Micro 365 - ALL YEAR LONG haha see what i did there (over)

[Maruchan]

Egopost, is typically done by Hydra Heads (which imo is the stupidest shit ever, because it ENCOURAGES alt-slipping) in order to put the game in your "egosearch", why those two did it, if they aren't a hydra, is beyond me, but I would assume they were too busy to post actual content, which is stupid on page one. So I really have no IDEA why those two felt the need to egopost unless they are a hydra.

Dr pants is town. Process of elimination makes xyzack scum. Why is pants town? Because his (albeit defunct) arguments on why activity interacting within your group is good.

[Maruchan]

I don't get it

[Maruchan]

OH I GET IT

game # 365

[Maruchan]

@maru Pants hasn't really interacted with the group, just me

I think he's done more out of the group, what does that say to you?

He's done more out of the group, because he's been more active than the rest of the group. While interacting with your group should be priority #1, doesn't mean you should ignore the rest of the game, like you instigating a discussion with me and me responding.

He interacted with his group while they were active, and while they weren't but he was still available, he still put his best effort into the game.

Stilltown.

[Maruchan]

maru's scum though, the scum read on xay is bull

uhm.

I have to either scum read him
or I have to scum read you.

I've town read you.

Therefor he is scum, or the town who must be lynched, either way, he is as good as scum.

I didn't actually have a read, as i stated, by process of elimination he is scum.

Either you are scum
or he is scum

If the above two statements are untrue, see the above two statements and substitute scum for "the lynchee", in which case, I prefer the word scum, as it is easier and quicker to type.

[Maruchan]

PoE scumreads arent anything big

But what bugs me is she thinks there's 1 scum in our group

So could be that because she's the 1 scum, she's playing with that mindset, and got quick with the PoE

see above post. I consider all groups to have one scum, because, we have to lynch from all groups regardless. So rather than saying "while I think X is town, and Y is null, I'm going to go ahead and vote my Y-Null read, because, hey. I have to" it's easier to just process of elimination as scum.


ugh I can already see I am going to hate this day 1 immensely.

[Maruchan]

plus his read on me ignores the part where I claimed scum, and his read on you ignores the part where you reacted to me

in essence, he ignored possible evidence for a case and instead opted to do his reads via PoE

>because someone claiming scum is ever not a gambit.

[Maruchan]

Hi.

So I'm here but limited access. My egopost was just a replace dodge.

Initial thoughts are that there is almost definitely a scum in Huckleberries. I lile Xayzeck, for the scumbutt I was thinking Pants initially for his seeming paranoia in RVS. Now leaning Maru, hated their opening and their Xayzeck read. Pants and Maru should be cross voting.

Overall liking Naz more than sns right now. We should absolutely be hunting outside of our groups and I am wary of anyone suggesting we shouldn't. If there's something you want to ask of someone and the people in the group aren't asking it you definitely should be. Plus only interacting in our groups allows any d1 scum to completely avoid any relational tells .

VOTE: SNS

let's *not* try to direct other groups. If anyone crossvotes it should be me and xayzeck, and pants gets the hammer. But I won't agree to that, because I know pants thinks I am scum because I chose to ignore the fact that I have a 33% chance of being *REQUIRED* to miss-lynch a townie by game rules, and pretend in my happy go lucky make believe world, that I'm either lynching town, or lynching scum.

[Maruchan]

(PS: the above wasn't implying we shouldn't scumhunt outside of groups, just saying you shouldn't play overlord to another group's votes. Like you did.)

[Maruchan]

Pant's self voting as soon as I saw it i knew was a stupid insincere way to make a funny RVS, for (i'm assuming) someone who doesn't like the RVS stage. I already knew self-votes weren't counted. I didn't say he was more active was my townread. I town-read him specifically for saying essentially what me and snscompt just said. He said we should not try to point scum at people outside of our groups, or try to influence others' day1-votes. I don't remember exactly, but it was a post near the top of page two that made me fall in love with dr pants. all the back and forth day one "self voting, he sheeped an ego post, etc" bullshit was just day1 filler to get the game started. Dr Pants kicked off the actual content in the game with his page 2 posts, and he did so in a towny light. Therefore, in my happy go lucky make believe world where I have a chance of lynching scum, I used process of elimination to determine of dr pants was NOT scum, that meant xayzeck WAS scum. The reason I didn't vote him is that would put two votes on him, and i believed both of the other groups had a single vote out already, meaning we had a *CHANCE* that if I had put down the second vote, I put the game at L-2, and in this setup scummer can justifiabley quick-hammer an L-2 without *TOO* much suspicion if they play it right.

