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hi dopog... nice to meet you... did that make you feel all tingly in certain prospects... be careful, that can be addicting and then you would be screwed...
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you do not need a reason... feel free to vote me without pretend reasons why
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So thinking it over, people are voting and calling SleepyKrew scum because of perhaps these 2 things. Now, as I read negative utility it is not declaring scum but declaring that his role has a negative impact on the village. So the player is town but may have some impact that does not benefit town. At any rateIn post 4, SleepyKrew wrote:What is UP
I'm really excited
Also I'll probably be reallyangry lateron so look out in case I go INCREDIBLE HULK
Also, my role is anegative utility.
Vote SleepKrew, we need to know what the "negative utility" is because he/she/it boldy proclaimed having it...-
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did I say that, um no. Sleepy Krew announced negative utility. Some bright players took that to mean he is announcing self as scum. Okay, so they are not the brightest bulb in the drawer, but still if you announce negative utility the reaction you get is what occured. May as well run up the claim, so who hops on and who does not. Then we can sort out what scum is likely to do...In post 42, DeasVail wrote:
I like your attitude, but why do you thinkIn post 40, PeaceBringer wrote:you do not need a reason... feel free to vote me without pretend reasons why
we would have a better ideathan Sleepy Krew of whether it's best to specify his role?-
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NO I DID NOT SAY WE WOULD HAVE A BETTER IDEA... I believe that if you go ahead and pronounce something such as negative utility you are asking to be run up, otherwise you announce what your negative ultility is. I unlike the folks who are not the sharpest knife on the tree. Sure, SleepyKrew can just be a naive moron who felt that was best thing to do. But let me ask you this, why if you have a negative utility role do you announce it? Does that make sense? Maybe you want to get run up, may be you want to see who jumps on, lots and lots of maybe's.In post 44, DeasVail wrote:
You did actually say it.In post 41, PeaceBringer wrote:we need to know what the "negative utility" is because he/she/it boldy proclaimed having it...
I think you are trying to follow the status quo in regard to SleepyKrew, but unlike others, you are trying very hard to rationalize it. The problem though, is that I don't believe you have any good reason to think that SleepyKrew should be run up to a claim (apart from the fact that it's what others are doing) and I don't think there is any good reason for it at all.
FYI_ my first jump into the thread was without thinking things throuhg and reading closely. See my title, bucko. I have now thought about it, and it deserves further exploration. But you on the other hand carry on. Feel free to twist or misperceive what I say, as it is fairly common.-
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you have your opinion, I have mine... but carry on...scumIn post 46, Rail Tracer wrote:
no, you have it all wrong. i'm voting him because i want to. and i'm calling him scum because why not?peacebringer wrote:So thinking it over, people are voting and calling SleepyKrew scum because of perhaps these 2 things. Now, as I read negative utility it is not declaring scum but declaring that his role has a negative impact on the village. So the player is town but may have some impact that does not benefit town.
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heh, so you got a personal issue with the dude then- vendetta noted...In post 46, Rail Tracer wrote:no we don't-
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and what precisely do you think happens if you run someone up...In post 48, PeaceBringer wrote:
heh, so you got a personal issue with the dude then- vendetta noted...In post 46, Rail Tracer wrote:no we don't
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well then carry on, we should get along just fine then...In post 50, Rail Tracer wrote:i don't have a personal vendetta against him. i quite like him.
thinking ahead is not one of my strong suitspeacebringer wrote:and what precisely do you think happens if you run someone up...-
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what do you think of peace? Why the need to fish for other folks opinion, what is your own?In post 57, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:
I don't think you know what you are talking about.In post 53, ooba wrote:neroandmollie: He did vote for SK on Page 1 but Page 2 posting talks about the vote count being wrong and MUM's opinion on peacebringer? Vibe of "Keep up activity levels" of posting scum play.
MUM is fairly notorious for fluff posting/not playing the game and I often scumread the two heads. I think we are kinda past the RVS stage so MUM coming in and not commenting is still sorta suspect.
