say, vettrock is scum.
We can lynch either of vettrock or myself and thus line up the next day's lynch.
See, if we lynch vettrock, scum has to NK me. Then we lynch Equinox and scum kills Scripten.
On the other hand, if we lynch me, scum would have to NK vettrock, then we lynch Kaboose and scum gets to choose who to kill, putting us in 3p LyLo.
We have more control over this than you'd think. Just keep in mind that in lynching RC, we admit that if T-Bone is scum, he can't be lynched until LyLo. Furthermore when we choose which side to go on (the Equinox/Scripten side or the vettrock/Mathdino side) we admit the same for Kaboose and Belisarius, respectively.-
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Nope. Something I should know/read?-
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In post 98, Pine wrote:In post 97, Kaboose wrote:In post 95, Scripten wrote:In post 93, Kaboose wrote:
Why aren't you following the thread? I have a vote on RedCoyote.
I wrote about the one part that stuck out to me because everyone else already hit home the rest of it. I didn't need to go over it again with the same brush.
Nevermind, I hadn't noticed that you'd RVS'd him. My bad.
I suppose this is fair. I assume, based on your post, that your RVS vote is serious now and you would like to see RedCoyote lynched, then?
Yes I would like to see RedCoyote lynched currently based on him agreeing to lynch a confirmed townie, and based on my post earlier.
RedCoyote's justification was more elaborate than that, and so is the case against him. This looks like distancing
I agree actually. The wording seems really really off here, seems like overexplanation.
Considering lynching Equinox if RC flips scum (Kaboose is centre top right?).-
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nope never mind forgot the square
Considering lynching myself if RC flips scum. This guarantees a vettrock kill which forces us to lynch Kaboose rather than Equinox.-
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In post 0, Empking wrote:Noughts and Crosses Mafia
T-Bone Belisarius Mathdino Kaboose Pine vettrock Equinox Scripten RedCoyote
Assume we lynch RC. We can choose from the following death orders:
T-Bone -> {Belisarius, Kaboose, Scripten, vettrock}
Belisarius -> {Mathdino, Kaboose, vettrock, Equinox}
Mathdino -> vettrock -> Kaboose -> anyone
Kaboose -> {Belisarius, Mathdino, Equinox, Scripten}
vettrock -> Mathdino -> Equinox -> Scripten
Equinox -> Scripten -> Belisarius -> anyone
Scripten -> Equinox -> Mathdino -> vettrock-
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In post 107, Belisarius wrote:In post 103, Pine wrote:Nah. There's a pretty obvious next lynch, though I'd rather not elaborate
Although you'll definitely die before you can elaborate?
A yes or no answer will suffice.
VOTE: RedCoyote
I grow weary of waiting.
LOL
Belisarius is now the top of my townreads.-
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In post 105, Mathdino wrote:1. T-Bone -> {Belisarius, Kaboose, Scripten, vettrock}
2. Belisarius -> {Mathdino, Kaboose, vettrock, Equinox}
3. Mathdino -> vettrock -> Kaboose -> anyone
4. Kaboose -> {Belisarius, Mathdino, Equinox, Scripten}
5. vettrock -> Mathdino -> Equinox -> Scripten
6. Equinox -> Scripten -> Belisarius -> anyone
7. Scripten -> Equinox -> Mathdino -> vettrock
Numbered so we can talk about them. 1, 2, and 4 obviously suck since they give control of the board to scum. T-Bone is the only person we can't force a death on; if we want to lynch T-Bone, we better be damn sure he's the last scum or we're fucked.
I REALLY hate 6 since it has all my townreads. My favourite is probably 3. Could settle for 7 if something pops up.-
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In post 43, T-Bone wrote:Checking in.
We have to make a choice early on, are we going to play tic tac toe or are we going to play mafia? I think so long as we block scum, there's no reason to focus on tic tac toe. Essentially scum go 2nd (in a proper game), meaning there is no scenario in which they should win in a proper game of tic tac toe. Trying to play tie tac toe is kinda dumb, we're all adults (mostly) and can reasonably play an optimal game of tic tac toe.
pre-edit: basically what Belisarus said...though I think I used prettier wordsIn post 44, T-Bone wrote:Actually if anything we should let scum play tic tac toe....because it'll be very telling who they do and don't kill based on the state of the board. Let scum play tic tac toe and we can play mafia.In post 47, T-Bone wrote:We'd have to bag scum in the first 4 people normally anyway?
