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I woke up with mosquitoes eating my arm and I'm going back to bed and I'm gonna read this later
My slot is town and I think it's odd how sure you are that this is mafia, Ari. Hertas ISO is entirely NAI no?
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I have yet to investigate it. what I read from both aristeia and datisi are things I dislike. I liked your early push on herta back on page 5? calling her single post a 'lurkerscum post' that you can't even pursue for reasons.In post 448, mykonian wrote:Yes, it has been a bad wagon, who's the worst vote on there?In post 445, Gimli wrote:
I fail to see how herta not playing at all, not making a single read, dropping the game and replacing out is scummy.
@ari this is the push myko is making that I'm referring toIn post 112, mykonian wrote:See, now look what you've done Herta gets to make a lurkerscum post and doesn't have to respond to the fact that he's on a E-1 wagon. And I don't even get to call him out for it!In post 101, mykonian wrote:Because if you don't pressure someone what are you doing. And herta is there as a RVS, they'll get cold feet (or they don't) and it'll be interesting to see what they do. And if someone quickhammers, that'd be very convenient too, wouldn't it. Tomorrow would be easy.In post 83, Alisae wrote: Is there a reason why I would want to put it in hammer range right now? I don't think I need to use my vote to add to the pressure at the moment.
So yes, I don't see why you'd wait. Risk/reward is on your side.
okay to the first paragraph.In post 460, Aristeia wrote: "what kind of mind thinks that way"
i mean it is pretty simple what I said about herta. i think he has a tendency to not post when he is scum and i think if he was town he would not have kept his vote on his rvs as it got run up. i think he is usually more interested in the game when he is town and interacts with people more.
if i am wrong and he just happened to decide this game to not play as a townie then it just happens that this was a game he chose not to play.
i think my thoughts are fairly simple and easy to understand. i dont think mykonian has any trouble understanding them.
that's what I called a pushIn post 463, Aristeia wrote:
that is not a push
a push is a vote and getting people to vote someone
making a casual comment about how someone is lurking without pressuring them in anyway is not a push
if anything its poorly constructed distancing
I expect much more from you than just your push on herta. I don't see eagerness to solve. right now talking to you I see you haven't even tried to update a read from a poster with 3 posts (which even if your meta read was 100% herta's scum game it could still be NAI due to RL, that happens to literally everybody) to his replacement who produced a lot more content and is throwing it all in your direction.In post 466, Aristeia wrote: "not being townie" and "your stances are too safe"
these are just catchphrases and not an accurate assessment of my play.
I an pushing the person I believe to be scum. it is not "safe".
it is much "safer" play to simply tag along with someone else's push such as Myko's on Aureal, Alisae's on Datisi or Datisi's on Andante.
oh youIn post 468, Aristeia wrote:
your own posting is to omgus at me and not really develop anywhere else
it looks antispewy to me because I am town.
I'm on page 6, I might finish it today but it could take a while still. but I read ari's ISO and some other minor things to make sure where I'm going with this.In post 477, Wavelength wrote: Gimli, what page are you on for your catch up at this point?
reading up now.In post 480, Wavelength wrote: Have you read page 6? Or just opened page 6?
omg klick locktownIn post 141, Klick wrote:I actually hard townread Aureal and have talked about it in the threadIn post 139, Andante wrote:bruhh it's not "I'd vote there but that makes it e-1" please explain why you're currently voting me then if you have no interest in my wagonIn post 136, Klick wrote:Yeah, I'd vote there but I don't want the wagon to grow too big just yetIn post 131, Andante wrote: I like 128, are you thinking Aureal not town?
I just wanted to see what you'd say if I hard countered my thread narrative to see if you really hadn't read the thread. I think the answer is probably yes?
I expect town!datisi to look at alisae's post in this page and then look at aristeia's post in the same page and see the differences in treatment from a townie slot that's playing the game always from a suspicious and uninformed mindset to one that isn't doing that. even if you don't scumread aristeia I don't see how - and I know e is pushing you for whatever reason e is pushing you - you don't see er as towny.In post 148, Alisae wrote: I really don’t get the tantrum and I don’t really see how these votes are the end of the world if you’re a villager. Like I feel like you should still be able to play and try to generate something that’s useful or helpful even after death?
alisae whyIn post 168, Alisae wrote:VOTE: aurealIn post 167, mykonian wrote: It's completely different from here where she goes into a vote on me without talking about me at all till the vote, then coming up with logical reasons from the posts where I accuse her without actually calling out why I'm stupid to even think those reasons could apply to her here. She's not calling out the evidence, but calls out that I don't talk about andante when asked and instead talk about her.
