Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[Gammagooey]

hay.

singer why buh?

also since theres going to be at least a few people that didn't bother reading the first post
*As a member of the majority, you win when the Daein Resistance has been subdued and one person with this Win Condition still lives.

*Per Micaiah's plan, you win when one member of your faction is alive and the following roles have been removed from the game.

So yeah don't forget about this when someone brings up massclaiming later.

reading over the stuff i skimmed, probably more post in a few minutes.

[Gammagooey]

mmmmmmthis

Vote: Haze

furthermore, hi spyrex, and yes uberninja's vote is superdumb.

[Gammagooey]

Selective skimming: engage

you are stealing my job you jerk.

and also quil's posts aside from his super early list look townz.

[Gammagooey]

maybe later? like i know it's bad posting i just don't think it's super-scumz posting.

[Gammagooey]

yeaaaah i'd rather vote UN than tammy.

haze won the prize of committing gamma's favorite scumtell though so more words from him would be nice.

[Gammagooey]

iiiim just seeing the ever-potent combination of doing something stupid and then being super arrogant and sarcastic about it.

for srs remind me later when everyone in the game has made a few posts though.

I'm interested in what this "favorite scumtell" is, Gamma. Please elaborate.

Naaaah. after haze posts more bug me about it and i'll tell.

[Gammagooey]

hey tierce i made a sign for you

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PEdit: FWIW, I *think* I need to find a certain(s) role(s) too. Not too familiar with Fire Emblem, but questing the wiki makes me think this would make sense.

the hells is this

like seriously i am experiencing a critical failure of thinking of reasons why you would say this as town

[Gammagooey]

so I'm probably going to just have to do isos to read potential lynchees later in the day, I'm getting a few town reads (hindu's posts look pretty town right now especially) but for the most part I just feel like it's a lot of noise.

i'll go over stuff more tomorrow.

[Gammagooey]

yeah haze vote was for commenting on quil's list without actually taking a stand on it, asking what's up with a player/post instead of having an opinion on it themselves tends to be scum more often than town.

his post on toasty is decent though. there's probably someone better to vote right now but that isn't happening til tomorrow.

[Gammagooey]

did a moderate amount of isos

alch and dram are both reasonably strong town reads

lld looks more likely to be scum to me than most of the playerlist so far but it's pretty much entirely insubstantiated gut

and i want to vote katsuki now? like i know its dumb and he hasn't even posted yet but i'm kind of expecting to be infuriated by a general lack of posting in his direction by day 3 or so and it's fairly doubtful I'll ever NOT want to lynch him at all.

so yeah

Vote: Katsuki

now, I'll vote even more better in the relatively near future, probably when someone bugs me about wasting my vote and there are for serious wagons going on.

no tammy and un don't count as for serious wagons yet to me because they don't feel like wagons that will result in the lynch of that player in the next few days.

[Gammagooey]

uh singer you're still voting tammy too

whoz scum #1 to you currently?

[Gammagooey]

okay fine you want tammy dead anyway thats fine
but who do you think is actually slightly-likely-scum or however you want to describe scum reads at this point

[Gammagooey]

eeeh kay i can wait for commentary i guess

and you could do what i've been doing and ignore them until it's brought up in someone else's post or when you're isoing her. like it saves a bit of time and irritation.

[Gammagooey]

okay no.

Unvote, Vote:singersigner

These two posts do NOT make sense together.

Aaayeup:

Also, there are at least four people I wouldn't hesitate bandwagoning/hammering today and/or tomorrow if given the opportunity. Regardless of what I actually think their alignment is. Cheers.

^in regards to why she's still voting Tammy (and she still is btw)

Yeah ok I didn't really feel like mafia-ing today so not really sure why I promised I'd add commentary hours ago. Oh well.

SpyreX is scummy because he's been the most noticeable pusher of Tammy who's obviously town and I think he's either stupid for it or trying to push for a seemingly easy mislynch. ... I don't think he's stupid.

Uuuh...no guarantees that I'll get around to it tomorrow but chances are higher since I'll want to do it before I won't be able to at all on Tuesday. Cross your fingers.

saying spyrex is scummy for pushing for an easy mislynch while you are voting that same person because you don't care if they're scum or town?
absolutely no.

[Gammagooey]

but you aren't even putting in any effort to get someone else lynched

i had to ask you who was scum since you didn't mention anyone except Tammy in your early posts and you're saying that spy is pushing on it for an easy mislynch when you had to be coaxed to say who was scum while you rested your vote on someone you think is overwhelmingly town?

how does everything you just said about spyrex being scum not apply to you even moreso?

[Gammagooey]

pretty sure from what i'm getting from her posts she thinks tammy is obviously town but wants her dead anyway because she's annoying i guess

which i dont think is that bad on its own but combined with saying spy is pushing on tammy for an easy mislynch it just screams dissonance to me

[Gammagooey]

@Zden- hindu's iso 13 and 15 both look town to me.

gonna read over toasty's iso in a bit so I can have a read on him.

[Gammagooey]

eh don't want to vote toast. i see what people are saying about his suspicions being the main wagons but him going into detail about those 3 before 2 of them were actually being wagoned takes a lot of the punch out of the argument imo.

glork stop pulling annoying worded technicalities out of your ass you know what he meant

[Gammagooey]

favorite wagon atm

Unvote, Vote: GreyICE

Kinda from a while ago but
@Ludi: why did tammy's 317 make her a bad vote?

[Gammagooey]

ever-changing wagons is normal for the amount of people in-game right now I think. especially with the game just getting started and people just now getting around to having content in their posts and etc etc.

for me personally i just feel iffy to bad about most of the other wagons right now and greyice's posts are mediocre and don't have any redeeming towntells.

[Gammagooey]

i'm pretty happy with this vote for now actually. you probably want me to vote toast but i've played with him-town before (and was the guy who pretty much pulled the trigger on his lynch as well) and I can see what he's done so far coming from town-toast. i wouldn't mind seeing more reads from him but I'm pretty sure he'll be getting to that soon enough or everyone else will rope him without me.

tammy just seems like another player who hasn't done anything scummy except do something pointless and silly early game and then get super arrogant and defensive about it afterwards

Ludi I'm actually considering but I want to see his answer to my question first, i think i'm decent at getting reads from when people give details on theirs and I want to see where that goes first

and then there's greyice whos early play is lazy sheeping and his thing with kat's not reacting to fate (who's barely in this game) just seems like a stretch to try and get him lynched easier.

so yeah i like this vote, do a super-short summary of why you personally think toast-scum or whoever else you want me to vote instead if you want me to have a better chance of changing it.

[Gammagooey]

if you can say it without name-claiming I'd guess it's worth saying since you just claimed *haz vague informationz*

I am admittedly stupid tired right now though so maybe wait for other people's opinions too?

[Gammagooey]

Gamma

You're now officially a triplevoter due to transitive property.

