SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[theaceofspades]

apologies folks. i had some stuff. I'm on page 10. ans will post more fully later.

mostly pissing contest between solar wind and imperium.

As for the skim i've done on neighborhoods. I do have to say they help me. If only by limiting the information i get, and not spinning my head around freakishly.

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Ok i'm here. Finished reading too. Just dumping my thoughts.

First, to xombie's and someone else who i can't remember thing about neighborhoods. Yes plural. This isn't a new mechanic is it? Been done before. Don't think so. Yes they (plural) help me.

MS is pretty much almost obvitown. Idk much about him though.

Bitmap Rach Ihouse imp and solar wind are also fairly strong townreads.

xombie i'm reserving judgement on.

Everyone else is almost as lurky as me. Except in a few cases

Read vezok ISO. Strong townread.

I'll iso the other guys in a moment too

[theaceofspades]

I got prodded.

I don't really know waht to do. I feel overwhelmed with all this.

All i can really say now is that i'm adding fourtrouble to my townread list.


And i'm really not a fan of AP right now (sorry friend. i like you)

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i get snippy. i'm a snippy person. I felt it was a bit of a reach. Yes plural.

and i been busy. so i haven't posted, hopefully i can fix that.

idk what "you have people talking about AP " but for me it was mostly about 1058. Plus i totally disagree with his reads on farside and MS. And i don't really see how he could have those opinions

[theaceofspades]

yes plural. This is not the first game to have neighborhoods. How bout this. The CONCEPT of neighborhoods is helpful. Deal?

also, to farsides newb/notnewb. I don't read join dates. And i don't pay enough attention to know who's who. Also don't read meta. Each game is a beautiful new baby. Plus, my hateful nature plays no favorites.

I linked one post, but i mentioned two other things. i think that 3 things is plenty. Especially considering you voted me with that many posts.

Pedit. Blonde. Don't do that.

[theaceofspades]

Oh I'm sorry I didn't know that the fact that you, ace, had only 3 fucking post goal where ap had more. -sarcasm-

Idk what this means. I honestly cannot figure out even an inkling of what you're trying to convey.

i get snippy. i'm a snippy person. I felt it was a bit of a reach. Yes plural.

and i been busy. so i haven't posted, hopefully i can fix that.

idk what "you have people talking about AP " but for me it was mostly about 1058. Plus i totally disagree with his reads on farside and MS. And i don't really see how he could have those opinions

Let's talk about your issues with ap for a moment.
What about post 1058 bothers you.
The farside comment has been said to death so I'm taking that out. As for ms, why does it bother you?

Because i don't see MS as scum at all. He's among my strongest townreads. And a scumread on him is a reach imo. Sometimes when i disagree, i can understand why someone would think something, even if i don't. IN this case, i don't see how he could even entertain MS being scum when he looks so town to me. The same true of farside. "taking it out" idk what that means. You either want my read or don't.

1058 bothers me because swearing suddenly, calling yourself a mislynch and not addressing a read on yourself other than to say it's bad together don't seem townie.

1114 implies lack of reading/attention paid to the game, while looking at something specifically that takes an awful lot of reading/attention to find. "I don't see how he can have those opinions," in conjunction with low attention paid, is a scum claim.

This is nonsense. If i wasn't paying attention it doesn't matter my alignment. I wouldn't have found it either way according to you. If i was scum, that doesn't mean i have magic powers to know obscure things without paying attention. Nor more would i know if i was town.

Not paying attention also doesn't predict what i do or do not know. It only predicts that you can't be sure what i have noticed and what i haven't. Where did i skim and where didn't I? I'll just say that i have read every word of the thread once. Some more than once. Some left more of an impression than others. I don't think that's a radical statement.

I'll do this now. Cause i thought I already did

VOTE: AP

[theaceofspades]

Vote Tiphaine

I'm gonna give Ceph a chance to catch up, but I'm pretty sure he's scum.

Your case on Mantis was coming in voting someone and splitting? She was then replaced by Cephir so whats up with this read?

Ok i'm here. Finished reading too. Just dumping my thoughts.

First, to xombie's and someone else who i can't remember thing about neighborhoods.

Yes plural. This isn't a new mechanic is it? Been done before. Don't think so. Yes they (plural) help me.

MS is pretty much almost obvitown. Idk much about him though.

Bitmap Rach Ihouse imp and solar wind are also fairly strong townreads.

xombie i'm reserving judgement on.

Everyone else is almost as lurky as me. Except in a few cases

Read vezok ISO. Strong townread.

I'll iso the other guys in a moment too

How can you be in more than ONE neighborhood? Sounds like a scum slip to me.

Eh what? Everyone is lurking including me except for those who are not lurking?

VOTE: Ace dude

First concern has been addressed. Multiple times, by multiple people. Apparently you haven't noticed. But either way i'm not answering it again.

Second concern.....makes no sense.

[theaceofspades]

TheAceofSpades - Have you played with MetalSonic before? in post 1280 you have MS as one of your strongest town reads? I don't read him that way at all and wonder what you are seeing that I am not.

I have. lemme look

[theaceofspades]

cutthroat kitchen and robbery at the casino are the games i played with him. Granted one was a hydra

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cutthroat kitchen and robbery at the casino are the games i played with him. Granted one was a hydra

Not everyone has played with ms.
Just saying.

I'm going to at least try to read what's happened, but in reality, it's gonna be a very rough skim.

Anyone want give me a summery?

Vote ace.


Sky has changed my view already.

so? i never said everyone had. I seriously have no idea what your case is. other than "you expressed suspicion of AP and so did other people"

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oh and it apears i'm the only one who has a strong townread on MS. So i suppose AP isn't the only one.

He was scumhunting, effectively and consistently. He was doing a good job being town.

Idk what else i can say other than he's acting like a townie. I'd rather not give a list of town posts, makes them imitatable. I prefer to point out scummy ones.

I'm not going to unvote AP. Because i don't really have much of a scumread on anyone else.

I"m going to read mastin's iso and anaka's. Cause i remember not liking the insisting "i'm town" posts from mastin, so i'll look at what came after.

[theaceofspades]

Here are the post I have in regards to why ace is scum.
started here
what I noted about his play
issues summorized

I agree with your description of Ace's play but it feels more like you describing sub-optimal town play than scum play.

How is that town play at all? I see more often scum skating by then town.

how is it scum play at all?

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oh and first thing from mastin's iso. the whole "scumhunting goddess thing" just made sense to me. It's SMITE. Gods and goddesses. durrrrr.

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Ace (My vote stays HERE)
Everyone is lurking except for a few cases. Umm what? Seriously whining about lurking but not pushing activity gets you mucho scum points dude. Not to mention the lack of logic and IIoA in that statement. Plus I hate everyone and I do not do meta or any other things that help with scum hunting just does not help. It is DAY ONE dude there is not a heck of a lot to go on or analyze unless you look at meta, how much experience players have etc. ESPECIALLY when so many are lurking.

Pretty sure that those who are out of the game, one is scum and the other is town. Though there is the possibility they are working together and came up with a scheme to prevent them from getting lynched.

Sorry for the wall but there ya go my reads meh as they are.

yes except in a few cases. That's what an exception is. And as you're quoted saying seconds later "so many lurking" so it's not like you even disagree with the assesment. I never said i hate everyone, idk what that's even refering to. So "lack of logic" indeed.

And i don't use meta. it doesn't help me. I'm sorry if you disagree. But i don't use it. That's not a scumtell. It's a fact. I don't use meta. no matter who i am.

"there's not a heck of a lot to go on (on day one)"
then practice what you preach and read my fucking meta. And you'll see that i DON'T USE IT!!! I honestly don't even understand what your case is anymore. And i wrote something very rude after this. But i think i'm being stupid and getting angry. So i'm done for now.

[theaceofspades]

i did mention lurking. I said something like "everyone is as lurky at me with a few exceptions" or something like that. Was like my second post.

the hate part i'm unsure of. Though currently i do hate everyone. Should be better in the morning.

[theaceofspades]

you guys post too much. on page 89. Would vote mastin or beast or stay on AP now. Will read isos for reasons once i finish the thread.

[theaceofspades]

i'm here. what's cracking? i'd still lynch mastin

[theaceofspades]

and AP too.

[theaceofspades]

mastin for the following reasons.

I'm starting to always scumread unprompted insistent townclaim. It's starting to bother me because i dont see from town very often. His naked vote on me. The repeated "i have no investment in content or this game" all of these things give me scumvibes. I've gotten bored with AP because he hasnt posted. But what i said at the time still holds true. So i'm still down with lynching him.

And if it's needed at deadline, i can doublevote him

P-edit: i did do that. But today i had a date. and i was more interested in that then you people So i didn't have posted yet.

[theaceofspades]

I town claim all the time as town!

I get that you have other interests, but I've been arguing against your lynch and I feel squicky when that person doesn't show a presence.

Will your double vote count in the vote counts?

no idea. haven't tried it

the language specifically was "your vote will count as two"

[theaceofspades]

oh and sorry you feel that way. The point was i wasn't here.

P-edit. I didn't think he was very scummy when i read his

[theaceofspades]

that was horrible.

I didn't think ank was very scummy when i read his iso

[theaceofspades]

clarity! i target a person. then my vote counts at 2 against them. so i have to activate it.

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idk what to do

[theaceofspades]

so if AP flips scum does that mean mastin's scum too?

[theaceofspades]

well i said i thought so. But it's more confirmed if that happens imo

[theaceofspades]

i'm thinking i should double vote

[theaceofspades]

vote AP that's how.

[theaceofspades]

<== prefers kittens

[theaceofspades]

L-1 i activated

[theaceofspades]

wait.....was that it?

[theaceofspades]

i'd still like to lynch mastin

VOTE: mastin

i kinda thought that was the plan after an AP evil flip? and it looks more SK-y than survivor to me. I call it scum. Because evil.

I'm also now townreading heartless. because hydras are always town.

TD is now suspicious. will read his iso

[theaceofspades]

great reasoning guys!

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@AceofSpades:

Why did you vote mastin (whom TiphaineDeath is voting) while at the same time saying that you thought TiphaineDeath was suspicious?

Walk me through your thought process here.

because mastin is more suscpiciouser than TD. And i haven't read TD's iso yet.

[theaceofspades]

aceofspades - How did you get that second vote yesterday? Is it something you can do every day?

i got it cause it was in my role PM. and yes i can. woo

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i'm concerned still about mastin mainly because of the end of yesterday his trying to keep AP from being lynched. So certain and in the end so wrong

Idk why he would be so certain that AP was town, especially when he wasn't. And then calling him a survivor rather than the much better description of SK makes it look like he's trying to cover his ass after the fact. Idk why he wouldn't want AP to be not lynched if they weren't buddies.

My theory then is that scum mastin trys to keep AP alive as major buddying of someone he thinks is town get's an ally and creates a fake town block with himself. The shock of him not being town nearly kills mastin. Early morning scrambling, and now it's blown over. This is why i vote him now

[theaceofspades]

well. idk anything about anybody. i guess that's a simpler explanation

UNVOTE:

[theaceofspades]

i have to say "leaving" is probably my least favorite word in the english dictionary. tammy leaving is making me sad and i don't even know her. xombie replacing made me sad for no reason either.

don't leave guys. leaving sucks

[theaceofspades]

the argument is dumb because mastin is wrong. And flagrantly so

[theaceofspades]

i'd like to know why our neighborhood is so important. There was only three of us. And something mask mentioned makes me think it's unlikely that it would be and SK with mafia in the same hood.

I'm calling mask town for that. Actually pretty much conftown when i think about it. I'm happy with that. 4 unassailable town in SW MS imp and mask

[theaceofspades]

Some wagon thoughts:

TheAceofspades (3): Xombie, Ooba, vezokpiraka
Skybird (3): Mastin2, Cephrir, Heartless
RachMarie (2): Bitmap, Farside22

- I like the ace wagon because all the people on it right now are town
- Cephrir's position on the Skybird wagon and Bitmap's presence on the Rach wagon does not inspire confidence

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Looking at Pere, he votes ace for being the biggest wagon. But when he hops off, it is still the biggest wagon.

Tired so going to bed now, but biggest wagon + less posts than me=

Vote: AceofSpades

Vote: RachMarie

Counterwagon ho!!

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Also, ace's gameplay is akin to survialist scum who just wants to survive. He lurked out his wagon and mysteriously appeared near deadline.

idk what to do

I thought you had it down pat. Lurk when there's a wagon on you and suddenly appear when it died down.

Also, I think town might have responded to this post instead of letting it go in a lot of cases - 'You're wrong', 'Fuck you'. Same behaviour shows up when voted early D2 - 'great cases' response appears to come from a scum mindset than a town one.

ace is scum and should be lynched today.

Associative tells:
- mastin who creates an entire post about wagons - mentions how theace wagon could be scum on scum, and keeps mentioning ace multiple times - but actually votes Skybird.
- Also, ace's entire mastin case and push reads like a newbie bus.

