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They are not fine, and they are not upstanding.In post 413, Toogeloo wrote:EP is such a fine upstanding and noble host, right?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 433, Fro99er wrote:
Yeah, well it's true. And I led the town there too. So anyone who tells me I'm bad at this will just have to get it thrown in their face.In post 429, Desperado wrote:That was me preparing to barf @ frogger's "nuh uh I won a scummy!"and this is why there's no more best town performance.
shame, people. shame."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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this was a good sentence.In post 544, Fro99er wrote:
After this game you'll be 1/3 in reading me.In post 537, Tammy wrote:There is something seriously wrong with Frogger here.I guess MAFIACEPTION was the ex...ception.
I think it would be a huge boon to all parties involved if you two tried to explain your reads on each other a tiny bit better."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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no offense to either of you since I love you both but
"you're scum"
"no you're scum"
is an actual thing that happened here and all people who just chucked fuel on the fire and walked away should be ashamed of themselves"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I have not yet read the game and am trying not to get absorbed in it yet. Would you mind elaborating a bit? Why didn't you like her stance/why do you think it was coming from scum/why was this pressure important (especially considering it was happening so early)?In post 557, Fro99er wrote:I didn't like Tammy's stance on SAD at all, especially as SAD was under pressure."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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You think that he was seriously endorsing a quicklynch?In post 559, Tammy wrote:He's scum for advocating a quick lynch on Arthur less than 24 hours into the game for shaky as shit reasons and because it would be funny to see my reaction.That's a real thing that happened."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 509, Fro99er wrote:Can we L-1 and derphammer SAD. I want to see tammy's reaction to that.generally when i'm trying to encourage an early hammer I don't refer to it as a derphammer.
if he was trying to bait impatient town then I think he would have gone about it differently."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Questioning is never a bad thing.In post 582, Fro99er wrote:I guess I shouldn't have gotten in the way of you and Arthur,
I think it got bad when everyone went from "hey I think that SAD and Tammy have a weird relationship" to "RRRRRRAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH".
and no, fuck towels. I'm a moist man; towels detract from my image."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I diffuse TvTs as scum frequently, but this was a move coming from Nacho the human being as opposed to Nacho the player.In post 591, Fro99er wrote:
Fair.In post 586, Nachomamma8 wrote:I think it got bad when everyone went from "hey I think that SAD and Tammy have a weird relationship" to "RRRRRRAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH".
BTW it's been too long. Was it Nacho or Notty who diffuses TvTs as scum?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Vote: Andrius
What bitter moisture is the taste of betrayal, Andrius. We could have had it all, but the only love you have for me is a dagger in the back."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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All of your town reads are poetry; they aren't reads.In post 760, Andrius wrote:dreaemrz - Drealmerz is as drealmerz does. He'll scumread me at some point for a difference in playstyle but there's little that can be done save be masons with him.
Pine - I mean you punch me in the heart when you say I maybe scum. But I think you're town. Strong early game, gives no shits.
MariaR - We're always waiting for the next season. The producers don't want any big moves this early. Also, you remind me of AGM a bit with the (apparently) you have a preference for MAFIA and there's less engagement here. But hey, we're talking atnd its D1 so maybe we'll stick it to the producers this one eh?
SlySly - Town.
Fro99er - Town because the big three are hating on him and he doesn't give a shit. Honey badget don't care.
Toog - Wow look he's doing things. And he's joining the gif brigade. Town.
SAD - Town for reactions to wagon and potential lynching at L-1.
Drealmerz is drealmerz but look at us, we are scum together!
Pine is town because he doesn't care. Frogger is town because he doesn't care. Maria prefers scum and is less engaged and thus town. Sly is town because Sly is a friend.
The ADMIRAL ANDRIUS persona is not just amusing pictures; there's supposed to be an actual drive to solve the game and holy shit is it hilariously absent; I'm just sad that Tammy made it here before I did."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Andylove what the hell is this?In post 760, Andrius wrote:nacho - Nacholove I could write you an essay. All I want is for you to be here and do the reads and either lead or be part of the TOWNBLOC that you know will happen because you and I are here and this is how we roll. I want to see you interact with people and be human but I'm not getting the Nacholove vibes. And you know I can read you correctly. (And yes, I realize that the most recent game we've played was WEREWOLVES with PINE. I forgot about that one.)