Let me know if that means you actually want it on GI (I'm still not seeing it). But fahhh this game needs blood

*parties*

I guess it's fine on toast until he posts his reads list he said he was working on? like i do think grey is the most likely scum out of all the wagons right now but it's not super-confidence-lazer-reads and there are still a few people that still don't have any content at all (nexus, mathgirl's replacement, probably 1-2 others i'm forgetting)

[Gammagooey]

I also think that Katsuki is town. Kats doesn't like playing scum. I really, really don't think he'd start playing after Vi had already started looking for a replacement if he had received a scum role PM.

bam

[Gammagooey]

heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey nexus how about some reads that aren't on the first player in the game alphabetically

[Gammagooey]

Just stopping in to say GreyICE is definitely town this game.

whaaaaaat

if you're gonna say grey's town give some details on it at least

[Gammagooey]

Consistency of wanting Katsuki dead WHILE also having reads on another myriad of players (instead of tunneling and refusing to comment on anything else) +Town

it's really not. like the only actual scum read i see is katsuki for reasons that are actually worse than the one true reason to vote katsuki, which is "he's probably not going to do shit for the entire game". ludi comments are slightly better than i remembered though so i'll give you that.

multi-scum is retarded unlikely given first-post-info unless Vi has a psuedo-3rd party scum group like in the touhou game but I personally think that's still very unlikely and is also not worth talking about until there are actual flips. and his reasons for multiscum if i remember correctly were basically "there are a lot of players and a bunch of them look scummy" which is holy fuck garbage.

lunch now maybe more words later if interesting things are happening.

[Gammagooey]

man don't you dare forget nexus on that lurker list

cause seriously
srsly

[Gammagooey]

eh

unvote, vote:toasty

weeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Gammagooey]

heeeeey glork congrats you get to be a quadruple voter until I get around to reading over more isos

Unvote, Vote: MoI

[Gammagooey]

i personally liked the part of katsuki's iso where he showed suspicion of more than one player instead of attacking and revoting the same player multiple times to look like they're doing something with next to no effort to convince anyone to actually lynch them

yeah im kind of being an asshole here but grey seriously comments on who else you find scummy would be nice if solely to prevent hypothetical you-scum from going without comments on other players until you can make a better decision on whether to push on their lynch later or not

also i personally think you as scum would do what you're doing now and tunnel stupid hard on a scummy player and then try to keep doing that to the next scummy player and the next and then late game if one lived bring up how hard you've been pushing them all game they're obviously scum or if the ones you pushed on hard are dead attack other players for suddenly suspecting you and joining you on the wagons when if they "really thought you were scum" or some horseshit then they'd have went after you earlier

i'm rambling everywhere but deal with it

[Gammagooey]

well of course not all the scummy players can be town ya know

[Gammagooey]

so this is mostly a prod-dodge.

I will stop being a useless piece of garbage tomorrow night.

for now have the super-short version of what i'll probably say tomorrow- from what I've read MoI looks like a better lynch than he was when I actually voted him, he's in my opinion the best lynch that's actually possible today (and even without taking possibility of being lynched into account he's still one of the top lynches in the game) and given Vi's OMINOUS FLAVOR TEXT it's probably better to hurry this up a bit.

yeah rushing a lynch isn't a good thing most of the time but we're 54 pages in and L-4 or 5 is the closest anyone's gotten to lynch so far and I don't want shit to stall out and deal with whatever Vi's thought up for OUTRAGE because people are pushing shit that has literally zero chance of happening.

[Gammagooey]

oh and for alchemist's thing I'd be enormously happy to slaughter one of MoI or Greyice.

[Gammagooey]

@Magua- I remember defcon 3 where you were super active and theorized a bunch about what scum would pick and what to do and everything and I think you had a good read on scum-regfan, and I think your content now is pretty dismal compared to that, although the theorycrafting was a lot bigger part of the game then. I think I had a pretty strong town read on you in metamafia but i don't remember why at all.

I'll go over the metamafia dead qt and see if i can remember why later.

[Gammagooey]

I think because of the fake parama daykill and how you handled everything around that actually? asking VPB about him killing someone was also a big towntell but that was after I was dead I think.

I'd tell you to listen to me this time if I go completely berserk about someone's claim but considering that you're the most likely day 1 lynch at the moment that proobably doesn't apply much here.

[Gammagooey]

cause spy is wrong sometimes just like everyone else

also this is lol-meta-opinion but I think magua's gone out of his way to be silly and more generally contrary this game than in the ones I've seen him in before, and personally I think town-magua would just shrug a lot of what's been said about him off and post about something else more relevant instead of going into so much detail with things like his iso 20 justifying his reads.

Like I guess I think that magua's posts would be more centered around other players instead of his own actions and the people voting him? I know that some of it would happen either way because he became a primary wagon but his play feels off to me with it being so self-aware and I think that's likely to come from magua-scum.

don't really think i explained the above well but hopefully it'll be useful anyway.

[Gammagooey]

Also since Magua's at L-2 I want to make a suggestion.

After running people up can we have them just claim abilities and not names? some of the abilities will pretty clearly point to a specific character but if we decide not to lynch someone because of a claim I'd rather not also give scum more information on who they can leave alive or have to kill given their win condition, and I really don't think that Vi would make the game flavor/name-breakable.

[Gammagooey]

guyyssssss this is a game. don't be assholes because of it.

[Gammagooey]

oh right. that is slightly disapointing.

hey lld do you not want to vote MoI because of your read on him or because of the wagon itself. because with this many players regardless of who the lynch is on the vast VAST majority of the players on the wagon are going to be town.

[Gammagooey]

hey magua make a quick im here post when you get here, i want to bug you about stuff

[Gammagooey]

woo

so you're at l-2 and may die soon.

a) what's the most important thing that you want other people to keep in mind if you die
b) do you think anyone not on your wagon is likely scum from the way they've reacted to it
c) what read do you have that you think most people actively disagree with and why do you have that read
d) what is your favorite type of cookie

kk go

[Gammagooey]

magua although i still want to lynch you I approve of your choice of cookie.

Glork's pretend-time and associated questions are also excellent things.

[Gammagooey]

hay dana

most important isos to look over right now are MaguaofIllusion, Toasty, Ludi, and implosion I think. So unless you're planning on reading the whole game in the next day or two I'd start with that and read the rest when the game goes to night and/or whenever you actually have time to read thousands upon thousands of words.

[Gammagooey]

implosion have you actually read through MoI's iso yet

[Gammagooey]

Unvote, Vote:GreyICE

will vote pretty much anyone in the game if their wagon is big enough. don't think implosion is very likely to be scum but i have too many town reads and people needed to start dying approximately last week.

[Gammagooey]

I want to say something but I don't know if it will actually be helpful for the town to know :\

if you can say it without name-claiming I'd guess it's worth saying since you just claimed *haz vague informationz*

I am admittedly stupid tired right now though so maybe wait for other people's opinions too?

Well it is a suspicion and nothing concrete.

Probably not going to say it until later in the game provided I live long enough.

95% certain this is why oversoul died btw. greyice/nexus could have also wanted him dead but even if they are scum I think it would have been more of an additional reason than one of them killing oversoul solely because of his suspicions on them.

[Gammagooey]

dana there aren't any deadlines but if we take too long to lynch people then scum get an extra kill, hence why oversoul is dead.

[Gammagooey]

i think i like this actually.

unvote, vote:quilford

[Gammagooey]

metamafiaaaaaa

[Gammagooey]

DDD you hammered quadz though that's worth *points* or something

flight to scummer of love leaves tomorrow and i might not be posting any more tonight so

Limited Access until the 26th

singer yes sheep the glorious glork/me/spyrex/ddd ubervote. like i am surprisingly hopeful about a quilford lynch.

