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Abomination is gonna suck >.<
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Xof you didn't react to my vote
VOTE: Mastin
You seem giddy and I recall your giddiness being related to scum. Or
VOTE: Always if that's the hydra. Anyway you guys can trust me on reading Mastin. The last tubes we've played she was scum both, called me scum as town, and I read her correctly. I got this. Mastin why the 'I wanna be scum. Damn I'm town' act?
I'm actually ok with abomination right now. Policy lynches are stupid and it hasn't done anything bad yet to warrant any serious consideration. I find anyone advocating 'because it's really big, guys' to be suspect. Just chill and see what it will do.
Xof I've never seen you play. You seem a little jumpy. Why?
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Star Wars doesn't count. I was killed night one. ._.
Also I'm good at scum hunting. I promise <3
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Wait but we don't know for sure there are multiple factions do we?
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The only role that would say multifactions is scum, xof. What comments did I miss?
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Your posts just don't read as much of the chill xof I'm used to. You seem more nervous and unsure. Like, ready to leap on people questioning you. I'm thinking about it.
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I find all the BIG HYDRA ANTI TOWN FOR EXISTING is hilarious when all the people complaining are advocating a glorified policy lunch as though it's more protown.
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Mastin you are vastly overestimating my play. Everyone knows I'm shit town.
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Mastin I think you're a bullheaded, self righteous ass and you give yourself and receive from others way more credit than you deserve in scum hunting and mafia theory, which pisses me off because I have just as valid views that no one listens too.
That being said xof likes you and as I interact with her on a daily basis, I'm very much trying to be civil. Plus if like to not go frothing at mouth anger in this game since last game I had with clubhouse people I bitched out candi and felt like shit. Xof, klick, and kdowns are here and cephrawr is modding. I'm on good behavior. Don't push it
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I know people listen to you Mastin. However I vehemently disagree with many of your theory and positions, and feel that they harm the meta. Hell last newbie game I was in you strategically lurked as scum. I'm aware a lot of people go to you. That doesn't make you a strong player or reliable source.
Also how the fuck did you get me needing help from that post? I was simply saying I have opinions no one listens to on mafia theory. Frankly I think I'm probably a stronger player than you from a pure theoretical standpoint. No one listens to me, though, so I'm a really shitty player.
And yeah. I've maybe twice gotten huffy and angry at the mention of your name and she internet slaps me, not having any of that. That's why I'm trying to civilly explain this. How's it working?ShowSeven Deadly Sins. Six thrilling chapters. One epic adventure.
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Wait fuck I misread your post.
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Her, ActionDan.ShowSeven Deadly Sins. Six thrilling chapters. One epic adventure.
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When I had trouble both my my real life trans friend and with Mastin, it helped to only refer to them by name until I got the change ingrained in my mind. I mean not to be a dick, but it's been awhile and I do somewhat understand how frustrating misgendering is for a person.ShowSeven Deadly Sins. Six thrilling chapters. One epic adventure.
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(Neither do I. People like it when you quote stuff and make thoughts though, or so I hear. I personally just look for motivation, call out scum, and then die while they don't get lynched)ShowSeven Deadly Sins. Six thrilling chapters. One epic adventure.
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Mastin remember our hydra? Ya know, the reason we have this bad blood? Just saying...
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Damnit Majiffy I forgot you weren't the mod >.<
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This is interesting and noteworthy but I don't know for which alignment as of now. The motivation reads like trying to appear as town not voting Abomination, but it's followed up by an actual RVS instead of interaction with those actually voting for it. This is a weird contradiction.In post 20, Iecerint wrote:I looked at at the player list and immediately wanted to vote that monstrosity, but now it feels silly.
VOTE: ActionDan
This is the overdefensive post I was referring to. It feels off to me with the level of explanation. But then, I don't know mafia xof. We will see what else she brings when she is feeling better.In post 46, xofelf wrote:I'm so sorry that I preferover VOTE: ?
Am I not allowed to have a preference? I'm used to usingfor things and VOTE: being a typo soo I dunno man. Muscle memory and all that.
Explanation comes better late than never, I guess. Still feels really passive, though, and I'd wager the two of them most definitely are not buddies. I'm confused by the 'lolsuchhydra' bit though. I can't actually tell if he supports a policy lynch or not >.<In post 47, Iecerint wrote:Tbf I suspect that basically all the players in Abomination will flake out and we will deal with at most 2 people in that slot.
I am pretty sketched out by people who thought that reading difficulties would be a legit reason to vote them tbf.
lolsuchhydra is a reason that makes sense to me tho.
