STEVEN UNIVERSE MAFIA - GAME OVER

[Sonic X]

[Sonic X]

okay i believe you

VOTE: beer

[Sonic X]

i thought you can only ally during night?

[Sonic X]

i thought you can only ally during night?

?

[Sonic X]

also hi skybird!

<3

[Sonic X]

Also sonix so we ally tonight?

yeah okay

[Sonic X]

i think its better to claim this early:

If you are townreading me, please use a night action on me. Any kind (except vig kills, duh): Cop, Doc, Jailkeep, Track, Watch -- any kind. If you're not townreading me, then fine. Thanks.

[Sonic X]

So we have 2 "stump" claims and a double voter claim already... this will be fun

-Z

[Sonic X]

@Beer if sonic didn't vote you already then this post would have caused me to vote you again lmao.
Also Vezok is town Vezok so far

Thats basically all my thoughts for now.

-Z

[Sonic X]

I might be tipsy, but Sonic looks really evil.

Reasonably Rational looks like a puke stain on the wall.

Grapes looks like that guy at a party who's trying too hard to impress and is actually really sleazy and someone who you should probably not befriend because they will do bad things to you after drugging you or something.

Hm.

VOTE: Sonic

I'd hate to say it but every "scum" that is caught will find that the scum hunting sonic to be evil for catching them.
And considering this head doesn't drink beer is also makes perfect sense somewhat too (lol).
-Z

p-edit: Idk I am just surprised to find so many claims so early on personally.

[Sonic X]

No, really, Sonic is probably scum. No jokes.

Mkay,.. So we are scum , Alright cool.

And America is in africa.


If you'd call us scum then at least try harder to push us or something. Such light attacks are something only someone who wouldn't want to be deep in crap after town finds out hes lying would do. Can only think of scum doing that.

Eitherway I will wait on metal to discuss a few things. We still have no hydra PT so yea.. :>

-Z

[Sonic X]

I might be tipsy, but Sonic looks really evil.

You talking to me??

[Sonic X]

mastina, will you stop that terrible habit of yours that is making bullshit reads on people on like page 3? It ruins your credibility. And yes, it CAN go down further


On a side note, maxwell is really town, and those of you scumreading him need to learn to play mafia

Vezok very town too

I love bins

Mastina and farside not on the table

That's about all I can remember

[Sonic X]

Oh yes

Cheety probably town

[Sonic X]

I want to alliance with bins. Just for the hood

[Sonic X]

Vezok if you get buffed by alliance making can you ally with someone else first? I don't. So yeah.

[Sonic X]

Btw, targeting to me to ally w/ me is pointless. Don't waste it on me. I mean, I'm flattered, really. But don't do it. It's wasteful.

This is a really important claim btw. Don't miss it.

wait, so I can't join in a hood with you? At all? To talk about stuff?

[Sonic X]

Hooding with me is also pretty useless! But can talk about fun stuff

[Sonic X]

Ok then I won't ally with you then.

Sad

I want binsy~~

[Sonic X]

Man, my character's just a jerk, dude.

But you are not a jerk!! And you make up for it <3

[Sonic X]

I understand that thinking of names for a hydra can be tough, but gosh

[Sonic X]

I think that Doctor Wgeurts would have worked better on than this

[Sonic X]

whatever

lets kill beer, terrible

[Sonic X]

Sonic, who's made which posts so far?

ZZZX will sign his posts with a -Z at the back

i will not sign

[Sonic X]

also, after seeing the post like 3 times, I am not liking #201

suspecting fuzzy llogic

[Sonic X]

[Sonic X]

Is it too late to perhaps sign up for the Mastin Academy? Because you are clearly god's gift to mafia and it would be a shame if I could not learn from someone so keenly insightful as yourself.

You clearly have a good grasp of what's going on in this game, and I can only hope people will not sheep someone as brilliant as you.

Oi. You are in no fucking position to say this to mastina. Even I am offended.

You owe her 1 apology.

[Sonic X]

My sincerest apologies.

[Sonic X]

why are people bitching about the reasons for my reads and not mastina's?

oh, right, because i am held to higher standards

all right my lovely fans, mr. sonic will entertain you, really soon

[Sonic X]

what do you think of beer's shitty omgus on me?

[Sonic X]

Summarising it as OMGUS both fails to recognise what OMGUS actually means, fails to recognise the actual points I'm making and is also a terrible point because theoretically anyone I scum-read could be considered "OMGUS" if the simple definition you're using is "anyone who is scum reading you" - one of the perils of virtually the entire player list being fine with your lynch, I suppose!

yeah, the actual points you're making are contrived after you decided that i'm your 'target' because i was the first one to sheep vezok against you? lol?

you're molding the evidence to fit the theory, rather than the theory to fit the evidence. a right person would have me as null, nulltown or nullscum at worst. you? "omg obv scum asdfghjkl". not natural, not real, a load of bullshit, just like your posts

let me show you

[Sonic X]

First, your entrance into this game involves asking a pointless question that was never going to go anywhere. The answer was obvious. The fact that you insisted on repeating the question as though it was somehow worth addressing just makes me think you're trying to look like you're being inquisitive when you're not really.

was the answer obvious? i have 0 flavor knowledge. nobody answered my question. please elucidate on this point.

reads a bit like over-compensating and I feel if you were actually town, you would have just left this part out.

do you have empirical evidence to prove your tell, or are you talking out of your ass? So your argument is my English redundancy is a scumtell. please go ahead and explain why.

And third, your reaction to #45 was just all sorts of bad, both in terms of the underlying tone and the underlying sentiment.

Given, Z made the posts in response to #45. But an overwhelming number of other players also hated #45. a lot. why don't you explain what is "bad" about Z's "underlying tone" and "underlying sentiment" so that he can learn from this? and show me that you aren't talking out of your ass, mr vague

Post #197 is about the closest thing to a town post in his ISO, and even that looks like something I myself would write as scum (the line about Maxwell in particular).

can you explain what makes it look like a town post? can you explain how you could write it as scum? your point is that #197 "is potentially fake-able", point accepted, but calling out "i don't really like their posts so far" is so subjective i'm laughing. not even a legitimate scumread.


so it seems like your accusations against my slot are "he hasn't done anything townie yet". fucking lol. the longest and most valid explanation you have against my slot are against my hydra partner's posts, and i'll let him explain to you on those specific points.

but please do show me the "actual points" you're making, because from what i see, they can be summarized as "Sonic's posts are bad.", but consistently failing to explain and analyze why. which is no 'case'

but i don't expect any 'case' from you, fuck cases,

[Sonic X]

what do you think of beer's shitty omgus on me?

Apparently he is not the only one scum reading you so.....???

actually he was. beer was spamming stuff that looked like cool cases but upon closer inspection is just "this post is bad" "his posts are bad". then when he asked "do you think sonic x is scum??" bins and ricastle went "i agree!". which is not cool, but meh

[Sonic X]

Oh yes

Cheety probably town

Tell me.
About this.

VOTE: Sonic X

sure sure let me stroke your ego

Spoiler: ab workouts

Anyways, I like grapes. The um.. the player. Not the fruit. I actually hate grapes.

Tell me.
About this.

I like grapes', the player's, posts.

What about them do you like?
Tell me more.
Which ones.
Which parts of them.
I'd love to know more.

By the way, my vote wasn't RVS.

Excited for you.

I need to drink more Beer to get a read on them.
Especially because of their inner nature.
I do think anyone making a big deal out of #45 isn't good at telling when someone is kidding around or doesn't care [and is a scumble].

Grapes is a shrug so far.
What about 42 do you like? That it has a lot of words in it?

Varsoon isn't a dumb-butt.
Flavour isn't going to break the game.

