Timeshift Mafia III [Game Over]

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Started reading this when I requested to replace in
I'm about halfway current.
Was hoping for a dayvig role pm so I could shut up Navy SEAL James.

hi ssbm and LUV

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His #427 is a joke among various gut pingings.

plz share other "gut pingings"

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@ssbm
can you help a bro out
and give me the game-state from your pov?

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I find that a normal cop would fir better with the setup tbh. That is waht really makes me think that James is lying.

Why would a "normal cop fit better with the setup"?

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@Narna
@ssbm
@pep

When you come back plz don't miss questions for each of you in my short ISO

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and the quote trees and walls in this game are killing me
17 players is too many for this style of posting

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In recent news...
I like ssbm's 532
I like zekro's 534
something about that hydra doesn't sit right with me. Pure gut.

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sheeping ssbm for now
VOTE: Harp

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@Grey
are you from Epic Mafia?

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@Grey
are you from Epic Mafia?

No.

How does my answer to that question impact your read of this slot?

-G

It doesn't.
noticed a lot of players from EM showing up here lately with obnoxious arrogant 'tudes.
wondering if it's some kinda EM site-meta.
what's it like hydra-ing with someone whose play-style is so different from yours?

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Fuzzy is probably town solely for his entrance and how consistent his tone has been throughout.

Tone consistency is a town tell for a player with six posts?

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BTW we're gonna stop signing posts now.

Why?

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Game is bad.
needs more Navy SEAL James posts

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reads are coming really slow for me...
ssbm & Zekro are my townie home-boys
no clue about the rest of you
but I might re-read this afternoon is there's time in between my pedicure and barn fumigation

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Does anybody wanna hear a Hitler joke?
fair warning its not very funny

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Why are you town reading Zekro?

posts are honest
genuine-looking read on James
asking good questions

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@ssbm
find me some more townies so we can town-bloc

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What do you think about his vigilante question?

looks like town trying to sort players
but could be easily faked so prob NAI

Also, what do think about him not voting anyone currently and being one of the few people that has yet to vote?

I don't have strong reads yet either, so I get it.

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he'll claim something important shortly before the day ends in order to try to cause a nolynch.

Way to burst my bubble. I was hoping to surprise everyone.

Claim. Now.

Are you claiming quintuple-voter here?
bcuz to me it looks like Sly is at L-6

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@James
who are your town-reads?

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and the quote trees and walls in this game are killing me
17 players is too many for this style of posting

I'm claiming

2-Shot Conciserizer

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Target: Ramcius
Target: CommKnight

All your posts must now be under 100 words (including quotes) or you will be mod-killed.

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Dammit that won't go into effect until tomorrow!!!!!!!

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if it wasn't clear

2-Shot Conciserizer

is not a real role as far as I know
but I wish it were

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@James
who are your town-reads?

ssbm seems town

Any others?

Also, what did you learn about other players from their reactions to your first post claim?

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@James
who are your town-reads?

ssbm seems town

Any others?

Also, what did you learn about other players from their reactions to your first post claim?

^plz answer

VOTE: James

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I learned that SlySly, Comm, LoX, and Uzi are scum. I learned that ssbm and Ramcius are very probably town. I don't make "light" reads.

4 hard scum reads
2 hard town reads
but not really pushing anything?
you got a link to this other site you played on?

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I've been pushing SlySly for a while.

Looks more like defending yourself than pushing a desired lynch

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Deadline is on 1/30 at 5:30pm EST, in (expired on 2017-01-30 17:30:00).

^This snuck up on me.
926 is a good catch.
I'll do some re-reading tonight

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I didn't re-read, but I want a Ram lynch for infoz after these last two pages.


VOTE: Ram

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There are some terrible things in this world
but I refuse to believe that there exists an online Mafia forum so shitty that James was their king.

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Yep, if Ram flips red we look hard at ssbm.

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Loopdan
+__+
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Nadpool
^Those are publicly outed as all the same player.
There may be more. But rb isn't part of the stable.

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VOTE: Radiant Cowballs

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Is anybody voting you town?

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Do you have any reads other than "everyone who votes me is scum"?

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I don't believe you are that bad as town.

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@LoX
You don't think scum!RC would divert a lynch off a town wagon if the viable counter-wagons are also town?
not saying that's what happened, but you seem to be.

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@LoX
You don't think scum!RC would divert a lynch off a town wagon if the viable counter-wagons are also town?
not saying that's what happened, but you seem to be.

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TTTT you must join us in lynching the Vifam

only if you can explain why you changed your mind about lynching RC
when all he did was self-vote and play hang-man

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TTTT have you considered that the towniest thing a man could possibly do is selfvote and play hangman?

"A man"?
sure.

"RC"?
not really.

