Micro 377: Vengeballs. OVER!!!
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In post 40, Skelda wrote:Well, if we are just organized and avoid freak hammers and stuff, it could still work. But yeah, I do see your point.People can be obnoxious.
It would make even more sense for you to say that if you were indeed a goat.
Assuming you are town, would you have proposed this plan as scum and why?
I for one like the bare odds of a successful vengekill and I trust that the one who eats rope has the best perspective to evaluate how legitimately it came to being. Also, I'm a good day 1 scumhunter and I will deliver a scumfuck if you mislynch me.-
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In post 50, Dr Pants wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Espresso
I've seen enough. There's no way Espresso isn't scum. If I get a venge kill and he's alive, I will kill him regardless of what anyone else thinks.
@ Skelda: I don't have authority to say what is good and what is bad in this game.I only have my opinion, and that is what I'm using. Feel free to agree or disagree.
You'd also have a vengeball
if you were town.
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Optimal play for scum is to bully people into voting for who they want.
If they can do that without fear of repercussion because they have succeeded in manipulating town into thinking they wouldn't be aggressive that's just dandy for scum.
Optimal play for town is to put scum into a corner and force scummy mistakes. You haven't been doing that despite talking more than the average player so I'm still voting you-
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In post 100, Csareo wrote:The above comment is something scum would say.
It's the naked truth. Why do you say it's scummy?
And do you seriously suggest we should stfu about our scumreads like scared little lambs? You've just layed bare your insanity. Your proposition is stripped of rationale. Nude madness! Unless of course you're overeager scum caught with his pants down. Have you just unveiled your scummy penis?!
More info is needed to unveil what's going on with you, sir.-
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Dr Pants and ZZZX are scum from the same team. We'd do good to lynch one of them and if it's not the godfather lynch the next one tomorrow. I bet Dr Pants is Godfather but I'll never get a majority on him now that 2 people and a goat tunnelvision me and say `that's scummy` regardless of what I say. No worries, I'm going to shoot one of them and I trust you guys will lynch the other.
In post 148, Csareo wrote:
Finding the shittiest justification for a vote and run with it like no one would notice?
Not my cup of tea.
What's scummy about a naked vote?
In post 155, Csareo wrote:I want to start a pressure wagon on one of the two.
There isn't enough information on ZZZx, which in itself is a scum tell.
If enough people are in, I would like to put the pressure on Nakedjogger.
Expresso, can you give a reads list?
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In post 164, Skelda wrote:That vote was scummy because as soon as the slightest mention of ZZZx being suspicious came up, you started running with that. With how active ZZZx has been, I don't think anyone should have a strong read on him. That isn't a unique read, it was an excuse to get on a wagon you'd hoped was taking off.
Someone said he lurks as scum and his comment about dayvigs seemed off. Was I supposed to factor in how it would look from your perspective that I vote him. Maybe as scum I would've.-
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I thought vengeballs = vote; unlimited vengeballs = unlimited votes. I was voting both and unvoted Pants. Confused.
Technically yes you have unlimited Vengeballs. The flavor dictates it that way. It also says that once you hit someone else with a vengeball, the first person you hit will have your vote removed.-
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In post 242, Espressojet wrote:Forum ate my post last night and I got a prod, great.
I'd be fine lynching ZZZX or yourself NJ. We have over five days left, and my stances on whom I am scum are clear (to my knowledge) so explain to me why I should feel such an immense pressure to place my vote right now.
I want to know what's going on with you and why you're not voting ZZZX.-
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In post 255, Espressojet wrote:I want to know why it's so important to you.
You're making it get important by dodging a legitimate question like that? Are you scum?
@Skelda I don't want to shift my focus from ZZZX right now. I get some interesting reactions for change.-
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Espressojet doesn't believe in voting like Mr Pink doesn't believe in tipping at a restaurant. It's just Mr. Pink had a conclusive argument to back it up.
I hope we lynch ZZZX, and if he's town I hope he shoots Espresso for not voting him.
I'd gladly punch you in the face Espresso
What you don't believe me?
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@Flubber How come you're unable to form a single conclusive argument about me being scummy in there?
Do you want me to be able to comment on something to clear it up or are that sure about me that you just didn't bother?
In post 275, Skelda wrote:Naked, what is the scum advantage of not voting when you've been asked to? That doesn't exactly stunt conversation because it draws attention to you.