I still would like you to articulate what you find townleaning about Grapes in 42.

interacting with another player (whose explanations have been vague up till that point) to develop a read not only on him but also another player(grapes) whom he is having a null read. this is scumhunting -- two in one. the thought process is consistent.

Spoiler: are working

Or Beer/vezok could be scum, with a scum-flavoured role, with a fakeclaim to prevent massclaim bullshit on D1.

Tbf I would also like to hear from Beer on this.

I'm just saying that it's also plausible that Lars could be a fakeclaim for a scummier flavour name.
IE: Vezok could be scum and Beer town.
Not really leaning that way atm, just find it questionable that you're omnomnoming so hard on flavour here.

GOD DAMMIT WHO ARE LARS AND SADIE

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/ste ... 0402215739

Our interests, our likes, hobbies, dislikes, etc, etc. Girls, for all I care.

I like video games.

Oh, and the game, I guess.

Apparently Beer scumclaimed in a neighbourhood and he hasn't really talked about it yet. What a jerk.

Okay.

Hmm... we have two people here claiming to be stumps and only one person isn't counted. A liar in our midst?

We'll see, won't we?
Vezok's doublevoting only became apparent once he moved off of not voting.

Tell me how you're reading BeerVvezokthings.
And Maxwell.
And grapes.
And me because I'm selfish and like attention.
Gogogogogogogogogo.

he's open-minded in the beer-vezok thing in a manner that wants to understand both sides of the argument before placing judgment -- he's doing so in a town-like manner by being vocal about it and not being weaselly or sneaky with his words.

okay, i understand that I voted Beer out of the gate, but that was RVS -- until it wasn't.

this may be unclear.

clarification: whether or not one waits or does not wait to evaluate the vezok-beer scenario depends on a multitude of factors, including playstyle and relationship with the related parties (beer and vezok).

what would be alignment indicative is if one avoids/hops into the scenario with not-legit reasons. one hypothetical example is if a scumbuddy avoided voting beer because "but vezok might be lying!", then that is likely not legit, and we caught a scumbuddy.



also, gut

[Sonic X]

Why are so many people not voting? Might as well rename this Caution Mafia.

Pushes vote button
Nothing happen
Cries inside

You / me tonight?

what do you think of beer's shitty omgus on me?

Apparently he is not the only one scum reading you so.....???

actually he was. beer was spamming stuff that looked like cool cases but upon closer inspection is just "this post is bad" "his posts are bad". then when he asked "do you think sonic x is scum??" bins and ricastle went "i agree!". which is not cool, but meh

Like I said I don't see the case but reading it I don't see omgus reasoning.

In the end I expect today to go
Vezo: lynch obv scum beer
Lots of sheeping
Beer ultimately lynched.
Me crying inside with lack of vote.

can you ever get your vote back? just wondering.

[Sonic X]

Oh, right. I almost forgot about Sonic.

I still feel there is a very, very good chance he is scum and none of his recent posts have dissuaded me from this opinion.

Post #197 is about the

closest

thing to a town post in his ISO, and even that looks like something I myself would write as scum (the line about Maxwell in particular). So nope, he's done nothing that looks even remotely town so far. I am surprised no one else is actually reading his posts, or if they are, they're ignoring what seems rather obvious. It seems rather odd that the only one who seems to have eyes is a mug of beer.

Ftr, I also think Sonic is scum.

mind explaining why you're listening to obvscumbeer?

Oh, right. I almost forgot about Sonic.

I still feel there is a very, very good chance he is scum and none of his recent posts have dissuaded me from this opinion.

Post #197 is about the

closest

thing to a town post in his ISO, and even that looks like something I myself would write as scum (the line about Maxwell in particular). So nope, he's done nothing that looks even remotely town so far. I am surprised no one else is actually reading his posts, or if they are, they're ignoring what seems rather obvious. It seems rather odd that the only one who seems to have eyes is a mug of beer.

Ftr, I also think Sonic is scum.

I can also see it.

no you can't

[Sonic X]

Would you consider helping me

bus

distance

lynch him?

Depends who gets more support. If we lynch Sonic, you die tomorrow, and vice versa.

what the hell is this doing in the thread?

[Sonic X]

ZZZX here on phone. Literally skimmed everything on phone and I am surprised how bad bear case was. Nearly non exostant infact and people like marquis followed it? Marquis I know you are better than following a random paragraph of bullshit that uses some shiny words to appear like a case.

Unless you are scum. Which I hope you are not cus I wana enjoy interacting with you to catch scum

Either way I'll see ya all in 1-2 hours when I am on pc
-Z

P.s:beer rephrase your case on us using simple nice words instead of some underlying usagage of random words you can apply to any post.. Ever.

Then we will see if it will still be a case and not some random bullshit

Pp.s: light attacks on the first two pages are a major scumtell like it or not.

Pedit:reading a few people posts feels like I am losing IQ.. Lol

[Sonic X]

Spoiler: @farside

nobody who has played mafia for over 1 month would honestly admit to omgus reasoning.*


like, my rebound on beer is secretly part of omgus reasoning. but you don't see that in any of my posts, or attacks against him

actually i am not even attacking at all. i am defending. from his "attacks" that are actually fueled (secretly) by omgus reasoning. because when i look into the reasoning for his posts it is actually no visible discernable reasoning. which I have shown.




*except me. i just admitted to omgus reasoning.

[Sonic X]

what the hell is this doing in the thread?

I cannot see both of you as town. I think it's very likely one of you is town and one is scum (although I wouldn't discount both scum), so I'd like to PoE you.

So in other words you will use poe.
If they are town we are scum
If they are scum there are two scum and we are scum?

Thus I just heard the most messed up thing in a while

-Z

Also brb

[Sonic X]

what the hell is this doing in the thread?

I cannot see both of you as town. I think it's very likely one of you is town and one is scum (although I wouldn't discount both scum), so I'd like to PoE you.

not this shit again

70% of the time someone interferes with a conversation and says "one is scum and one is town" without saying who is which, that person is actually scum and the two people are town

you should probably stop with that

[Sonic X]

what the hell is this doing in the thread?

I cannot see both of you as town. I think it's very likely one of you is town and one is scum (although I wouldn't discount both scum), so I'd like to PoE you.

furthermore this is page 12. there is no way a legitimate town player can seriously arrive at "PoE".

congrats dude. you just earned scumpoints for a stupid comment that eggs conflict on...

even if beer flips scum i'll be looking at you funny for this.

[Sonic X]

No, I want to lynch both of you regardless of the first flip, to cover all possibilities. I'm relatively confident it will yield at least 1 dead scum.

Pedit: lol, that is a shitty-ass post. 70% is a cautious value because it sounds high while also leaving plenty of room for exception. Also I think I made it clear that I don't know who is which alignment, which is why I want to lynch both of you regardless of flips. Are you scumreading me now then?

you do realise that your post has more scum motivation than town motivation?

don't be wondering how you are easily lynched. **


70% is the score I need to get an A grade in my school. fuck off.

i can show you games where scum went 'this is scum vs town' and they both flipped town, it is not difficult to find.


i would like to believe that I can read you easily, especially when you're town. so please, play that way.

[Sonic X]

daykill:ricastle

[Sonic X]

oh, yea, you're a doublevoter


all doublevoters are town. the scum dude in smite doesnt count, because it didnt reveal in his role flip. farside's slot was a doublevoter and flipped town

yea, i would say vezok conftown but some people would cock about it

[Sonic X]

Good one.

thank you


tso was more obnoxious when I sniped the first scum in smite mafia. though he wasn't the one getting shot, ha

[Sonic X]

I love how ric is trying to make anything we say something scummy. Loving how u even made out that 70% (which is standard A grade in UK universities) is something scummy.