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I have a question. Do you think that Scum!RC in this situation would have any difficulty finding someone besides myself to vote for and pushing a case on them?
'cause there's a point where you have to realize that anything, everything that I do is deliberate. Was the hangman a calculated way to get pressure off? yes. it worked.
But then again I could have done literally anything there and there are so many better ways to get pressure off as scum because doing what I did relinquishes control over the game.
I like controlling the game as scum because I direct the lynches and lead the flow of the game. Playing hangman and trolling does not garner you control of the game.
No, if I were scum I would have replaced in with a strong case on someone that I would have thought up before seeing role PM because I specifically wanted to play town.
Go in fast and hard with a really powerful case on literally anyone in the game, *probably* someone that has never been wagoned up to that point, get them lynched, continue game.
Is that self meta and thus unreliable? Yes, and I even lie about self meta constantly as both alignments. But I'm still town and at some point town needs to trust me so I'll do what I can to enable that.
If you're saying you don't trust the hangman because I'm RC: what exactly IS it that you would trust me to be town for doing, mister?

that's a lot of words to say...
"I'm RC and I'm amazeballs."
"This is my town meta"
"I lie about my meta all the time."
"Trust me."

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@RC
you asked earlier what you would have to do for me to trust you as town
your posts since 1542 are a good start

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why is describing lynches as flips a scumtell?

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you sure jump in quick for a chill player, fam.

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@Cowballs
tell me all your thoughts on XnadrojX

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@Vifam
disregard the impending deadline
who are your top three SRs?

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@Vifam
disregard the impending deadline
who are your top three SRs?

LoX/Tywain/RC atm

top two TRs?

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@Vifam
disregard the impending deadline
who are your top three SRs?

LoX/Tywain/RC atm

why Tywin?

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What do you think of Vifam/Vifam's wagon?

I mean hell, there's not even a clear case against Vifam, or Pep's slot for that matter. Just a bunch of nonsense dug up between LoX, Havingfitz and TTTT.

wait.
why am I lumped in there?

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why do I have this feeling there are players in this game who scumread RC but aren't voting him because their lumpy bits haven't descended yet?

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I thought you were coming around on my slot?

I admit your stuff did get better
but still think you're scum

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@SSBM
@ZEKRO

Join the RC wagon and I will use my

2-shot Stronghold Neighborizer

ability to bring you both into my invincible neighborhood where you are immune from night actions.

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DAMMIT!

I forgot I already fake-claimed

2-Shot Conciserizer

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What the hell is this, Fire?

why do I have this feeling there are players in this game who scumread RC but aren't voting him because their lumpy bits haven't descended yet?

i fall into this category some what lol.

i kind of have this feel rc is over acting how he acts as town lol.

I don't have experience with RC tho so I don't know if he's always overtly arrogant or if he really is trying to overcompensate

he is overly arrogant all the time.

I get the feel these posts he has been doing is even more over exaggeration of the behavior though.

naah RC lives today.

I don't see my continued living as particularly valuable if I have to invest this kind of effort into not getting lynched every day. It's not worth it to me at this point.


I don't see my continued living as particularly valuable if I have to invest this kind of effort into not getting lynched every day. It's not worth it to me at this point.

Dude, like I said.
Take a break, ur taking this game too seriously.

I am not pushing ur lynch.

I don't care whether you're pushing my lynch but I am certain that you're scum and I want to see you dead.
I think it's hilarious that you're cheeky enough to try to pull this bullshit after the bullshit you pulled in your last scum game but you're not getting away with it.

i am kind of always cheeky, thats my thing yo.

but alright, i get you think i am scum. but even you know i am not a possible lynch today.
so

why don't we work to a mutual scum read and stop dragging down game.

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I know Ive been lynched before Im gonna go find a game

this is a useless gesture

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There's 8 hours until EoD
I don't think I'll be able to be here.
I was about to compromise vote LoX
but dat claim.
RC or bust!

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I'd like answers from fitz, comm, and tywin.
And RC prob isn't town here.

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I said I probably wouldn't be here at EoD.
But I would have hammered if I was.

There's 8 hours until EoD
I don't think I'll be able to be here.
I was about to compromise vote LoX
but dat claim.
RC or bust!

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I'd like answers from fitz, comm, and tywin.
And RC prob isn't town here.

And why were you against the Vifam wagon?

Wasn't about vifam particularly
Just want RC to die.

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TTTT you must join us in lynching the Vifam

only if you can explain why you changed your mind about lynching RC
when all he did was self-vote and play hang-man

@SSBM
Did you ever answer this?
if so please link me

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@RC
your read on James?

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My problem with RC is he is 100% self-focused
whether that's self-voting
or talking about his meta
or talking about how tenacious he is
or talking about his wagon
It's all RC
all the time

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@Nero
why do you keep bringing up Titus?

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you know RC is not really a Titus alt, right?

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@ssbm
.???

TTTT you must join us in lynching the Vifam

only if you can explain why you changed your mind about lynching RC
when all he did was self-vote and play hang-man

@SSBM
Did you ever answer this?
if so please link me

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@RC

@RC
your read on James?