I don't understand where you are coming from.In post 50, T-Bone wrote:Okay I kinda get what you're saying. What I'm saying is that we're damned if we do, damned if we don't, I think we're best served to focus on mafia more. Because you're kinda right, at a certain point we will be dictating who they kill and they will be dictating whom we lynch. On Day 1 though....this isn't true and we can play nearly normally.
I do agree, gotta lynch a corner, but we can make an informed decision. I feel like this discussion is all about beholding ourselves to tic tac toe, and we don't need to do that.In post 55, T-Bone wrote:You can block those 'inevitable wins' if you know what you're doing so...In post 58, T-Bone wrote:I guess so? I dunno, I seriously wrote a 5-page research paper in college about how to play tic tac toe (yes, really), there isn't anything that would surprise me at the very least.
Meanwhile, lynching RC makes you practically immune, yet your ISO is strangely quiet.
VOTE: T-Bone
Pressure.-
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if T-Bone makes it to LyLo we can lynch him
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T-Bone needs to give a lot more input than he already has before I'm near ready for a lynch.
I also want reads from the people who've spent all their time setup speccing.-
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In post 112, vettrock wrote:In post 105, Mathdino wrote:In post 0, Empking wrote:Noughts and Crosses Mafia
T-Bone Belisarius Mathdino Kaboose Pine vettrock Equinox Scripten RedCoyote
Assume we lynch RC. We can choose from the following death orders:
T-Bone -> {Belisarius, Kaboose, Scripten, vettrock}
Belisarius -> {Mathdino, Kaboose, vettrock, Equinox}
Mathdino -> vettrock -> Kaboose -> anyone
Kaboose -> {Belisarius, Mathdino, Equinox, Scripten}
vettrock -> Mathdino -> Equinox -> Scripten
Equinox -> Scripten -> Belisarius -> anyone
Scripten -> Equinox -> Mathdino -> vettrock
If we lynch RedCoyote, the only real viable options, and the chain assuming the scum NK Pine:
1. Lynch vettrock, forces NK on Mathdino, forced Lynch of Equinox. If {RedCoyote,vettrock,Mathdino,Equinox} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
2. Lynch Mathdino, forces NK on vettrock, forced Lynch of Kaboose. If {RedCoyote,vettrock,Mathdino,Kaboose} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
3. Lynch Scripten, forces NK on Equinox, forced Lynch of Mathdino. If {RedCoyote,Scripten,Equinox, Mathdino} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
4. Lynch Equinox, forces NK on Scripten, forced Lynch of Belisarius. If {RedCoyote,Scripten,Equinox, Mathdino} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
If we select anything else other than the above after a RC lynch, we conceed control of the board to scum, as they can NK, and force our lynches at that point.
The pattern is the same but with different names if we lynch one of the other corners. Once we do our first lynch, our options are limited.