Yo Iece. Can you reconcile for me?
Why?
I like this post for the snarky towniness that emanate from it. The motivation here reads town.In post 69, Venmar wrote:I usually advocate against Policy Lynches, most people probably know this, mainly for the reasons xofelf pointed out (thanks smart one), but I like making my own exceptions.
On top of this I know that xof is an inherently maternal person based on my talks I have had with her before, but this post feels scum motivation to go to Klick's emotions. Though it could easily be xof just not being a dickIn post 78, xofelf wrote:How am I probably scum, Kleeck?
I know you aren't all that great at giving words to your reads, but try would you?
(This is me not wanting xof to be scum )
I never read the role part of this post ._.In post 96, ActionDan wrote:In post 87, Always wrote:What I really need to say is this. Normally, I'd just leave this comment as be. But it's actually really, REALLY important that I get an answer from you, Dan, if this is confirmed knowledge or just speculation. It makes a huge difference in something that could be a massive advantage to the town, but I need to know for sure.)
Well if it's important to you Mastin-sama:
A 28 player game would suggest two factions or more since a 7p scum team in a 28 player base is rather unwieldy imo, but it happens to be the case that I have role info that very much suggests two factions. You should work with that assumption.
Fine I'll accept a multiscum theory for now. On an slightly related note, I feel like there's probably also a third party of sorts out there because it's a giant game and giant games should have third parties. *cough*Defense of Hyrule*cough*
This was me reading xof's post as though she was saying that somehow ActionDan might have a role or something that could confirm multifactions and me herping the derp hard.In post 104, Lord Mhork wrote:The only role that would say multifactions is scum, xof. What comments did I miss?
Why am I scum Nero? Don't you always call me scum?
Am I still voting Dan? You're prolly scum but I don't have good reasons yet.
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I don't like katsuki but he/she is probably town. I read that string of posts as town trying to demonstrate his/her point in a really obnoxious manner to get people's attention, regardless of the fact that it's a really antitown way to do so ._.
This looks town.In post 140, Klick wrote:
Please inform me about the error of my ways, that I may see the light.In post 133, Katsuki wrote:Those nero votes (someone + klick) on pg2 were p bad
PEdit: If we dedicate the entirety of D1 to having everyone take out Abomination, even if he flips scum, we're not going to have enough information to make good decisions later in the game. Here's a prime example of why what you're proposing is a bad idea:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=21433
This is just faulty logic. I haven't actually seen the hydra be anti town yet. In contrast it helped exit RVS really quickly. Controversy is protown.In post 151, Katsuki wrote:I should add that, the hydra is anti-town, and thus the best pro-town course of action would be to take care of it today.
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Faulty logic is faulty. Let's be real: all hydra's have dissonance. By that logic, all y'all should be voted out.In post 175, Young and Beautiful wrote:In post 165, Abomination wrote:Whoa, whoa whoa.
Kasuki, you come in here, make 24 posts of ABSOLUTELY FLUFFY NONSENSE over the span of two pages...and WE need to be lynched? Bullshit.
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The exact reason why we need to policy lynch this Abomination!
Also, note to self: Katsuki =/= Kagami
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Wait damnit I'm confused. ActionDan spell out to me like I'm a five year old where the post is and why it assures multiple factions.In post 192, ActionDan wrote:You should Mhork the same question since he's implying it and I only gave a "Lols" which may be implying the opposite or may be implying that it's dumb to believe that if one town role pm contains info on scum, then surely another can't, or may be implying that the statement in bold is arbitrarily designated to support your claim over mine based on his earlier comment that only scum have info concerning scum.
But to answer your question that you could easily answer yourself:
Your post (based off your role pm presumably) implies, but does not directly indicate, that there are two or more scum factions.
Wait this? I don't see how that proves anything. Hell you could argue that poison or arson count as killing methods that aren't NK or Vig.In post 199, ActionDan wrote:
FTR, it's this that implies another killing method that isn't a night kill or vig that suggests another faction uses it.In post 191, Moogle Dance Troupe wrote:The verbiage of something in our PM implies that there are methods that people can be made to die outside of the conventional night kill/vig.
After reading ~posts~ I will give geists a town vibe.
Rereading Always I will give it a tentative town read. The non game interaction, thoughts from mala, and just mastin in general having opinions looks more town to me.