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post 1773 kinda sparks some focusing on LoX's claim. It's not hard to scum read a cocky player who is so full of themselves that they forget to properly scum hunt. But mafia who would've known LoX to not be mafia would've been eyeing up that PR soft hard.

Can you break this down?
I've read it four times and can't parse it

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@ssbm
there's momentum growing for a TTTT wagon today
you've played with me a bit recently
so I request a full iso eval by you on my slot
like I want you to take a stand one way or another

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You were eyeing the soft claim up and giving it more credit than Tywin or I were. To us it seemed nothing more than a player being cocky about their play. But to a scum, it would've been a true claim of a town PR and a scum would easily give it more credit than what it was worth at face value.

Why are you talking about the soft claim? I posted 1773 after LoX said this:

Remember where we claimed investigative?

Here's another juicy tidbit: we're not timeshifted.

We'll be confirmed tomorrow. That's why I givez a DAMN about the scum jumping on superficial bullshit to mislynch us

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You know the answer to that.

Relevant:

why do I have this feeling there are players in this game who scumread RC but aren't voting him because their lumpy bits haven't descended yet?

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@ssbm
talk to me
talk about me
just don't ignore me

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@ssbm

WHAT CAUSED YOU TO CHANGE YOUR MIND ABOUT RADIANT COWBALLS

@ssbm
.???

TTTT you must join us in lynching the Vifam

only if you can explain why you changed your mind about lynching RC
when all he did was self-vote and play hang-man

@SSBM
Did you ever answer this?
if so please link me

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I seriously doubt you're getting lynched today and the fact that there is posturing to get you lynched means that if scum are driving your lynch, they didn't target you for last night's kill so you'll see D3 and I can evaluate you after Vifam's flip

So it's posturing?
How do you know that?
You know I'm town don't you?

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You've already killed me, haven't you?

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You were eyeing the soft claim up and giving it more credit than Tywin or I were. To us it seemed nothing more than a player being cocky about their play. But to a scum, it would've been a true claim of a town PR and a scum would easily give it more credit than what it was worth at face value.

Why are you talking about the soft claim? I posted 1773 after LoX said this:

Remember where we claimed investigative?

Here's another juicy tidbit: we're not timeshifted.

We'll be confirmed tomorrow. That's why I givez a DAMN about the scum jumping on superficial bullshit to mislynch us

@Comm
Did I miss your reply?

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Someone ask me about page 89 before end of day.
There's something I want to talk about but not yet.

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What do you want to talk about now though?

Why are you town-reading james3 and xnadrojx?

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I'd like answers from fitz, comm, and tywin.
And RC prob isn't town here.

What was the question?

Why didn't you vote vifam to avoid a no-lynch when you were here near deadline?

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This james3 wagon is garbage.

He might be scum but we're not voting for him today.

fullstop.

I agree.

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players that weren't voting Vifam that were

active

after Vifam hit L-3:

sly

fuzzy
zekro

havingfitz

nero
TTTT

james

comm

You need to take me off your list.
I was here 8 hours before deadline
when there were only five votes on Vifam
and I made clear I didn't think I could come back before EoD.

There's 8 hours until EoD
I don't think I'll be able to be here.
I was about to compromise vote LoX
but dat claim.
RC or bust!

Vifam was at L-4 with five votes.
RC was at L-6 with three votes.

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@Pere
ok
I see it now
bold doesn't show up real well for me

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based off this game alone I don't understand why TTT is calling RC scum but not voting there

when did you notice this?
why didn't you mention it then?

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You were willing to compromise vote the watcher

No I wasn't.

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I was about to compromise vote LoX

Try again scum
it was...

I was about to compromise vote LoX

but dat claim

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@RC
Like you literally just quoted it a few posts ago.

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I pretty much never want to lynch Vifam.
Didn't think he was scum day1
really don't think he's scum now

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And yeah you said that. The point isn't about what you were actually going to do it's about where your reads were at aka how pro-town your scumhunting has been. It's been ass so far, no?

Are you talking to me?
like I think you might be
but most everything you say makes no sense
so without quotes it's confusing

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Presuming from your point of view that I am town

Sorry you lost me there

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I just don't think RC is this intentionally bad as town.
If I'm wrong will a non-RC player plz explain?

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@ssbm
I want more from you than that you re-read RC for "tonal reasons"
give me more
I'm hungry for your reads

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And for anyone wondering why I don't trust RC
I've seen town!RC shitpost while scumhunting, but I've not seen this...

My problem with RC is he is 100% self-focused
whether that's self-voting
or talking about his meta
or talking about how tenacious he is
or talking about his wagon
It's all RC
all the time

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Vifam doesn't seem to be confbiasing and that's a silly claim to make so it feels more like he's consciously misrepresenting my play

what is he misrepping about your play?
serious question.

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Hey TTTTT what's your Fuzzylogic read?

Lean town.

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I don't like TTTT/Fuzzy's mutual townreads that neither of them are willing to explain at all

Nobody asked me to explain.