Anyway, not sure of the pairing that much - but ace needs to be the one to go.

prod received and i still have 10 pages but. the part about reactions....that makes 0 sense. In once case i respond to nonsense and in another i don't. Both are clearly scumtells. dafuq? i'm going back to ignoring you. Was much more pleasant.

MS? Why?

[theaceofspades]

sick. not posting today

[theaceofspades]

i lied. I feel okay now

VOTE: beast

[theaceofspades]

i do wonder why people are voting beast/ozgin. I just read his iso. And he spent half the game dealing with house accusing him of being a scummy vote nullifier. He's been on the defensive for a while. and then was pushing skybird for a while.

That's pretty much it. I don't see that as sccummy. In fact his "i don't get it, this is messed up" defense looked pretty towny to me. Ozgin's posts have been pretty town too. I'd lynch TD first

[theaceofspades]

i do wonder why people are voting beast/ozgin. I just read his iso. And he spent half the game dealing with house accusing him of being a scummy vote nullifier. He's been on the defensive for a while. and then was pushing skybird for a while.

That's pretty much it. I don't see that as sccummy. In fact his "i don't get it, this is messed up" defense looked pretty towny to me. Ozgin's posts have been pretty town too. I'd lynch TD first

So why were you voting him in the first place? And why are you still voting him if you think he's town?

You'd lynch TD while keeping your vote on beast...

Why TD? Why TD

first

?

? i'm voting TD. idk why your problem is. I never thought beast was scum. Convince me that he is and maybe i'll vote that way. but i don't feel it right now

[theaceofspades]

his read changes? he's only been here one day. how can his reads change?

[theaceofspades]

i think little. hes a replacement he's reading. Has initial impressions that can change.

Nothing exciting. Posts are townie.

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......
derp. idk why i did that. I never meant to.

UNVOTE:

and it's town because it's not scum. So i suppose it's null. But changing your mind isn't scummy. And is a reasonable expectation from a replacement who's catching up. Views change an evolve.

[theaceofspades]

mistakes=scummy. thanks ooba

[theaceofspades]

VOTE: TD

[theaceofspades]

I actually HAVE played with TheAceOfSpades: Micro 89: Mafia Rarefaction Segunda. I completely forgot!

;-;

SW. please don't remind me of things like this.
I'm older now.

[theaceofspades]

Not sure. I haven't really thought about a lot of reads. D1, a large part of my townread was on how the wagon on him built and he kept being pushed for bad reasons. I need to re-evaluate him based on how the AP wagon went through as opposed to his when AP is in general the more persuasive player.

Most of his posts feel fairly null. What are your thoughts on him at the moment?

I also need to take a look at D1 Ace again. What's bothering me are his recent posts, especially his defense of beast/Oz, which looks entirely fake. Also, the weird unvote and then revote doesn't sit right. It doesn't look like he's trying to figure out alignments between either of Today's options.

it wasn't an unvote revote. It was what i wanted my vote to be in the first place. But i was talking about beast in the neighborhood and he was on my mind etc so i put him down instead. Accident.

[theaceofspades]

there are forces at play you cannot begin to understand!

[theaceofspades]

not understanding

[theaceofspades]

fu then. i've got things to do

[theaceofspades]

i know we can't do anything. But solar wind's last couple pages give me the willies

[theaceofspades]

why are you so hateful heart guys?

[theaceofspades]

i think i can breath now.

[theaceofspades]

i disagree that self preservation is scummy inherently. nor does four troubles actions seem that way

[theaceofspades]

i was talking about FT mostly

[theaceofspades]

i'd rather lynch somebody than nobody. No lynches do nothing but give scum another night to choose their kill without any retribution.

It's kicking a decision down the road for no purpose. It's like politics, but less nasty. Kick it down the line to your successor, not your problem.

I'd rather lynch any of the 3 up there then no lynch. No lynch is bad mmkay

[theaceofspades]

ozgin was town. This is what validation feels like

[theaceofspades]

VOTE: mastin2

[theaceofspades]

VOTE: mastin2

this vote is scummy

how is it scummy? i called mastin scum 100 years ago. Nothing else is really grabbing my attention. Back to that.

[theaceofspades]

secconded

[theaceofspades]

can we lynch mastin?

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i agree with vezok. hell hath frozen