"You aren't being human and you know I can read you, by the way we haven't played together in three years"???
What part of my opening said "not human" to you? Why do you talk about being confident in reading me now when you weren't confident in reading me when we were actually playing together?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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And this is... amazing? Horrible? I'm not sure how to describe it.In post 780, Andrius wrote:And the moist crap only serves to inflate the post count and you've definitely been competing for that award so it doesn't help me out any.
Tammy is scum inflating her post count before because... she's participating in the moist minigame?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 789, Andrius wrote:Look, I'm sorry for being an ass.
And sorry, I've already heard this song and am not particularly interested in yet another rendition; play me something different.In post 789, Andrius wrote:I don't want this to be a YOU AND I WALK AWAY FROM THIS"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I can give solid reasoning for half of my reads!In post 810, MariaR wrote:Every wagon that's become somewhat srs is one person outting a scumread and then just jumping on
I bet half of you can't even give a solid reason for half your reads
I just don't have many reads."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Although I think it would be more productive instead of making a vague call out to call out people in particular and question things that don't make sense. Don't you?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Choose one.In post 814, MariaR wrote:
That'd be questioning half the player listIn post 812, Nachomamma8 wrote:Although I think it would be more productive instead of making a vague call out to call out people in particular and question things that don't make sense. Don't you?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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What does my vote on Andy have to do with anyone else's?In post 817, MariaR wrote:the tldr is one person sr'd sad and his wagon took off
same thing is happening to andy"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Oh you're one of those peopleIn post 830, MariaR wrote:there's only 1 reason I'd be okay with and I know it's not that so
I don't really care I don't like it"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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It seemed to me that if you had a legitimate reason to disagree with the Andrius wagon, that you would talk to someone about their reasons for voting. Then suddenly I learn you don't even know why I'm voting Andrius.
Why should I assume that you're trying to get anything interesting accomplished here besides deriding a wagon for the sake of deriding it when you're not even willing to look at why I voted?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Who is that a gif of? Connor?In post 843, Tammy wrote:"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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!!In post 847, Tammy wrote:Or maybe carter?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Andrius, I will get back with you when I get a chance - this game has been thrown on the back burner a bit and I won't have a ton of time to work with this week so it will have to be of the short and sweet variety but I won't forget about you."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I didn't mean anything out of game.In post 885, Andrius wrote:I don't know, man.
I could write for a long time about things that probably don't matter to people here/matter anymore but that'd be a waste of my time.
This isn't some form of betrayal.
Yes, perhaps I was foolish to think I could just pick things up where I left off with people after being gone for years and more time wearing a black tie than I wanted to.
But if I were to speak honestly from the heart we'd be so far off-track with this game.
So no.
I'll mortify the heart and do what I can for you all.
I'll stay here, as long as you let me.
I meant right here, right now, that you drew scum and that you were a bad man and you were supposed to draw town for our mighty mighty reunion after so long.
I have nothing against you as a person; I'm not sure why our reunion is off to a rocky start if you are town (describing your perspective on me a little more thoroughly is a good place to start), but my words were not referencing us reconnecting to people at all and instead you connecting with the game per your alignment."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Since when is calling your posting fake undermining everything that you're doing? I also don't understand where I crossed a line here/what line I crossed; are you saying that me saying that your reads were poetry was crossing a line?In post 885, Andrius wrote:See this is just opinions.
I have my reads, which are my opinions.
You might think I'm bullshitting but that doesn't change what I think.
Tammy might be all happy to walk into the game but I was like whoa hang on there's something off here.
Doesn't mean she's not happy.
Like, you can call my reads wrong. That's ok.
But don't sit here and undermine everything I'm doing.
The problem with you're "hey there's something off here" is that I don't know where it originated from - why wouldn't you expect Tammy to be happy? Is how you approach your read on Tammy really directly linked to her happiness levels?
I didn't like your reads because there wasn't any heart in them. If you think that I'm selling you short, don't tell me that I'm insulting - put me on the correct path.