I explained the part of your post that is "great" and it's not the part where you're scumreading my slot. anyone can think that a person with 3 posts in one week is a scum slot, but knowing it's town, and after checking herta's ISO, my immediate response was to check who's pushing that and how. as I said to ari I don't care much for the scumread on herta itself, but the reasons why people are doing that. you didn't explain yours in that post, I don't care about it it doesn't and shouldn't affect either my read on you or my read on aristeia. aristeia is pushing herta for herta's meta of lurking as scum. herta's ISO shows they have a procedure and couldn't play the game, so it feels like hiding behind meta to push a lurker, from my POV from when I replaced in. my interactions with aristeia were not great, I don't see her talking to me in good faith, so my position is that I think she is scum. I've been liking other datisi's posts in other parts of the game, and I'm not unidimensional to just do everything from the standpoint of 'are they pushing my slot or not', that was just how I entered the game because it's from what position I'm playing.In post 489, Wavelength wrote:Oof.In post 483, Gimli wrote: your #126 is great
Gimli, why is your incredulousness at people scum reading Herta'a small iso limited to the people who are voting for you right now?
For reference, my "great" postWhy did me saying this not get a reaction like Ari saying it did? Because I think I am town?In post 126, Wavelength wrote: This might be a spicy take (/s), butherta's posts are bad.
I also think that Aureal's actual responses to me make me feel less good about their alignment then Klick's theoretical explanation for their earlier posting.
In that case, why did someone you think is town saying it, not lead to questioning the scumminess of others doing it?
I think this is a scummy post. there's excessive posturing wrt herta without going there and I can clearly see how myko and herta would be viewed as aligned. I also think the 'yeah herta is scum but flipping them is boring' an alarming take in a 9er with 2 scum. 'boring' is half the game if you're so sure about it.In post 285, mykonian wrote:So sure, he's lurkerscum. Which is why by the time of the deadline we are going to Elim him (I just noticed I got that wrong in the previous post, apologiesIn post 279, Aristeia wrote: it is the lack of posting actually@MOD). But it's a bit boring.
Fine, next point then. How am I attached. You've got a plan ready.
I agree. He had promised he was going to post that evening, it would have been fun to see him post while he somehow as on the E-1 wagon. Wavelength is there for a reason, I am there for a reason, Lisa was there for a reason and Herta is not. So it's not a real E-1 wagon, and there's only two honest votes on Aureal atm. It's one reason why I really wanted Lisa on that wagon, as stated. If somehow it goes to completion with Herta never saying a thing about it that's pretty scummy. He'd have to address it in his next post.In post 280, Aristeia wrote: his rvs vote got run up to e-1 and he is just doing nothing
that feels like scum who doesnt care about solving and thinking how nice it would be if his rvs gets elimmed on d1 without him doing anything
i think town would at least feel alarmed that his rvs vote got to e-1 before he expressed a read on it.
Sadly we got the unvote and such, but such is life.
andante, can you expand on your klick scumread?In post 297, Andante wrote: klick seems very different this game and not in a good way (he was town last game)
what's pinging you so hard?In post 499, Wavelength wrote: I don't actually think that I need to work very hard for it.
Seems likely with my vote there now, I can just go afk for a couple days and he will be dead.
what I don't expect you to do is paint a wildly unfair picture of my posts to maintain your herta scumread. since you did that I think you're mafia now.In post 508, Aristeia wrote: how do you expect town!ari to approach you?
alisae is an informed JOAT. if there is another JOAT, then it's also a JOAT with messenger and fruit vending shots. @ali if I understand this correctly, if there's another JOAT in the game then it has your EXACT role, right?In post 225, Alisae wrote: I’ll claim in full just to make things easier
Informed JOAT w/ w messenger shots and 2 fruit vendor shots.
I’m informed that if someone can perform a misc action, they have my role. So not only is this the JOAT shots but ALSO they are informed.
It’s the kind of role one looks at in this context and can easily go “yep, both wolves have this role” and I think writing said conclusion off entirely because my pm states that just because many exist with my role but it’s not necessary the same alignment is naive. Just considering the pov of a designer here and I can see someone wanting to design a game of this nature and call it complex.
because anyone can have a tough week. herta didn't play, had some RL stuff and replaced out. you can scumread it but you should also be nuanced with that read instead of kinda tunnely with it and then hard tunneling his replace in by just framing everything he does as scummy. I don't believe your scumread on me. I think you're doing this thing where you ask a bunch of things that lead to nowhere like 'what posts of yours are towny' to clutter the thread with a 1v1 that nobody else will read so people write you off as upset towny instead of scum. It's better if we both engage with other slots if you're tunneling me, cause from my end of things I'll be tunneling you as well. if you're trying to find me ITT and townread me you can do it with all the content I produced already.In post 518, Aristeia wrote: why can't I just be town who believes herta is polarized and doesnt post when he is mafia?
I'm not saying that.In post 522, Aristeia wrote: you are claiming i am scum for not thinking you are town. that is why i am asking you which posts of yours i should be townreading.
because for you to believe ari = scum for not townreading me. you also have to believe that town!ari would townread you.
so i am asking you which posts town!ari should be townreading you for.