For the other corners:
If we lynch T-bone first, the only real viable options, and the chain assuming the scum NK Pine:
1. Lynch Belisarius, forces NK on Mathdino, forced Lynch of Equinox. If {T-Bone,Belisarius,Mathdino,Equinox} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
2. Lynch Mathdino, forces NK on Belisarius, forced Lynch of Scripten. If {T-Bone,Belisarius,Mathdino,Scripten} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
3. Lynch Kaboose, forces NK on Equinox, forced Lynch of Mathdino. If {T-Bone,Kaboose,Equinox, Mathdino} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
4. Lynch Equinox, forces NK on Kaboose, forced Lynch of vettrock. If {T-Bone,Kaboose,Equinox, vettrock} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
If we lynch Equinox first, the only real viable options, and the chain assuming the scum NK Pine:
1. Lynch Scripten, forces NK on RedCoyote, forced Lynch of T-Bone. If {Equinox,Scripten,RedCoyote,T-Bone} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
2. Lynch RedCoyote, forces NK on Scripten, forced Lynch of Belisarius. If {Equinox,Scripten,RedCoyote,Belisarius} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
3. Lynch Kaboose, forces NK on T-Bone, forced Lynch of RedCoyote. If {Equinox,T-Bone,Kaboose,RedCoyote} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
4. Lynch T-Bone, forces NK on Kaboose, forced Lynch of vettrock. If {Equinox,T-Bone,Kaboose,vettrock} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
If we lynch Mathdino first, the only real viable options, and the chain assuming the scum NK Pine:
1. Lynch vettrock, forces NK on RedCoyote, forced Lynch of T-Bone. If {Mathdino, vettrock,RedCoyote,T-Bone} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
2. Lynch RedCoyote, forces NK on vettrock, forced Lynch of Kaboose. If {Mathdino, vettrock,RedCoyote,Kaboose} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
3. Lynch Belisarius, forces NK on T-Bone, forced Lynch of RedCoyote. If {Mathdino,Belisarius,T-Bone,RedCoyote} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
4. Lynch T-Bone, forces NK on Belisarius, forced Lynch of Scripten. If {Mathdino,Belisarius,T-bone,Scripten} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
i mean let's be honest
this post indicates a lot of effort
but it's the farthest thing from useful
we're pretty much lynching RC anyway
and seriously who's going to read this-
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In post 124, Belisarius wrote:Really no sense reading scumposting anyways, so no harm done. You know what would be more pro town? A survey about condom flavours.
Pedit: It disnae change fuck all.
@All: Please give your 1st, 2nd, and 3rd favourite condom flavour.
Mine:
1. Orange
2. Coffee
3. Bacon
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ooh, apple strudel sounds amazing <3
what's hawk sauce condom taste like?
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dammit t-bone is scum isn't he
ugh okay-
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why the fuck would you hammer someone you think is town-
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belisarius lynch is anti-town
completely and utterly anti-town
if you want him dead then we go through the process
you should KNOW this if you can play TTT worth a damn
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this doesn't matter AT ALL
if you wanted to lynch {Belisarius, Mathdino, RC} the correct move would be to lynch me
then you lynch on either side and the entirety of {T-Bone, Belisarius, vettrock, RC} would be dead in 2 days
but you're scum so you want to avoid being in that position i'm guessing-
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ugh
the funny thing is, lynching myself actually looks really nice in this situation with a townread on Equinox and Scripten and scumread on T-Bone, vettrock, and RC
dammiiiiit-
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then why didn't you just defend him jesus
if you and RC are both town, you've just lost us the game T-Bone
this shit is why i didn't want RC at L-1-
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AGAIN
if you wanted to lynch me/Beli
then you should've pushed for a me-lynch
that gets rid of {me, vettrock, Belisarius, RC} in one fell swoop
not lynch the guy that cancels out the possibility of a Beli lynch
can't tell whether to question your TTT skill or your alignment
Edit: Belisarius please comment-
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no it's fucking not set up to win the game
did you not review the death orders i wrote up
if you want to lynch belisarius AND me, one of us is gonna have to die in LyLo
aka you're gonna be pushing a lynch on one of us in LyLo
which results in a town loss-
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if RC is actually town, vettrock isn't T-Bone's partner
if RC is scum, it's one of {vettrock, T-Bone} (T-Bone is setting himself up to be immune to LyLo since he was so sure he hammered a townie)
if town, Bone's partner is probably in {Kaboose, Equinox}-
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i hate this
jesus if it's {T-Bone, Kaboose} we already lost-
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NOT TRUE
Lynching me absolutely ENSURES scum don't live to LyLo. This is a total no-brainer.
But you have absolutely ZERO case on me OR Belisarius, you just hammered someone you think is town, and made the ultimate anti-town move from your standpoint if you're town and your reads are legit.
And you're making no effort to even consider the possibility of my being town.
Suppose I'm town.
Now what?-
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In post 151, T-Bone wrote:Yeah, you guys are next to each other, no matter what we did (barring maybe one scenario) one of you were going to survive to LyLo. You're selling to me like you are frustrated scum at this point because I forced the lynch in a spot you didn't want.
in what UNIVERSE would I not want this lynch? For a me/Belisarius scumteam, the optimal lynch is Equinox since it clears both me and Beli from death.