Things like "drealmer is as drealmer does but imma be a mason" - at best, you're referring to something that happened outside of this game that gives you an edge in reading him that you aren't explaining because...? There's "We're always waiting for the next season. The producers don't want any big moves this early. Also, you remind me of AGM a bit with the (apparently) you have a preference for MAFIA and there's less engagement here. But hey, we're talking atnd its D1 so maybe we'll stick it to the producers this one eh?" - I don't know what the TV references are about; what I do know is that your read on Maria seems to boil down to "she likes scum and isn't engaged so town!", which is again something that I think is objectively weak. And I could go on and on but I don't think it's necessary; I have no idea how "Andrius I think you're approach is fake" got warped into something other than a criticism of play, but that's all it is. There's no attack on you as a person. I don't know how the wires got crossed badly enough where my approach doesn't end in you talking more about your reads and that bothers me."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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You play with a mixture of reads and specific tells; you play with a thought process that has depth beyond a kiddie pool, and you've known me long enough to know that I don't demand perfection behind every read. I find it funny that you don't know how to defend yourself from someone telling you that your reads are bullshit; if I call you shallow, then you show me depth.In post 885, Andrius wrote:Look I'm not expecting you to be all GIVE THIS MAN PROFESSOR MAFIA.
I play in my own mixture of reads with a few specific tells I've picked up from being here long enough.
I don't know how to engage with you here because you're shutting down this entire conversation with NO ITS ALL BULLSHIT YOUR READS ARE POETRY.
Do you disagree with my reads? Or is it how I am presenting them? Do you think Pine is scum? Do you think Fro99er is scum? Do you think Maria is scum? Do you think Sly is scum?
Or are you just taking issue with my tone or presentation or something?
Because just going LOL POETRY is bull.
No, I'm not taking issue with the accuracy of your reads; I very obviously have not been even kind of engaged in this current game. I am taking issue with your reasoning. When I read your readslist and you are explaining itself and I physically recoil from your reasoning, that's a problem. If I lost meaning with my attempt to be light then I'm sorry but my entire issue is that your reads seem fake because that's not how I've known you to read people. That's not how I've known most to read people."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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So the reasoning you disliked my opening and thought I was falling emotionally flat was... gut?In post 885, Andrius wrote:I know better than to assume people don't change after years.
I would be lying if I said I hadn't.
Its like, I pretend that I can just pick up relationships after awhile with no change because certain people don't care about what happens in the rainy days, so to speak.
My words to you are an odd mixture of HI LETS PICK THIS UP AGAIN and OK WELL MAYBE YOU DONT or well maybe we just never had a strong relationship to begin with.
I would say more but the best example of this is somewhat on-going so I can't.
I mean.
You're here now, interacting with me.
So I guess I got what I wanted, eh?
My gut on you is usually right.
That newbie, both Xeno games we townread each other instantly but then allowed ourselves to doubt in the long-term, twice leading to my lynch in order to guarantee the win.
Its the paranoia that usually kills us. Well, me. You outlived me every time.
Maybe I should stop bringing in myself from outside the game into the game.
Maybe I should just wear the mask.
I'm not telling you to wear a mask. I'm not telling you not to be yourself. I'm asking you to explain where exactly this approach to me is coming from; maybe it's been too long and I've forgotten and maybe I'm the one being silly but I don't understand how you're getting to "Nacho is emotionally flat" when I straight up haven't been around and the few posts that I have made have depended more on emotion than anything else. I don't understand where the "you know I can read you bit" is coming from period - were you trying to throw scum!Nacho off his game? Was it just a way of saying hello that I misunderstood?