[Gammagooey]

@dana-glork is probtown at worst from other stuff thats happened today, there is complicated shit going on if glork is scum.

[Gammagooey]

BITCHES GOT LYNCHED

time for *Parties*

[Gammagooey]

ALWAYS PARTIES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouofxU66TrE

[Gammagooey]

prettty sure theres only one scum team.

holding off on voting for a bit.

[Gammagooey]

man this vote is legitimately garbage

vote: nexus

i think one of ddd, dana, or tsh is scum from votecounts

i need to read over more stuff when i actually have time to do it, hopefully tomorrow afternoon

but yeah my vote above is really lazy and he has an okay or better chance of being scum but quicklynching him has the potential to let us "catch up" in cycles I think and his play is not something I want in this game at all. so yeah I fully support a nexus lynch now but if theres no lynch for a day or so I will go over stuff and give a vote that isn't lazy garbage.

[Gammagooey]

to be honest i'm also seriously considering voting magister ludi just for the tone of his posts even though i think the content of it is at least decent.

while i have a little time ludi do you have any reads that you think the majority of the game would disagree with? also actually i think this is better can i get your strongest town read that everyone would say "well that's obvious". multiple town reads that fit that criteria would also be useful, i just don't want to see a big list I want to see what you'd be willing to stand up for and be like "FUCK YOU GUYS <etc> IS TOWN AND <optional reasons and/or the word REASONS>

[Gammagooey]

also i'm right across from sir useless cupcake himself

SUP

[Gammagooey]

further also uberninja

is

was to my left
so also also also also also also
sup

okay done spamming the thread now.

previous questions are legitimately important and ludi should answer them in a manner that won't make my eyes glaze over the thread

and my other vote is secretly less bad than I said it was but I don't think as good as this

Unvote, Vote: Avenging Angel

went back over haze's iso and I really don't like the majority of his posts, it looked like a lot of empty questions and a bit of information instead of analysis.

if nexus can get lynched QUICKLY i will absolutely revote him but I think avenging angel is a very good vote right now based on haze's play.

@ludi- haven't read your big post but LOLGUT says alche is town. i'll actually read the other post in a sec.

[Gammagooey]

okay read it

don't really care about other people answering the questions, although I think they are generally helpful questions so if they want to for shits and giggles I certainly won't complain

glork tierce and toasty are all people who people would say "duhhhhhhhhh he's town" to come on I want more interesting reads than that

spyrex is an okay strong town read for that question, kind of assuming why is in your iso somewhere so i'll just read that later, if it''s not reasons are awesome.

[Gammagooey]

also @ludi-

tone is stuff like voting oman and tsh because you think they need more attention
actually i guess that's not reaaaaally tone so if you want to be superspecific pretend i just said it was lolgut.

[Gammagooey]

we'll always have GooeyCupcake, the best scumhydra of all time.

uh i should put content here so this isn't a completely fluff post

oh i'll check the votecount tomorrow after i wake up to see if i should revote nexus

bam look at dat content so good.

[Gammagooey]

I'M CONFIRMED SCUM WITH MOI AM I KATSUKI?

not what he said

VLA MY SHINY METAL ASS

uh yeah he's at scummer of love and I'm pretty sure he was using someone else's computer.

seriously if you're going to keep tunneling katsuki you could at least do it without completely made-up garbage.


doesn't look like anyone actually cares about avenging angel at this point so

Unvote, Vote:Nexus

MIGHT get to going over ludi and TSH isos tonight but I'm kind of exhausted. more likely i'll get to it tomorrow.

[Gammagooey]

mmmmmmmmmk

[Gammagooey]

maaaaan my forum gameplay is pretty ridiculously different than my face to face gameplay

having the ability to go back through what people are saying and not relying on memory and people's faces while saying/not saying things is kinda useful sometimes.

[Gammagooey]

oh hey actually reading things

hey ludi i went over your wagon analysis and although you saying "because i know i'm town" to reinforce it fills me with a strange burning sensation I think the analysis is for the most part decent. But don't you think it's at least possible that scum would hop on near the end given the importance of getting the day over quickly? hindu's probably town for other stuff but I wouldn't be surprised if grey-scum or tammy-scum hopped on the wagon late since it looked inevitable and stalling it after a daykill for being slow at lynching just happened.
disclaimer: have a town read on tammy right now and this is mostly for an example of why I think your logic could be flawed.

[Gammagooey]

i have now decided that ludi is slightly town and will likely continue waffling on him until he dies or something exciting happens.

nexus votes are super fine and even if he flipped town I would feel pretty fantastic about killing him as long as it doesn't take longer than ~3-4 more days.

TSH i will probably annoy with questions but i'd probably vote him just to get a fast lynch if he got a big wagon on him and nexus didn't look viable/nexus is dead for *mystery reasons*

speaking of which TSH more reads.
morrrrrrrre.

[Gammagooey]

I demand death and blood.

nexus vote is still superfine
oman vote is fine too

katsuki is like 90% town just for schmugen's last post before she died about counterclaiming masonizers, moi is probably town because of it too

but yeah i'd be pretty happy to just start murdering anything that isn't posting at this point and deal with the rest later.

[Gammagooey]

Okay I am quite drunk right now

but ike as a doctor instead of like a vig or something doesn't make much sense

plus LURKING IS AN EXCUSE FOR MY ALIGNMENT instead of fuck i don't even know but it sounds fucking absolutely awful and I think nexus is really likely scum with that claim

so yeah vote nexus please, i don't even want a counterclaim

i will take somewhere between 75%-90% of the blame if nexus is actually town but ike as a doc AND nexus as lurking because POWER ROLE instead of "too lazy/inactive to post" is really seriously fucking horseshit

alternatively you could wait like 9 hours for my sober thoughts on the matter but i really think that is a bad claim and that I really really want him to be dead as soon as possible.

GAMMA OUT

tildes

~~~~

[Gammagooey]

double alternatively you could look at this second gamma post

OH PSYCHE I STILL THINK NEXUS IS SCUM WITH THAT CLAIM

double deadly serious this is garbage
"I possess the blade Ragnell, which has great power but on depending on the battlefield conditions."
the fuck is that its basically saying lololol dont lynch me i could be tooooootally useful later game when the """""""""""battlefield"""""""""" is more evenly balanced

no fuck that
fuck it
fuck it
lynch death murder kill death

nexus is pretty likely scum even without a counterclaim, scum will have safeclaims in a vi game and the most important scum just got daykilled without a chance to use the safeclaim they had (giving the other scum the chance to use it)
COUGH NEXUS COUGHWHEEZEDEATH

okay i think you get my point here
i reserve the right to change my mind if nexus isn't lynched by the time i'm sober but i really
really
really
really
really doubt it.

so yeah i'll bug you guys about it tomorrow some more

SLEEP
uh everyone else that would post in this game has either gone home or is sleeping already
so yeah cya tomorrow afternoon/night probably.

bye now.

~~~GAMMAZING

[Gammagooey]

weee sober gammaposting

ike as a doctor makes slightly more sense than i thought since he's protecting crimean royalty in the second game and i didn't know that i think?

vi would 100% absolutely without hesitation put the biggest character in the game as a fakeclaim though ludi

leaving singer's place soonish so I'll probably post again about it later tonight.