But before you decided to out yourself, I was fully prepared to self-lynch tomorrow so vettrock and Kaboose end up dead.
Also, no due process?
No "we need more discussion"?
Seriously? 90% of this game has been setup spec.
You've fucked us over regardless of your alignment.-
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Okay let's see.
If we lynch T-Bone, mafia must pick a side or lose.
If Kaboose or vettrock is scum, they'll shoot in {Belisarius, Scripten}. Then we're forced to pick the opposite side, which means they kill either me or Equinox.
Basically if we lynch T-Bone, this game is gonna be a 1v1 between Kaboose and vettrock.
Do I need to reiterate how much I hate this? If T-Bone and RC are both town we just lost.-
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In post 160, T-Bone wrote:In post 157, Mathdino wrote:In post 151, T-Bone wrote:Yeah, you guys are next to each other, no matter what we did (barring maybe one scenario) one of you were going to survive to LyLo. You're selling to me like you are frustrated scum at this point because I forced the lynch in a spot you didn't want.
in what UNIVERSE would I not want this lynch? For a me/Belisarius scumteam, the optimal lynch is Equinox since it clears both me and Beli from death.
So basically you wanted more time to set up YOUR optimal lynch. I'm sure that's where this day phase was headed. I was 'too absent' from this thread, and after I had done some minor activity, Equinox would have been 'too absent' and you would have ramped it up on him and pushed his lynch till the cows come home.
This is a slip
I HAD A TOWNREAD ON EQUINOX. LIKE HIS ENTIRE OPENING READS TOTAL TOWN.
RC was gonna be the lynch no matter what, you think I have the influence to change that WHILE completely flipflopping on my reads?
Suppose I'm scum.
DONTCHA THINK TRYING TO SWITCH TO EQUINOX WOULD BE SUICIDE.-
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In post 160, T-Bone wrote:In post 157, Mathdino wrote:In post 151, T-Bone wrote:Yeah, you guys are next to each other, no matter what we did (barring maybe one scenario) one of you were going to survive to LyLo. You're selling to me like you are frustrated scum at this point because I forced the lynch in a spot you didn't want.
in what UNIVERSE would I not want this lynch? For a me/Belisarius scumteam, the optimal lynch is Equinox since it clears both me and Beli from death.
So basically you wanted more time to set up YOUR optimal lynch. I'm sure that's where this day phase was headed. I was 'too absent' from this thread, and after I had done some minor activity, Equinox would have been 'too absent' and you would have ramped it up on him and pushed his lynch till the cows come home.
This is a slip
IF YOU MEAN TOWNSLIP, HELL YES IT'S A SLIP
My optimal lynch for me/Beli as you're proposing is Equinox, absolutely unquestionably.
As town, my optimal lynch BEFORE I REALISED YOU'RE SCUM would be RC because it allows us to take out Kaboose and vettrock at the same time. I don't particularly care if I die from this BECAUSE WHO THE FUCK CARES IF I'M TOWN.
YOU JUST HAMMERED THE PERSON THAT IS YOUR OPTIMAL LYNCH AS SCUM
DAMMIT-
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i thought we had this game in the bag-
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Why would I want to lynch Equinox, a townread?
Why do we have to lynch a corner tomorrow? After Pine dies OUR OPTIMAL LYNCH IS A SIDE, NEWSFLASH.
I wanted RC lynched because after that the death order can be me->vettrock->Kaboose->whoever dies. My master plan D2 was to self-vote.
Your theory is fucked up, if you're town you're absolutely fucking right you set up the perfect mislynch BY HAMMERING A TOWNIE DAY 1.
I know I'm town. If you and RC are both town, (and I have a townread on Beli), there's very very little we can do to win this.-
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In post 166, T-Bone wrote:In post 164, Mathdino wrote:i thought we had this game in the bag
This is why Math is scum. He keeps INSISTING that I have claimed scum...but yet somehow the town is going to lose despite me scumflipping when you lynch me? There's no reason town-Math should be upset, because if I have just claimed scum, I have set up the town to a greater chance to win. I don't see anyone else who is scumreading me getting upset that I might have claimed scum. For Pine, it's an assured thing that I flip scum, and he's not worrying about the town being in a bad position...there is much discontent between what Math-town should be, and what Math actually is.