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I don't like TTTT/Fuzzy's mutual townreads that neither of them are willing to explain at all

Nobody asked me to explain.

What has fuzzylogic done to be a lean town for you then?

You asked me my read on fuzzy.
I told you.
You asked why.
Before I came back you accused me of not being willing to explain it.

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fuzzy has been pretty null all game
nothing's really stood out that made me go hmmm or mhmmm all game
RC asked my read on fuzzy
so I iso'ed and fuzzy looks like a town player playing at less than the level I would expect from his join date
but still a town-lean
if anybody really cares I can break down the iso
but not taking the time just for RC

But...

VC 2.5 (2/10/17)

RadiantCowbells [L-5]

PeregrineV, Havingfitz, Nero Cain, Vifam

TheFuzzylogic99 [L-5]

RadiantCowbells, SlySly, ssbm_Kyouko, XnadrojX

I don't like fuzzy's wagon comp at all.
and RC's wagon is super-townie.

Nero, can you answer 2337 for me?

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I think I want an RC or ssbm lynch today
but I wanna hear concise cases for and against Sly first.

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but you were online after I first posted the question

Nope

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I had just been assuming you were voting RC.

at one point I thought I was voting RC too
I noticed I wasn't here
but wanted to see what others did with that info when they noticed it
not sure what to make of RC not talking about it at all
I support an RC lynch
but wanna support this too atm
VOTE: ssbm

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I've played a bit with ssbm lately
something isn't right here

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Whats the SSBM case? Is it just her townreading RC and not liking anyone that scum reads him?

ssbm is too passive
I hate his progression from "RC is scum" to "TR'd for tone during hangman"
is shy interacting with me <-- looks bad given we have several recent games together and he knows my reads are above average
this vote looks really bad given this

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I'm going to have to stop you there because if you're town your reads are very, very far from above average.

are you talking about this game or others?

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I'm going to have to stop you there because if you're town your reads are very, very far from above average.

are you talking about this game or others?

I am talking about this game because our only other game together you were informed as to everyone in game's alignments.

and literally the only way you can know if my reads are "very, very far from above average" is if you are scum in this game

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our only other game together

You were also in my first game on-site with my main
I no-claimed tracker during lylo mass-claim
you fake-claimed tracker as town (I had a hard town-read on your slot due to your predecessor)
you got NK'd
and I won it for town in lylo the next day
good memories
I liked you better back then

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Let's see. Your reads are that I am scum, which is shit, that SSBM is scum, which is shit.

Any others that I can agree or disagree with to improve your batting average?

the problem is if you are town you don't know if my reads are any good or not, other than your own slot
yet you continue to insist my reads are bad
they might be
but you can't know unless you are scum

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When I've replaced into a game and had the same 3-5 people sitting on my wagon for literally the entire game giving fuck for reasons and acting self righteous and pious about questioning everyone who isn't playing terribly about why they think my slot is scum, I am not going to be a pleasant person to play with.

this is manipulative bullshit

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^was waiting for that reply

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town!RC is more aware of the game-state than this.

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nah that's not fair.
there's like 17 players in this game

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I'm looking for scum elsewhere bc your slot is overexposed
that's like prime-time for scum to hide if you're town

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I have no problem lynching you
but 9 days left
let's look around

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Wait so you're using the exact same logic that I was using to focus on my wagon but when I did it you said that I was being so bad that you couldn't believe I could possibly be being town?

You might need to break this down for me.
not following

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I've been focusing on searching for scum on my wagon because it's too easy for scum to hide on it because of how much of a distraction it's been for the game.
You unvoted me citing that it's prime-time for scum to hide since I'm town. But said that I was being so bad as to not possibly be town for doing the same thing. ??

Not what I was saying
Said if you are town scum is hiding
Meant they are doing nothing
Not that they are on your wagon
I didn't say you were town
I didn't unvote you

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@RC
If you're town then plz swallow your ego and go lurk for a day or two
That'd be better than this stunt which draws all attention on you regardless of your alignment

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I am neither AtEing nor trying to convince you that I am town.

Best lie of the game.
Tell me another.

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@james
I also want this explained

RC replaced Pep, who was confirmed not mafia.

How was Pep confirmed not mafia?

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@mod-- requesting prod for ssbm

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I was kinda hoping it wasn't true
but ssbm is scum

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can someone who agrees do all the hard work of typing up a case so the rest of town will see it too and scum will feel forced into bussing as well?
bc I'm too lazy and nobody ever believes me anyway

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TTTT: why are your reads completely different from mine?

bc your reads suck.
Or maybe mine do.

the wagon you think is SUPER TOWN is the one with all players who have never, ever given cases or scum hunted absolutely whatsoever.. And the SUPER SCUM wagon is full of players that have all been the most active and pretty much the ONLY players in the game to have scum hunted or given cases on absolutely anyone.