I'm not crazy about how blended some of Espresso's posts feel, but I definitely have stronger scumreads. I would really rather Naked or Bull be lynched.
Idk, but it's not the towniest thing to do either.
Afaik your scumread on me has to do with post 99 and then solidified because I nakedvoted ZZZX. At that point I felt like you were tunneling me for disagreeing with your plan so I didn't really pay attention.
Would you mind summing up your case against me and why you feel like responding to the 'scum max advantage' debate, where I expressed my worries about naively discarding an aggressive scum tactic, was a legitimate cause to start a snowball which you and Espresso and now Flubber kept on feeding with no alignment indicative basis to speak of?
If I can't convince you that your theory about this supposed -voting for ZZZX before it got off- is a figment of your imagination than let's lynch ZZZX and if he flips scum I'll enjoy my uber towncred day2, and if he flips town you can lynch me tomorrow. That way I can catch more scum.
ZZZX doesn't look like he's going to blossom with pro-town activity any time soon. Just look at his latest posts.-
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In post 285, FakedBlogger wrote:@Flubber How come you're unable to form a single conclusive argument about me being scummy in there?
P-edit: or anyone for that matter-
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In post 301, Skelda wrote:In post 300, FakedBlogger wrote:ZZZX are you scum, or are these fuckers playing a number on us? Why aren't you more involved in this game?
Is it scummy to not be more involved in the game?
Skelda, your goddamn pointless comments are interfering with my inquiries. Can't you just wait until the guy responds before you let loose one of your dumbass questions?-
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In post 307, Skelda wrote:In post 306, FakedBlogger wrote:In post 301, Skelda wrote:In post 300, FakedBlogger wrote:ZZZX are you scum, or are these fuckers playing a number on us? Why aren't you more involved in this game?
Is it scummy to not be more involved in the game?
Skelda, your goddamn pointless comments are interfering with my inquiries. Can't you just wait until the guy responds before you let loose one of your dumbass questions?
It isn't pointless though! You know what your reason for voting ZZZX seems like? He isn't around as much as he ought to be and when he is around his posting is sparse and unhelpful. Yes, I get why you are annoyed by that! But you are wrong if you think that just because someone's play is unhelpful or annoying, they are scummy. Scum aren't out to annoy you. They aren't out to draw needless attention to themselves when they are perfectly capable of trying to fake a little scumhunting and blending in. The fact that ZZZX doesn't care about that makes me think Town. But obviously you are going to tug at whatever you can and you are probably going to push his lynch through. I really hope he shoots the right person.
What you did was interfering with me questioning ZZZX. You either lack patience as town or you are faking involvement, blending in as scum, it's all wifom.
ZZZX is scum for very basic reasons. If you are town you don't see the tree in the woods. In which case I don't need you telling me how pushing for a ZZZX lynch looks like, you do your thing and I do mine. I'm not annoyed.-
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Because my read on ZZZX was shit. And I probably persuaded him to shoot Skelda.
unvote
It was my way of saying:
I know how fucking scummy I look right now. Even more so that I don't have anything to say about that reaction test. I was just thinking I should do one but couldn't think of anything other than claiming to have done one on Skelda to see how people would react. I don't know how to interpret the results, sadly.-
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Well I might go ahead and trust you Pants. I need to sleep over it though.-
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In post 421, Dr Pants wrote:I got flubber to claim red godfather. I am town. god damn it.
also, as a note of interest. Bullish is now guaranteed to be blue scum. if he wasn't, then NJ would have been part of a quick lynch win for blue team.
Why would the red godfather claim, cmon man. You fucked up. Pants, Flubber scumteam
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The only way for a claimed red GF to win is if town lynches the blue goon, and then mislynches a townie who would then shoot the blue GF. Because Pants who he's supposed to trust to be town promised he wouldn't just do the sane thing and lynch him first if he is indeed town. LOL!
The 3 ways for an unclaimed red GF to win are:
a) town lynches blue GF and mislynches a townie who then shoots the other townie
b) town lynched blue goon and mislynches a townie who then shoots the blue GF
c) town lynches a townie who shoots the blue GF, while the red GF convinces the remaining townie to choose the victor in his favor.