I didn't want that to happen.

[Maruchan]

the towniest thing that can be done at this point is to engage with your group. as town, you know that most likely 1 of the 2 people in your group is scum. so, upon entry into the game, why would you be inclined to show you agree with a statement someone from your group (who could easily be scum) about someone who isn't in your group.

obviously all page 1 reads can change, but that's what my initial reaction to N_M was

this was my townread of pants

[Maruchan]

Page 1 reads!!!

xay is town
naz is semi town
sns is town b/c he called N_M and

N_M is scum
Salamance is scum

both get scum reads for not engaging with their fruit groups

but i dont like this

[Maruchan]

And now Pants lost his town read.

79 says in layman's terms "i think you're scum because i already committed myself to buddying xayzeck and called him town so i can't call maruchan town he must be scum"

[Maruchan]

>hey look i self voting in first game post
>hey look me and someone else bullshitted and made funny he has a sense of humor
>sense of humor must be town


yeah, making a joke = town. Good scumhunting there.

[Maruchan]

Lol. Joking is harder to fake as scum because it can get you in trouble.
Frankie says relax! Go do it! If you wanna go do it!

Anyways, scum tend to be more serious. I have a distinct scum vs town personality that I cant seem to shake.

Pants is town in my books. Mostly.

I have never once heard of this serious vs playfulness tell before, and can definitely say I do nto conform to it.

So if my "seriousness" is the entirety of Pants' scumread on me, I suggest he goes and reads pretty much any game except for great/er/est/cracking idea micros I have played in, to see how serious I am.

[Maruchan]

Since Xay's reaction was to say "uhhh no" and instantly vote me, I see Xay as town

uh. no he didn't. He fucked around with you for a few posts making jokes, then dropped an RVS on you.

[Maruchan]

Scum is much more inclined to play with their brains than with their balls. Xay was playing with his balls on page 1.

Lol Pants needs 2 lrn 2 maruchan.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=58217
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=58403


In fact, after looking at my wiki I just noticed a trend.
As a bad guy (disregarding greater idea upick where me dying was pro-win-con), I have NEVER been Lynched day 1, or killed night 1. As Town. I have more day 1 lynches under my belt than any other 5 day/night phases combined.

So no, as town, I tend to play serious and get lynched the fuck out of for it. As scum I tend to bullshit and fuck around and last a long time as it.

Pants is now scum, xay is still null

[Maruchan]

...

you need to learn to read.

I said as SCUM I have never been lynched day one.
I said as town I die more often day one than anything else. I think half of my deaths are town day 1 lynches.

[Maruchan]

Call me when you have 4X as many games under your belt as you currently do, and tell me you've never been lynched, and 'll be impressed.

[Maruchan]

lol @ salamence

[Maruchan]

Scum have daytalk, so relational tells will not be as strong as in night-talk games, and scum can furthermore coordinate closely.

I checked the rule list for this game and the original. Scum daytalk is never listed. Everyone in your group should be voting you asap.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5723113
Rule 7

[Maruchan]

Scum have daytalk, so relational tells will not be as strong as in night-talk games, and scum can furthermore coordinate closely.

I checked the rule list for this game and the original. Scum daytalk is never listed. Everyone in your group should be voting you asap.

Isn't this also what I JUST finished calling you town, for suggesting we NOT do it? (playing overlord to other group's votes?)

[Maruchan]

Scum have daytalk, so relational tells will not be as strong as in night-talk games, and scum can furthermore coordinate closely.

I checked the rule list for this game and the original. Scum daytalk is never listed. Everyone in your group should be voting you asap.

also, the open role pm says "At anytime until your death"

Can'y decide if towntell, or failed as scum to do a decent cursory look to see if daytalk is mentioned outside of scum qt, and used it to paint a town scummy.