I'm asking you to open up so I understand what you are saying and instead I'm just getting a big ol' wall of lead and I'll acknowledge a good part of this awkward dance is due to time but you have to cut me a bit of slack and stop assuming that I'm approaching this as a criticism of you as a person - our relationship as people is considerably less complicated than our relationship as players (as people I've been to dark places too and I am not a friend that needs maintenance; once we have a connection it's there when you need it). As players, our approach to each other is an approach wrought with a lot of paranoia - I remember good reads yes but I remember crippling paranoia as well and so going "Nacho - you are not a human - I can read you" stood out as not how I expected you to approach me if you were scumreading me. I hoped you would explain your approach, say "oh it was just me trying to intimidate you" or "I have a different approach now"; I'm not trying to shut you out."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I can respond in real time but my goal right now is to respond to everything that you wrote and so that's what I'm doing until you tell me otherwise."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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When I scumread or I start to scumread someone, sometimes I feel like dropping the hammer. Sometimes I feel like being playful. The idea that I'm not opening conversation because I am not approaching it in a single narrow way is a shallow one, is a wrong one, is something that you know consciously or subconsciously is not how this works. When you talked about me initially you didn't go "hey Nacho can I see where your head is at?" you went "Nacho you are emotionally flat and scum", and that's how interactions need to happen - you shouldn't be worried about trying to foster a conversation because the only thing it takes for the conversation to start is "I think you are scum". You don't need to watch your tone around me or be worried you're saying the wrong thing to me because we will work through it just fine eventually and I think the assertion that I need to be conciliatory to you instead of playful when I feel like being playful is wrong.In post 1049, Andrius wrote:I don't mean conversation in general. But the whole YOUR READS ARE POETRY or THIS IS BENEATH YOU doesn't open conversation about it. You basically leave room for one to go "nope". This exchange didn't start with some "can you explain your reads? because I don't get lots of reasoning from you that I can appreciate. Can you use layman's words?" Both of you went straight to the "ITS ALL TERRIBLE/SHIT/POETRY/TALKING TO TOOGELOOS EIGHTH GRADE SPANISH TEACHER" which is useless for me because I can't help you because clearly you don't want to be helped. You didn't ask for reads or a discussion, you simply went this is terrible and below my perception of where your play should be."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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And since this is woven in with a response to me:In post 1049, Andrius wrote:How did you imagine this conversation going down?
a) YEAH TAMMY IM SORRY LYNCH ME FOR NOT PLAYING UP TO YOUR EXPECTATIONS
b) Ignore you entirely.
c) Some form of "NO, AND"
Because, from my angle, it looks like you don't really care about what I'm saying and more of you zoomed in on not liking how I'm playing this.
It wouldn't be at all unreasonable for you to go into more depth on your reads or explain why you're reading them the way you are. The Maria context that you gave in a recent response - helpful. If you don't have anything more to say, then whoops my assumptions were wrong we will work through them.
I don't know where you got that either of us "didn't care what you were saying" - sure, I adopted an aggressive approach but that doesn't mean that I'm not listening; even in Perpetual MyLo where both ffery and I were scumreading both heads of the hydra you were in with Mollie westilllistened - that's the depth of respect I have for you as a player so all of this "they're ignoring me!" is wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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My intention isn't for an Andrius wagon. My intention is to understand where Andrius is coming from.In post 1049, Andrius wrote:Well if you want anyone to take this Andrius wagon of your seriously you might want to get in here sooner than later.
And yes I am totally ok with you voting me as long as you're here posting and being readable and making reads and stuff because if Tammy doesn't have a read on you something's wrong or something.
I would gladly accept a daykill to the face if it meant we got a decent post from you every other day or something.
As for my presence in games, unfortunately new schedule is kicking my ass and that has led to some fucking up, especially in places where it feels I have to work instead of play. It's possible the weekend brings a new Nacho. It's possible the weekend doesn't."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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If my prod dodge deals with you and you and nothing but you, that means that I'm making you a priority.In post 1049, Andrius wrote:I mean.
I'd think you'd want to read a scumread's walls in the hopes of betting informing yourself of their alignment.
Especially when it comes to someone like me.
If I could instantly download your posts into my brain than it'd be done already but unfortunately I have to set aside time or I have to make time and sacrifice sleep occasionally to make progress on a game which means that sometimes progress can be slow in coming. This is another part where I don't understand where you're driving at with your approach - I thought it was fairly obvious that the intention behind that post was "I'm reading Andy's walls the second I get back" but it's possible that my message was worded poorly."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Me saying that you were posting poetry was a playful reference to Battlestar Galactica which is probably the last game we've played together. I wasn't going to break down your reads individually and explain why they made me uncomfortable because I don't yet have the time to do things like that but when I'm skimming and something stands out as that harsh of a red flag yes I'm going to comment and yes I'm going to push. I figured that my push on you would urge you to read me in a deeper way, I thought that a "your play is funky" message from people who used to be able to read you would be incentive for you to be more transparent for you to backtrack and explain where you were coming from earlier but instead wires crossed, broke, and burned.In post 1337, Andrius wrote:I had no qualms. I missed you, and then you showed up and joined in the small gathering of (now dispersed) people who were basically like andrius is posting poetry/beneath his caliber of player so it was like, well what do we do here. There was ZERO engaging on reads. Like, if you came in here all Nacholove being "andy, I literally agree with zero of your reads. lets talk and sort this out." we'd be having a different conversation. But that's not what happened."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Except hey I don't have time and no I'm not comfortable with you being lynched.In post 1337, Andrius wrote:There's a little feeling that you're scum because you engaged me and I'm still not a townread of yours and yet you're doing nothing about it. Scum-Andrius should be an easy lynch for you to push almost LITERALLY by saying 'ANDRIUS IS SCUM, I AM NACHOMAMMA, WE READ EACH OTHER THIS WELL'. Or at least, we did.