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any sense of fear is projected from your end... no fear from me... looks like you are looking for validation of one thing or another or seeing if you can get someone to go one direction or another. Just something that is noteable... also seems like a suck up quickly to another player... but those are minor observations...In post 59, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:
That's what I think of peace. So your leaning a lil' scummy to me. Why are you afraid of me asking people about you?In post 14, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:going for the EZ town cred, peace?-
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and it is actually 2 people now you are "seeking for opinions" Guess what there 2 heads and 1 player in game who has any game experience with me and nothing completed. So opinions are short... but your behavior of questioning others who do not know a player about a player you do not know is intriguing...In post 60, PeaceBringer wrote:
any sense of fear is projected from your end... no fear from me... looks like you are looking for validation of one thing or another or seeing if you can get someone to go one direction or another. Just something that is noteable... also seems like a suck up quickly to another player... but those are minor observations...In post 59, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:
That's what I think of peace. So your leaning a lil' scummy to me. Why are you afraid of me asking people about you?In post 14, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:going for the EZ town cred, peace?-
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****engage explanatory mode**** clearly you have done no investigation into this said player and my experience with the game. Some things to know. I come from the "werewolf" school of play with fast games. QUick, limited posts and a definite lack of explained reasons. Pretty much lost count a long time ago of the # of games I played. Werewolf or mafia style. Spent 2 years playing here in 2004-2005. Left over some frustration over issues with the culture and overall players. Came back to play with Jake from State Farm. I also know by an large with a large sample size that people have a reaction to me as 'scummy' when they first encounter me. I am special like that. ****disegnaeg explantory modeIn post 63, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:.............................................
You know how this game works right? One player finds another player scummy and they try to convince the rest of the town to lynch said player. I often see scum go for the cheap town cred of questioning a policy type lynch/senseless bw.
This is horrible. No one needs to "know" a player to have an opinion of their in game actions. This is tantamount to "you can't scumread me since you don't know me" which is just yuck.In post 61, PeaceBringer wrote:but your behavior of questioning others who do not know a player about a player you do not know is intriguing...-
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at this is contrary to the culture here... fyi. so good for you. But whatever read you may think you have you need to apparently have it validated by others before doing anything. Not quite sure of the motivation in that behavior or the potential of making that play... it is odd.In post 63, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:This is horrible. No one needs to "know" a player to have an opinion of their in game actions. This is tantamount to "you can't scumread me since you don't know me" which is just yuck.-
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scum here or one that ignores titles. I earned that for a reason my friend. I actually skimmed over SK's post. Saw all the quite votes and was wtf... read the negative utility then goes, um that is not claiming scum but that is a really odd play... but whatever... it is called thinking when before I was just posting... oh and most likely scum and new he was not I would probably white night this or just avoid it. Or perhaps do like you and proclaim someone scum for behavior that is not scummy in and of itself.In post 86, DeasVail wrote:I have quite a significant scumread on PeaceBringer now.
At first, PeaceBringer is wondering why people are voting for SleepyKrew. It is quite strongly suggested by his posts that he didn't understand why himself. However, he then decides that a negative utility claim needs pressure, and it's quite clear that this belief has been influenced by the votes of others. If he already believed before this game that negative utility claims need pressure, than he would have understood the pressure on SleepyKrew without needing to ask for it. So, I am pretty sure that he didn't. Then, when one of the original SleepyKrew voters reveals that there is actually no good reason to make SleepyKrew claim, PeaceBringer stands strong in his belief that negative utility claims need pressure.
This was very likely not a belief of his before, so how did it become so strong? I think that this is because he was scum under the impression that this is what the townies were doing (when it wasn't) and after having justified his vote on the SleepyKrew wagon in such a way, he couldn't suddenly decide as scum that negative utility claims don't need pressure after all.
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so Nani, first of all welcome to the game. so you sit back, come in, slam down one post and vote and then proclaim "stop shitty votes like the shark ones please"
first of all, only one who knows for sure my vote would be shitty is scum. However, please define in your world what is a shitty vote versus a shark vote. BTW, I am perfectly content with my vote being considered a shitty vote.