Your definitions of "cases" and "scum hunting" are dissimilar to mine.

Also, since you think Kyouko is scum, then all the players sheeping his initial vote/case on RC's slot (Vifam, HavingFitz, PeregrinV) are players you should be SRing as well.

That's not actually how that works

I think this makes you scum. I SR almost everyone on the RC wagon for obvious reasons. I TR almost everyone on the fuzzy wagon, for obvious reasons.

Not really that obvious

you can't because you aren't good at being scum.

Hey now!
I have a very respectable scum record.

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I think he's a fire breathing idiot but I don't think that necessarily means he has a red pm.

^NC is my soulmate.

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And now that I've properly buddied him I can...

@Nero-- plz vote ssbm with me?

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I was kinda hoping it wasn't true
but ssbm is scum

can someone who agrees do all the hard work of typing up a case so the rest of town will see it too and scum will feel forced into bussing as well?
bc I'm too lazy and nobody ever believes me anyway

Can you give an outline? I'm going back and forth on SSBM.

1) The RC vote then unvote
I had to ask him 3 times (2083) before he explained why he unvoted RC when he did and then his explanation was "tonal read" during the hangman shitposting.
not sure if this was ssbm backing off from distancing his partner or something else, but I still don't see how it's town!ssbm

2) Interactions with me in general are too shy
Go read my iso it's pretty clear I've been trying to sort ssbm through interactions.
There are personal meta reasons that make me think this is scum-ssbm.

3) I mentioned this already in 2484, but ssbm's vote on fuzzy in 2433 is terrible considering ssbm's "...Vifam is scum. I'm latching onto that like a pitbull and I'll let go when he goes limp and not a moment sooner" in 2129.

and I get that my case is a lot stronger to me than it will be to others, given #2.

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also ssbm denied he had knowledge about the accuracy of my reads
but in his scum-game with me I literally named both ssbm and his partner early in day1 in a scumpool of three players.
and he noted it in the scum PT

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whoops, I was wrong in 2751.
I had to ask ssbm

4

times (2141) before he explained why he unvoted RC when he did and then his explanation was "tonal read" during the hangman shitposting.

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@Ram
plz give an update on your ssbm read
you were voting there in 2524
before you moved to Vifam in 2564
and 2564 was like James-level bad

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VOTE: SSBM
I'll prob vote james the next day

why this vote?
I don't get why you'd join that wagon
given your prior reads

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My vote is for hire since I'm not real picky on who we lynch between RC and SSBM.

I literally called you my soulmate
what more do you want from me?

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this game is cancer. you all want to enable a bunch of shitty scum players sitting on an obvtown wagon all day you can be my guest. I'm fucking done.

have fun losing.

replace me

When did you become such a whiney quitting fcuktard?

Not pertaining to this game....have you ever pushed a mislynch as town? Get over yourself

this reads to me like you think RC is town
yet you are voting him

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RC seems very much like a frustrated town rage quit. Myabe I am misreading the whole thing but that's how it seems.
I don't know what to make of SSBM. There are part where they are towning and trying to scum hunt. Than there the Vfim vote at the beginning which could be scum trying to make an easy kill since Vifam was almost lynch yesterday so getting a wagon on her would be easy,
Than there the terrible vote on me. Votimg bc of lettering during a vote is just so weak. The excuse theat the reasoning felt force to justify their vote on me was just as bad.

I need time to think

I don't like this post
especially that last line.

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RC knows replacing out like that gets town-read
RC's ego also can't handle being lynched as scum
I ain't giving him town-cred for quitting.

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Staying to get lynched based off absolutely no case or any reasons given to SR the guy would be a town tell? How is it so hard for some to see this guy's frustration?

It's RC. His entire meta is trying to be townread based on expressions of frustration.

Literally, the only player to ever give a case was Kyouko, who also happened to switch votes when he got a better read.

firstly, stop lying about the RC wagon being everybody sheeping ssbm.
I've pointed out why RC is likely scum all over this game
secondly, why are you assuming ssbm moved his vote bc "he got a better read"?
thirdly, you might actually be scum here.

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Then I read 2851.
Not so sure that's a scum post.

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I liked Zekro early game
but he's been beyond useless since then
would lynch that to avoid a NL
but much prefer we lynch ssbm or RC

[TTTT]

RC is town

yeah I have small doubts about scum!RC
but how are you so certain?

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This is a long ass game. I scum read both RC and Zekro. Let's do mod a favor and powerlynch one of these two and save the mod some hassle. And give him extra RL days to get 1 replacement.

RC is L-4.
Zekro is L-9.

why isn't ssbm listed there?
you have him in your scumpool in 2800

[TTTT]

VC 2.8 (2/13/17)

TTTT [L-8]

Tywin Lannister

RadiantCowbells [L-4]

PeregrineV, Havingfitz, Nero Cain, RadiantCowbells, James3

SlySly [L-8]

TheFuzzylogic99

Vifam [L-8]

Ramcius

TheFuzzylogic99 [L-7]

ssbm_Kyouko, XnadrojX

James3 [L-8]

Zekromaster

ssbm_Kyouko [L-5]

CommKnight, TTTT, Vifam, Elena Fisher

Tywin Lannister [L-8]

SlySly

Deadline is 6pm on Sunday February 19th, in (expired on 2017-02-19 18:00:00).