I don't fucking get how you think. But a flip prob will clear stuff up,So we can lynch beer after you flip scum.

[Sonic X]

Above is -Z

[Sonic X]

Haven't got time for a full post but seriously Titus and ika. Do we have to fucking do this every time? And in the end you both flip town after just attacking each others forever. Goddamn it..

-Z

[Sonic X]

........................................................

In what way was your question helpful? Obviously we are in alliance so obviously the answer was obvious.

Not only that, but the main point I was making was that the question you were asking was going nowhere. Asking it would not help you get a better grasp of the situation. Yet you repeated it like there was some merit to the question and it required an answer for some reason. No. No, it didn't, and this is contributory to the overall picture with your play so far; an insincere approach to scum hunting.

....................................................

Just because something isn't useful for you, doesn't mean that it's useless for me. I'm clarifying a claim that contradicts what was publicly mentioned in the rules about neighborhood mechanics, so fucking pardon me if I was confused and wanted to understand what was going on. Also, what's obvious to you isn't necessarily obvious to everybody else, so go fuck yourself. Especially when you think you're going to lecture me about "helpful", fucking lol.

You seem to draw a lot of conclusions about it's not how 'town' would go about things, well I play town differently from you and this is something you should know.

I would hesitate to ever use the term "scum tell", but the way you were phrasing that post (and, in my opinion, most of your other posts) is indicative of a scum mindset. It shows you're overly conscious of how people are reading you and reading into the things you're saying, but not in a good way.

The bolded paragraph would have made sense without that part. That part was unnecessary. In my opinion, so was the "if you are townreading me" part as well (which I also think is a little telling and if you ever claim something that doesn't explain this, then I feel my point about this is even stronger).

I think the reason you phrased it the way you did is because you wanted to come across as a town player who was being reasonable, but the way you wrote it just suggests to me that you weren't thinking like you would have as town.

That's just like, your opinion man. This is just a 'gotcha' game that eliminates any room for town interpretation. Have you considered the town motivation for my post? Did you read that the part where "I think it's better to claim this early" == I was hesitant to claim it? Behold, 'master of tone', you're casually omitting town-tells which would have been noticed at such deep a level of analysis, in order to push your agenda, rather than genuine scumhunting.

See what I did? I made whatever you said good for me. You're harping on tone rather than substance -- and belittling your detractors to make them seem that they should not be listened to. I've already observed you doing this to Mastin.

If by an "overwhelming number" you mean Ricastle and Titus, then you and I seem to have very different ideas about what an overwhelming number looks like.

You're right. I was wrong. My hydra partner hated it too, so that makes 3, but welp.

What exactly do you mean when Titus is a 'unique' player? Have you played with her before?

Also, the "lmao" on the end is primarily what I mean when I'm referring to tone. It was out of place. Either he recognised it was a joke post and was laughing at it (in which case, the entire preceding sentiment doesn't fit) or he didn't and was laughing because he thought it was incredibly scummy or something (in which case, my point about how you're post in a way that isn't indicative of a town mindset is strengthened).

Or he recognised it as something incredibly scummy and was glad and/or heartened to see that his faithful hydra partner was already on public enemy number 1. Keep continuing to plaster "reads" based on 'tone' to further your agenda.

You should probably explain better what you mean by "post in a way that isn't indicative of a town mindset is strengthened", because apparently an overwhelming number of people (that's right, I got it right this time) have mentioned that few of your posts are of a town mindset. They're arguing in support of you because of "too scummy to be scum".

So yeah, we have 'very different ideas' about what a 'town mindset' looks like.

The way both you and your partner are approaching this game seems overly aggressive in a way that doesn't make a lot of sense to me, and the things you're saying are not things I would expect you (or really, any player) to write as town. The way you're responding to me, for example, looks incredibly hollow. This "refutation" of my points isn't even a refutation and most of it fails to even comprehend what I was saying. Not only that, but you keep insisting that I'm obviously scum but you can't seem to make points that explain why you think this. In fact, you end this very post off with trying to suggest that my points are incredibly weak, but... what exactly have your points against me been? This example of hypocrisy is only a minor issue I have with you, when considering your overall approach to the game, which seems to be just throwing dirt at me, throwing out reads that don't look sincere to me in any way and playing with an aggressive nature that is unbefitting for what's actually taking place in this game. Everything you write looks fake.

First of all, I'm a very aggressive player. So is ZZZX. That's the way it is. If it "doesn't make a lot of sense" to you, then get that into your head.

I love the fact that you put we failed to "comprehend" you. We understand you rather well. You're overdefensive and belittles everyone who scumreads you. That's not a townie mindset at all. And really, you made few points, fewer were refutable -- they weren't even based on substance, more of "This is bad" "That isn't from a townie mindset". This fails to base *anything* on objective fact. You might as well repeat "you're scum" 30 times over at me, and at least you come across more honest and less misrepresentative of the validity of your points.

You dismiss whatever we do as "too aggressive" and "fake", but it doesn't follow through at all. Hypocrisy? When you're telling me about "making helpful posts"? Yeah, that's rich.

_____

It looks like you're softly suggesting that you think Ricastle is scum attacking two town players (with some made-up statistic) but that conflicts with your view that I'm "obvscum".

I'm admitting a theoretical possibility. You're still obvscum to me but *gasp* there's always a chance of me being wrong.

Heck, his post doesn't even look good if you *do* flip scum. Seems like a 3rd person being flippant about our conversation here. His "PoE" reasoning is lazy and shouldn't be possible by a legit town player at page 12, but *shrug* he's "a newbie".

Fact of the matter, I was townreading him before that post, which I considered a scumtell.

No, he needs death for that statement because he's cautiously setting up a fakeclaim which he's transparently hoping will clear him, and referring to a claim everyone is passing as town to subtilely and preemptively make his claim more believable. And the wording is generally awful.

Who are you talking about?

Thinking about that from the perspective of town and scum motivation is a silly thing to do.

Conversely, what's the scum motivation for egging on someone who thinks I'm scum?

What the literal fuck?

oops

[Sonic X]

I'm a player whose primary method of scum hunting is reading heavily into what (I think is) the underlying motivation behind the things someone writes (in case that wasn't already obvious from the things I'm saying about Sonic, for example).

lol

Thinking about that from the perspective of town and scum motivation is a silly thing to do.

Conversely, what's the scum motivation for egging on someone who thinks I'm scum?

are you shitting me

[Sonic X]

lol, i don't remember that guy,

will ISO him later. somehow 4 people voting him

[Sonic X]

i read radmann's ISO. it is objectively bad.

but try as I might, I cannot find his "softclaim" or "bait" whatever his role is in his ISO:

in essence radmann is trying to bait some night actions to target him. If it would give the town an advantage he should be more explicit about what his role is. This half-way bullshit makes me think it is some type of scum role.

someone needs to bold for me where cooldog got this read from

[Sonic X]

oh hiiiiiii cooldog

i have been longing to play with you

don't talk /about/ me, talk /to/ me, man!

[Sonic X]

oh yeah, i already noticed you, but you didn't say hi to me


about "cop me is scummy" thing, uh, I didn't ask for a "cop", I wanted actions on me. read the entire post and not cherry pick 1 word, bro.

and even assuming your point, calling me "scummy" for that makes 0 sense at all, especially when, y'know, <copping a scum will return a guilty result>, how on earth did you arrive at your conclusion, may I ask?

[Sonic X]

tunnelwarriors and reasonably rational are town btw

they are scumhunting

[Sonic X]

raging bull is only 'bad'... because ika?

frogger looks fine, townlean for now. I can read him, so I hope he generates more content to get a stronger read

[Sonic X]

VOTE: raging bull

shut the fuck up

[Sonic X]

fails at reading. viewtopic.php?p=6995170#p6995170 I want people to ally with me so I can do bad things to them is what that reads as. Sorry your buddy was caught.

????????????????????????????????????

radmann said: "I'm open to ally/fuse up with anyone who wants!"

you said: "asking for people to waste their night actions to target me"


yes, i "fail at reading", so maybe you should spell it out bigger because i couldn't see it the first time. i literally read his iso 4 times to find him asking people to target him and this is the stretch you linked me to. hello??

i was thinking more of something along my post in bold font

^which is still scummy. Why are you trying to direct night actions? Scum fucks do this. Directing night actions is scummy because it limits the towns information. Let's say you are a bullet proof godfather or something like that, well now the town just wasted a pr. There is no town reason to ever try to direct a night action towards yourself, unless there is some role that is activated by it, in which case you probably shouldn't disclose that because the scum will just kill you. So you are either scummy or a bad player, both lead me to want you gone.

how fucking naive are you, by the way? "directing night actions is scummy" is firstly wrong, i've seen 6 people been accused of this "scumtell" and all flipped town. so thats just not legit. secondly, i asked people who are townreading me to target me. if you find it scummy, then don't target me? i anticipated some dumbdumb to use this "omg directing night actions is scummy!" false tell, so i included the last sentence "if you're not townreading me, then don't" which beer picked up on. in no way does it limit the town's information, doing so would be anti-town.

please don't give bullshit conspiracy theories like "people asking to be copped is scummy because they are a godfather", it takes occams razor and violates it more than 5 [REDACTED] men can to a [REDACTED]. so no, that doesn't fly. why don't you take the townie interpretation, for example "passive reflexive motivator" -- gives whoever targets me two actions the next night? nope, totally not narrow-minded at all

scum won't kill me because of helpful people like you even if they tried, I "directed a doc's night action towards me". no problemo

tl;dr occams razor: i'm a townie and good player, my forthcomingness of my bolded claim is townie, it is a townie plan and you should work with me ^_^

Don't you find it funny that the two most scummy people are people who have requested for people to target them with night actions/alliances early? Hmmm, what a fucking coincidence

Don't you find it funny that all girls have boobs? Hmm, what a fucking coincidence.

ITS NO COINCIDENCE IF YOU LABEL THE ACTION AS "SCUMMY" THEN SUDDENLY CALL THEM BOTH "two most scummy people" HOLY SHIT

where the fuck is the logic??

i'm fusing with vezok, i claimed this early as well. maybe claiming who you are allying with is scummy too. hmm.

[Sonic X]

Sonic

: What was it about Maxwell that made you confident that he was town in 197?

Hi

Reasonably Rational

: What's your opinion on the argument between beer and Sonic? Does it have any effect on your beer read?

Hi

he was contributing very very very very very actively to discussion? not sure how /any/ of you missed that.

[Sonic X]

I, uh, I'm not even gonna

risk

touching that.

I should stop making cases on my phone, sorry mod for the mess.

@rational: what is the difference between asking for reads and asking you about players in the game?
Are you saying all you do is sit on your ass all game and throw words out with no scum hunting.
Finally: 1 negative comment about 1 player is not scum hunting. Saying so is bs.

@cooldog: stfu

I think there have been 3 comments about other individuals play that either Drixx or myself have made, once about tunnel, once about radmann, and once about yourself. I don't think any of those comments were scumhunting though. I'm just saying you're implying that we aren't offering up any reads while simultaneously saying we made a weak push on a scum read of ours. Perhaps you just spoke imprecisely, but it is impossible for you to know we made a weak push on a scum read of ours, unless we've also, whether subtly or overtly, made you aware of said scum read. Even the act itself, if you view it as an actual push, is an indication of our read on a slot.

The difference between asking for reads and asking me about players in the game?

Asking for a list of reads is lazy on your part, when those reads are scattered throughout my ISO. It just means even though you clearly read our ISO, you couldn't be bothered to do more than cherry pick those quotes that demonstrate the points you wanted demonstrated, while ignoring the other information about my slot that could be gleaned from them. Asking specific questions about specific players show ME and the rest of the town where your focus and thoughts are, and probably also shows information about how you feel about those subjects you're asking about. This is all useful information to town, and things scum want to obfuscate.

So, in short, asking for a list of reads(on day 1, ESPECIALLY) is both lazy, and bad scumhunting. Not alignment indicative, but it doesn't really help you much. Asking me for a specific thought on a specific subject? Not lazy, requires some thoughts about the game, forces me to either ignore the question or look at the interaction in question and give you my response. If I'm scum, it forces me to fabricate a much firmer stance on a subject than a nebulous day 1 reads list does. If I'm town, it makes my town voice ring louder and more noticeably.

CoolDoG: How do you feel about Tunnel attempting to control the actions of TWO other players?

-Cerb

This is town btw. Town frustration at having to provide a fucking "readslist" when you're NOT READY

i've experienced this many times. sometimes the players who are "asking for the readlist but not giving their own readslist" were scum.

I'm townreading RR right now.

[Sonic X]

That reminds me.
Fuzzy is a scum read too.

we can agree on that


farside, im reading RR as town right now. when im town I also hate to make a readslist when i haven't got enough info to make it good and sparkly yet. as scum I would just make 1 on the spot full of bullshit.



do you want to get fuzzy with me? think he is scum

[Sonic X]

Spoiler: :good: ISO

wow////
so much to chew on....

I want to vote Mastin bc she is Mastin ( and she played me several times before) but I think I wait.

Not sure why scum would claim stump.

Not sure that would help the scum team,,,than again its Mastin so I am not taking anything she says as truth without sound reason.
Not sure what to make out of Beers claims. This is def

weird

behavior.

also

not sure what to make out the mass claims

but hopefully it will be helpful in the long run

Beer is giving me twinges of Prof Maniac in the Jesus Christ mafia ( mini 1561) I played in. One head was logical and reasonable , the other head was playing some wierd game no one could quite understand. PM was town in that game. The last post from the beer hydra really is starting to make feel like beer is some

wierd..Jeckel and Hyde hydra

. Beer

could be scum

but I am starting to lean toward the notion one head is normal and the other head is off.

Mzybe I am being blind

but I dont see scum acting like .especially so early in the game

I cant tell

if Vezo going after Beer is bc he sees beer as scum or an easy lynch target. Also there was a game I played where there was a scum double voter though the second vote has hidden under a puesodonym by the mod. So yeah scum can be doubke voter but it seems likely Vezo is prob town .

RR- huh..what was the point of that besides to draw needless attention on yourself? Not a town move imho.

I like Skybirds response of why he/she is not jumping on the Beer wagon . I think she/he is being genuine. I didn't read anything in the comments that made me think that they were trying to needless avoid voting beer

Not sure what could make

of the cop directing.

I can see town doing this but I can also see scum

( especially a Godfather role ) also asking for that. For me personally this is null

here you go Varsoon

Why am I a scum read....oh wait I am Fuzzy I am almost always a scum read on day 1. Though I am really interested in what I said that pinged your scum bells/

The MMO I played was WOW but I gave that up bc I didn't want to waste money,,,,, The cost can add up

<3
You gotta post the stuff after the equal sign in the youtube link when using youtube tags~

if you are town knock it off dude... you going to get PL ......I will vote to policy lynch if I have to I want to try to lynch scum first but I will vote to PL you if you force my hand. Take a break , calm down and get back to scum hunting

Also give a yellow card to RB ...... both are ruining the game

Both RB and Ika needs to take a huge step back and calm down.....

if I had read the player list I would known that......

yeah ...hate to say it but Ika prob should be mod killed and Fro continue on ....... I not sure Ika is stable enough to continue. Seem like a complete melt down

bold/enlarged = my highlights

VOTE: fuzzylogic

[Sonic X]

ZZZX here. Got distracted by marathons but skimmed last pages and wtf ika.
At least I can ead his rage to know his allignment

[Sonic X]

lol, this is my first game with you and i want to engage with you

so i am paying attention to you more

also derp

my point still stands

[Sonic X]

ohhhh
then alliance with me <3

[Sonic X]

i want binssyyy

[Sonic X]

for entirely personal, out of game reasons

<3

[Sonic X]

nope, 100% real, desperate fluff

[Sonic X]

I didn't read yet cus freaking marathons (:D)
But I can say that I haven't seen ika rage like this as scum ever

Actually I haven't seen Ika rage as scum AT ALL.