[Maruchan]

opinions =/= directing votes

[Maruchan]

Not Mafia and Dr Pants are the scum.

[Maruchan]

The fact maru didnt vote you bothers me too.

VOTE: AC

I explained why i won't vote until I am ready for a lynch. I think twice even

go read.

[Maruchan]

In short, scum avoids the gambit, town is attracted to it.

Wait, are you claiming your selfvote day 1 was a gambit to get town to react? Really? Did you think that all out before posting or was it an afterthought?

yes. given that I've played with maru once before and with xay multiple times, I figured it would be the quickest way to get a read on them. I planned it out before the game had started, when I saw from the initial game that self votes did not count (although they apparently do in this game). Given that I only needed to read 2 players, it seemed like a good idea. In a larger setup I would never try something like that, since with a larger number of people involved it gets messy.

so your saying this gambit was custom built to us both.

I wonder then exactly what town-reaction and scum-reactions you were expecting from me, and how that 1-game we've played (which i don't even remember, you made such little impression) explains how whatever those reactions were were so meaningful to you.


For the record, if I had been there, my reaction would have been to point out that selfvotes don't count, and then ignore it.



@ac, my group has not achieved lynch. You're safe

[Maruchan]

@naz will answer after i see more of ac.

[Maruchan]

In short, scum avoids the gambit, town is attracted to it.

Wait, are you claiming your selfvote day 1 was a gambit to get town to react? Really? Did you think that all out before posting or was it an afterthought?

yes. given that I've played with maru once before and with xay multiple times, I figured it would be the quickest way to get a read on them. I planned it out before the game had started, when I saw from the initial game that self votes did not count (although they apparently do in this game). Given that I only needed to read 2 players, it seemed like a good idea. In a larger setup I would never try something like that, since with a larger number of people involved it gets messy.

@Dr Pants How did you plan that self vote reaction test for Maru and Xay before the game started if you had no way to know the groups?

I would have done it regardless of who was in my group. It happened to be Maru and Xay, but I've played with Salamance, Espresso, you, Sns, and Aegor before as well. Additionally, I explained the generic thought process here. Note that it is completely independent of who is in my group:

here's my thought process behind all of this, if you think its wrong in some way then go for it but you should at least gather that I thought this through:

I self vote, and claim scum. In doing so, I rob both you and Xay of the ability to do and RVS vote.

Now, in cases where town claims scum and tries to get lynched, what is the optimal move for scum to make? If scum engages with said townie, they have to fake 2 reactions: reacting to the scum claim and reacting to the town flip. Additionally, spearheading a lynch against a player who pulled a gambit like that would throw a lot of focus and attention onto whoever did so. In short, engaging with a townie who claimed scum is a bad idea as scum.

Now, as town, if a player claims scum then the optimal move is to vote that person. There is no need to worry about the flip and any attention that may come form it.

In short, scum avoids the gambit, town is attracted to it. Since Xay's reaction was to say "uhhh no" and instantly vote me, I see Xay as town. Since you opened by scum reading Xay via PoE, I see you as scum.

Scum is much more inclined to play with their brains than with their balls. Xay was playing with his balls on page 1.

Note the first quote, where he specifically mentions how selfvoting gambit helps him get a read on the two people in his group *because he'd played with them before*

Then in the second he says the selfvote was *completely independant of who was in his group* so it would help him get a read on people he HADN'T played with before.

I'm confused

which is it?

[Maruchan]

note as well that I have not gotten a response on this from Maru

I don't understand what you're wanting me to respond to?!?!?

you need to ask me something for me to respond to it!

[Maruchan]

to answer the hydra's question, the scum are Not_Mafia, ac, and Pants


@AC, a NL = mafia pick all thee lynches.

[Maruchan]

no I changed my mind when you started not practicing what you preach, trying to lead the votes around like NM, and started gambiting out the wazoo and pretty much acting shady.

[Maruchan]

AC is town because he had the hammer for multiple hours, and posted while having the hammer, and didn't become opportunistic scum to hammer it. everyone was ready for a lynch, there would have been no scummy vibes if ac had hammered, so therefore, ac is town.

