Micro 377: Vengeballs. OVER!!!

[Dr Pants]

oh
well i misunderstood then
my bad

[Espressojet]

oh
well i misunderstood then
my bad

Straight up lied? When?

I wasn't suggesting you were bad at reading

me.

You townread me in other games, you'll do so here as well in time.

Me* sorry, I'm drunk

[Espressojet]

I didn't mean to quote that top one

[Skelda]

no, but you straight up lied
in 2 previous games, I ended up getting a correct read on you before the end of the first day
in the last game, i even stopped you from getting mislynched
so your suggestion that I'm bad at reading you is incorrect

You are grabbing strings and running with them. "Straight up lied" is such a gross exaggeration to make him sound way worse than he really is. He may have been slightly mistaken, but he wasn't lying. Scum would have no motive to completely fabricate evidence against you, anyway.

[ZZZX]

Must agree with skelda

[Espressojet]

I feel like this was a misunderstanding, rather than a scummy lynch push.

I'd hate to see someone get scumreads just because of a little interpretation issue.

Now, of course, there's an ok chance he actually IS scum (along with everyone else's chance to be scum), and there could be real scum intention behind these words, but I just don't see it right now.

[DoctorPepper]

Vote Count 1.01

NakedJogger(2)

- Clusk92, ZZZX

Dr Pants(2)

- NakedJogger, Csareo

aphix(1)

- Bullish

Clusk92(1)

- aphix

Espressojet(1)

- Dr Pants

Not Voting(2)

- Skelda, Espressojet,

Vote History:

Skelda
NakedJogger - Dr Pants
Bullish - aphix
aphix - Clusk92
ZZZX - Espressojet, NakedJogger
Espressojet - The Entire Freaking Playerlist, UNVOTE
Clusk92 - NakedJogger
Csareo - Clusk92, Dr Pants
Dr Pants - ZZZX, Csareo, Espressojet

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is on Saturday, August 30, 2014, 7:00 PM {(expired on 2014-08-30 19:00:00)}

Mod notes:

No way In hell im typing all of your initial votes Espressojet

[Espressojet]

But- But then how will people know my vote history??

(<3)

[Espressojet]

Actually, "The Entire Freaking Playerlist" suits me just fine.

[aphix]

Well this should be interesting. I've decide if I start town reading bullish we should lynch him. Also interested to see skelda again after we were scum buddies. And if I haven't played with zzx I've read some of his games. I'll have to check as I've been out of touch with MS until recently.

So honestly I just read though. Not currently a fan of pants or expresso. And that interaction leads to a vote. Hahah! It's all vibes so I don't have much to say on it.

Skeldas idea to stop vengekill is scum idea. Town based kills won't always hit scum but the tend to hit scummy players also can act like a vig and hit anti town lurkers etc. the kill shouldn't always be used but a purely town motivated kill does have benefits. Roles are reversed. Normally town only have words. Now there are more scum we have to use all out tools. And perhaps my vote should be here but I still hold a bit of vi attitude with skelda. That might be a mistake but we well see.

VOTE: espresso

[Bullish]

I can see pants and expression different scum teams.

[Dr Pants]

the idea that aggressive scum hunting play is coming from scum is stupid
why?
because scum doesnt want to get hit by vengeballs
best scum play is to stay quiet and get town read

[Espressojet]

The hell are you talking about? The best scumplay IMO is to scumhunt for the other team!

I was scum last vengeball game, and that's what made sense to me

[Dr Pants]

did you win?

[Espressojet]

Nah, Boonskiies fucked things up for me. I wasn't about to get lynched anytime soon, and I thought he was scum, but he was town and venge-killed me out of spite

[Dr Pants]

right
so as scum, the goal is to avoid being lynched and balled
scum wins by playing conservatively

[Espressojet]

Eh... You're right, actually...

[Csareo]

FOS on pants
Can someone give me the case for expresso?
He could go either way for me.

[Csareo]

UNVOTE: pants
We are making to many assumptions, way to fast.

[aphix]

I haven't played vengeball. Is it so different then multiball? I think playing as town and scumhunting the team is a completely legitimate strategy. Especially here. Scum isn't going to night shoot you for looking town. You do it right and someone thinks your town they won't vengekill you. I think the statement that was made was to be conservative about townreadinf someone

[aphix]

I haven't played vengeball. Is it so different then multiball? I think playing as town and scumhunting the team is a completely legitimate strategy. Especially here. Scum isn't going to night shoot you for looking town. You do it right and someone thinks your town they won't vengekill you. I think the statement that was made was to be conservative about townreadinf someone

For scumhunting is true. That's not a town read in this game. It might be if someone helped flip people from both teams if you don't think its a bus. But that's about it.

[FakedBlogger]

This thread was suffering from a minor case of there's not enough discussion going on. I guess Dr Pants did a decent job to remedy it.

But I don't see the point of speculating scum's strategy unless you want to give them the occasion to get away with doing the opposite.

[Dr Pants]

if scum plays sub-optimally on purpose than its a win for town

plus, if you know what scum is likely to do, then all you have to do is look for who is doing it

btw though, that post was the equivalent of a prod dodge. add that you are scum reading me and voting me, but finding my actions pro town, and I think you go in the scummy pile.

[FakedBlogger]

then why aren't you voting me?

[FakedBlogger]

Optimal play for scum is to bully people into voting for who they want.

If they can do that without fear of repercussion because they have succeeded in manipulating town into thinking they wouldn't be aggressive that's just dandy for scum.

Optimal play for town is to put scum into a corner and force scummy mistakes. You haven't been doing that despite talking more than the average player so I'm still voting you