So he got a good town read from me. I will read the reactions and perhaps I might get something. But I cant lose the 3 days of marathon!

[Sonic X]

Finished Sonic X ISOdive.
Hard to follow a linear progression through the whole thing, but I kind of expected that tbh. q.q
He talks about believing vezok's claims of Beer scumclaiming at the start, but then there's a lot more focus on trying to discredit Beer's arguments towards him vs discussing that afterwards which strikes me as weird. There's no followup to the discussion there.

I don't like Sonic asking Beer to provide empirical evidence as to whether overexplaining is a legitimate scumtell or not and then going on to say that Beer's arguments are all just him calling him bad at the game. That doesn't really seem to line up IMO.

I really hate the amount of effort he put into explaining his townlean on me.
I would literally be shocked if everything in #286 were thoughts that he'd had from reading me before. It feels a lot more like justification afterwards to try and satisfy me rather than just trying to explain the read.

@Sonic

, why did you put so much effort into explaining a townlean rather than just saying what you remembered about me being town or just saying that it was gut and calling it a day?
Also, why did you posture about lynching Ricastle before Beer when you were never even voting Ricastle?
Also also, why did you vote for Raging Bull? Talk about that.

The buddying on Bins is really really blatant and I have no idea what to make of it.

Sleeptimesnow.
BeerISODive will probably come Sunday if not tomorrow morning.

if i justified my townread on you as "you look townie" more people would be bitching


cant please everyone

[Sonic X]

ricastle did one very scummy thing (a more legit scumtell than cooldog's "oh you are directing night actions"), but most of his stuff otherwise would have been ok. i have a method for dealing with these kind of people

policy vote on raging bull

[Sonic X]

It feels a lot more like justification afterwards to try and satisfy me rather than just trying to explain the read.

yeah it is? weren't you looking for that? no?

you people are hard to please

[Sonic X]

i am trying to scumhunting in here

give me space, thanks in advvance

[Sonic X]

so mastina and farside's votes were forcibly "donated" to vezok and grapes

all in all it is balanced

[Sonic X]

do you want to ask me a question?

a

useful

question?

[Sonic X]

trench warfare is town

[Sonic X]

Sonic X, I know the Sonic head is usually a posting fiend. You seem very restrained so far this game. What's up with that?

Sonic did you answer this yet? I don't see a response in your ISO.

oh


that's wrong, i'm not a posting fiend

you were scumreading me for /not posting/ after i shot scum in SMITE ;-;

[Sonic X]

actually im wrong

im still a posting fiend

i have the most posts in the game

lol

[Sonic X]

Marquisa when I begin town reading you I'll hood with you ok sweet princess

[Sonic X]

lynch fuzzy pls he is scummy

[Sonic X]

By literally saying
It's not provoking a response

Is literally creating a response
I was trying to provoke

who were you talking to binsy boo?

[Sonic X]

Vezok, radmann is the lynch. Please vote him.

oh also this can be town. like. can really be town.

Funny cause I was about to vote him for that

Then I thought to myself "do I really want to be on a vanity wagon"

[Sonic X]

Rr is town btw.

[Sonic X]

it really isn't something scum says particularly for his scum-experience level
it's a town kind of gumption, confidence

I will think about this

Maybe I just don't like him. Hrm

[Sonic X]

btw I have never played with fuzzy before

What differentiates his town and scum game?

[Sonic X]

ok

Marquis is fucking TOWN

If anybody tries to give him shit I will kill you personally

I will stake my life on this

Fortunately no one is doing so at the mo



bae

[Sonic X]

What makes you think I'm weird and creepy??????

[Sonic X]

i think fuzzy is a better lynch than rad...

rad looks like a VI, i read his iso twice. doesnt seem to have scum motivation

[Sonic X]

What scum motivation do you see from fuzzy, then? I see mistakes and being unsure of reads. Is that scum motivation?

Being hedgey on reads, failing to commit anywhere, lazy lack of scumhunting, perfect for coasting. That's scum motivation.

[Sonic X]

shoot, as always im last to find a group

bins can i ally with you plz?

[Sonic X]

@farside : Wanna ally with me cause I'm getting bad vibes from sonic x?

zzzx inherently gives bad vvibes to anyone. this is probably the first and lasst time in hydraing with him. he isn't helping shit

[Sonic X]

how freaking weird.

dont we have to mutual ally in order to form a hood?


never mind

i'll hydra with another sweetie pie then. skybird?

[Sonic X]

I want to ally with bins but bins wants to maintain alliance chastity so I will ally with

Skybird


Marquis is next in queue

[Sonic X]

um what ok if it's crucial then I will swap you in

[Sonic X]

I'd like to apologize for everyone generally and to my partner metal mainly for not being here for most of this to help. I'd forgotten about many things and got busy with others games and real life for a while. I don't expect to be able to do much but getting a full readlist/thoughts and a catch up before the end of this day should be done most likely

-Z

[Sonic X]

VOTE: beer

[Sonic X]

in what order is the above readslist made?

[Sonic X]

as much as i like your read on me, i think your slot earlier wass haranguing me and calling me scum or something.

so is this an effect of hydra dissonance? or have you reconciled your differences?

[Sonic X]

can you make a scum ------> town line?

[Sonic X]

i mean

Town (Strongest read -> Weakest read):
Scum (Strongest read -> Weakest read):


or in your format of "good lynch, bad lynch", up to you. it would be good to view the strength of your reads in relativity

[Sonic X]

Gordovan doesn't really feel very strongly about your lynch anymore.

why not?

can you explain your hydra's thought process behind the change in read?

[Sonic X]

as in the events that led to Gordovan seeing the light

[Sonic X]

Also, Baccano mafia just ended. by any perchance, did my play there sneak into your read on me? or not?

it can be used as valid evidence *shrug*

[Sonic X]

hmm.

i agree with most of your reads

in particular this one:

CooLDoG:
CD is a cranky old man who just sort of sits in the corner and yells at everyone for mostly unintelligible reasons. I like it! I'm assuming he's town as a result.

are my thoughts exactly.


for one moment i thought that your hydra contains AngryPidgeon

thought im probably wrong

[Sonic X]

UNVOTE:

vezok what do you htink of this guy's readslist

[Sonic X]

VOTE: bull]

fuk ika

if beer is scum, he's probably bussing ika anyway

[Sonic X]

VOTE: beer

>neighbor is strongest townread
>not forthcoming with him

sold


@vezok why are you calling me scum?

[Sonic X]

You all forgot that a lynch didn't happen after bins "hammered"

Beer obviously isn't hated

Either that or Varsoon made a vc mistake

[Sonic X]

I received a clarification from Varsoon via pm. I was the one making the vc mistake. Derp

Ignore whatever I said

[Sonic X]

Why do you think I'm scum?

[Sonic X]

Oh, that flip flop of votes?