Oh and I basically agree N&M is likely town at this juncture... had to give them crap though over the "Oh, what do you think of peacebringer nonsense" such stuff is silly, but that is me... everyone enjoys differently...-
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give me a run up with a flip and I will tell you more... I am not one for this pick at a few words and declare, oh so and so is scum. But, hey that is self meta. As such, people call my reaction based play scummy... such as it is... FYI- I also do not like to explain votes. However, let me consider for a moment the reactions to the SK vote. Oh, and SK could be scum. there is something wonky with SK. Odd play off the bat. either suicidal townie or thinks that the negative utility is such that it costs town but won't out it till claim point. It is uncertain. It is a play that needs to continue to play out though as scum may expose themselves. I would guess that there is a scum in reactions to me but nothing truly alarming me yet.In post 124, Nani wrote:Sup Peace, after 5 pages who is scum and why?-
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oh and you really are not going to get much why outta me, I don't really share what goes on in my brain. but I can give you a list of who may be scum and might reveal some why's but I am fairly tight with the whys as I have only so many to give and it is day one. most folks day one why's are masks for tells unless of course the announce tells. Some are just based on tone and such. FYI, as to why, sometimes I don't even know a way other than that is my reaction to them.-
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You are voting a player that you think is town. Please die.In post 41, PeaceBringer wrote:
So thinking it over, people are voting and calling SleepyKrew scum because of perhaps these 2 things. Now, as I read negative utility it is not declaring scum but declaring that his role has a negative impact on the village.In post 4, SleepyKrew wrote:What is UP
I'm really excited
Also I'll probably be reallyangry lateron so look out in case I go INCREDIBLE HULK
Also, my role is anegative utility.So the player is townbut may have some impact that does not benefit town. At any rate
Vote SleepKrew, we need to know what the "negative utility" is because he/she/it boldy proclaimed having it...
My votes mean something different to me then yours do to you... maybe eventually you will understand... have fun voting town... what I stated is SK made a play, it is worthwhile to play it out. See what folks pop. Always interesting as well who gets drawn to voting me by things they think someone who is scum would be foolish enough to do... [imghttp://forums.footballguys.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif][/img]-
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[img]http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/pu ... stling.gif][/img]In post 130, Nani wrote:
You are voting a player that you think is town. Please die.In post 41, PeaceBringer wrote:
So thinking it over, people are voting and calling SleepyKrew scum because of perhaps these 2 things. Now, as I read negative utility it is not declaring scum but declaring that his role has a negative impact on the village.In post 4, SleepyKrew wrote:What is UP
I'm really excited
Also I'll probably be reallyangry lateron so look out in case I go INCREDIBLE HULK
Also, my role is anegative utility.So the player is townbut may have some impact that does not benefit town. At any rate
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fear mongering-- nice projection from you... you think I am "fear mongering" if you are talking about the shark smilie... I thought it was funny with her saying she wants a shark vote... I thought of that smilie when I thought of shark vote... who... I am so powerful with my one vote that it can send shutters of fear rolling through the bowels of mafiascum...In post 134, Katsuki wrote:Fearmongering 4 votes in, you must be very nervous.
question is which of you is scum or are you all town... start taking a look of what is going on if I am town. Consider what is going on if SK is town and if SK is scum. Who is likely to do what. Where do the votes go? Cause tell you what, what you think you are looking at regarding me is :null: there is nothing indicative of town or scum in anything I have said or done... it is amusing though...-
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Trace Racer
N&M
probably NANI & Katsuki (all though Kat may be targeting someone consider weak, but more likely genuine reaction-not sure, waffling)
A bit hinky
Dopog
hinky to scumish Viera Assassin
likely scum deasvail (ingenious tone)
the rest still sorting
sleepykrew made a play, it needs to play out to full maturity.
Vifam- have they even posted?
not saying much- Luna (but was amusing in few posts) and Dante- don't see a scum just calling SK miller per say...
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so, here is a time to ask a question you fine pair of lover birds. Is Kat's behavior true to his normal self or not? I only go on tone and keep flipping. But the SK play may have about run it's course... See I know there is a propensity of town to jump on something minor, think they hit scum and really just hit stinky bait... for me, used to fishing where there are walleyes and other fish that take a while to bite and far more complex. Her it is like sunnies snapping at bait by a dock. one post and wham bamm...get a reaction. The answer to my question can help me sort it out a bit more...In post 141, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:Despo and Mara are like huge lurkers. vote Kats with me peace.-
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I don't like the false pairing kinda of nonsense... if that is what he does, than that is what it does... did not give me warm fuzzies though....In post 165, Rail Tracer wrote:peace wrote:
okay that was a mega scummy post from ooba
nah. i don't agree with most of ooba's reads so far but it looks town.-
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it is amusing when "fluff' is used to call someone scummy. Fluff is null. And one fluffer throws digits at another based on fluff it is amusing
as to kats, hey guys, those of you that want reasons and such... go skim some of his scum games and compare the town with tone games and tone here...
tell me what you think the tone showed here has more in common with... either that or simply vote kats... Get R done. Of course you could always ignore but really not the wisest course.-
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that kats is scummy...In post 257, Shadowy Poison wrote:What answer were you looking for there?