Obviously Pants is scum though, who "threatened" his scumbuddy Flubber to vote for him if he doesn't claim red GF. Flubber claims red GF and now we're supposed to vote for Bullish and hand over the win to the blue scumteam. Are you fucking serious?
I have no time for this shit let's get these two out of the game so we can attend to our 2 townie vs 1 real red GF lylo.-
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In post 432, Dr Pants wrote:In post 430, FakedBlogger wrote:P-edit
There are 5 actually.
I forgot
d) town lynches blue goon, lynches blue GF and then mislynches and vengekills the last townie
e) similar to c but town lynches a townie who shoots the blue goon instead of GF, convincing....
you just slipped
its permanently lylo now, there are no more vengekills for town
Yeah, you're right about lylo. How is that a slip though and how is it a good idea for the red GF to claim. He can still win if he doesn't. Whereas if we lynch the blue GF he's fucked, if we lynch the blue goon and then the blue GF he's also fucked. If we lynch the blue goon it would be insane for us to leave him alive but even more insane for him to believe that he will be left alive by someone who could even be blue scum like you.
Bullish and Eek read the last 3 pages and vote Pants.-
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I see, well I'm sorry I called you pathetic. I meant your attempt to gambit town into a mislynch like that, probably wasn't that bad I just didn't fell for it. No hard feelings.
Those things you listed for the 3rd time now don't make you town.
In post 437, Dr Pants wrote:
and lastly, because I am actually setting up town to win this game. I got the red godfather to out. dont believe me? fine. but its probably not that you dont believe me. its probably that you are scum.
The thing that should convince anyone that you're scum is that you haven't expressed doubt about Flubber's claim, despite how I've explained how it would be a disastrous play for the red GF. You even enforce it saying that the real GF would CC if it was a fake claim.
There's no doubt you are scum. GG no re
In post 438, Dr Pants wrote:also slip is important because if you dont understand how the vengekill mechanic works, you likely are not town
I knew I remembered correctly, the vengekill ability is disabled only in 3p lylo, we're not there yet. Looks like you don't know how the vengeful townie mechanic works. But the thing is you immediately try to twist this to make me look scummy, with this incredibly illogical argument: that mafia are unaware of the factors that jeopardize their victory.-
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In post 445, Dr Pants wrote:also btw, its been almost a full day since i voted bullish. and its been almost a full day since you've voted me.
now lets put on our logic caps:
blue scum wins if a townie/red votes for a townie/red by organizing a quick hammer.
so, if a naked vote sits out for a long time, it means that either the voter is scum or the votee is scum.
i am voting bullish. so either i am scum or bullish is scum.
you are voting me. so either you are scum or i am scum.
i am not scum.
so, you and bullish are scum.
you made this too easy, you should have let bullish defend himself.
Defend himself from what. Ze Germans? You have no case on him that's not somehow stemming from the axiom that you and me are town.
Time is against you, I have been with you by helping you spam the thread, but now I'll shut up and let you get lynched in peace.-
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In post 441, Dr Pants wrote:the red godfather is essentially a conf town for today and tomorrow. it makes perfect sense for them to out themselves.
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THERE'S NO WAY FOR A CLAIMED RED GF TO WIN. NONE! NONE! NONE! because that promise bullshit of yours doesn't count and you can't possibly assume that the red GF would trust in it. THERE ARE 4 OR 5 WAYS FOR THE RED GF TO WIN IF HE DOESN'T CLAIM.
And that's where I draw the line. For real this time.
@Eek & Bullish don't fuck this up now. Just read this day's worth of material or replace out so someone else can. It's obvious Pants and Flubber are the blue scumteam. Aloha-
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All I did was try to make it obvious how those two gave themselves away, during which I may have given the impression that I'm the red GF but I'm town. We'll attend to that in 3p lylo now vote Pants or Flubber, I don't know if you are GF or the other townie but it's in your best interest regardless.-
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In post 486, Dr Pants wrote:You're a masterful town player NJ! You've crushed me and my almost good scum game, pulling town back from the brink of defeat with heroism and justice at heart!
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Eek if you're the red GF and you figure that if you lynch Bullish (a townie) instead of Pants/Flubber (who all but claimed blue scumteam today), then he'll vengekill one of the blue scum which leaves us 1v1v1 lylo, think again. There's no point in vengekilling because town already lost in that scenario... you'll be handing over the victory to blue scum so don't fuck up.-
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