Like, you're literally calling me scum here.
Come at me.
Where's your vote?
Where's the call to arms?
I don't really think you think I'm scum.
Because if you're town and you think I'm scum this day ends with me dead. Because we aren't going to give each other free passes just for old times' sake.
I kind of think you're scum because you're scumreading me and you're after garryoat. Which is cool. Bus away. I'm more than willing to lynch him because he's scum and/or as a policy lynch. We can call it whatever you like. He's scum and needs death.
I'm not going to go FULL STEAM AHEAD when we haven't played together in years and you are responding to posts, and yes, sometimes I will vote one place while I'm having intense conversations in another. I'm not going to be comfortable with powerlynching you when there's still a lot on the table to sort. If I was comfortable with powerlynching you, you'd know and Tammy would know and SlySly would know and VasudeVa would know because it would be time and I would let the people know. Now is not the time."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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You're 100% right that I'm abandoning you in this game and I'm sorry for that. This game is a miserable, annoying slog and I have been playing with replacing out because it is a miserable, annoying slog.In post 2054, Tammy wrote:As much as it depresses me nacho is probably scum for just whistling by all that too."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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The easy way for things to work out is for you to just talk of us without all of this additional mess.In post 1358, Andrius wrote:No I'm not saying either of you were.
Was more of a how else is this supposed to work out *lists options*.
As I pointed out before, there was an easy, painless way to sort through it all which was explain where you were coming from - as in if you attack me and tell that my reads are shallow my response is going to be that either I don't think they're shallow/they're shallow for a reason/something, notyou are attacking me as a person. I think that right now that this is a massive lead wall in the way of communication between you and I and Tammy and if we can't break through it here then I'm probably getting out of here and talking about it when I have distance from it all.
In this specific situation, my problem is that we came to you telling that you weren't playing up to expectations. Why is that statement unreasonable, why is it rude, why is it an affront to you as a player? You know that we haven't played in a while but hey expectations still exist - when I'm playing with you I'm expecting you to post reads that are a bit more fleshed out than that reads list was. I mean, hell, maybe I'm just incredibly off in my expectations in the new you and that's a readjustment period even so it's just a readjustment period - the approach that would have helped me most there would be telling me that I was off and nothing more - you know me better than a person who would attack you as a person."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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If the game's been a slog, it's because two people who I love are fighting and because I haven't been able to build up the gumption to post and separate and parse through it being parsing through it hurts. If the game's been a slog, it's for reasons you don't understand - I understand that Andrius is your friend and you feel inclined to protect him but all things like this accomplish is twisting a knife where it doesn't need to be twisted.In post 2071, SlySly wrote:If the game is slog, that's because your effort in it has been such."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Right now, the reasons I know you want Tammy lynched is because she's been aggressive towards Andrius. Is that the extent of it?In post 2071, SlySly wrote:I want Tammy lynched."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Based on the way that I play, this isn't happening; people like you don't "sneak by", you either destroy me completely or you get destroyed. I'm sure if we're both town here then a moment of mutual meltdown is sure to occur in the future because that's how things have a way of happening, but I don't have it in me to go through this for another day. Rebuilding whatever is broken between all of us is sure to take time and understanding and quelling of feelings for a moment to listen but if it can't happen then I'm not playing.In post 1358, Andrius wrote:I get busy.