and now you're grabbing at something from the latter parts of my catch up, when I was simultaneously seeing where you could come from in these pages and stated that ITT at least three times, to then beat me up with it with 'oh but you think im scum' when clearly I'm taking that into account in my reads. do I have to think you wouldn't make a svs pair that makes sense as scum? is that a hard thing for you to post as scum?In post 526, Aristeia wrote: actually your scumread of me is even worse than that
you are saying that you can see why I would think Myko/Herta are aligned as a townie. But ari is scum anyway because I said so
I'm a scumsiding potato who's horrible at mafia, of course I'll sheep you on andante. I have no preference between andante and aristeia, my ari read is just louder because I'm interacting with her and we're 1v1ing. I think the way you caught andante on page 5-6 and their subsequent AtE are >>rand scum and I'm inclined to go there.In post 544, Klick wrote: Gimli fwiw out of Ari/Andante I have a slightly stronger opinion on Andante being a potential wolf
I'm fine with being on Aristeia regardless but if you're feeling similarly about both of them then Andante's my personal preference
see, you metadived me and went nowhere with it like I said you would.In post 545, Wavelength wrote: I asked the question because you asked me why I thought you were scummy, and one of the reasons was that your method of catching up: the spoiler tags for a page by page catch up, where you grabbed lots and lots of quotes - seemed performative in nature especially given the size of the game at this point. I wanted to double check that it was not just a play style thing.
Because I had the time, and did not to actually wait for your response, I went and scanned through your rep in games already. I did not see that style of catch up in any game actually, although to be fair most of them were repping in much later, I did find one where you came in on page 10 of day 1 (compared to page 16 of Day 1 this game), and you responded to an average of less then 1 post per page
Spoiler:
Compared to this game, where during your catch up, you grabbed an average of 9 posts per page
So yeah, your catch up looked very performative. Designed to look like a townie with lots of thoughts about the game vs the things that town you would have actually gravitated toward.
okay, all I can say is your read is potatoes, you're not paying close attention to my posts and how I'm solving your slot as opposed to ari's slot. instead of counting how many things I'm quoting in my last game or whatever, you should be looking at my reads progressions here.In post 552, Wavelength wrote:I also hate your approach to the idea that I scum read you vs the idea that Ari scum reads you.In post 532, Gimli wrote: but wave I want you to express clearly why you think I'm scummy. I don't think you did that yet, even though you seem so sure about it.
Your earlier response that you just glanced over my scum read of your slot because it came without reason, compared to Ari's which came with a vocalized argument that you were able to fight against, feels like scum to me.
You have since then left me as one of your strongest town reads, while trying to get me to make an argument that you can fight against. Which also feels like scum to me. You seem more focused on fighting to make people think that you are town, then actually just... being town.
(And also, I agree that Herta's lack of content / pop in not addressing the wagon they were on / repping out, all seem more likely to come from scum)
you found a wrong answer lolIn post 557, Wavelength wrote:If you actually read the post that I made, you would see that I found the exact answer to the question that I had.In post 554, Gimli wrote: see, you metadived me and went nowhere with it like I said you would.
klick is my top townread though.In post 568, Aristeia wrote:gimli lets just say you are townIn post 565, Gimli wrote:you found a wrong answer lolIn post 557, Wavelength wrote:If you actually read the post that I made, you would see that I found the exact answer to the question that I had.In post 554, Gimli wrote: see, you metadived me and went nowhere with it like I said you would.
but okay wave good talk
if wave and i are both town and both found the wrong answer, why do you think Klick found the right answer but wont tell us how he got there?
could it be because klick has a little cheat sheet with the right answers to start with?
Hi aureal good to be playing with u againIn post 585, Aureal wrote:]
I am a little curious as to how you have expectations for what I would do in regards to people scumreading me; there was very little of that going on in that game since I got to skip tripping over my own feet in the early game by replacing in on page six, with a nice juicy argument that I can sink my teeth into sitting there waiting for me.
Because even though we are not under time constraints, D1 ends Thursday and waiting for the weekend literally means not being able to flip the slot this gameday.In post 592, Andante wrote: yall want to lim a slot that's done nothing? when I told yall I will definitely give stuff this weekend? like, good logic
I wish I had your confidenceIn post 639, Aristeia wrote: "lol kill me im not going to be around"
-> e-1 vote
-> "actually im a PR"
in a 9p
is almost always scum
In post 651, Klick wrote:It goes against every single thing she was posting klick. She was pushing me and you and then hammered our wagonIn post 650, Gimli wrote: I'm not locktowning aristeia over this if andante flips mafia lol no way
But we flip dats first
That's assuming andante flips mafia
She's not town for the hammer she's town for the thoughts behind the hammer
she is persuasiveIn post 673, Enchant wrote: bruh
I think this particular scumread is concerning when there are a few people in this game strong townreading aureal and some of us might have meta with her, so I don't feel like mykonian was acting in good faith around this scumread.In post 576, mykonian wrote:Oh my. Do I have a wagon for you.In post 535, Aristeia wrote: hardomgusing his primary pusher is literally the easiest move for a scum under pressure to do.
Can I interest you in Aureal?
I told you just use Silver, it's easy on the eyeIn post 684, Enchant wrote: Looking at different forum color inflicts pain i didn't know exist...
But we have informed potato joats which I think makes it unfair for mafia for how heavily into it we can mech spec, given how alisae treated their role itgIn post 824, Aristeia wrote:2 masons vs 2 wolves is balanced in 9pIn post 821, Gimli wrote: How tf they put masons in a 9er
WthIn post 825, Enchant wrote: I also have investigative ability. So meh.