Yeah no

[Sonic X]

Do you like vanity wagons frogger? I am not a vain person unfortunately

[Sonic X]

I don't even know what a vanity wagon is. I've heard that term, but no clue what it means.

It means placing a vote on someone to create a wagon that has a <1% chance of happening and resulting in a lynch.

Basically, a 1 man wagon


Do you think your behavior is conducive to the game state?

[Sonic X]

Oh, that flip flop of votes?

Yeah no

Just go read RB's ISO. I've put plenty in there.

no you didn't

I see lots of stuff against Vezok and skybird though! Why don't you vote there? What is your rationale? You posted many paragraphs against Vezok in your most recent posts, isn't your vote "better served" there?

[Sonic X]

Ok this beer bastard is tough to read

I have doubts that he is scum but I also have doubts that he is town


Let's look a frogger

Tell me why your bullshit is town bullshit frogger. You get 2 chances

[Sonic X]

I already described why Z is playing to his scum meta. I made good points against sonic saying ika only rages as town, then policy lynching us anyway (why would he policy lynch a townie). Sonic is now playing to his scum meta too, but I couldn't say that at the time because it was ongoing together in BEES, which finished a few days ago.

Seriously...why would Sonic say ika only rages as town, then vote us almost immediately after?

umm, what? That doesn't make sense. How does that ascribe scum motivation to me?

1 chance left

[Sonic X]

What doesn't make sense.

You said ika only rages as scum. Then a few posts later you vote us.

Why?

Because I wanted him to stop anti town behavior.


The lurking scum argument is stronger than the "raging town" argument.

How does this explanation help you in determining my alignment?

[Sonic X]

The point is that I am scum because of that behavior right?

I would like you to explain why.

[Sonic X]

Why were you so worried about how you looked. You hadn't addressed that yet.

I needed more people to townread me so that more night actions can be used on me potentially.

What is the purpose of this question?

[Sonic X]

That is not town bullshit

I'm sad to say frogger, that you are scum

[Sonic X]

Is there enough time for me to get home and get a gif?

Shit, within 2 hours, guess not

[Sonic X]

by the 7 chaos emeralds

I demand divination destruction against the frog

[Sonic X]

hey motherfucker

Did you just fucking hammer?

Fuck

[Sonic X]

FUCK YOU

[Sonic X]

ugh fuck that

Metal Sonic replaces Sonic X

next time, vezok, i'm hydraing with you

[Sonic X]

Constantine why the fuck are you replacing into a shitton of games and then taking shits on them; playing worse than the predecessor and/or another average replacement? I find it remarkable.

[Sonic X]

Not remarkable, that has a positive connotation

"Commendable", or "notable"

[Sonic X]

What info? Tunnel and Constantine's roles are already fully revealed. I don't see how revealing flavour is beneficial to scum. I do see, however, how it is beneficial to town, at least possibly.

Despite us not seeing eye to eye most of the time, I agree with this sentiment.

Flavor will help us work with more info, rather than scum.

[Sonic X]

I think hermit said that he nuked it then later he decided "that's a bad idea" so now he will eat a bullet to the head for his sins.

Also, no fair I wanted to be dayvig. But I guess I got the next best alternative... That got suckered

[Sonic X]

Only people who are scum will find your reaction test funny.

Are you scum?

[Sonic X]

Take it from me, it was a fucking shitty idea. And it's not like you have the credibility to make it funny anyway. You've been pretty lackluster.

[Sonic X]

You know, it's like that situation where "this joke is funny if X says it, but if Y says it we should beat him up"

can you think of other jokes that fit this analogy?

[Sonic X]

good for you then.

[Sonic X]

Well you were clearly laughing your ass off.

[Sonic X]

Only people who are scum will find your reaction test funny.

Are you scum?

[Sonic X]

You know what, screw this, he's clearly trolling us. He can eat wgeurts bullet to the head and we continue lynching frogger

[Sonic X]

Z here. My vla ends in 1-2 days but damn I read through he game and this is interesting.

[Sonic X]

didn't i debunk your shitty "case" on me yesterday?


"oh yeah ika only rages as "town" why are you voting me lolol"

^zzzx said that; i don't agree, ergo i can vote you if i think you're scum

what case?

[Sonic X]

When I get mislynched,

you all better lynch Sonic/ZZZX because

his motivation/intention to reset the vote counter to gladiate me mere HOURS before deadline while he was voting Beer and Beer was at L-1

makes no fucking sense

. I explained this D1, but ZZZX ALWAYS uses stupid dismissive arguments as scum. In newbie 1609 he dismissed my preflip associations as BAD because they are always supposed to be bad (whatever, I called him and Marquis, the IC/SE scum team out and won the game based off those preflip associations). Now he dismissed Ricastle's PoE as dumb. This is his scum game people. It's sonic's too. He's trying to pretend he's frustrated by saying this game is bastard and all that shit.

wait, so you want to lynch me because i "make no fucking sense", not because "i am scummy"?

lol! this is a+ scumhunting folks.

you're not even trying

[Sonic X]

Sonic: please explain how you go from town reading frogger to scum reading him day 1

can you read the end of day 1?

also, where was i town reading frogger?

[Sonic X]

maybe i should ask you instead:

please explain how you go from town reading me to scum reading me day 1

[Sonic X]

how are they inconsistent?

the posts are 800 posts away, btw.

the only inconsistency is this: "You said ika only rages as scum. Then a few posts later you vote us."


The lurking scum argument is stronger than the "raging town" argument."

i didn't make a "raging town" argument. zzx said it. i just thought that I said it and i forgot.

[Sonic X]

maybe i should ask you instead:

please explain how you go from town reading me to scum reading me day 1

I think you saying you wanted to Gladiate at the last minute was scummy.
You then do it again today and I recall you got bent when I did a Gladiate in another game without discussion.
Finally vezo stated a scumread on you so I reread and noes you pushed beer as scum for long periods and then raging bull to fuzzy. To raging bull again.
Your anger at the hammer looks fake and a lot of the rage you displayed day 2 reads fake

your gladiate on the other game hit all 3 town. shame on you

[Sonic X]

Spoiler: quotes

You all forgot that a lynch didn't happen after bins "hammered"

Beer obviously isn't hated

Either that or Varsoon made a vc mistake

There's 9 votes on Beer and 11 to lynch.

Beer could still be hated.

VOTE: Sonic X

What was the vote here for?

You're telling me you voted him for your old reasons and just quoted that for fun?

Just don't let Bull slip away. Town can't win if obvious scum like that live until day 2.

I already described why Z is playing to his scum meta. I made good points against sonic saying ika only rages as town, then policy lynching us anyway (why would he policy lynch a townie). Sonic is now playing to his scum meta too, but I couldn't say that at the time because it was ongoing together in BEES, which finished a few days ago.

Seriously...why would Sonic say ika only rages as town, then vote us almost immediately after?

Let's look a frogger

Tell me why your bullshit is town bullshit frogger. You get 2 chances

What?

I already described why Z is playing to his scum meta. I made good points against sonic saying ika only rages as town, then policy lynching us anyway (why would he policy lynch a townie). Sonic is now playing to his scum meta too, but I couldn't say that at the time because it was ongoing together in BEES, which finished a few days ago.

Seriously...why would Sonic say ika only rages as town, then vote us almost immediately after?

umm, what? That doesn't make sense. How does that ascribe scum motivation to me?

1 chance left

What doesn't make sense.

You said ika only rages as scum. Then a few posts later you vote us.

Why?

as town

What doesn't make sense.

You said ika only rages as scum. Then a few posts later you vote us.

Why?

Because I wanted him to stop anti town behavior.


The lurking scum argument is stronger than the "raging town" argument.

How does this explanation help you in determining my alignment?

Or before. Whatever.