Don't want this falling by the wayside with some convenient both of you are super busy oh darn that scumandrius snuck by us again."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Hey Sly - you told me that I don't know how to play and have fun.In post 2078, SlySly wrote:
You can't be serious. If you are, just start at 785.In post 2072, Desperado wrote:quote her being rude
Is this part of having fun? Is it productive to the game?
Tell me why you want to lynch Tammy. Leave the dark emotions out of it."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I do think that Pine's opening is probably more likely to be town than scum; it's not a significant read but it reminds me of a Mastina opening; it limits his fakeclaim options in a pretty weird way (unless he's willing to take completely unnecessary heat) and it's not a good way to limit fakeclaims when he doesn't really have any idea of the town roles that he's up against.In post 1360, Andrius wrote:Given your propensity towards lying in STRAHD, don't mind me if I don't necessarily take this at face value."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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We've talked about 785 already; in 785, it was clarified that Andrius's reads weren't as in depth or well reasoned as Tammy (or I) expected them to be. Is this rude? Is this an attack on his character?In post 2083, SlySly wrote:
Keep going.In post 2080, Desperado wrote:????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
It seems to me like you're reading a quarter of the situation and understanding an eighth of it; I again, understand that you're probably coming from a good place and see Andrius being frustrated and want to help ease that frustration but the approach you're taking now just isn't helping; at best you're antagonizing the other side and pushing Tammy/Andrius apart and that certainly won't help him at all. It doesn't help him to feel like someone hates him and it doesn't help for him to feel like he's hurting someone else; the only way to move past it is by understanding what's going on and being open to both sides, not chucking fuel into the fire.
Why do you want to lynch Tammy?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Telling Tammy that she's putting Moist into her words and that somehow is making the game less fun and impossible to play is ridiculous. It's not playing the game, it's attacking Tammy. If he wasn't attacking Tammy specifically, why didn't he call out any of the 10 other people who put Moist into their words? Why did he single out Tammy?In post 780, Andrius wrote:Which is, frankly, a stupid thing to put into role pms but whatever it doesn't add anything to the game and basically encourages spam/shit/empty posting as EP realized because he TOLD US NOT TO SPAM POST THE WORDS."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Telling someone they're being unnecessarily pissy isn't "playing the game". If you tell someone that they're being unnecessarily pissy, the response you're getting back isn't going to be happy happy joy joy BRO FISTS.In post 786, Andrius wrote:Because I feel like you're being unnecessarily pissy about this whole thing.
Again, Sly, I know that you are defending Andrius because he is your friend and you like him. I understand that. But there have been missteps and hurt feelings and lashing out on both sides, and picking a horse and backing it isn't helping either side. If you care about Andrius, stop twisting the knife and help the game move past this."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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And look.In post 786, Andrius wrote:
Should I be mad? Are you trying to provoke me? What is the point of this. Because I feel like you're being unnecessarily pissy about this whole thing.In post 782, Tammy wrote:That is the scummiest retort you could have made Andrius. Really below your caliber as a player.
Disappointing.
You said that 785 wasn't necessarily rude, this is the response it got.
This isn't the beginning to healthy communication, this isn't the beginning to a healthy and meaningful relationship, so don't pretend that all of it is one-sided because you aren't helping Andrius by doing so.
So, again.
Why do you want to lynch Tammy?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 2070, Nachomamma8 wrote:You're 100% right that I'm abandoning you in this game and I'm sorry for that. This game is a miserable, annoying slog and I have been playing with replacing out because it is a miserable, annoying slog.
I called the game a slog.In post 2071, SlySly wrote:If the game is slog, that's because your effort in it has been such.
In the post immediately after mine, you said that "if the game was a slog, it's because my effort has been such".
You weren't talking to me, Sly?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Oh, and someone attacking your top TR immediately makes them scum?In post 2093, SlySly wrote:Why do I want Tammy lynched? Andrius is my top TR. Her attack on him makes her my top SR.
You don't think that people have the capacity of being wrong?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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If you're here to have fun, then stop twisting the knife.In post 2093, SlySly wrote:I'm here to have fun first, and I know Andrius is too. He's my friend, yes, but that's NAI.
How difficult is it to understand that the situation that we're experiencing is not fun and the real grand way to make the situation die down a little bit is by stopping blaming it on one side entirely?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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