InuYasha Mafia (Game Over)

[Lord Mhork]

Abomination is gonna suck >.<

VOTE: xofelf

I DID IT GUYS I REALLY DID IT

[Lord Mhork]

Xof you didn't react to my vote

VOTE: Mastin

You seem giddy and I recall your giddiness being related to scum. Or

VOTE: Always if that's the hydra. Anyway you guys can trust me on reading Mastin. The last tubes we've played she was scum both, called me scum as town, and I read her correctly. I got this. Mastin why the 'I wanna be scum. Damn I'm town' act?

I'm actually ok with abomination right now. Policy lynches are stupid and it hasn't done anything bad yet to warrant any serious consideration. I find anyone advocating 'because it's really big, guys' to be suspect. Just chill and see what it will do.

Xof I've never seen you play. You seem a little jumpy. Why?

In case it's not obvious, I am basically always phone posting.

[Lord Mhork]

Star Wars doesn't count. I was killed night one. ._.
Also I'm good at scum hunting. I promise <3

Psh mhork is all emotions all day errday, except when I try really hard to put things in logic. But then, logic don't have a place in mafia, now does it?

[Lord Mhork]

Wait but we don't know for sure there are multiple factions do we?

VOTE: ActionDan

[Lord Mhork]

The only role that would say multifactions is scum, xof. What comments did I miss?

Why am I scum Nero? Don't you always call me scum?

[Lord Mhork]

Your posts just don't read as much of the chill xof I'm used to. You seem more nervous and unsure. Like, ready to leap on people questioning you. I'm thinking about it.

Yo Dan. That is the only role that would know about multi factions.

[Lord Mhork]

I find all the BIG HYDRA ANTI TOWN FOR EXISTING is hilarious when all the people complaining are advocating a glorified policy lunch as though it's more protown.

Although Kat is town so meh :/

[Lord Mhork]

Mastin you are vastly overestimating my play. Everyone knows I'm shit town.

Anyway I don't think I've actually seriously sat down with this game in front of a real computer. I'll do that once I finally get home. You can expect it in around two or three hours probably

[Lord Mhork]

This is why I dislike playing with you Mastin. You tunnel like a motherfucker and think you're always right.

[Lord Mhork]

Mastin I think you're a bullheaded, self righteous ass and you give yourself and receive from others way more credit than you deserve in scum hunting and mafia theory, which pisses me off because I have just as valid views that no one listens too.

That being said xof likes you and as I interact with her on a daily basis, I'm very much trying to be civil. Plus if like to not go frothing at mouth anger in this game since last game I had with clubhouse people I bitched out candi and felt like shit. Xof, klick, and kdowns are here and cephrawr is modding. I'm on good behavior. Don't push it


PEDIT:
Let me reread the thread when I get home and I'll get back to you.

[Lord Mhork]

Have we played before, TSO? I remember liking you for some reason but I might have you confused

[Lord Mhork]

Oh that's right. I remember now.

[Lord Mhork]

I know people listen to you Mastin. However I vehemently disagree with many of your theory and positions, and feel that they harm the meta. Hell last newbie game I was in you strategically lurked as scum. I'm aware a lot of people go to you. That doesn't make you a strong player or reliable source.

Also how the fuck did you get me needing help from that post? I was simply saying I have opinions no one listens to on mafia theory. Frankly I think I'm probably a stronger player than you from a pure theoretical standpoint. No one listens to me, though, so I'm a really shitty player.

And yeah. I've maybe twice gotten huffy and angry at the mention of your name and she internet slaps me, not having any of that. That's why I'm trying to civilly explain this. How's it working?

[Lord Mhork]

Wait fuck I misread your post.

I also don't really care about MD. After SE and GD vomited me out, I basically decided MM and Mafia games were the only places I would talk

[Lord Mhork]

Her, ActionDan.

[Lord Mhork]

When I had trouble both my my real life trans friend and with Mastin, it helped to only refer to them by name until I got the change ingrained in my mind. I mean not to be a dick, but it's been awhile and I do somewhat understand how frustrating misgendering is for a person.

[Lord Mhork]

So this is actually the worst train ride if my life. Someday I will get home and do a real post

[Lord Mhork]

(Neither do I. People like it when you quote stuff and make thoughts though, or so I hear. I personally just look for motivation, call out scum, and then die while they don't get lynched)

[Lord Mhork]

._.
Mastin remember our hydra? Ya know, the reason we have this bad blood? Just saying...

PEDIT:
<3 xof. You have my sympathies there and I wish you the best.

[Lord Mhork]

Damnit Majiffy I forgot you weren't the mod >.<

Whatever. I'm starting the read now

[Lord Mhork]

I looked at at the player list and immediately wanted to vote that monstrosity, but now it feels silly.