[Maruchan]

Well I'm pretty much huckleberry's lynch and cba to come up with a case as to why dr pants is a better vote than me. since xay can't see it's glaring obviousness itself, so can we hurry up and get a hammer from the third group?

[Maruchan]

As much as I think Pants is the scum in my group, I'm curious about a scum motivation for getting me lynched from xayzeck and how likely it might be. In a situation where most of the game is scumreading Pants, but Pants is scumreading me over xayzeck, IF xayzeck were scum, would it not be in scum's best interest to lynch me with Pants to get rid of the townier of the two town in the group of three rather than lynch Pants with approval from the rest of the game?

I'm not saying at all I think this is the situation, I'm just curious if anyone else thinks that is a good scum play as well, yakno? Because I just thought of it and it reeked of scum brilliance to me.


still thinks pants is the scum and xyzeck is the town, but food for thought.

[Maruchan]

Single incidents of forced townieness may not imply scum, but when EVERYTHING is forced townieness, a towny shouldn't have to force their townieness 24/7. Sure here and there is understandable, but repeatedly and constantly consistently having to force your townieness implies scum

[Maruchan]

At this point I think Pants is scummy but I'm WIFOM'ing the shit out of myself thinking xayzeck may just be brilliant scum hiding behind the me vs pants.

[Maruchan]

i actually like that idea. Now to decide if he just towntold by sacrificing himself, or if this is WIFOM to make it APPEAR as if he'd sacrifice himself, when in reality he wouldn't. If the first, then i definitely think xayzeck is the brilliant scum hiding behind Pants vs Maru fighting, and if the second then pants is defo scums still.

[Maruchan]

but see, by being willing to lynch yourself, if you are TRULY willing, thats definitely towntelling to me. Which makes me want to lynch xayzeck over you. Unfortunately the only way to truly tell if you intend to self lynch is to have it happen, at which point your death vote is the town-tell, and no time to change.


grrrrr.

I think I'm down for xayzeck over pants by this point.

[Maruchan]

I'll make it easy by hammering myself

This might be selfish, but I don't really care.
Worst case scenario: we've lynched the obvious day 2 target (me), and 2 people who would be the most suspicious in their groups tomorrow anyways.

You can't hammer yourself, SELF VOTES DON'T COUNT.

They do. Go look at vote counts,

[Maruchan]

That aside though, I would be down for the plan.

Except I'm not a big fan of lynching town when I could be lynching scum.

All that's needed is to wait for the rest of the playerlist to pop in to realize you're town, and we can get rid of this "oh i'm getting lynched tomorrow", because that's not going to happen anyway.

yup, VOTE: Xayzeck

Pants has been towntelling with his plan, and my earlier suspicions of genius!scum xayzeck just got confirmed

[Maruchan]

I think I'm down for xayzeck over pants by this point.

How did your Pants scumread dissolve so darn quick?

because since he unvote'd, he's been towntelling the shit out of himself

[Maruchan]

because since he unvote'd, he's been towntelling the shit out of himself

And the play before he unvoted? Have the problems you had with those dissolved?

the play since outweighs the play before, such that in the scales of scummy actions on one side and towny actions on the other, the towny side is currently heavier and therefore the dominant factor in said scales.

trust the scales.
They never lie.

[Maruchan]

ac.

you're spouting that Pants is scum and he needs to die.

and you JUST gave him the hammer in a cross vote between me and xayzeck.



Because I don't like pants having a hammer at the moment and ac was stupid giving it to him

[Maruchan]

UNVOTE: (tagfail)

[Maruchan]

somebody fucking unvote and get xayzeck off of the hammer.

[Maruchan]

Salamence why are you that quick to switch your vote off of espresso? Seems kind of wishy washy to me

[Maruchan]

Well for your sake I hope you're right but I still think you're a sub optimal lynch for your group and I hope at least one of the other two agrees

I've already stated I agree and want xayzeck over pants. Ive also asked the hammer be removed fro. Has hands but we'll see. Since I won't be able to get on for awhile I'll VOTE: xayzeck