The point is you voted us while ika was raging, and if you have only seen him rage as town, why did you vote him in the process of raging.

Why were you so worried about how you looked. You hadn't addressed that yet.

The point is that I am scum because of that behavior right?

I would like you to explain why.

Why were you so worried about how you looked. You hadn't addressed that yet.

I needed more people to townread me so that more night actions can be used on me potentially.

What is the purpose of this question?

FFS here you go Sonic

Spoiler: Sonic X

Finished Sonic X ISOdive.
Hard to follow a linear progression through the whole thing, but I kind of expected that tbh. q.q
He talks about believing vezok's claims of Beer scumclaiming at the start, but then there's a lot more focus on trying to discredit Beer's arguments towards him vs discussing that afterwards which strikes me as weird. There's no followup to the discussion there.

I don't like Sonic asking Beer to provide empirical evidence as to whether overexplaining is a legitimate scumtell or not and then going on to say that Beer's arguments are all just him calling him bad at the game. That doesn't really seem to line up IMO.

I really hate the amount of effort he put into explaining his townlean on me.
I would literally be shocked if everything in #286 were thoughts that he'd had from reading me before. It feels a lot more like justification afterwards to try and satisfy me rather than just trying to explain the read.

@Sonic

, why did you put so much effort into explaining a townlean rather than just saying what you remembered about me being town or just saying that it was gut and calling it a day?
Also, why did you posture about lynching Ricastle before Beer when you were never even voting Ricastle?
Also also, why did you vote for Raging Bull? Talk about that.

The buddying on Bins is really really blatant and I have no idea what to make of it.

Sleeptimesnow.
BeerISODive will probably come Sunday if not tomorrow morning.

if i justified my townread on you as "you look townie" more people would be bitching


cant please everyone

Why are you trying to please everyone? The Sonic I've known so far isn't worried about that.

Spoiler: Sonic X 2

ricastle did one very scummy thing (a more legit scumtell than cooldog's "oh you are directing night actions"), but most of his stuff otherwise would have been ok. i have a method for dealing with these kind of people

policy vote on raging bull

Ricastle is town. If you think ika only rages as town, why policy lynch our slot? Wouldn't a better thing to do be to ignore it or request we replace out and find scum instead?

Spoiler: Sonic X 3

It feels a lot more like justification afterwards to try and satisfy me rather than just trying to explain the read.

yeah it is? weren't you looking for that? no?

you people are hard to please

Still trying to please people?

Spoiler: Sonic X 4

i am trying to scumhunting in here

give me space, thanks in advvance

Then scumhunt! Stop worrying about your appearance.

That is not town bullshit

I'm sad to say frogger, that you are scum

[Sonic X]

he is scummy

[Sonic X]

someone else should make the case for me because im bad at making cases.

oh wait, beer already made one. why dont you go read it then sheep me on frogger scum

[Sonic X]

Only people who are scum will find your [actions] funny.

^Basically, that.

It was borderline gamethrowing off of your whims. Even if that neighborhood has so much as one scum in it, it's doing a darn good job of being pro-town and we'd be able to maximize its utility--and that'd be under the assumption of a scum being present, when it is infinitely more likely that the neighborhood is made up of all town. So nuking it, off of stupid suspicion without any consultation whatsoever, is stupider than hipgunning a shot trying to be a hero vig. (Hint: 95% of hero-vigs are zero-vigs. That is, vigs who hit 0% scum. You are never the 5%.)

Sonic: why is frogger scum?

Because he looks like scum and is acting like scum.

Having the ability to move someone's vote when you are aligned is neutral in nature. Telling everyone about it is town IMO.

No, telling everyone about it is equally null, because it is self-evident. Not telling would be a condemnation because it'd be pathetically easy to figure out. The only way scum could use hiding it to their advantage is to have Frogger not vote at all until someone's at L-2 and spring a surprise-hammer...which would earn Frogger a condemnation the next day. Ergo, Frogger MUST tell us about it, or be condemned for not doing so.

Also, any SMITE survivor should know better than to make assumptions like this. *coughcoughIwasSOrightaboutacebeingscumcoughcough*

Do you really want to talk about SMITE? *coughcoughYouwereSOwrongaboutDrixxbeing3rdpartywhocouldwinwithtowncoughcough*

As Frogger already mentioned, he could have avoided being in a fusion/alliance to keep it hidden.

Speaking of alliances, who didn't join one?

lol.

skybird is awesome.

but yeah, thanks mastina.


cooldog i hate your waffle here. frogger is obvscum but it almost looks as if you are afraid of lynching him. why?

[Sonic X]

So you agreed with Beer D1, yet voted him and stayed on him through lynch?

of course i agree with beer when he flips town! after all he is confirmed town

i wonder why your only point against me is keeping my vote on beer. if i gladiated you and you were not a scumbag ascetic, i would have achieved my objective. why was an "unvote" necessary?

you don't have any case against me. you are just asking dumb questions which... at the end of the day, is at BEST a null tell

[Sonic X]

also did constantine not die or something? is he day-bulletproof? because this is getting borderline bullshit

[Sonic X]

What are your thoughts on hermit? Since you didn't kill him

[Sonic X]

oh. thats the keyword to activate the light cannon. no wonder it sounded familiar, vezok linked me this in http://steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/Quartizine_Trio when he was asking me about my claim

how coincidental.

[Sonic X]

i think you fell for it again wgeurts

[Sonic X]

technically, if ricastle's dayvig was real, he'd be "conftown" in my eyes

but.. *shrug*

[Sonic X]

good.

because when i saw this it looked like you peed your pants:

I haven't used any dayvigs so far, also.
No gambits.
Just you being an idiot.
I'm gonna laugh post-game.

[Sonic X]

scum must be fucking overpowered.

[Sonic X]

wgeurts, you should dayvig your top scum read right now in the rare event that you are shot for real, and dayvigs resolve at the same time.

are you still scumreading hermit? im confused.

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-Z here. Catch up begins now. It might take a while considering 60+ pages I missed but I believe with comparing my reads to sonics I can catch scum hopefully

-Z

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well, to be fair, in the last game, where i was n1 sniper, i *should* have shot the counter dayvig

@drixx

[Sonic X]

i know its you cerb.

get drixx to explain that inside joke.

[Sonic X]

you can't pm your action to the mod?

[Sonic X]

*shrugs*

different role, different conditions then

[Sonic X]

oh yeah by the way


based on his crumbs, ricastle probably isnt joking anymore

oops

[Sonic X]

i know that varsoon isnt online because i sent him a pm, but based on his activity level, he will pop up soon.

wgeurts, tell us what you think about the game before you die. thank you.

[Sonic X]

if ricastle really is a real dayvig,

i would just like to say:

lol

daykill:ricastle

Good one.

[Sonic X]

if he just copied the flavor from the quartizine trio that vezok linked, and fooled us all,

then

i'd be really impressed

and ricastle will move from my shitlist to my good list

[Sonic X]

fooled us all,

well technically just fooling me only

[Sonic X]

it is pretty long. just players i enjoy playing with ^^

[Sonic X]

"

With great power comes great responsibility

" - Peter Parker

[Sonic X]

Ok when we are done mourning for the mayor can we get back to lynching the frog?


We can also go bear hunting, screw that bear

[Sonic X]

VOTE: frogger

[Sonic X]

Ricastle is highly unlikely to be scum

[Sonic X]

Just, listen to me next time, and shoot who I tell you to. That way you don't get blamed for the decision.

[Sonic X]

just don't do it again >_>

[Sonic X]

How many more shots do you have?

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holy shit grapes.... Your avatar.... It's GORGEOUS!!