(Also a side note I'm doing that metacognitive reflection thing that I've recently gone into. I would like to apologize for the level of contempt I have been treating you with mastin. We can chat more later, but the short of it is that my anger at you is illogical and misplaced. Yeah I think you're arrogant for reasons you shouldn't, but that really doesn't make you a bad person or one I should treat harshly. Basically I'm sorry for being an asshole and I forgive you forfucking me overabandoning the hydra when it was the healthiest thing for you. Luckily this still means I can disagree with you, which I will continue to do.)
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Oh wait I can vote too
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For the above.
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Where I attacking her character?
Also she. Mastin is a she. Use she. It's really not difficult.ShowSeven Deadly Sins. Six thrilling chapters. One epic adventure.
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Abom exploding over Nero reads town frustrations to me
Nero dumbness also reads town.
I like Mist for town after asking if the RVS was still RVS in her catchup post.
Young and Beautiful can be herp the derp town.
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You are silly and sharpest is gone
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For serious what are you doing with all your holding questions?
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I'm a dumbfuck and these games are really similar in player lists.
The point remains you're being weird Rhaego. Why?ShowSeven Deadly Sins. Six thrilling chapters. One epic adventure.
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Xof literally said V/LA in the post before you voted her >.<
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Zelda did it and others ._.
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I'm irritated because xof is basically a lurker wagon and wagoning her as she goes V/LA isn't going to create any meaningful pressure there.ShowSeven Deadly Sins. Six thrilling chapters. One epic adventure.
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VOTE: shosIn post 935, Majiffy wrote:893 shos doesnt believe his own claim.
Post above shos slips scum, confirms multiball.
Stop being dumb, people.
Woohoo~
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Hell naw. AD answer the whole 'other scum team' thing from shos.ShowSeven Deadly Sins. Six thrilling chapters. One epic adventure.
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Wow I was going to catch up but it's literally impossible to maneuver the mass of ads that spam the fuck out of my brother's browser. I'll have to do this later.ShowSeven Deadly Sins. Six thrilling chapters. One epic adventure.
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Guys. SHOS SAID OTHER SCUM TEAM.
Until someone can come up with a plausible reason why A) he said that and B) he has refused to acknowledge that, he's basically confirmed scum in my eyes.ShowSeven Deadly Sins. Six thrilling chapters. One epic adventure.
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No but the pressure isn't doing anything and people can just sit and coast on their votes. The votes would be better spent literally anywhere else until xof either shows up, starts prod dodging, or gets replaced. Right now scum can hop on her and just check in every now and again to say they're still waiting while they lurk the thread to deathShowSeven Deadly Sins. Six thrilling chapters. One epic adventure.
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Yo SG. Wanna vote shos?ShowSeven Deadly Sins. Six thrilling chapters. One epic adventure.
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Why is she scum?ShowSeven Deadly Sins. Six thrilling chapters. One epic adventure.
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Ok but half her votes are from RVS and the ones where she's not acknowledging her wagon are from being in a poor state to deal with the game and having her internet wiped out. She's a solid null to me, like age should be to anyone.
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It means that she's a dumb and easy lynch. Her posting doesn't seem scum motivated from the beginning. We need more time to actually see. I can totally see her lynch getting forced through by a bunch of people following bad logic and then writing off their involvement because omg such scummy lurkShowSeven Deadly Sins. Six thrilling chapters. One epic adventure.
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You mean the one vote? I think it's more forgivable than xof but right now not by much. Small wagons on absentees/replacees are not great at this stage in the gameShowSeven Deadly Sins. Six thrilling chapters. One epic adventure.
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All wagons are stalled because half the 28 player base is lurkaderping.
Easy lynch is antitown. People can just drop votes on easy wagons like xof and coast on it. Who on the wagon is pushing xof other than you?
I'm defending xof because she's not here and I like her. Plus piling impatient pressure isn't going to do anything really productive with her.
Also btw is hilarious that abomination was gonna be a policy lynch because dissonance and clogging the thread. They have really done neither of these things. I think they might be the least dissonant hydra here. If there's still a wagon on them, why?ShowSeven Deadly Sins. Six thrilling chapters. One epic adventure.
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Oh there's just one vote on a player not here.
Kat why are you still voting abomination?ShowSeven Deadly Sins. Six thrilling chapters. One epic adventure.
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He slipped and to the best of my memory he hasn't adequately explained it. That's sketch as fuck.ShowSeven Deadly Sins. Six thrilling chapters. One epic adventure.