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yeah I agree with "lurking because PR" instead of lurking because being too lazy to read this game is pretty unlikely to actually happen, and trying to use a pr claim to excuse scummy behavior is absolutely a scumtell.

i mean with the excuses about posting with exams too it REALLY seems like horseshit that him lurking was a plan based on him having a PR, I think it makes a lot more sense that he's making up the claim to fit his play instead of the other way around (changing his play based on his role)

I still want nexus lynched today.

[Gammagooey]

and by the way if nexus flips scum i am totally okay with lynching greyice next based on the garbage unvote+ call glork out for barely related meta combo

even though i don't reaaaally think greyice would stick his neck out that far to defend a scumbuddy it is really seriously bad and I don't want him anywhere near LYLO if he's defending flipped scum like that.

[Gammagooey]

although to be fair I think his katsuki tunnelling is also much more likely to come from grey-scum too so it wouldn't be completely "he defended a scumbuddy therefore death".

oman is hard to lynch because wagons not on the top votee are EFFORT and oman is generally a cool guy that people know and don't want out of the game for any reason aside from him looking scummy.

[Gammagooey]

if you can get enough votes or people saying they'll vote grey to make it bigger than the nexus wagon than I can definitely deal with hopping on.


SO if you want grey dead but you also like your vote on <insert larger wagon here> say so and prepare for <amazement/dissapointment/EXPLOSIONS/a parrot with a cap on its head>!

[Gammagooey]

dana you really should go over more of the game and make opinions on that instead of suggesting voting people on an unflipped wagon because <Reasons>.

also me being more lynchable than any player on that list except Duplicity is pretty flat out wrong.

[Gammagooey]

Those vote counts were exceptionally close together.

yeaaaah wouldn't be surprised at all if there was another kill on town before the end of tomorrow, the first one was at 18 and we just hit 36 and are apparently not actually that close to lynching anyone.

greyice vote hops with absolutely no effort to get anyone to lynch who he's voting for in this game given dese mechanics is still horrific (although i guess its better than him not voting for whatever reason that i forgot about)

i'd like nexus dead most still but none of the "wagons" are actually bad so make one happen and let's make it dead. (if anyone wants it spelled out wagons include nexus oman greyice and avenging angel atm.)

[Gammagooey]

actually you know what

unvote, vote: oman

bam, helping, nexus probably isnt getting lynched today with the "waitandseeeeeeee" crowd everywhere and I can very grudgingly see nexus's claim as at least possible. If he doesn't have some damn good shit tomorrow though I want him smeared across the floor as a layer of damp red dust.

[Gammagooey]

grey i have absolutely no intention of caring about uberninja and his play today.

if you want him dead say

why

.

[Gammagooey]

also katsuki wagon is pretty much the worst of the lurker wagons at this point given schmugen's final 2 posts. i'm going on memory here but saying two players are "counterclaiming" each other when their roles are vaguely similar is way more likely to be scum commenting on 2 town than scum drawing attention to a partner with garbage logic.

[Gammagooey]

man all these haters.

i have been kind of useless lately because I wanted a lynch done quickly and that hasn't happened, i'll go over stuff either tonight or tomorrow so I can have better opinions than various people are town and we should incinerate the majority of the lurkers as quickly as possible.

I'd rather have Nexus lynched than Oman right now but I really think we have enough players to get rid of the all the lurking garbage now and have the game be better off for it, and probably lynching a scum in that pile too.

back later.

[Gammagooey]

i would have said something if i was. has there been any discussion on what seems to me to be the scum win condition? "ie you win when x roles are removed from the game"
can we lose outside of losing majority if this win condition is met?

yep.

[Gammagooey]

so here are my thoughts on the game right now.

i have a bunch of town reads on people for various reasons- for how they claimed on tierce glrok and hindu, for schmugen's comments on kats and moi, for stuff that i said a while ago and have since forgotten while i was at summer of love on ludi, town reads on dram and tammy for their early play, and gut reads on toasty and alch.

greyice i would still be really unsurprised if he was scum but his posts have been a little better lately
lld read is similarish i guess, she looks townier overall but i could see her being scum pretty easily

i'd normally expect an early busser on the implosion wagon but dana is playing like i've seen him previously as town (i admittedly havent seen him as scum though), hindu and moi look town, and duplicity although i don't think it's completely out of the question had at least a pretty good backing for their vote on him and I don't think they're worth looking at until later in the game.

TSH looks scummy from the way he's been attacking people- i'll go into more detail about him [game-day] tomorrow probably, i don't think it's worth the effort of going into it now.

singer I wish would either use her vote and actually play the game or replace out, I really dislike her play but it's more likely to come from town tbh

uber has a million posts and i don't really see any of them as scummy.

ddd and spyrex i really haven't tried that hard to read mostly because i like them as players and it feels like they're helping get shit done more than half of the playerlist combined.

and then there's the pile of lurkers that shouldn't even still be in the game.

so yeah reads.

[Gammagooey]

ohhhhh shit
is this the SOUND
OF A LYNCH ACTUALLY HAPPENING?

because it sounds preeeeetty nice

unvote, vote:nexus

[Gammagooey]

no, singer needs either a replacement or to actually go back to playing the game. there are better vig targets.

also dup ninjaing me apparently with

agreement

[Gammagooey]

the magic of PERSONAL EXPERIENCE says that she would do that as town. It's possible she would do it as scum but if she actually goes back to using her vote and saying reads then I don't think she'll be hard to read for the rest of the game. If she tries to get away with doing absolutely nothing for like 2+ more days then yeah shooting her down is fine.

oh lawd dese ninjas

[Gammagooey]

Also, Gamma, what PERSONAL EXPERIENCE are you drawing on?

The experiences where if you didn't want to play mafia and got passed a card anyway you pretty much wouldn't bother playing the game at all.

[Gammagooey]

what greyice making good points?

daaaaaaamn this day is totally crazy you guys.

[Gammagooey]

SINGER

IT'S HAMMERTIME

[Gammagooey]

man glrok dont be all up in the IFs.
BELIEVE IN THE SCUMLYNCH AND ABSORB ITS POWER.

[Gammagooey]

so hey

DDD you should claim here if you don't want to die

i'm not really confident in DDD-scum but I don't think it's a really bad lynch

mostly i'm just paranoid about the possibility of greyice-scum and why he'd only bring up the point about ike being a bodyguard and one of the people that need to stay alive given the scum win condition when nexus was basically dead from TSH anyway, but i know that's not really pointing to him-scum on its own

alchemist looks even more town from recent posting

i can probably have less-garbage scum reads in a few days but i'm heading across state tomorrow to visit my dad and won't have a lot of time for actually reading once i'm there. I don't think that a quick DDD lynch would be particularly bad at this point even if he flips town but i would like everyone to start being more careful with lynches later in the game, I really don't want to fuck up a big lead like I did with scummies winvitational.

sorry for this post being kinda useless readwise. but those are my opinions right now so maybe they'll be useful to someone.

---
ninjaed by glork- if you really want i can throw my vote on ddd now but i'd rather have him claim first at least.