VOTE: ActionDan

This is interesting and noteworthy but I don't know for which alignment as of now. The motivation reads like trying to appear as town not voting Abomination, but it's followed up by an actual RVS instead of interaction with those actually voting for it. This is a weird contradiction.

I'm so sorry that I prefer

over VOTE: ?
Am I not allowed to have a preference? I'm used to using

for things and VOTE: being a typo soo I dunno man. Muscle memory and all that.

This is the overdefensive post I was referring to. It feels off to me with the level of explanation. But then, I don't know mafia xof. We will see what else she brings when she is feeling better.

Tbf I suspect that basically all the players in Abomination will flake out and we will deal with at most 2 people in that slot.

I am pretty sketched out by people who thought that reading difficulties would be a legit reason to vote them tbf.

lolsuchhydra is a reason that makes sense to me tho.

Explanation comes better late than never, I guess. Still feels really passive, though, and I'd wager the two of them most definitely are not buddies. I'm confused by the 'lolsuchhydra' bit though. I can't actually tell if he supports a policy lynch or not >.<

Yo Iece. Can you reconcile for me?

Unvote; Vote: kdowns

Why?

I usually advocate against Policy Lynches, most people probably know this, mainly for the reasons xofelf pointed out (thanks smart one), but I like making my own exceptions.

I like this post for the snarky towniness that emanate from it. The motivation here reads town.

How am I probably scum, Kleeck?
I know you aren't all that great at giving words to your reads, but try would you?

On top of this I know that xof is an inherently maternal person based on my talks I have had with her before, but this post feels scum motivation to go to Klick's emotions. Though it could easily be xof just not being a dick
(This is me not wanting xof to be scum )

What I really need to say is this. Normally, I'd just leave this comment as be. But it's actually really, REALLY important that I get an answer from you, Dan, if this is confirmed knowledge or just speculation. It makes a huge difference in something that could be a massive advantage to the town, but I need to know for sure.)

Well if it's important to you Mastin-sama:

A 28 player game would suggest two factions or more since a 7p scum team in a 28 player base is rather unwieldy imo, but it happens to be the case that I have role info that very much suggests two factions. You should work with that assumption.

I never read the role part of this post ._.
Fine I'll accept a multiscum theory for now. On an slightly related note, I feel like there's probably also a third party of sorts out there because it's a giant game and giant games should have third parties. *cough*Defense of Hyrule*cough*

The only role that would say multifactions is scum, xof. What comments did I miss?

Why am I scum Nero? Don't you always call me scum?

This was me reading xof's post as though she was saying that somehow ActionDan might have a role or something that could confirm multifactions and me herping the derp hard.

Am I still voting Dan? You're prolly scum but I don't have good reasons yet.

UNVOTE: ActionDan

I don't like katsuki but he/she is probably town. I read that string of posts as town trying to demonstrate his/her point in a really obnoxious manner to get people's attention, regardless of the fact that it's a really antitown way to do so ._.

Those nero votes (someone + klick) on pg2 were p bad

Please inform me about the error of my ways, that I may see the light.

PEdit: If we dedicate the entirety of D1 to having everyone take out Abomination, even if he flips scum, we're not going to have enough information to make good decisions later in the game. Here's a prime example of why what you're proposing is a bad idea:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=21433

This looks town.

I should add that, the hydra is anti-town, and thus the best pro-town course of action would be to take care of it today.

This is just faulty logic. I haven't actually seen the hydra be anti town yet. In contrast it helped exit RVS really quickly. Controversy is protown.

Thus endeth page seven.

[Lord Mhork]

Katsuki is probtown; policy lynches are bad.

-B_E

Whoa, whoa whoa.

Kasuki, you come in here, make 24 posts of ABSOLUTELY FLUFFY NONSENSE over the span of two pages...and WE need to be lynched? Bullshit.

Vote: Kasuki

The exact reason why we need to policy lynch this Abomination!

Also, note to self: Katsuki =/= Kagami

- b -

Faulty logic is faulty. Let's be real: all hydra's have dissonance. By that logic, all y'all should be voted out.

You should Mhork the same question since he's implying it and I only gave a "Lols" which may be implying the opposite or may be implying that it's dumb to believe that if one town role pm contains info on scum, then surely another can't, or may be implying that the statement in bold is arbitrarily designated to support your claim over mine based on his earlier comment that only scum have info concerning scum.

But to answer your question that you could easily answer yourself:

Your post (based off your role pm presumably) implies, but does not directly indicate, that there are two or more scum factions.

Wait damnit I'm confused. ActionDan spell out to me like I'm a five year old where the post is and why it assures multiple factions.

The verbiage of something in our PM implies that there are methods that people can be made to die outside of the conventional night kill/vig.

FTR, it's this that implies another killing method that isn't a night kill or vig that suggests another faction uses it.

Wait this? I don't see how that proves anything. Hell you could argue that poison or arson count as killing methods that aren't NK or Vig.

After reading ~posts~ I will give geists a town vibe.

Rereading Always I will give it a tentative town read. The non game interaction, thoughts from mala, and just mastin in general having opinions looks more town to me.

(Also a side note I'm doing that metacognitive reflection thing that I've recently gone into. I would like to apologize for the level of contempt I have been treating you with mastin. We can chat more later, but the short of it is that my anger at you is illogical and misplaced. Yeah I think you're arrogant for reasons you shouldn't, but that really doesn't make you a bad person or one I should treat harshly. Basically I'm sorry for being an asshole and I forgive you for

fucking me over

abandoning the hydra when it was the healthiest thing for you. Luckily this still means I can disagree with you, which I will continue to do.)

And with that Mhork is presently more manic and personable and caught up.

[Lord Mhork]

Oh wait I can vote too

VOTE: Iecerint

For the above.

PEDIT:
How do I lynch scum? o:

[Lord Mhork]

<3 moogle

I'm trying less rage and more logical discourse. Rage tends to not help depressive issues

[Lord Mhork]

Hey mist. Good to see you.

[Lord Mhork]

Where I attacking her character?

Also she. Mastin is a she. Use she. It's really not difficult.

[Lord Mhork]

I was going to do this but I got hit with a mass depressive wave. Maybe I'll feel it more tonight

[Lord Mhork]

On a phone

Abom exploding over Nero reads town frustrations to me

Nero dumbness also reads town.

I like Mist for town after asking if the RVS was still RVS in her catchup post.

Young and Beautiful can be herp the derp town.

Can we please have an iece wagon? :c

[Lord Mhork]

^really town

[Lord Mhork]

AP why don't you care if I'm voting you?

[Lord Mhork]

You are silly and sharpest is gone

VOTE: Rhaego

For serious what are you doing with all your holding questions?

Also Mastin isn't difficult to read, guys ._.

[Lord Mhork]

I'm a dumbfuck and these games are really similar in player lists.

The point remains you're being weird Rhaego. Why?

[Lord Mhork]

Yes Rhaego they do. Why are you voting me now?

[Lord Mhork]

Is that, like, a sex thing?

[Lord Mhork]

._.
Xof literally said V/LA in the post before you voted her >.<
Why Mastin?

[Lord Mhork]

Sorry guys I'm really sick and also it's the Fourth of July.
I'll try to get back to this tomorrow

[Lord Mhork]

Dude he said the traction dissipated. Prolly because everyone realized that the wagon was dumb >.>

[Lord Mhork]

Zelda did it and others ._.

Flavor gaming is bad~

[Lord Mhork]

I doubt name claiming will be able to break this game, protagonists/antagonists names is the series will most likely mean nothing. Also, possible safe fake claims.

[Lord Mhork]

I'm irritated because xof is basically a lurker wagon and wagoning her as she goes V/LA isn't going to create any meaningful pressure there.

[Lord Mhork]

893 shos doesnt believe his own claim.
Post above shos slips scum, confirms multiball.

Stop being dumb, people.

VOTE: shos

Woohoo~

I'll do a more content post after I shower and book a flight

[Lord Mhork]

Hell naw. AD answer the whole 'other scum team' thing from shos.

[Lord Mhork]

Majiffy said that it is essentially a scumclaim and confirmation of multiball. What do you think of that?

[Lord Mhork]

Wow I was going to catch up but it's literally impossible to maneuver the mass of ads that spam the fuck out of my brother's browser. I'll have to do this later.

[Lord Mhork]

Guys. SHOS SAID OTHER SCUM TEAM.

Until someone can come up with a plausible reason why A) he said that and B) he has refused to acknowledge that, he's basically confirmed scum in my eyes.

[Lord Mhork]

I still oppose the xof wagon out of principle since she's evidently not here right now

[Lord Mhork]

No but the pressure isn't doing anything and people can just sit and coast on their votes. The votes would be better spent literally anywhere else until xof either shows up, starts prod dodging, or gets replaced. Right now scum can hop on her and just check in every now and again to say they're still waiting while they lurk the thread to death

[Lord Mhork]

Yo SG. Wanna vote shos?

[Lord Mhork]

Why is she scum?

[Lord Mhork]

Ok but half her votes are from RVS and the ones where she's not acknowledging her wagon are from being in a poor state to deal with the game and having her internet wiped out. She's a solid null to me, like age should be to anyone.

On the other hand shos is sketch as fuck and is here to respond to pressure and wagons. I'm not gonna even consider voting xof until she shows up because that's a dumb thing to do

[Lord Mhork]

It means that she's a dumb and easy lynch. Her posting doesn't seem scum motivated from the beginning. We need more time to actually see. I can totally see her lynch getting forced through by a bunch of people following bad logic and then writing off their involvement because omg such scummy lurk

[Lord Mhork]

You mean the one vote? I think it's more forgivable than xof but right now not by much. Small wagons on absentees/replacees are not great at this stage in the game

[Lord Mhork]

All wagons are stalled because half the 28 player base is lurkaderping.

Easy lynch is antitown. People can just drop votes on easy wagons like xof and coast on it. Who on the wagon is pushing xof other than you?

I'm defending xof because she's not here and I like her. Plus piling impatient pressure isn't going to do anything really productive with her.

Also btw is hilarious that abomination was gonna be a policy lynch because dissonance and clogging the thread. They have really done neither of these things. I think they might be the least dissonant hydra here. If there's still a wagon on them, why?

[Lord Mhork]

Oh there's just one vote on a player not here.

Kat why are you still voting abomination?

[Lord Mhork]

He slipped and to the best of my memory he hasn't adequately explained it. That's sketch as fuck.

[Lord Mhork]

YOU ARE ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE DOING THAT. YOU ARE NLT THE ONLY ONE ON THE WAGON. IM NOT SAYING YOU ARE VOTING HER FOR PRESSURE. IM SAYING ITS EASY TO VOTE HER FOR PRESSURE AND SCUM CAN HOP ON AND COAST

I feel like I remember you being this dense last time we played together. You're likely town but goddamn that doesn't mean you're right about xof

PEDIT:
Can you direct me to the post? The one /from/ shos not someone explaining why they think the slip could make sense from town.

[Lord Mhork]

And yeah I do have some shit about demons. It tells me whether i count as a demon or not - i wont say cuz i have no idea what this means - and something more that I...well ive no idea. Thats why i said i probably wont get killed even if i claim. I mean, I wouldnt kill me, lol. Not yet at least.

Also from examining my role pm i can infer that the other scumteam is undead. I think it could be something like bad demons vs undead vs good demons/humans or something, but thats jist speculation.

This is the post with slip. The issue with 'oh he was talking about demons team from someone else' is the wording he uses. He basically comes out in the first part saying he's a demon but obfuscates but he's being dumb for some reason. He's afraid being a demon will nail him as scum. Why would town think that? Town would go 'oh hey my PM says I count as a demon. I don't care because my alignment is glowing green.' Scum, if on a team with all demons would be all 'oh fuck we read as demons. That means there's a demon cop. Are there town demons? Ahhhhh.'

The second half says that his PM let's him infer that the other scum team is undead. A) this means for some reason he knows that all a team is the same demon or undead which is suspect in itself, and B) his role PM is talking about the scum teams. As in plural. How would town explain either of these?

[Lord Mhork]

I sometimes read shos' posts. I don't think they ever really sink in though

[Lord Mhork]

AD's role seems to give him similar information about multiple teams. Our role says various things that reflect on what the scumteam may have (and directly states that naraku is in the game).

The demon thing is not scum-indicative, it's town-indicative. Given that flavor clearly matters for alignment, scum have fake flavor claims. If he's scum, he has at least three buddies and at least four fake flavor claims to look at. He would also know that ceph wouldn't screw him over by giving him a demon claim if demon meant scum. Scum shos would know with certainty that demon isn't scum-indicative.

That case on shos is bad. Here's the good case: Shos's play suggests that he wanted a wagon to build on him, as if he had planned from the beginning to pull this whole flavor-IC bit, which casts some doubt on it's authenticity. He also acts as if there's no harm in revealing that his flavor is the main character of the series. Lastly, he infers that scum are undead from his role PM, which apparently is exactly right (according to AD), while I can't think of a great reason why inuyasha's role would mention undead at all.

I don't think that case is strong enough to outweigh shos-town evidence, though.

-kagami

Or, and here's an idea, what if scum could be composed of demons and undead and regular Joe Schmoes? That's called good game design. It helps games from being broken by dumbass flavor gaming. If we have flavor cops to detect for undead or demonness, you can bet your ass any halfway decent designer with any semblance if a brain will make some demon/undead town and some not.

Why were you afraid, shos about whether your being a demon would hurt you with regard to roles? The only goddamn reason that makes sense for town would be if it could give out a false positive, in which case, if you thought demons were a scum team, you would claim to be a town aligned demon. That would be protown. Like I said, scum would be nervous and want to wait to make sure that demon wasn't just another word for scum.

YOU SAID THAT YOUR ROLE PM LET YOU INFER THE 'OTHER' SCUM TEAM IS UNDEAD. Somehow your PM let you know there were two teams and one of them was undead. That's literally what your post is saying right now.


SG pretend to be a protown player. Why is shos town?


Moogle claiming demon doesn't make him look town. If anything at all, it is a solid null. What are you even trying to say with your fake claim statement? Also I wanted to vote AD too for privileged info there but everyone was more than happy to bitch about that to.

Why would his PM mention undead? I don't know. Maybe there undead fake claims. Maybe scum get to know the flavor of the other team. Maybe I'm wrong and ceph did actually make teams that all were the same flavor and he inferred the opposite of his demon team. I don't know. I do know that none of this points to obvious shos town on any level.

Also you're a dumbfuck calling Beetlejuice on xof like that. If she could play, she'd post something. I'm betting she'll be replaced by the end of the week, followed prolly by a dumb speed wagon because 'obvscum xof.' It's asinine

[Lord Mhork]

I don't know why that post was quoted.

Majiffy wanna help? Aren't you used to bullying town into voting scum?

[Lord Mhork]

The fuck is with this xolef cw to obvscum shos?

Xof is massive scum because she defended someone, got defensive, and then let a wagon happen while she was V/LA

[Lord Mhork]

But majiffy xof didn't answer her wagon before her internet cut out!

[Lord Mhork]

Why are you voting her then, geists? I don't understand this case at all.

[Lord Mhork]

Because what I do understand of it is stupid

[Lord Mhork]

But 73 is only relevant if 46 is. You literally just said it wasn't an RVS reaction, therefore there's no contradiction, therefore 119 shouldn't cause you concern?

[Lord Mhork]

Fun fact about xof: she gets super defensive whenever she feels like anyone is trying to impose their way of thinking on literally anything. As far as xof goes, that's not an overreaction. But feel free to judge her by your standard of behavior. I'm sure that will work out well

[Lord Mhork]

Geists what if she's not scum? Who's scum then?

[Lord Mhork]

I'm asking because I don't think you're scum and wanted to know if any of your other reads were better or more interesting. Why did you never vote Rhaego or any of your other scum reads. Can you explain them to me?

[Lord Mhork]

It's not a good vote or a good wagon. Better wagons are ones like shos. Hell I would go for Rhaego. I could even be talked in YN or Neil, but the xof wagon is stupid

[Lord Mhork]

I don't think anyone will today. >.<

Talk to me about Rhaego and YB?

PEDIT:
Or just YB

[Lord Mhork]

What no. I've been reading over the YB ISO and trying to figure out if it's just derping or scum.

[Lord Mhork]

Mastin you know being a dick doesn't help. You don't have to be a narcissistic asshole to be authority. Also fun fact I have consistently beaten scum you~

I do think Mastin is town here though. She's caught up in her own head about how awesome and obvtown she's being and it does not look like she's faking it. Plus I don't remember scum Mastin ever acting like this.

[Lord Mhork]

TSO are you town? I kinda really wanna be town buddies with you just to fight the Mastin arrogance

[Lord Mhork]

TSO fwiw I'm basing my knowledge of scum Mastin on les Mis

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=31879

Her arrogance seemed more forced and less organic here, like she was trying to play the role. I feel like Mastin is more likely to be an unabashed arrogant narcissist when she feels like she's in her element as a townie. She obviously thinks very highly of her town game and so is eating up what she perceives as obv towniness.

The only argument I could see for scum Mastin right now is her obsession with 'my scum game is so good you don't even know,' but that reasoning feels way to weak for me to vote right now

[Lord Mhork]

I've found out that YB herps the derp hard and is massively committed to her temptress persona. I'd rather give her more time to actually start being useful at this point. She's not a comfortable scum read for me.

Also I'm still d2v iece

[Lord Mhork]

Btw obvious buddying between AP and Mastin is obvious and not alignment indicative of either of them. They each are hot for the other's play style.

PEDIT
But Nero what about iece?

[Lord Mhork]

Wow Mastin. You're a serious asshole. You know you're not the best player, right? That was an asinine low blow. I don't actually know why ceph treasures you calling his scum game good.

Welp I'm done reading Mastin walls now. I want to vote her just to shut her up, but I still think she's asinine town. I won't be sad if she gets lynched or shot though.

Yo Nero!
VOTE: AIR

PEDIT
I don't have as good an SG scum read

PPEDIT
Wow. Just wow. Why the fuck do you bother playing with us mere mortals then, oh brilliant, wise, and divine leader?

[Lord Mhork]

Like, after that shit I can't even see straight right now. I'm taking a break

[Lord Mhork]

Oh my fucking god NOT EVERYTHING REVOLVES AROUND YOU MASTIN

[Lord Mhork]

No I'm pissed off because you're treating me with 0 respect and I don't need to listen to that bullshit from a mediocre mafia player with a head 6 times larger than her skill.

Nero sell me on SG then. I'm rapidly losing an ability to care about this game

[Lord Mhork]

I'm really confused. When did YB have a spine?

[Lord Mhork]

Oh hello compound depression my old friend.

See y'all on the other side

[Lord Mhork]

@Nero: Mastin ignores it and stays arrogant

[Lord Mhork]

Wait what about day talk?

[Lord Mhork]

Shos your vote is bad and you should feel bad

TSO where was that Mastin post?

[Lord Mhork]

Oh that Mastin post, while tryhardy, isn't a scum slip

[Lord Mhork]

I think my mod meta would be more relevant than Venmar >.>

[Lord Mhork]

No I'm saying that cephrawr interacts more with me than you >.>
He hears my mafia theory rambles more.

[Lord Mhork]

Umm... Did I miss a step?

[Lord Mhork]

I want an AIR lynch >.<
Fine

VOTE: shos

[Lord Mhork]

Geists?

[Lord Mhork]

Ok but, like, the only alternative is YB and I'd rather wipe shos :/

Also no the mist case feels lazy. She's obviously not here right now and she's not a serious hardcore player

[Lord Mhork]

It makes her null~

[Lord Mhork]

Oh there's the AD I remember

[Lord Mhork]

Iece how many times have you flipped on your town read on me so far?

[Lord Mhork]

Oh I see. Ok then

[Lord Mhork]

Wait why do you think scum have day talk, mastin

[Lord Mhork]

Ok when did abomination ever claim to be a miller. Wasn't that someone else?

[Lord Mhork]

Oh I like HS' post a lot. I had forgotten that YB spine dematerialized and because die scum die over and over.

I want them and shos. Pretend my vote is on both

VOTE: YB

PEDIT:
Ninjad by two votes wow

PPEDIT:
Three votes?

[Lord Mhork]

Mist do you really have nothing else to say?

[Lord Mhork]

I think that's textbook strawmanning

I also love how YB does in fact grow a spine when pressure is on her

[Lord Mhork]

Strawmanning was 'oh so the case is just I pissed of powerful egos, WELL IM SORRY I RUFFLED FEATHERS.'

Basically taking the case, making a really easy to knock down/really weak point, and using that to wipe the entire case.

[Lord Mhork]

YB spine continues to come in only under pressure and the death tunnel on TSO is really, really obnoxious.

YB, what are you hoping to accomplish by repeatedly screaming that TSO is scum because 'die scumfuck die'?

[Lord Mhork]

Should Katsuki be replaced having not responded to the prod in a timely manner?

Well, he posted from a different account...

[Lord Mhork]

Well that's a stupid claim. I feel like BoP comes out looking town here

Back to shooooooooos.
VOTE: shos

[Lord Mhork]

The way he went about the wagon, SG. It feels more like town trying to hit obvscum and being frustrated afterward

[Lord Mhork]

Getting the band back together!

[Lord Mhork]

Oh also I'll be V/LA from the 14th-20th

California here I come!

[Lord Mhork]

But but but shos ;~;

[Lord Mhork]

It felt like frustration didn't come from the lynch being dissolved, but from YB probably being town after all

[Lord Mhork]

Oh huh. I got their unvote explanation mixed up with their 'why was it so hard to get a wagon on town her?' explanations mixed up. Fuck. You might be right

[Lord Mhork]

You're helpful and good at this game BB

[Lord Mhork]

BoP why moogle? I thought they seem relatively town

[Lord Mhork]

Mist my townish read on you is basically gone at this point. What the hell are you doing?

[Lord Mhork]

Mastin how do you know scum has day talk? And please don't give a bullshit 'because I know'

The setup speculation is gross and should really stop.

[Lord Mhork]

Yeah the AP/Mastin thing is actually nauseating. I still think AIR slot is scum

[Lord Mhork]

Hey NS. What's with the random hardon for me?

Also yeah it's deadline between shos and xof? I'm staying on shos. I'll try to be around before DL but I make to promises on my mafia situation down here.

[Lord Mhork]

Can you define the term?

[Lord Mhork]

Oh. Because I was trying to remember a vote count from like five pages back and thought shos and xof were in a tie at 6

[Lord Mhork]

Yeah xof is being weird but I still think she's prolly town out of it

[Lord Mhork]

Yo Sven don't be a dumb.
Main characters can be scum~

[Lord Mhork]

Don't forget the time when both links were a fake claims and an entire mafia faction was technically good guys.

[Lord Mhork]

Ok Sven but what if Inuyasha is actually scum?

[Lord Mhork]

No. That's dumb. Let's say ceph randomly assigned factions. Flavor gaming is stupid.

[Lord Mhork]

Guys if we don't lynch shos today he will never be lynched. His play is shit and his claim was dumb. That's the only reason he's really being townread is because he's being a dumbfuck and he claimed the main character. Which is not a fucking clear.

But sure whatever. If it comes down the wire I'll vote whatever the biggest wagon is so we don't have a no lynch.

[Lord Mhork]

To everyone who said a shos wagon was way too easy, I laugh at you

[Lord Mhork]

You know what? Fine. Rhaego was a weird fuck anyway

VOTE: lembi

I'm going to be going after shos tomorrow though. See you then

[Lord Mhork]

Scummy how? No lynches are anti town Sven

[Lord Mhork]

Wrong. When is a no lynch good?

[Lord Mhork]

It's not like any of my strong town reads are on the table, Sven. The closest is xof who isn't installing me with massive confidence now that she's here and posting.

PEDIT:
No shit. It's like the opposite of shos

[Lord Mhork]

I tried, Nero ._.
No one wanted him dead because AP/Mastin love affair

[Lord Mhork]

I still support an AIR lynch

[Lord Mhork]

I'm still wondering odds of Iece calling to hydra with AP because he rolled scum and was having trouble with it. Wasn't iece under massive fire in the beginning?

[Lord Mhork]

Shut up Venmar. It's a legit thing that happens

Iece, I've been privately thinking it because I would rather not be bitched out for it. However it's a legit concern. Also I'm gonna point out how defensive your response is. How outraged and indignant

[Lord Mhork]

Also seriously what the fuck is with this player list? I legit don't think I could make more than half of it at best

[Lord Mhork]

I actually saw red with rage and your developmental disabilities comment. Fuck you and fuck your wagon

UNVOTE: lemni

VOTE: AIR

I thought you were scum as iece. I know you brought in AP to help your scum game because you were being scum read. You knew bringing AP would instantly make Mastin town read you guys. I'm done. I'm not fucking moving my vote from you. You and your asinine ignorant comments can die in a hole

[Lord Mhork]

I'm talking about lemni. I don't wanna be anywhere near a wagon with you

PEDIT:
idgaf about this game~~~

See y'all tomorrow maybe. Or not. We'll see

[Lord Mhork]

Hey iece hey
Hey
Hey iece

I don't care. I want you dead

[Lord Mhork]

Iece I have had arguments all game. I'm tired if arguments now though. I legitimately just want you to be dead because you're so fucking scum and I dont know why no one can see

[Lord Mhork]

I haven't made shit up. What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you just not reading anything I post?

[Lord Mhork]

I asked ceph about it. He said that it's a common thing to do

Also I don't care. I want to lynch scum today

[Lord Mhork]

How about shos or AIR?

[Lord Mhork]

Oh look shos lied in his claim. I am surprise.

[Lord Mhork]

I agree with egg.

VOTE: ActionDan

Makes sense why he wouldn't follow up when y'all suggested that you lynch any mason buddy claim

[Lord Mhork]

SG why majiffy?

[Lord Mhork]

For that matter, why Nero?

[Lord Mhork]

I think commuting makes sense when you claim a really big power role >.>

[Lord Mhork]

I don't understand what you're saying. What does Always do?

[Lord Mhork]

What the fuck where did Always commute? Xof's the one who claimed to commute

[Lord Mhork]

I was talking about the xof claim and that it is totally reasonable. Is also be hesitant to believe another commuter in Always.

Though let's be real it's not a stretch to think scum has a role blocker here.

[Lord Mhork]

...because she has nine abilities. Abilities are scare.

[Lord Mhork]

Because when you're strong you announce it to the town?

[Lord Mhork]

I'm still not a fan if Katsuki

[Lord Mhork]

BoP cop talk confuses me :/

Also isn't Shroomish really town? I remember him being really town

[Lord Mhork]

I'm confused what's going on. Also guilty on abomination what?

[Lord Mhork]

I think Kat might be scum :/

[Lord Mhork]

I think the claim is honest :/

It's either a very intricate scum ploy or, more likely, their genuine attempt to somehow get a scum to fake a guilty on them. Motivation there is pretty town, if not super optimistic

[Lord Mhork]

Ask BoP. I tend to think naive, claim related dumbness comes from a town place of heart who wants to be the hero.

[Lord Mhork]

I'm busy and will look at this game more closely later.

For now

VOTE: Katsuki

[Lord Mhork]

We only have one scum flipped. Isn't it early to try guessing team composition?

[Lord Mhork]

I'm so confused what's going on right now. I'll try to catch up later tonight

[Lord Mhork]

Yeah what do you mean, Shroomish

[Lord Mhork]

Why on earth would we lynch majiffy?

[Lord Mhork]

Because his feelings toward shos felt like a genuine scum read. It felt town motivated

[Lord Mhork]

Sure I'll go for Kat who pushed a bad case then dropped off the world

VOTE: Katsuki

[Lord Mhork]

Ugh I have no idea what I'm doing.

Majiffy can you remind me about the BoP thing?that wagon looks fairly town heavy.

[Lord Mhork]

Wait why would you not renege if you're just a way to help dude dodge kills? Isn't that a good thing to take away?

[Lord Mhork]

Umm... That was really, really weird

Well I'm still going to

VOTE: Neil

Because of that out of nowhere response

[Lord Mhork]

Neil how is my defense of xof telling?

[Lord Mhork]

How are you confirmed town?

Plus if you and lemni can share a game, I'm VERY hesitant to believe that you can opposing alignments. Who's to stop you from reading each other's PMs?

[Lord Mhork]

Bitch don't you talk to me about honor. I'm not the one using other accounts. Fact is that you threw a little fit over one vote and are trying to confirm yourself because 'everyone has claimed town reads on you for no reason.' Bullshit. There's no town motivation for that shit.

PEDIT:
Yes I'm upset because you started scum reading me because I defended xof who...hasn't flipped? Right

[Lord Mhork]

He's trying to play off town reads on him as confirming as town. Cocky scumfuck is cocky.

[Lord Mhork]

Hey Neil. What was my alignment in mean girls?

[Lord Mhork]

You know, the /other/ game where you said I had a tiny dick and was scum because I was less of a man than you

[Lord Mhork]

SG why is Neil town?

PEDIT:
Neil used this case to 'prove' I was scum last time we played together. That I was not a man and had a tiny because I couldn't handle his attacks. Which also made me pussy scum.

[Lord Mhork]

Neil stop being a dumbfuck. What are the differences between my mean girl play and this play?

Second 'everyone' didn't think that. /You/ pushed that because I had thin skin, I had to be scum

[Lord Mhork]

Geists how? Also how does it look that he's pushing the exact same case that he pushed on me when I was town?

[Lord Mhork]

EBWOP:
Dumbfuck phone. Town in mean girls.

[Lord Mhork]

OK NEIL I WILL ALL CAPS SO THAT YOU CAN READ. THE ONE WHO SAID I WASNT A MAN WAS YOU. YOU SAID MY FLIMSY SKIN MADE ME SCUM. YOU USED THAT TO PUSH ME WHEN I AM TOWN. YOU ARE WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT.

ALSO I AM SAYONG YOUR CASE IS SHITTY BECAUSE YOURE SAYING I PLAYED LIKE I DID IN MEAN GIRLS AND THEREFORE IM SCUM

[Lord Mhork]

You know, the /other/ game where you said I had a tiny dick and was scum because I was less of a man than you

Oh Lord. #1. I didn't say you had a tiny dick. It was a reference to something else that apparently everyone else caught EXCEPT you. #2. Nobody said you were scum because you were "less of a man than Neil." Everybody thought you were scum because you were "SCUMMY"... *gasp* omg, is that possible? Mhork? Scummy?

You were mislynched, because you were a terrible player who played as scum, though was actually unfortunately town. (Though the scum was much appreciative of you.) Now you're being lynched, because you ARE scum, who just got caught for the wrong reasons.

Also:

Relevance, your Honor?

ITP: Neil proves I am scum because I played like this when I was town

[Lord Mhork]

No it hasn't been confirmed

[Lord Mhork]

I still don't see shroom scum. I see BoP scum and Neil scum. I could even maybe she mist scum. But I think shroom feels town.

[Lord Mhork]

I think Shroomish is town based on his game thus far. Him trying to claim miller looked town motivated, even if he was confused, and his massive case on YB reads like a legit scum read. M

Also I'm a fan of the weird paranoia angle with which he went for moogle. Yeah he's been bouncing around but I don't see scum

[Lord Mhork]

Also feel free to actually explain your town reads whenever :/

[Lord Mhork]

I don't like either the mist or Shroomish wagons :/

[Lord Mhork]

I think Shroomish likely town, and I feel like just is far too easy to be scum. Between the two of them, I'd prolly vote her if I can to, but I think her play so far is disinterested town

[Lord Mhork]

VOTE: Mist

Shroomish is so town

[Lord Mhork]

Majiffy I still think Shroomish is town

Also mists flip makes me question the demons are town theory >.>

[Lord Mhork]

How the fuck does a demon cop prove undead scum? Demon cop catches demons who lie. Only scum would have reason to lie. Demon cop only makes any sense if demon scum have nondemon fake claims

[Lord Mhork]

Or demon scum with undead or human fake claims?

[Lord Mhork]

Nero if you're a vig, why didn't you shoot?

[Lord Mhork]

Also to whomever asked awhile back, undead town might he afraid of getting strung up for no reason >.>

[Lord Mhork]

Why xof?

[Lord Mhork]

Her night actions seem legit to me, MDT. More sensible than 'oops i must have been roleblocked oops my target died' YB.

[Lord Mhork]

Yes I'm undead town
In case that's not fucking obvious. I'm sure there's undead and demon town, just as I'm sure there's undead and demon scum

As for xof, she thought she was gonna get shot. Emboldened by that, she decided to try something else. She's just trying to help. I don't care what the flavor her abilities is. I think she's town, so I take it on good faith she's using her abilities that she has

[Lord Mhork]

Nero why didn't you use your vig?

[Lord Mhork]

Must be my color blindness and dyslexia

Nero. Why didn't you use your vig?

[Lord Mhork]

No I'm not parroting Neil. I want to know why you didn't vig last night. I have my own reasons for this.

[Lord Mhork]

VOTE: Nero

Why didn't you vig? Why won't you answer this?

[Lord Mhork]

I have my reasons. Why did you say you were a vig if you weren't?