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too many walls folks, I'll read them later when I'm more motivated

[Sonic X]

I'm just really demotivated at the moment. Too many walls, not enough people wanting to lynch frogger. Beer's last words was to lynch frogger. We should do that.

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Zzzx still missing seriously

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Oh, by the way Far, thanks for reminding me that Sonic is scummy as shit. I almost forgot he existed!

Yeah well maybe you should have shot me. At least some people are suspecting me and stuff

[Sonic X]

Yeah still target me with night actions and stuff. If you don't know who to target just target me yolo


I'm other

[Sonic X]

He fucking wasted my gladiator with his unclaimed ascetic. Why should he not be an option for today? Jfc

Ugh, I am down for lyching fuzzy

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when frogger flips scum then I will blame you all for being stupid

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Yeah still target me with night actions and stuff. If you don't know who to target just target me yolo

Does one of your abilities concern being targeted? Because if not this is just antitown.

Yes, duh. I thought that was obviously implied. Do you have like only 1 ability or something? Because all the flipped town have at least three. -___-

@skybird I am scumreading him because frogger is playing to his scum meta. Ika was playing to his scum meta but he got kicked out or something. And dead town wanted him lynched. Him having a power to eat gladiators only proves the point. If I was a dayvig (thanks, Ricastle) I would shoot him. I already used a gladiator and it didn't work. You know how good I am with dayvigs.

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Yeah still target me with night actions and stuff. If you don't know who to target just target me yolo

Does one of your abilities concern being targeted? Because if not this is just antitown.

Yes, duh. I thought that was obviously implied. Do you have like only 1 ability or something? Because all the flipped town have at least three. -___-

@skybird I am scumreading him because frogger is playing to his scum meta. Ika was playing to his scum meta but he got kicked out or something. And dead town wanted him lynched. Him having a power to eat gladiators only proves the point. If I was a dayvig (thanks, Ricastle) I would shoot him. I already used a gladiator and it didn't work. You know how good I am with dayvigs.

How is frogger playing to his scum meta?

He will get dodgy and nervous under pressure. I can see it in his posts. Look at the end of day 1 when I was arguing with him.

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Then he will potshot with dumb shit like the above above post

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And farside, many more arguments have been made by other players for why he is scum. Listen to mastin and Vezokpiraka. Normally you shouldn't listen to Mastina but this time she's right.

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Also, except for responding to a question about his character race ("other"), none of sonic's posts since his return last page have either advanced the game or shown any evolution in his thought process.

pedit: bullshit sonic, and you know it

Don't give me that bullshit. That's null.

People refuse to lynch scum. That's why they need to give me dayvigs and not Ricastle.

I got a 2nd grade dayvig which is a gladiator and it failed.

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You're still the 3rd largest wagon. I will push you so that you can be lynches today.

Also, I just saw your frog mafia ad. Really cool that you're modding now <3

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Then he will potshot with dumb shit like the above above post

lol, I was just about to ask that.

I've rolled scum once, and it was with sonic. So he's obviously lying because he knows my scum meta.

I also like how sonic doesn't post for 2.5 days, then as soon as maxwell says where's sonic, BOOM, he pops up 4 minutes later.

That's not even a potshot. That's me saying you are lying because you are, and stating another fact of the game.

I took only ONE potshot in my scum game and that was because I felt like Tammy was holding my brother (Glork) up to some ungodly expecations because of his past scumhunting awesomeness, and glork doesn't want to tryhard like he did in the past, and it made the game no fun for Glork and he replaced out (that and the modding snafu that screwed our plan). I would have taken that potshot in defense of my brother as town or as scum.

I think our definitions of pot shot differ. I consider a potshot as "any attack on a player to cause them to look scummy for invalid reasons". Adapted from Mollie.

@skybird then who do you suggest to lynch then? By your standards you should have a strong case on that person right? So show us a better suggestion with a "strong case".

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Ricastle stop being shit at this game. Every time you test my patience. Go reflect on your scumhunting ability

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Farside, yes, I'll push grapes with you at some point because I need to finish sorting her. What do you think about Hermit wanting Cerberus/Reasonably Rational to hammer him?

Not sure. It bothers me if he's hinting about something in regards to the hammer.
I thought that he believed he was going to be shot and chose not to leave his pt was town.

Yeah still target me with night actions and stuff. If you don't know who to target just target me yolo

Does one of your abilities concern being targeted? Because if not this is just antitown.

Yes, duh. I thought that was obviously implied. Do you have like only 1 ability or something? Because all the flipped town have at least three. -___-

@skybird I am scumreading him because frogger is playing to his scum meta. Ika was playing to his scum meta but he got kicked out or something. And dead town wanted him lynched. Him having a power to eat gladiators only proves the point. If I was a dayvig (thanks, Ricastle) I would shoot him. I already used a gladiator and it didn't work. You know how good I am with dayvigs.

How is frogger playing to his scum meta?

He will get dodgy and nervous under pressure. I can see it in his posts. Look at the end of day 1 when I was arguing with him.

That's pretty weak. I've seen town and scum behavior that way.

Also, except for responding to a question about his character race ("other"), none of sonic's posts since his return last page have either advanced the game or shown any evolution in his thought process.

pedit: bullshit sonic, and you know it

Agreed. I think sonic is pushing some weak sauce reason there.

I went through Mastin's ISO and I don't see a strong case against Frog.

She first votes him in post 1736 after he admits he's ascetic. She brought up a micro game in post 1615 where a gladiator was town and ascetic was scum. That appears to be the reason for her vote. She disagrees with Farside that Frogger seems pretty relaxed in his argument with Sonic in post 1742. Later she talks about Frogger's vote claim as a null tell not a town tell. Then in post 2098, she thinks post 2031 by Frogger looks like a potential scum slip.

So that's the sum of Mastin's case on Frogger. She brings up a prior game where ascetic was scum and thinks he might have scum slipped in one post.

Now on to Vezok.

He votes Frogger in post 1664 and says he agrees with Sonic. In post 1677 he doesn't like Frog's character claim. He accepts Sonic's claim of light prism but doesn't accept that Frog is Rose Quartz. In post 1698 Vezok adds that he thought Frogger's opening posts on D2 were horrible.

The way I read it Vezok's main issue is he thinks Rose Quartz can't be a real claim and therefore Frogger is scum. All in all Sonic I'm not seeing a strong case from either of them.

Don't forget beer. He's confirmed town, mind you.

Man, so many obvtown players saying the same thing! Surely they're wrong and you're right!!

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I am beginning to think that skybird is scum, she would trust my powers if she was town. She might be scum with frogger. I am very annoyed now.

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RR written a post about how Constantine is not scum. What do you think about that?

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RR written a post about how Constantine is not scum. What do you think about that?

Titus, this should also apply to you then.


@Maxwell, I will easily compromise on Fuzzy, while only relenting to vote Constantine/NicCage if the situation is dire.

That means I am scumreading Fuzzy as well, and Constantine and NicCage are two players I would have no problem seeing dead but not explicitly scumreading.

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Nic is town. This is coming from his Ally.

how interesting. so frogger is bullshitting then. and i am town then.

cool

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Ricastle, is this coming from stuff in your PT?

Yes, it was implied.

how interesting. so frogger is bullshitting then. and i am town then.

cool

Seriously? "Oh, I guess I

am

town! Great!"

I was about to move my vote as well.

you read that wrong

"Oh, I guess you are finally reading me as town! Great!"

looks like i guessed wrong though.

[Sonic X]

"And you realise that Frogger is bullshitting! Great Great!"


I was about to compliment you as well.

[Sonic X]

Varsoon, VC please

[Sonic X]

Well looks like I won't get my frogger wagon


Mastina do you get your vote back tomorrow? Help me with it.


For now, VOTE: hermit I think hermit is worse than replace in