*Edited to remove slots with no votes

all you single-voters need to consolidate on real wagons
doing otherwise is pretty much a scum-claim at this point

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@fitz
gotcha

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VOTE: SSBM
I'll prob vote james the next day

why this vote?
I don't get why you'd join that wagon
given your prior reads

@Elena

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@Tywin
you said

Literally, the only player to ever give a case was Kyouko, who also happened to switch votes when he got a better read.

I said

stop lying about the RC wagon being everybody sheeping ssbm. I've pointed out why RC is likely scum all over this game

you said

Reread D1 and look at everyone on the pep/RC wagon. Seriously, go read it and see everyone say 'I'm sheeping Kyouko' in their answers as to why they're voting the slot.

Show me where I said I was sheeping ssbm's RC vote.
I'm make it easy on you: here's my iso starting with my RC vote

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Nobody cares what your opinion is, because you're scum.

stop trying to damage my delicate self-image
people love me

[TTTT]

3. I don't assume. Kyouko said it himself.

Yeah I get that ssbm said that.
the problem is that you uncritically accepted it

[TTTT]

TTTTT
can you explain what you don't like about my post>

how about this?
you tell me why

you

think I don't like your post.
I'll tell you if you're right
and then I'll explain it in more depth.

[TTTT]

VC 2.8 (2/13/17)

TTTT [L-8]

Tywin Lannister

RadiantCowbells [L-4]

PeregrineV, Havingfitz, Nero Cain, RadiantCowbells, James3

SlySly [L-8]

TheFuzzylogic99

Vifam [L-8]

Ramcius

TheFuzzylogic99 [L-7]

ssbm_Kyouko, XnadrojX

James3 [L-8]

Zekromaster

ssbm_Kyouko [L-5]

CommKnight, TTTT, Vifam, Elena Fisher

Tywin Lannister [L-8]

SlySly

Deadline is 6pm on Sunday February 19th, in (expired on 2017-02-19 18:00:00).

*Edited to remove slots with no votes

all you single-voters need to consolidate on real wagons
doing otherwise is pretty much a scum-claim at this point

4
DAYS


STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT SHEEPING AND DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR VOTE

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@fuzzy
It's not a game
I sort best through interactions
why do you think I don't like 2836?

[TTTT]

3 days

@mod
requesting VC plz

[TTTT]

ssbm L-3!

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RC's SK claim was as serious as my 2-Shot Conciserizer claim.

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@comm
Why did you bold 3 slots in 2936?

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I'd like a VC so I can scream and whine
at everybody not voting RC or ssbm

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Tywin, Xnad and Sly should pick one of RC or SSBM. Doesn't matter to me who gets lynched.

Do it.
I'd threaten to flash wagon whoever doesn't do this, but it's pretty obvious we don't even have enough votes to do that.

[TTTT]

I will

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make this game

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a living hell

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if we

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no-lynch

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again.

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Yeah, James and Comm aren't both town.
Why the hell didn't James wait until after Comm revealed a result before claiming the guilty?

[TTTT]

Sooo... I'll out one thing and one thing only. I'll let you guys choose. Do you want to know the role I found or who I now 100% town read because of the role I found?

obv we want the townread

[TTTT]

I need someone to summarize all claimed roles and claimed actions
or I can try and get to it later
this seems solvable for at least one scum today

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Deaths

Land of Xanth, Town Watcher, died Night 1.
Ssbm_Kyouko, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 2.

Claims

James claimed 1-shot cop with guilty on Comm
Comm claimed rolecop with check on Fitz
Ram claimed Jailkeeper with Fitz targeted
Fitz claimed VT

If James is town, Comm is confscum.
If Ram is town, Comm is confscum.
If Comm is town, James & Ram are confscum.

Also, scum could have targeted ssbm night 1
which would result in the no-kill N2.
N1 kill on LoX from SK power (see prior games)?


VOTE: Comm

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Why would Scum target ssbm on N1 AND let him get lynched on D2?? That's a wasted shot. Besides, why ssbm in the first place? Again, why him over TWO Cop claims (one of which must be Town)?

Also, where is the SK kill for N2 then?

all valid points
I was just pointing out a possibility nobody had mentioned

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If James is town, Comm is confscum.
If Ram is town, Comm is confscum.
If Comm is town, James & Ram are confscum.

If this is wrong will someone point it out plz

[TTTT]

Being jailkept does not prevent an investigative result.

I did not know this.