Did I make any sense to anyone there?
no fuck this shit
if we lynch you, scum controls the death order until 3p lylo
a lylo that we have a damn good chance of losing
lynching you, even if you flip scum, loses control of the board
and as of yet i have no idea who your partner is if RC is town
again
your theory either SUCKS ASS or you're scum and you just pulled the optimal move-
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In post 170, T-Bone wrote:In post 167, Mathdino wrote:Why would I want to lynch Equinox, a townread?
Why do we have to lynch a corner tomorrow? After Pine dies OUR OPTIMAL LYNCH IS A SIDE, NEWSFLASH.
I wanted RC lynched because after that the death order can be me->vettrock->Kaboose->whoever dies. My master plan D2 was to self-vote.
Your theory is fucked up, if you're town you're absolutely fucking right you set up the perfect mislynch BY HAMMERING A TOWNIE DAY 1.
I know I'm town. If you and RC are both town, (and I have a townread on Beli), there's very very little we can do to win this.
Again disconnect!!!!!....Town-you is getting exactly what you want!!
Like I don't understand this at all. You're saying "Hi I'm Math, I'm town, and I want x, y, and z to happen this game" and now that you are getting "x, y, and z (potentially)" you're freaking out about losing! It makes no sense!
wantED
wanTED
TED
TED
before you claimed scum i had good reason to believe the scumteam was in {Kaboose, vettrock, RC}
so an RC lynch is perfection with the exception of the fact that i have to get lynched for this plan to work
BUT GREAT NOW YOU'RE SCUM
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I WANT NOW
YOUR LYNCH WOULD BE NICE-
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don't you dare present this as "this is what you wanted anyway"
scum hammering town is the opposite of what i wanted
if you're town and RC is town, we're arguing over the fact that you lost us the game, plain and simple
i have 0 reason outside of TTT to not vote you tomorrow based on this fuckery
so yes, if town loses, it's on you, brother
i hope you're scum so at least you deserve the damn win-
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meanwhile, i question your alignment with the 'hardcore townreading' and the general buddying going on
but fuuuuck
even if T-Bone flips scum our lynches become forced after that
and if he's town we unquestionably lose by lynching him
need to look at beli's interactions now -_--
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Scenarios:
1. RC is scum. Great. Sweet. Keep lynching as usual and have everyone promise to lynch T-Bone in LyLo. Scum is guaranteed to be in {Kaboose, vettrock, T-Bone}.
2. RC is town and T-Bone is town. FUCK WE LOST.
3. RC is town and T-Bone is scum. Whoop-dee-doo. Scum just hammered town. But EVEN IF we lynch T-Bone the day after that, we either go with the lynch scum force upon us, or we HAVE to bag the last scum. Otherwise we lose.
And unfortunately, T-Bone, I have no idea who your partner is, and we don't have the luxury of just lynching anyone.
The hilarious thing about this is this game would now be easier if it were mountainous.-
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In post 122, T-Bone wrote:*goes offline for sleep and work*
*isn't putting in "effort"*
lol
So, does it change anyone's opinion that in the first two instances of this set-up someone always suggests that town lynches the IC for board control?
The best part (and I forgot about this post) is that this is a total misrep.
I didn't say he wasn't putting in effort.
I was responding to others wanting to quicklynch RC by saying that I want way more input from T-Bone and a few others before doing so.
Nice.-
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VOTE: Mathdino-
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UNVOTE: Mathdino
I'M JUST GONNA
PRETEND THAT WAS A REACTION TEST
AND READ OVER THE GAME ONCE MORE
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In post 200, Scripten wrote:T-Bone Belisarius X
MathdinoX
Kaboose0
Pine0
vettrockEquinox Scripten X
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I don't understand how TTT rules stop mattering once we hit LyLo. If scum NK a side, we just lynch the corner and win. No, they're forced between T-Bone and Equinox and honestly I think they'll hit Equinox.-
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EBWOP: If scum NK a side, we just lynch the other side and win.
I think we need to start planning for LyLo. Assume me, vettrock, and Kaboose flip town. Now us 3 are the conftownies deciding between the remaining 4.
Does anyone see merit in the idea that T-Bone quickhammered his partner for towncred?