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YOU ARE ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE DOING THAT. YOU ARE NLT THE ONLY ONE ON THE WAGON. IM NOT SAYING YOU ARE VOTING HER FOR PRESSURE. IM SAYING ITS EASY TO VOTE HER FOR PRESSURE AND SCUM CAN HOP ON AND COAST
I feel like I remember you being this dense last time we played together. You're likely town but goddamn that doesn't mean you're right about xof
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Can you direct me to the post? The one /from/ shos not someone explaining why they think the slip could make sense from town.ShowSeven Deadly Sins. Six thrilling chapters. One epic adventure.
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This is the post with slip. The issue with 'oh he was talking about demons team from someone else' is the wording he uses. He basically comes out in the first part saying he's a demon but obfuscates but he's being dumb for some reason. He's afraid being a demon will nail him as scum. Why would town think that? Town would go 'oh hey my PM says I count as a demon. I don't care because my alignment is glowing green.' Scum, if on a team with all demons would be all 'oh fuck we read as demons. That means there's a demon cop. Are there town demons? Ahhhhh.'In post 934, shos wrote:And yeah I do have some shit about demons. It tells me whether i count as a demon or not - i wont say cuz i have no idea what this means - and something more that I...well ive no idea. Thats why i said i probably wont get killed even if i claim. I mean, I wouldnt kill me, lol. Not yet at least.
Also from examining my role pm i can infer that the other scumteam is undead. I think it could be something like bad demons vs undead vs good demons/humans or something, but thats jist speculation.
The second half says that his PM let's him infer that the other scum team is undead. A) this means for some reason he knows that all a team is the same demon or undead which is suspect in itself, and B) his role PM is talking about the scum teams. As in plural. How would town explain either of these?ShowSeven Deadly Sins. Six thrilling chapters. One epic adventure.
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Or, and here's an idea, what if scum could be composed of demons and undead and regular Joe Schmoes? That's called good game design. It helps games from being broken by dumbass flavor gaming. If we have flavor cops to detect for undead or demonness, you can bet your ass any halfway decent designer with any semblance if a brain will make some demon/undead town and some not.In post 1120, Moogle Dance Troupe wrote:AD's role seems to give him similar information about multiple teams. Our role says various things that reflect on what the scumteam may have (and directly states that naraku is in the game).
The demon thing is not scum-indicative, it's town-indicative. Given that flavor clearly matters for alignment, scum have fake flavor claims. If he's scum, he has at least three buddies and at least four fake flavor claims to look at. He would also know that ceph wouldn't screw him over by giving him a demon claim if demon meant scum. Scum shos would know with certainty that demon isn't scum-indicative.
That case on shos is bad. Here's the good case: Shos's play suggests that he wanted a wagon to build on him, as if he had planned from the beginning to pull this whole flavor-IC bit, which casts some doubt on it's authenticity. He also acts as if there's no harm in revealing that his flavor is the main character of the series. Lastly, he infers that scum are undead from his role PM, which apparently is exactly right (according to AD), while I can't think of a great reason why inuyasha's role would mention undead at all.
I don't think that case is strong enough to outweigh shos-town evidence, though.
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Why were you afraid, shos about whether your being a demon would hurt you with regard to roles? The only goddamn reason that makes sense for town would be if it could give out a false positive, in which case, if you thought demons were a scum team, you would claim to be a town aligned demon. That would be protown. Like I said, scum would be nervous and want to wait to make sure that demon wasn't just another word for scum.
YOU SAID THAT YOUR ROLE PM LET YOU INFER THE 'OTHER' SCUM TEAM IS UNDEAD. Somehow your PM let you know there were two teams and one of them was undead. That's literally what your post is saying right now.
SG pretend to be a protown player. Why is shos town?
Moogle claiming demon doesn't make him look town. If anything at all, it is a solid null. What are you even trying to say with your fake claim statement? Also I wanted to vote AD too for privileged info there but everyone was more than happy to bitch about that to.
Why would his PM mention undead? I don't know. Maybe there undead fake claims. Maybe scum get to know the flavor of the other team. Maybe I'm wrong and ceph did actually make teams that all were the same flavor and he inferred the opposite of his demon team. I don't know. I do know that none of this points to obvious shos town on any level.
Also you're a dumbfuck calling Beetlejuice on xof like that. If she could play, she'd post something. I'm betting she'll be replaced by the end of the week, followed prolly by a dumb speed wagon because 'obvscum xof.' It's asinineShowSeven Deadly Sins. Six thrilling chapters. One epic adventure.
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I don't know why that post was quoted.
Majiffy wanna help? Aren't you used to bullying town into voting scum?ShowSeven Deadly Sins. Six thrilling chapters. One epic adventure.
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