[TTTT]

UNVOTE:

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These Comm votes don't make sense to me.

it makes sense when you consider there is a claimed guilty from a player who claimed cop day1
it doesn't make sense when you consider that if he is cop he should be dead

but nothing is making any sense
I feel like we are either getting several scum lynched once this is all sorted out
or we have lying town

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@Comm
you still haven't said the result of your fitz target
other than 100% town

[TTTT]

@James
why didn't you wait until Comm outed his result before you claimed a guilty on him?
that makes no sense to me if you are town.

[TTTT]

James could be solo scum out of these claims.

Claims

James claimed 1-shot cop with guilty on Comm
Comm claimed rolecop with check on Fitz
Ram claimed Jailkeeper with Fitz targeted
Fitz claimed VT


wanna hear more from Comm

[TTTT]

Who? Commknight? He claimed roelcop.

was referring to James
James claims cop day1
makes it clear he's targeting Comm
yet here he is still alive
if he is really cop that means Comm is scum
why wouldn't scum attempt to NK him?

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Hmm, this is interesting. We seem to have a bus in play. Also to note, I'd need to be roleblocked the night I choose a target. Which means he would've had to be jailed N1 to stop me from getting a result. So Ramcius, did you jail him N1 or N2 (like have it take effect those nights).

Now the next part, there is definitely something screwy going on and the mod said it wasn't a bastard game, so my best guess? Bus Driver is active (and possibly mafia sided if he doesn't admit to bussing Fitz).

I targeted Fitz because he was one of my scum reads D1 and seemed like he wouldn't die, which I was correct.

Now for the grand reveal. The role came back as Vigilante. So unless you're trolling them Fitz, you got bussed with someone or are a disguiser.

But because of this possibility, I know I can't have been bussed. Which means no alteration to Jame's ability. WHICH MEANS, James if scum confirmed.

what do you mean by "bussed"?

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This whole thing is messy,,,,,I need to read the whole day again to try to get a handle on it all
I believe that we should lynch off the SSbm wagon as there is a 99.percent chance that there was atleast 1 scum on the wagon.
more later

your take-away from all these claims is "I dunno... let's lynch from the ssbm wagon"
wut?

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Sooo... I'll out one thing and one thing only. I'll let you guys choose.

Do you want to know the role I found or who I now 100% town read because of the role I found?

Then THAT is our lynch of the day!

VOTE: Havingfitz

No. No it isn't.

I know what Fitz is and he's 100% town. I'll let him decide if I out his role to prove my own, but his role is impossible to be 3rd party/mafia.

VOTE: James

However, James as proven himself to be false. We could've lynched him D1 or D2 with his obvious fake claim. Now with his fake results, we're lynching his ass D3.

[Blue = TR, Green = Town]

RadiantCowbells [L-6]

PeregrineV, RadiantCowbells,

James3

TheFuzzylogic99 [L-6]

ssbm_Kyouko

, XnadrojX, SlySly

James3

[L-8]

Zekromaster

ssbm_Kyouko [Lynch]

CommKnight

, TTTT, Vifam, Elena Fisher, TheFuzzylogic99, Ramcius,

Havingfitz

, Nero Cain, Tywin Lannister

Almost 50/Zekromaster was voting James. I doubt a scum slot would be sitting on scum during the last voting of the day when a town was being mislynched.

Other than that, might as well go for a confirmed mafia today. Unless someone else got someone higher in the food chain.

Also Ramcius, since you claimed Jailkeeper,

Fitz can either prove or disprove you right now when he gets here.

Which means, we could have 3 living confirmed towns and 1 living confirmed mafia.

Hmm, this is interesting. We seem to have a bus in play. Also to note, I'd need to be roleblocked the night I choose a target. Which means he would've had to be jailed N1 to stop me from getting a result. So Ramcius, did you jail him N1 or N2 (like have it take effect those nights).

Now the next part, there is definitely something screwy going on and the mod said it wasn't a bastard game, so my best guess? Bus Driver is active (and possibly mafia sided if he doesn't admit to bussing Fitz).

I targeted Fitz because he was one of my scum reads D1 and seemed like he wouldn't die, which I was correct.

Now for the grand reveal.

The role came back as Vigilante. So unless you're trolling them Fitz

, you got bussed with someone or are a disguiser.

But because of this possibility, I know I can't have been bussed. Which means no alteration to Jame's ability. WHICH MEANS, James if scum confirmed.

[TTTT]

how do those first 4 posts come from someone with a Vig result on Fitz?

[TTTT]

VOTE: Comm

Still think Vifam/RC slot is town Almost 50 looks nice aswell so does Fliz TTTT was someone I was gonna tr but I looked at that game he linked and he plays quite well as scum so iffy to tr that slot.

I haven't linked any of my scum games
whatchoo talking 'bout?

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@James
why didn't you wait until Comm outed his result before you claimed a guilty on him?
that makes no sense to me if you are town.