[Gammagooey]

actually how did that even happen i don't think i spent 20 minutes on that post

huh.

also wouldn't mind benmage and rhinox getting a post in before the day ends by the way so if they aren't buried in catching up then we can probably spare the extra rl day to get it in here.

[Gammagooey]

guys i just had a dream where ddd flipped Beaker (from the muppets), Mafia Godfather.

followed by another dream in which I wasn't sure if the previous flip was a dream and checked and he was still Beaker the mafia godfather but apparently daein had split into two colors in the flip, the blue dhcp-daein resistance and the red something else-daein resistance and the game was multiball. also i went on an incredibly slow indoor 21-story roller coaster where you could get off for a bathroom break before the 10th story or so where it actually starting going fast and looping and everything.

LOOK WHAT YOU DID TO MY BRAIN MOI.

[Gammagooey]

glork you realize that dup has a pretty decent chance of being the "vig" that shot scum for us right?

[Gammagooey]

wait that was you? then why are you suggesting to vig people later. like its not scummy at all it just seems kinda dumb to me.

[Gammagooey]

mmmmmmkay

[Gammagooey]

if you really think its bullshit then stay on DDD.

this isn't like yesterday where everyone decided that a shitty claim was worth keeping Nexus alive because of MYSTERY POWERZ until TSH claimed, if you really want DDD lynched it can almost definitely go through today. I think a lot of people are just either waiting for DDD to say useful shit or claim to see if he's worth keeping alive after all.

i'm gonna read over stuff now and i'll probably have a half-decent opinion on stuff in an hour or so.

also there are a lot more people awake this late than I thought there'd be.

[Gammagooey]

RIGHT now he's at L-3 but i'm pretty sure glrok will hammer without hesitation if he gets the chance so I guess L-2 is the new L-1.

[Gammagooey]

NOPES.

I might tomorrow though. Actually just went over DDD's iso and the first half of UN's iso and I'm pretty okay with the DDD lynch and think UN is probably town for gut but for ALSO calling out two scumbuddies for lazy alchemist votes and going into detail on that.

But yeah basically I want to give DDD one more chance to answer some questions and probably claim and then if there aren't

relevations

then he can die.

[Gammagooey]

and by relevations i mean revelations but words are hard.

speaking of which glrok are you drunk or is the space bar too powerful at this time of night?

[Gammagooey]

maaaaan you were self-voting for most of yesterday, self-voters don't get to hammer other people, it's bad juju.

[Gammagooey]

i'm quite aware of both of those facts but self-voting is silly and it made me very sad. therefore, bad juju for you.

[Gammagooey]

Vote: GreyICE

baaaaam

actually want to let ddd live today. the independently confirmable role thing isn't amazing but it's definitely a lot better than nexus's claim garbage yesterday (which was unconfirmable in every possible sense) and if he's fakeclaiming and everyone doesn't go retarded and let him unclaim it then he's dead anyway. it's possible he's a scum pr with a confirmable power but if he is then he has to actually use it like town would, so he can't use say a tracker ability to just find the best nightkills and immediately off them. also thats fairly unlikely i think given that both tar and the big bad of the actual game (micaiah) have both died already and they're the most likely scum prs.

don't want to lynch UN, don't want to lynch tammy much either but i'm a little more ambivalent about that. people that i'd like to be dead soon also include benmage and lld.

[Gammagooey]

while i'm here and silly bullshit is going on

ddd how do you feel about any or all of greyice/hazevengmage/lld?

[Gammagooey]

GreyICE was willing to own his mistake of being on my wagon

?
how so exactly, he's still voting you and everything.

also i kind of hate trying to parse reads from other people because of wagons on themselves soo any words on greyice that don't involve that?

[Gammagooey]

@hindu- mostly i think the early katsuki tunnelling is more likely to come from scum-grey than town grey and him attacking nexus with a legitimately very good point about him

after

TSH called out nexus instead of before makes it more likely to be scum bussing once they know their partner is fucked. also his voting nexus who's probably town because we're idiots->voting alchemist->voting nexus again once he gets close to a lynch is bad even though i'm voting him way more for the first two things.

[Gammagooey]

i don't give a fuck about an ability claim. would prefer no name claim though.

[Gammagooey]

well of course

[Gammagooey]

tierrrce you can vote one of grey/lld/hazevengmage? or you could just vote tammy again really.

also you guys are weird- what i said meant that i don't care one way or another about an ability claim, but i don't want a name claim.

[Gammagooey]

@tammy-yaaaaaay send it so we can stop all this please.

also I really want one of grey/lld/benmage lynched today. i have a pretty enormous amount of town reads and assuming that there are 3 scum left I really think one of them will be another.

CANT EVEN POST TOO MANY NINJAS

[Gammagooey]

razarereagaklmlkamlkrea

DEAR MOI: ddd's softclaim is literally a thousand times better than the horseshit you didn't want to lynch yesterday. it is worth keeping him alive for a single godamn night to confirm it.

[Gammagooey]

so i'm leaving to go across state in like half an hour

this is more likely to actually happen and also has a pretty good chance of being on scum

unvote, vote: LLD

I'll probably post a little later tonight and then I'll be back after the 4th of July.

[Gammagooey]

leaving literally right now

GLROK

VOTE LLD

FOR JUSTICE

(also I think the tammy wagon is vastly vastly town and that all 3 of your shitlist on it are probably town)

[Gammagooey]

dunno how it confirms anything since i thought hindu said he doesn't get confirmation

don't actually want to vote UN but I will absolutely murder him over ddd if i have to make that choice.

stiiill want lld dead and i think that can actually happen unlike grey and benvenghaze.

[Gammagooey]

so many haters hating

of course there's going to be a bunch of mistaken reads in a game like this, we started with 29 players and still have 22 of them.

[Gammagooey]

sigh.

hindu i don't suppose you want to join me on lld since you're not voting now? i'd go greyice too but I don't think enough people would actually go with it to get a lynch today.

[Gammagooey]

hindu i would have rather had you near lylo than a lot of other players and now you're guaranteed to die as soon as tammy does : /

this entire day just feels retarded to me.

[Gammagooey]

Something tells me that I don't want to know what I missed over the past few days..

CUPCAKE.

you should vote one of lld/greyice/benmage
save me from this nightmare

also have a summary so you know what happened- a gigantic amount of horseshit, ddd claimed an independently confirmable role (not a specific one, only that its confirmable) and also ddd and uberninja are the main two wagons of the day. you don't actually need to know anything else.

[Gammagooey]

I'm town power. Get your votes off me fucktards

okay no. ddd could get away with that because it's confirmable and if it doesn't get confirmed later he's an instant noose.

that is just more horseshit to add to the pile.

[Gammagooey]

behold
the last of my fucks
flying away into the sunset
exploding with the fireworks

alch if un actually flips scum i will link all of my scum games and upon request will elaborate on how i think i played those particular games unlike i would as town
if he does not i'll still link them but i will do so while glaring at all the living players in the game.

@lld yeah sure an amazing reference to say my play is bad. i'll admit un could be scum and it's entirely possible i've just overlooked him for a lot of the game. but if we get enough flips and it turns out this entire day was a bunch of town vs town garbage then you get to look at pony images every time i respond to one of your posts.

[Gammagooey]

i doubt that he's faking a tracker role.

vi's very capable of putting scum trackers in the game, it's just whether you think he's town or scum in addition to the claim.

speaking of which i guess i can try to be helpful again UN why did you track duplicity n1

[Gammagooey]

ohhhhh look un's probably town because of that apparently

waiting for UN to clarify shit but I'll probably hop on spy after that if everything checks out.

[Gammagooey]

katz i specifically told you in my summary that he didn't claim a specific role, just that he had one that could be independently confirmed

like i can understand not reading the thread but come onnn you can read my posts at least. they aren't ever wall garbage.

[Gammagooey]

the ddd voters think it does i guess?

i don't give a fuck.

[Gammagooey]

they could have thought he was a vig instead of a sk?

i didn't think dup was that town til d2 personally

kinda wondering where the hell un went though.

[Gammagooey]

let un and lld figure out if their shit actually matches up before we lynch (by this i mean un restates that the track failed on spy instead of him visiting nobody).

also if lld actually has another failed ability on spy i'd probably want to lynch him first.

un is a lot more likely scum with that claim than before though. me wanting my reads to be right is probably biasing me. eh.

[Gammagooey]

yeah this is happening

Unvote, Vote: Spyrex

[Gammagooey]

if it makes you feel better i didn't doubt your nikanor read i just thought you were scum anyway.

>_>
<_<

[Gammagooey]

oh actually yeah this would probably also explain the entire "no nation" thing from spy too wouldn't it.

spy doesn't want to claim a nation to avoid nation cop since they'll get no result
claims "green" because he thinks its town
oh woops thats my nation

so uh yeah let's do this.

[Gammagooey]

It doesn't effect any of the results at all, it just confirms that there will be false positives/negatives in the game.

Heeeeeey guys if you're from daein but you have the town win condition this is pretty much your last chance to claim it before getting investigated gets you insta-noosed.


although i do think that scum not from daein is way more likely than daein-millers.

[Gammagooey]

going to watch EXPLOSIONS

back later

(AMERIKA)

[Gammagooey]

Eh Alch if it was near LYLO then maybe you'd be right but when you've got multiple people with weird results on you sometimes you just gotta accept it and give advice for whats next.

given that though I do think that this is more likely spy-scum than not because he would aabsolutely do this as scum too so *shrugs*

kats you were already voting spy you crazy cupcake.

[Gammagooey]

man i'm bad at songs though.

can i do terrible mspaint drawings instead?

[Gammagooey]

i'll probably vote un after results appear from him.

also.


there once was a scummer from ur-quan
and no-one could track where he'd gone
so he got strung up real quick
but when it came to the flip
it turned out he was town all along ;-;

[Gammagooey]

why in the fuck is everyone nameclaiming

just

augh

i'm just going to make a big reads-thoughts-etc post after this LoL game and then we'll probably lynch UN anyway.

[Gammagooey]

back and lld can say my nation if she wants.

[Gammagooey]

pretty confident on all of alch, TSH, hindu, and LLD being town. counterclaiming your own scumbuddy when he's tarhalindur is dumb and i really don't think tsh did that. i'd also be reaally surprised if lld faked a no result on spy and there will be at least one solid investigation role in the game for town, aaand her and un aren't scum together so yeah. if un flipped town then i might reconsider but not until a few other people are dead too.

glork and tierce i'm not really bothering with reading town/scumwise after the d1 stuff and since they aren't getting lynched anytime soon but the reluctance to lynch from everyone else is for a decent reason so yeah more likely town than not

dram looked town and kayne looks town. not absolute about this but fairly confident.

wouldn't be surprised if rhinox/oman was scum but if un is scum then he's not so not dealing with that now.

really want benmage dead even though its probably 80% process of elimination and only 20% his and his predecessors play being sketchy.

ddd claiming a confirmable power role would be dumb if he's scum but get it confirmed tomorrow and then figure it out

tammy was prob town earlier and is still probtown from claiming

toasty and singer have been useless as fuck lately but are both more likely town than not

nikanor guttown+lld result

dana conf. town

grey i think is still scummy but im okay with just sheeping the spy's read on him until ben and un are dead at least

kats eh. thought schmu's thing about him made him likely town but looking back schmu could have thought that kats was making a shitty fakeclaim and would have to bus him soon or something weird. do think its still more likely him commenting on townvstown but its not completely ridiculous that it's not.

ludi probtown from d2 stuff that i bugged him about.


so yeah sorry about the sort-of-wall but thoughts are probably useful and such.


hey DUDES remember the entire speeches that went on yesterday with spy about not being assholes. its totally something you should remember and stuff.

and yeah confirming that i'm from crimea like lld said.

[Gammagooey]

Because you doing what you did is more likely to come from you-town than you-scum. bam tautology answer.

and if you were to magically explode in the middle of the day I wouldn't be sad at all at this point.

If you want a reasoning behind a specific read then ask but that was more than enough words with me barely explaining the reads at all, i'm not explaining every one of them.

and if you don't want to lynch uber then vote someone else.

[Gammagooey]

and i would actually rather you be voting me than voting nobody at this point. like i'm pretty clearly not getting lynched today but at least you'd be actually acting on what you think we should do today.

[Gammagooey]

no.
this is fucking stupid.

singer i could make an argument that it would be better to have an actual scum in the game than you assuming you're town
an actual scum would be doing things that could lead to their scum partners
an actual scum might feel like they should bus as their best play at some point
an actual scum we wouldnt have to worry about making the wrong decision in lylo because they haven't bothered caring about the entire fucking game.

I am absolutely 100% serious that I want you to either start playing this game or replace out. You playing like this makes the entire game harder to play and harder to actually enjoy.

[Gammagooey]

would be voting for un but i want him to claim his results first on the off-chance he's actually town.

[Gammagooey]

so am i your only scum read? if you don't want to vote un or me there are plenty of other people and the magic of vi-mod-meta says theres more than one scum left in the game right now.

[Gammagooey]

fine fine

Vote:benmage

i don't actually want him lynched over UN today but sure if you want to just compare your play to mine then i can deal.

[Gammagooey]

@singer-i think your reaction and asking to be lynched is more likely to come from a town player than a scum player because you weren't in any actual danger of being lynched and that usually only comes as a gambit from scum when they think they otherwise will be lynched.

so am I still "useless as fuck" or do you want me dead?

yes and also yes unless you actually start caring about the game

There just doesn't seem to be a whole lot of reasoning behind several of your town reads other than "more likely town than not." Can you be a little more specific/clear about your scumreads as well?

ask about a specific read and i'll tell you.

more recent questions-
no they won't clear him, but they might clear someone else or implicate someone else after he's dead.

he won't be cleared of anything unless theres some really weird stuff going on

because otherwise you'll just bug me about being a hypocrite instead of actually trying to play the game

[Gammagooey]

well that wasn't worth waiting for.

Vote: Uberninja

[Gammagooey]

nope you're still at L-1.

you could vote yourself again like you did earlier since there is actually zero chance anyone else is getting lynched today but you after you failed to track a mason of all people.

[Gammagooey]

list of living 100% confirmed town
--------------------------------------
dana

sooo complex

[Gammagooey]

iiiit depends on the game actually and i could put a bunch of words here but i'm 99.9% sure that it won't actually matter so yeah.

[Gammagooey]

welllll jailkeeper kind of makes more sense as roleblock+untargetable than roleblock+doc, and waaay back in a game where vi had 2 mentor/mentee "cult" scumteams and a jailkeeper if i remember right vi said at endgame that it would have been better if the jailkeep had been roleblock+untargetable.

but considering that we don't even know if theres a jailkeeper period in

this

game and the flips aren't going to tell us if theres a scum one in the event that there is I don't think it's worth going into in more detail now.

[Gammagooey]

he was v/la kayne.

don't want to vote alch. have a pretty strong town read on him and i do think two roleblockers is plausible even though not amazingly super likely.

[Gammagooey]

hey toasty does yours ONLY work on day actions or does it last through night too? because i can totally see your role as being a kind of really light power anti-day-sk/talking role and then alch being just a normal town roleblocker.

[Gammagooey]

^actually ignore that don't claim whether it lasts through the night, just keep that in mind.

[Gammagooey]

uh what needs clarifying exactly.

she said i'm from crimea, i've confirmed that yes i am from crimea.

[Gammagooey]

hey tierce btw, benmage is his buddy, not a lot of use in trying to sell the case to him

*high five*

[Gammagooey]

benmage you realize that every game i've been in with you you've been scum right

well actually i'm not sure if it was you or someone else who was a useless-town lynch in powerful wizard mafia but all the games i REMEMBER you being in you've been scum.

[Gammagooey]

also a space five sounds pretty cool and i should try it sometime.

[Gammagooey]

uh you didn't dominate. you pulled a gambit out of your ass in both games and then that carried you to victory both times.

[Gammagooey]

also you weren't in the powerful wizard mafia i was in, that was empking. i always confuse you two for some reason, probably the no avatar thing.

[Gammagooey]

Your TEAM played well in invictus. personally i'd say you were the weakest member aside from duplicity that game, but town basically kept throwing themselves into the noose for one reason or another until near endgame. if you want to say you dominated that game then sure whatever.

winvitational you should have been autolossed except the tracker and the bodyguard decided to check out of the game instead of going with a plan that automatically won the godamn game.

[Gammagooey]

hey whoever might know- did any of scummies winvitational get saved from the crash? i want to look something up.

[Gammagooey]

kats don't even consider letting un live unless he actually gets around to answering why he targeted everyone with his PR. people have asked him multiple times for multiple nights of his actions and he's dodged all of them. I actually think that is worse than most of his play this game so far, especially since pretty much every time he's been asked he was posting within the half hour and then ~mysteriously disappeared~

thanks tierce!

[Gammagooey]

infinite pro dodges

why did you target everyone you targeted with your ability

dup and spy and dana

not <because i didn't know they were town>, why did you think that they were either
a)scum that would be worth tracking
or
b) good enough tracker targets for whatever other reason

[Gammagooey]

you seriously just fucking said you tracked each person you just tracked because DIRECT QUOTES

i tracked duplicity because he was scummy
i tracked spyrex because he was scummy
i tracked dana because he is independently scummy

no. you absolutely know what i mean, WHY did you read them as scummy.

[Gammagooey]

wait i can make an even better and more accurate quote of UN here ya go.

THIS IS THE QUESTION HE WAS ASKED

why did you target everyone you targeted with your ability

dup and spy and dana

not

<because i didn't know they were town>

, why did you think that they were either
a)scum that would be worth tracking
or
b) good enough tracker targets for whatever other reason

THIS IS A DIRECT QUOTE OF EVERY RELEVANT PORTION OF HIS POST ANSWERING IT

i tracked duplicity because he was scummy
i tracked spyrex because he was scummy
i tracked dana because he is independently scummy

and i missed the fact that he's "conftown" duh

I would and will lynch for that garbage a thousand times over.

[Gammagooey]

no it wouldn't but being asked directly why did you think they were scum/trackworthy and responding three times over with a BECAUSE THEY WERE SCUMMY dodge means fucking death.

Also personally I would lynch you with him RIGHT NOW if it was possible because you would absolutely defend town playing like a fucking jester for town cred and if he is scum maybe you're low enough on numbers at this point that you're worried about a scummies winvitational game-break that the players actually pay attention to.

[Gammagooey]

hindu revote UN. it'll probably take several agonizing days to get this done anyway and he's at L-4 now, it doesn't need to take any longer.

[Gammagooey]

he's absolutely 100% consciously dodging the question intentionally. he's very capable of making up reasoning he's just being a lazy godamn fuck and either thinks he can get away without doing it or is an asshole and would rather bitch about the rest of the game not believing him than actually play to his win condition.

I honestly cannot think of play that would deserve death more than this.

[Gammagooey]

he thinks that people like you will see it as town because it's clearly town indignation and all that horseshit.

[Gammagooey]

yaaaaay

[Gammagooey]

nexus was kind of ultimate lurker scum, he didn't mention the vast majority of the game.

[Gammagooey]

the only person i would want to lynch out of those people would be ben.

but i would very much like to lynch ben.

so.

Vote: Benmage

i feel kind of iffy about an actual massclaim but I think I want DDD to claim at least aaaaaand there's a pretty big part of the game that has claimed already so I guess it wouldn't be that much further to go.

also my votes kinda silly considering that i'm 99% sure vi wouldn't put a doc+bg combo in here after scummies winvitational which means roleblockers probably did stuff but it's not hurting anything either I guess.

ohhhh toast blocking benmage nevermind look at these amazing ninjas.

[Gammagooey]

uh.

can't she just prove her ability by using it during the day? like its preeeeetty doubtful she's making that up anyway but yeah.

[Gammagooey]

although actually given how vi resolved roleblockers in another game (metatiger i think?) ben probably isn't blocked scum-killer unless he's the scum roleblocker who blocked toast and also tried to make a kill.

alchhhh get in heres

[Gammagooey]

can i interject here and say that an actual scum commuter/maybe 1-shot-day-dodger isn't out of the question and that the leader of the ravens is the most likely scum out of all the non-daein leaders flavor-wise and i think that all this confirmation stuff is garbage but I think tammy is likely town for how she's played so far anyway?

I guess I can because I just did.

also i seriously seriously want to lynch benmage. like if alch has a roleblock target that makes sense as scum then that's fine today instead but if they flip town lynch benmage next no matter what else happens in the game. I'm probably just going to get a bunch of quotes from scummies winvitational and maybe invictus and then compare them to his play here because i hate it even though his predecessors play are probably more damning than his anyway.

[Gammagooey]

oh man
oh man

ALL OF DAY 3
YOU GUYS
YOU.
GUYS.

Unvote, Vote:GreyICE

[Gammagooey]

no seriously
lynch grey, if not scum lynch ben
i will "borrow" one of spy's hats and eat it if at least one of them are not scum

uh i don't really have anything else to say here i think. parties?

[Gammagooey]

oh lld is cleaaaaaarly a jerk for making fun of me day 3 but DDD hasn't flipped yet and UN's play while and after claiming were the biggest heap of garbage that I've seen in a while so I don't think ponies are actually necessary here.

[Gammagooey]

you saying "lol i'm too lazy and skimming to be scum" when you've said very very very very similar things in other games as scum

i think you defended either silavor or MoI in invictus like you did to UN here too

and i feel like you just asking stupid questions instead of reading the damn game was something you did in a previous game too as scum although that might just be a playstyle quirk i hate with the burning of a thousand unpleasant infections.

but it's kay cause we're either lynching scum now or you'll be lynched tomorrow so everyone wins forever and ever.

@ben-also yes even though lld is definitely a she.

[Gammagooey]

@Gamma.. you must be dearly mistaken.

Lazy benmage is the biggest towntell of all.

-I think I did try to defend scum in winvitational... But UN flipped town... not scum... So your point? (I'm sure I've white knighted as scum before... so you can write this point off as moot....but if you were good you'd be able to decipher that I couldn't have been faking those feelings for UN)
-Stupid questions/laziness is again a classic disconnected Benmagetown game. Benscum plays as flawlessly as possible. So I'm gonna have to disclaim against this point as its NEVER happened.


**Right shhhheeeee... erm... what did she claim?

you are literally lying right to my face.

and the only reason these words aren't much stronger is because of the magical ghost of spyrex flying around keeping me in check

[Gammagooey]

@ben- silavor and moi were both town in invictus, and you went on about how town moi was for most of the day
also more in winvitational but you did have a few mentions of how you were just skimming along in invictus for some of it

winvitational quotes aren't coming for a while because going through a 200 page game with no iso feature is KIND OF DIFFICULT.

Spoiler: unorganized benmage quotes

I know the deadline is drawing real close.. but I still don't know the basis behind half the votes on MoI, or the "main "case in general.

I'm in the airport for home today.... but with work tomorrow, and time running out... I'd like to atleast have a better grasp why MoI will likely see the noose.

I want people to flush out their thought process beforehand before trying to take credit later... or trying to write it off.

There's decent segments of the game unread or barely skimmed by me. So sorry if I'm being a little repetitive here.

Skimmity skim skim this PG... meh still not sold on MoI ... still need to read.

Nautys looking bad for illogical switches.

Still down for silvador or baby spice.

Gamma Get on SILA! The MoI wagon can't fathomable-ly be worse...

Fate- Rage, meta. (Is there more?)
Tarhalindur- Zero reasoning/Fate Sheep...Goes on to post 424, accuses MoI of a scum reaction.
VitaminR- Meta.
silavor- NO EXPLANATION TALKS ABOUT BABY THEN VOTES MoI SEEEE
danceHello -Meta from an ONGOING game!!
Gut -Fate sheep, DESPITE thinking Sila scum.
Gammagooey- W/E is conftown willing to vote Sila... vote Sila!
Nautilius- NO explanation. Sheeps Fate. Jokes. Then actually tells MoI shes had time to defend herself... DEFEND FROM WHAT??

Are u guys fucking kidding me... This couldn't be a worse lynch.

Then the opposing option is SILA!!! And I have to pull teeth here...wow....

Damn phones.

Vitamin, is you're beef with MoI based mainly on Meta alone? That is to say.... he is more methodical as town, while as scum he is arrogant. And you are accusing him of his scummy arrogance?
-is that the main gist of it, or is there more?

Also, explain to me what scum Fate looks like.

Theres clearly scum on the MoI wagon.

But Baby Spice was sitting around doing nothing.. till I told her otherwise.

New scum voting strategy is to spread their votes around. Babys was sitting there useless. Baby is scum.

Scum hopped on the momentum of the MoI wagon.

It stalled and they went .

VCA will be key.

I'll be home soon.

[Gammagooey]

hiiiiii grey

if it makes you feel better i would totally lynch benmage before you if toasty wasn't also partially blocked?

<3

[Gammagooey]

maaaan i totally pushed pretty hard to get nexus lynched day 2 admidst all the let him live because rolezzzzzz shenanigans

stop hatin

[Gammagooey]

keep in mind that toasty will also know the result because they're neighbors unless it disappears after one day or something weird. outing the result isn't necessary right now.

[Gammagooey]

well damn.

eh.

you can probably get away with waiting one more day though.

[Gammagooey]

uh what
brb flavor

[Gammagooey]

so the magic of fire emblem wiki says that's probably

Nailah

?

[Gammagooey]

naliah is the queen of the hatari at the very bottom of the factions list. It says it also gives additional defense so it could theoretically be a doc protection with a cost of them not being able to post for a day but i think it's much more likely a scum ability.

[Gammagooey]

glork's vote isn't removed, it's frozen in place. the not voting is crossed out, not the actual vote on the wagon.

[Gammagooey]

i think the petrification will wear off, it says it only lasts until the chapter's end in the wiki. it's possible i guess though.

[Gammagooey]

lld its bodyguard.

[Gammagooey]

if you get turned to stone chances are pretty high you arent going to be chatting up a storm in the meantime.

[Gammagooey]

hippoosssssssssss night before last is actually more important i think, people wanted to know why you didnt protect MoI.

[Gammagooey]

oh hey toast
can you ask Vi if just the neighborization failed or if the roleblock did too? kind of expecting a <can't tell you that> answer but it wouldn't hurt to ask.

[Gammagooey]

Okay why are we just accepting that the only possible reason for no night kill is that Alchemist blocked Grey Ice?

Three nights ago when Duplicity was killed there was just one night kill. Now since Duplicity was killed, the scum kill went through and the kill that was missing was Duplicity's kill. Unless we're going to accept/assume that Duplicity had limited kills, a block couldn't have caused him to miss his kill, right? Or am I missing something?

i have no idea what you're trying to say here. dup's been dead for 2 days now, what does that have to do with a no kill now?

[Gammagooey]

the scum 100% guaranteed have a roleblocker because UN was roleblocked and neither of the roleblocker claims we have claimed to do that. i am assuming we do not have THREE town roleblockers here but i don't think thats a big leap.

so scum roleblocker roleblocked him and they killed him, problem solved. like there could be a theoretical bulletproof too but its either scum and doesn't matter to this situation or town should probably be claiming it at this point with the roleblock clusterfuck going on.

also i think you're missing a lot of context by just quoting that post of his and ignoring the rest of the day.

see grey voted nexus there yes
and then unvoted and brought up a barely related situation from glork's old games with a doctor claim
then revoted on the basis that he was an unreadable lurker
and then actually brought up decent points against nexus after tsh counterclaimed him and he was the 100% sure lynch for the day.

so yeah grey's a pretty good shot at scum here i think.

[Gammagooey]

seriously

seriously
wow

like i guess its a better idea for you than not claiming at all but damn
i don't even have to make a new post for this i can just quote my post about nexus's claim earlier.

double deadly serious this is garbage
"I possess the blade Ragnell, which has great power but on depending on the battlefield conditions."
the fuck is that its basically saying lololol dont lynch me i could be tooooootally useful later game when the """""""""""battlefield"""""""""" is more evenly balanced

no fuck that
fuck it
fuck it
lynch death murder kill death

[Gammagooey]

man thats not even a serious roleclaim is it you're just doing that intentionally since you know you're dead anyway

well you got me good job high five for you.

[Gammagooey]

see no that is flavor. unless you have a passive ability that says that the empress is actually in the game then that is a bad fakeclaim.

you can tell by the oh noooo i don't know what my role does post immediately above me and the similarities to the claim nexus made to try to get his ass saved when there's nothing they could actually claim that would be confirmable.

[Gammagooey]

and grey i'm trying to be as nice as i can to you here but you're being an asshole and that claim eliminated pretty much all the doubt that I had about you being scum.