I didn't talk to Mara until I talked to her. Why? Because I didn't.
What am I missing here?
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670118In post 260, SleepyKrew wrote:
1) I clearly am not calling fluff scummy. Reading is cool.In post 256, PeaceBringer wrote:it is amusing when "fluff' is used to call someone scummy. Fluff is null. And one fluffer throws digits at another based on fluff it is amusing
as to kats, hey guys, those of you that want reasons and such... go skim some of his scum games and compare the town with tone games and tone here...
tell me what you think the tone showed here has more in common with... either that or simply vote kats... Get R done. Of course you could always ignore but really not the wisest course.
2) I only have one post that contains no game-related content, and that post was in super early RVS. So where are you getting that I'm a "fluffer"?
3) If you want to call Kats scum based on meta, then actually provide your own damn evidence.-
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oh and the argument being made on SP is simply one of ratio of fluff to content. Nothing more. So yes, you are using a fluff based argument to call someone scummy. Let me ask you this, what is the usual proportion of fluff to content for that hydra. Is there something out of step with the normal behavior and tone from the hydra? We are 11 pages in and you are making a fluff vs content argument. Oh, and FYI, fluff and non-fluff is perceptual.-
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=2518 seems to be the last game here I was scum, now it was a long time ago and things have changed here and I certainly have many more years of playing. If you want to see a game that gives an example of how games are played where from (and an actual open setup)In post 269, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:
Calling a post fluffy/person fluffy has nothing to do with calling a player scum. As you correctly pointed out, both alignments do it. Though scum DO fluff.In post 256, PeaceBringer wrote:it is amusing when "fluff' is used to call someone scummy. Fluff is null. And one fluffer throws digits at another based on fluff it is amusing
as to kats, hey guys, those of you that want reasons and such... go skim some of his scum games and compare the town with tone games and tone here...
tell me what you think the tone showed here has more in common with... either that or simply vote kats... Get R done. Of course you could always ignore but really not the wisest course.
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sorry last post got screwed up, fixed
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=2518 seems to be the last game here I was scum, now it was a long time ago and things have changed here and I certainly have many more years of playing. If you want to see a game that gives an example of how games are played where from (and an actual open setup) http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/in ... l=werewolf-
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btw, the BG's routed in that game...In post 275, PeaceBringer wrote:sorry last post got screwed up, fixed
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the FBG game, not the multiball game when I was last scum here.In post 278, PeaceBringer wrote:
btw, the BG's routed in that game...In post 275, PeaceBringer wrote:sorry last post got screwed up, fixed
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a play like that from a reactions based player would be to get reactions and see what happens, who does what. Gets some engagement, which is exactly what it did. Now, perhaps scum can make that gambit but throwing out having something negative utility in first post of game is very odd... at first with opening posting it looked like may be suicidal or trying to get self lynched but then it became clear it was a fishing trip.In post 280, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:Even if he had reason to believe that it was multiball, the town motivation of making that claim is what?
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SK's play was reaction based play, I was not referring to deas...sorry misread. I have no clue on why he thinks multieball, that reads like getting the short end and not likely scum...In post 283, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:
but you've never played with Deas so why do you think he's a reaction based player?In post 282, PeaceBringer wrote:
a play like that from a reactions based player would be to get reactions and see what happensIn post 280, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:Even if he had reason to believe that it was multiball, the town motivation of making that claim is what?
Scum often hint at there being a second killing faction early on.
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getting short end of stick, making a conclusion on something with limited information. No idea right or wrong, seems off with way game is playing. OF course that is an assumption on my end as well and could be grasping the short end. Remains to be seen. We probably would have to know his role PM to know more. Town there would be trying to sort out, probing reactions perhaps. Not put a lot into it as we need to get through day and see what happens at night.In post 287, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:getting the short end?-
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sorry to hear that, hope you get through your apparent pain issues.In post 297, SleepyKrew wrote:I'll try to do shit tonight but honestly I'll probably need to replace out-
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No, I am not calling you scum based on meta, I called you scum before that. But since folks like reasons around here and I actually noted a difference. It is not a specific "tell" it is a general tone. But nice attempt to discredit the accuser and engage in an argument meant to further distance... niceIn post 305, Katsuki wrote:Oh PB is gonna try and call me scum based on meta? That's so cute if it wern't for the fact I know exactly who in this game knows by apparently "secret" scumtell.
Also nero is actually serious about me being scum which is lols, all while trying to call himself town. Nero for first buddy to die once PB flips scum.-
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oh and I love in your patronization that you basically acknowledge some awareness of how a play which in turn demonstrates your vote is full of crap which in turn would make you scum. That was about as scummy a defense line as I have seen.In post 305, Katsuki wrote:Oh PB is gonna try and call me scum based on meta? That's so cute if it wern't for the fact I know exactly who in this game knows by apparently "secret" scumtell.
Also nero is actually serious about me being scum which is lols, all while trying to call himself town. Nero for first buddy to die once PB flips scum.-
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as just noted, it is far more than lazy...In post 307, Rail Tracer wrote:#305 is a really lazy post-
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fmpIn post 308, PeaceBringer wrote:
oh and I love in your patronization that you basically acknowledge some awareness of how I play which in turn demonstrates your vote is full of crap which in turn would make you scum. That was about as scummy a defense line as I have seen.In post 305, Katsuki wrote:Oh PB is gonna try and call me scum based on meta? That's so cute if it wern't for the fact I know exactly who in this game knows by apparently "secret" scumtell.
Also nero is actually serious about me being scum which is lols, all while trying to call himself town. Nero for first buddy to die once PB flips scum.-
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why not, why are you voting how you are. Kats as engaged in posts that fit with what a scum may do.In post 336, Shadowy Poison wrote:
Why should I be voting kats?In post 251, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:Mara, why aren't you voting Kats?
What has he done that is scummy? he hasn't stood out to me yet so far
1. Pick an apparent easy target for behavior you can refer to as scummy.
2. Keep harping on it
3. Overall aggressive tone to play which is consistent with aggressive tone in other games as scum. Lighter tone when town.
4. 305
So about as much "scummy" engagement as one might find on day 1. Certainly more than the person you are voting. So why don't the 2 of you talk, sort it out and then come and vote kats. Heck, I even did some explaining, so you know something as me peaked.
Oh and before you sluff it off as OMGUS. Note I am not picking on Nani as Nani seems to be typical 1st exposure to me response. Sure, could she be something else, maybe. But I do not see it right now. Kats on other hand scum to the Nth.-
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No I do not, where I come from fluff is standard... and in my book explaining comings and goings is usually fluff...In post 351, SleepyKrew wrote:
Yes this is the one that I admit is fluff.In post 6, SleepyKrew wrote:mom please control Nero
Letting everyone know I'm sick, promising future activity, and making a vote. How the hell is that fluff?In post 70, SleepyKrew wrote:I'm sick
OF THIS GAME
jk but I am sick irl
I will probably reread everything after my nap
I'll ask questions and whatnot then too
VOTE: PB
Post 180 isn't me. I think you mean 118?
This is explaining why the content I promised didn't happen.
PB do you think fluff is scummy?
fluff=null by and large. Now if someone normally doesn't fluff starts fluffing or suddenly you have a weird tone to explanations on leaving and so on another story. There can be other elements of fluff that may be harder to cipher and not really something I do all that well. But no, fluff is not scummy, normally.-
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depends on the version you are using, but I think regardless of computer your print screen button works. Windows 7 has snip tool, not sure about windows 8.In post 352, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:How do I do a screen capture? I just asked the 8-ball if Kats was scum and I got "absolutely"-
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I thouhgt I posted somthing... musta hit save...In post 356, SleepyKrew wrote:So no response to me showing you why you were wrong in calling me a "fluffer"?-
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