This I can see both ways. It could be argued the way you're doing, or it could be argued that if he had a guilty at the start o the day why sit on it for -say- 24 hours before announcing it.

because at that point Comm had already said he had a result and was teasing the game with the info
if you are towncop!James why would you out your guilty on Comm

before

he reveals info?
from town pov you have a confirmed scum who is about to lie about a result and you preempt that?
that's terrible town play

[TTTT]

Are you kidding me? Solo Scum = Serial Killer.

No. I mean he could be the only scum out of all those claims.

[TTTT]

also ssbm denied he had knowledge about the accuracy of my reads
but in his scum-game with me I literally named both ssbm and his partner early in day1 in a scumpool of three players.
and he noted it in the scum PT

I see I worded that poorly.
I was town that game.
ssbm was scum.

[TTTT]

I don't think Vig or Deflector or any other PR's should claim, if they exist
but I will say...
my role is not one that can make sense of today's claims

[TTTT]

I confirmed there's a vig alive. So if James flips scum, we're good, if he flips town, well we didn't lose much and vig can kill me tonight.

There's no reason for anyone to believe that there's a vig. You are probably lying scum.

probably?

VOTE: james

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@James
who is the full scum-team?

[TTTT]

but you can be watched, copped, tracked, smacked, neighbored, etc.

I feel like Waffle House hash browns now.

underrated post

[TTTT]

Clearly we are lynching between Comm and James.
I've been TRing Comm.
and James' play is anti-town.
But James' claim is mechanically more credible
But James' role (if true) is spent.
If James flips scum Comm is NK'd
But that might not be for another night so maybe 1 more result from town!Comm

James' lynch makes the most sense.

[TTTT]

Like I said
James' claim is mechanically more credible

RE: 5a - Why would you expect extra kills night 1 in this setup?

[TTTT]

Is it possible scum have a 1-shot non-shifted NK that makes them lose their NK the next night?
Think there's a 3rd party, given prior time-shift games
But throwing it out there

[TTTT]

Otherwise, there was a mod error somewhere. That's the only other way this shit works, and nobody can assume that.

or someone forgot to submit a night action
but yeah that'd be a bad assumption to work from

[TTTT]

I might be nuts but
I'm now considering the possibility that James and Ram are both scum
bad scum

[TTTT]

oh well, then no reason to delay, i'm jailkeeper and jailed Havingfitz N1, timeshifted to N2

@James
what do you make of Ram saying he doesn't believe your claim
yet he isn't voting you?

[TTTT]

that quote doesn't go there.

[TTTT]

I wanna remind the game:
we have no confirmation that there is a bus-driver, re-directer, or framer
plz stop assuming any of these roles are present in your analysis
this isn't that complicated
ok it is, but...
we have a claimed 1-shot cop (James) with a claimed guilty on Comm
So we lynch there today.
And it's better we lynch James
bc
1. his claimed 1-shot would be used up anyway
2. his overall play is anti-town
3. he's a Navy SEAL and shouldn't be wasting his time on the webz

[TTTT]

4. his avatar is, legit, a fascist

[TTTT]

oh well, then no reason to delay, i'm jailkeeper and jailed Havingfitz N1, timeshifted to N2

@James
what do you make of Ram saying he doesn't believe your claim
yet he isn't voting you?

That's a perfectly reasonable stance for him to take given our history.

are you saying you have a history of fake-claiming guilties when you are town?
otherwise
how is it "perfectly reasonable" for him to think you are lying but not be voting for you?

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uh yeah players with a history of fake-claiming guilties as town should be a policy lynch

every
single
time

VOTE: J
VOTE: A
VOTE: M
VOTE: E
VOTE: S

[TTTT]

lol @ Jimmy

[TTTT]

Relevant

You see, I came here from the ToS Forum Mafia section. For about a year I played Mafia on that forum, and by the end I was without a doubt the most skilled active player there. Eventually the disparity was so vast that I had to be banned to keep things fair for the rest of the players (officially it was for abrasiveness, as many of their players suffer from SSS and my personality conflicted with that).

Anyway, I always claim day one (and yes it was serious, for those that didn't understand that), and press others for their claims. I do this for the purpose of analyzing the behavior of others to determine if they are scum or town. Already I'm picking apart your posts and those of others for a level of analysis that is probably higher than you could comprehend.

There are some terrible things in this world
but I refuse to believe that there exists an online Mafia forum so shitty that James was their king.

[TTTT]

I can't imagine how pissed I'd be if I rolled scum with James in this game!

I bet the other scum have replaced out.

[TTTT]

but replacements are over half the game (including my slot)
so nevermind

[TTTT]

D3f3nd3r locked the thread for 3 minutes
probably not enough time to ask a list mod for a ruling on anything
makes me think it was to check James' role pm (but would a mod forget that?)
I can see a mod kill on a townie claiming scum
I don't really see that for scum claiming scum
so that's my theory on the 3minute lock

[TTTT]

technically my last vote was for the letter S (3346)
but I think it counted for James anyway
removing the chance of lolhammer
UNVOTE: