Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[Hinduragi]

Hi Haze.

Vote: Zdenek

Why vote dramonic because you think he'll lurk. Go.

[Hinduragi]

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT

HE SAID HI

AND

VOTED ME TO GET MY ATTENTION. I DONT SEE THAT EFFORT COMING FROM YOU.

[Hinduragi]

If you were going for lurkers, Katsuki is in this game. ._.

[Hinduragi]

Oh man, another game of a bunch of backwards words thrown around. The joy of this. Tierce wagon: lol. Tammy wagon: . Saw bitchy and smarmy a lot while skimming. It's the better of the wagons we have for a d1 lynch but I think a golden opportunity will show up in time.

Re:Flavor
-Im against any sorts of claiming unless they're being lynched. It's dumb. Also, policy lynches should be reassessed because apparently blindly lynching players might lose us the game regardless of whether it's helpful during daytime play.

[Hinduragi]

Edited Tammy wagon part out because I wanted to reread it btw.

[Hinduragi]

vote:Spyrex

There's your damn OMGUS...happy?

You need to start explaining your votes on this page.

[Hinduragi]

I don't think he's saying it has anything to do with your alignment. If you guys have problems with play styles, I'd prefer if you saved that for postgame pm's, md, etc.

[Hinduragi]

Skimmed the paranoia part. My bad.

[Hinduragi]

Tammy's town.

Ludi's probably town. The jury is out on Tierce, but damn does she have a lot of words.

How the fuck did I miss this when I was catching up in the game?

There should be no doubts in ANYONE'S mind who needs to die today.

(nice catch Dram, etc)

It was pointed out already.

[Hinduragi]

Vote: Nikanor

[Hinduragi]

Tammy's town.

Ludi's probably town. The jury is out on Tierce, but damn does she have a lot of words.

How the fuck did I miss this when I was catching up in the game?

There should be no doubts in ANYONE'S mind who needs to die today.

(nice catch Dram, etc)

It was pointed out already.

This was me responding to Dram pointing it out to me, hence the last line.

Do you have the same reading comprehension problem as me today, Hindu? Because I can't seem to find the "Vote:UN" in your post, and it REALLY should be there.

Going for the easy lynch to start off discussion is dumb since we're past that point.

[Hinduragi]

Also,

VOTE: Tierce

Tierce's complete and utter confusion over flavor / win conditions is very likely genuine, as I'd expect her to tighten up the flavor screws before the game started if she were scum. Please move your vote somewhere more useful. Hell, I'd rather it be on

me

than Tierce at this point.

At what point before you unvoted did you figure this out? The uptake was pretty late.

[Hinduragi]

More or less meant your read in general felt late. Might just be me overestimating.

So as a matter of interest, why is your vote still on me?

I don't feel like slinging my vote around and unleashing a bag of tricks on D1 in a 29p game. Plus 2: I'm lazy; I generally dislike having my vote nowhere.

[Hinduragi]

I wasn't even sure if I posted my re on Tammy and didn't bother ISO'ing myself to check. I got that she's mad and "Tammy's got spunk" part is pretty much a good summation of what happened. Spyrex is mad and thus can be biased but does have a case though it doesn't have OMG MUST LYNCH merit to it. I looked up her meta. Didn't find any completed scum games but she has a town performance where she had some form of attitude I guess. Her most similar attitude to this game, though, hasn't finished and she hasn't flipped either so there isn't much you can pull from it.

Nikanor's opening posts in the game are absolute fucking garbage. Re: Opening vote on UN, the easy target. Meow meow meow for his sig. A bunch of blank nothing from a player who can do more. Re: FoS Alchemist because he's mad/reataliating; a dumb post. Re: Question to Ludi to add to the FoS. A summation of his posts: Vote: Easylynch, FoS:for fun, blank, blank, blank, blank.

UN said something that 100% conflicted with his actions. Yes, there's an easy fucking target. If it was a newbie game, I'd expect more people to go "shit, that's weird, let's vote him" but this isn't one of those. Here, everyone knows scum would be more careful about theri posting, especially if UN is scum and did something that bad. Yes, it's possible he's scum. But, given his rep, it's also possible he's just dumb town who fucked up a vote. I'd lean towards town.

[Hinduragi]

Hindu, If I, or Glork, or you, or DDD, or hell almost anyone pulled "gee golly gosh I dont know where my vote is" would you buy it?

That means I'd be voting on the assumpion UN is gambiting. I see the cake, but I can't tell if it's a lie.

[Hinduragi]

Nikanor, I can pretty much guarantee Alchemist is town because I know I can read him solidly. But I suck at this game and read Nuwen wrong anyways so I'm not the best source of information anymore. Regardless, he's not going to be the D1 lynch.

I really don't like some people in this game but I want to see more posts from them because there isn't enough to lynch them on yet.

Spy, I can see where you're coming from. But I also don't think now is a good time to push for Tammy. The scum argument has longer stretches than the town one and if we wait it out, the pieces can either fall together or not match at all.

[Hinduragi]

Been reading. Didn't feel like posting. Still don't, honestly. Can post pure gold when it isn't 5 am or when I'm not bored with this game. Also, Tierce, please make your posts more concise.

Zdenek-
It's pretty obvious. I don't think he's the type of player who would be dumb town that made a mistake.

It's a mistake or it's a gambit. Spyrex is saying it can be a gambit. That's why I'm assuming that viewpoint to explain my thoughts about it.

Tim- lolno.

Unvote; Vote: Toast

What do you think about the wagon on you?

[Hinduragi]

You can all thank me later

Aether: Tierce

Why did you think this was even a good idea after she had been called town by other people, had pretty much claimed and was one of the closest people here to confirmed town?

[Hinduragi]

Tierce are you bulletproof?

Really?

[Hinduragi]

And Zdenek, I don't even know what you're going on about. At all.

[Hinduragi]

I was gambiting. I went to get an oh you picture to reply to Vi and then I misclicked on one and this thing pops up telling me I have a computer infection and I should run something.

I have antivirus but I guess it wasn't good enough.

Oh ok.

Unvote; Vote: Oversoul

I'm fine with this.

[Hinduragi]

For the record, on the off chance scum have daytalk and whatnot, it's pretty obvious that we cant play dumb and pretend the different outcomes of this are non-existent. Don't be dumb and make a mistake when it gets to the late parts of the game please.

[Hinduragi]

unvote:

I did forget. I was preoccupied with the virus.

I think I did get some information however.

Oh this is escalating quickly.

That's what you came up with? "I got some info. This is looking grim"?

Right. Let's start off with the basics. What did you get from that and why did you do it?

[Hinduragi]

No. Alchemist isn't like him, which makes this THAT much weirder. You can look in Defcon 3 or past games and check it out. He didn't do any of this.

[Hinduragi]

Sorry, I confused you with Toast. It was in AV's game, RPG Mafia. Not sure if you were in 2 as well. Either way, you don't play like Tim.

[Hinduragi]

You are all just mad mine was so convincing

Stop trolling. Do you even realize that what you did was BAD in EVERY way a gambit could go wrong?

Show me a game that says you're a player who gambits often and it's comely of you.

[Hinduragi]

You seriously need to stop gambitting. After being voted scumvp in mortal kombat and catching scum by pure luck in that other game, I expected better. And I was asking for links. Finding the games and the exact parts of the gambits took ages.

[Hinduragi]

What happened to Tammy and why did she stop posting?

[Hinduragi]

What happened to Tammy and why did she stop posting?

For the record, I know you posted yesterday. But your activity here literally dropped off the radar compared to when you had a spotlight in things.

[Hinduragi]

I clicked it because I give no shits and could fix it anyways.

Nothing happened. For any of the ones that came up for me. I use Opera as well. So, uh, ?

[Hinduragi]

Why is GI scum?

[Hinduragi]

As far as I'm concerned, actual game flavor doesn't give out alignment in this game. And I don't know who Ike is. But I'm pretty sure I am either confused as fuck or 100% right in that the scumteam could be any independent group of people. Either way, just know that roles don't mean THAT much in terms of alignment.

[Hinduragi]

Yeah, that doesn't explain my role, why I'm town, or why I can do what I can do at all.

I read the Micaiah part before the weekend and I guess I outread past the parts of the story this game encompasses because I originally thought she was good just because she became the queen.

[Hinduragi]

Eager? When I called OS scum for his backtracking after supposedly shooting Tierce? Guess I can't vote scum when I see them then.

p-edit: WHAT THE FUCK IS ALL THIS TALK IF IKE AND OTHER NAMES?

Why is GI scum?

[Hinduragi]

Yeah, that doesn't explain my role, why I'm town, or why I can do what I can do at all.

I read the Micaiah part before the weekend and I guess I outread past the parts of the story this game encompasses because I originally thought she was good just because she became the queen.

Reread it 3 times because this didn't make sense. I thought Micaiah WAS the maiden. That's why this sentence is as fucked up as it is.

[Hinduragi]

Both of your cases fucking suck.

[Hinduragi]

Whatever that count is, it has gone up pretty fast lately. And it doesn't have anything to do with activity.

Edit:

Unvote

[Hinduragi]

To be fair, your gambit wasn't THAT bad in terms of the game's progression as a lot of reads came from it but it was bad mechanically and can go either way in helping scum or town in the long run depending on what happens from here on as a result.

[Hinduragi]

Vote: dramonic

[Hinduragi]

Ok, Im back and Im just going to do this the traditional way of catching up: with spam. (Seriously, I wont be making this any worse than it actually is, and at least my posts will be relatively short compared to some of the walls.)

What changed your mind?

Nothing. I told you I was taking on that point of view from Spyrex's post when I was explaining it.

Can someone explain all of the sudden dram-hate?

Dram isn't doing shit in this game. I voted you way back when because you were playing like shit and I wanted you to actually take it seriously. This is different.

He comes in the game complaining about the 1v1 bastardry being thrown around(mainly Tammy-Spyrex back then) then votes Tammy. You can look at his posts after that. None of them explain the Tammy vote. About all the content is basically flavor, mechanics, etc. with some jokes thrown in here and there. This is about the only explanation I found for his Tammy vote.

@Tammy: I'm voting you because I think you're scum. I'm jesting about the mad skills because in real life games I have a tendency to think someone is scummy and vote them for the next 4 game days.

No, Im not exaggerating, misrepping, etc. him. You can ISO him yourself if you want. And, after all of that, he pretty much voted Oversoul, not even commenting or showing he ready about anything that happened before "Im not Ike". He's been pretty much posting nothing but managing not to get caught out about it.

[Hinduragi]

I am very curious what is this GreyICE wagon.

^

I don't see it. At all.

[Hinduragi]

Thought seeing as Magister Ludi is still a main wagon I will concede that you people have been doing gods work.

Gamma is town on quickskim, as is Tierce and ofc Glork has reached heightened levels of "confirmed town always doc protect always love." So there's that.

....You can do better.

[Hinduragi]

This post really struck me as odd though:

Dont even care about saying Tammy is town even if I disagree.

The fact you've latched onto this UN thing when AT BEST it was pretty clear it was a lynch of necessity that may hit scum versus SCUM FOUND says something.

The fact you think you're the "backbone" when it looks like Tammy has waaay more of a fanclub then that slot deserves also says something.

How about this deal SpyreX:

If Tammy flips town, you sheep me tomorrow.

If Tammy flips scum, I'll sheep you until I die (which I don't expect to be long if she's scum, but thems the bones).

Take it or leave it, because I have you read as town, and I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you any longer.

If she truly believes I'm town, this is a bet that should never be made. And if she's scum, this costs her absolutely nothing. She knows I'll flip town, so she'll get her wishes fulfilled and Spyrex would sheep her tomorrow. If it is a fact that Uberninja is town, there's two mislynches lined up in a row.

Actually, I felt something was off about that post too. It keeps her safe regardless(Spyrex, you're town, so since I said that, you wont really think Im scum, right?) and it's similar to Defcon 3 where she was helping with some retarded scum QT code when she was scum.

[Hinduragi]

Hey Tammy.

Crazy ass Vi game

24 motherfuckers to mow through

Unlikely to be one scum team

Discuss.

Dumb post. You should feel bad for even thinking this way.

[Hinduragi]

SCUM Debonair Danny DiPietro: Blegh. Lurker I have the most issue with. The “GIVE SPYREX MY VOTE” comes 1) too soon, 2) allows DDD to blame spy for being wrong, 3) is illogical.

Why would town DDD not do this if he was feeling lazy? Also, LLD/UN/DDD scumteam? No.

[Hinduragi]

No wonder those reads seem weird. Toast was one of the top wagons when he made that post.

Unvote; Vote: Toast

[Hinduragi]

And MaguaoI is harder for me to give a solid because they voted me, I'm biased in thinking anyone voting me is scum pushing for a mislynch. Of any wagons with multiple votes, this is the one I would join.

I don't think Ludi should be the lynch today for this sentence alone. Next suspect please.

[Hinduragi]

vote: ludi

oh you

Moving your vote around when you know we're trying to get a lynch is hurting a lynch happening. Especially when it's just because he's spiting you. Stop being dumb Tim if you're going to be more active than me.

[Hinduragi]

What happened to D1 26 post quickhammers in Vi's games.

When they ended on getting a VT getting quicklynched, then a PR NK'd, and the PR's invictus kill ending on me, another VT, and an easy scum win because of a snowball effect. That's when.

[Hinduragi]

Meh. Toasty raged when I put him on lynch before too and he was town then. This is pretty similar. Yes, we need a fucking lynch. But it's dumb to lynch someone because you're too lazy to switch over.

Unvote; Vote: Dramonic

I'll also hammer Hippo or Nexus.

[Hinduragi]

I honestly skimmed and just looked at pieces of MoI's posts without reading in-depth for them. What's he doing that's scummy?

[Hinduragi]

So you're saying that you're willing to vote according to someone else's beliefs of who's scum and not your own?

Read the post again. It's the opposite. Why do you think MoI is scum?

[Hinduragi]

So you're saying that you're willing to vote according to someone else's beliefs of who's scum and not your own?

Read the post again. It's the opposite. Why do you think MoI is scum?

Hi.

Code: Select all

Dramonic
Nexus

[Hinduragi]

I'll hammer anything I don't have a townread on. This day needs to end.

[Hinduragi]

Implosion read is sort of interesting.

You're chasing the wrong thing. I can tell. Please stop clogging the thread.

[Hinduragi]

If the number was going to reset it would have done so already.

I really don't know about Oversoul being a suicidal townie. That seems dumb. It would make more sense that the scum get their kills on specific numbers, even. I can explain more on why this is more likely later.

Having read a Vi game or two, it's some funky hybrid mixture of quantity and quality of posts over time.

What? No. Try to explain why and why he would make another game with the same mechanic in a different form.

[Hinduragi]

If I ever vote Ludi, it's honestly just going to be to end the day and get this over with with a side of policy. I've meta'd him, iso'd him, etc. and just don't get a scumread.

[Hinduragi]

Also a couple of small meta-related things that I'm just noticing now after going over implosion's iso. I can elaborate if such is desired by someone who isn't Alchemist.

Can't hurt, right?

[Hinduragi]

Also a couple of small meta-related things that I'm just noticing now after going over implosion's iso. I can elaborate if such is desired by someone who isn't Alchemist.

Can't hurt, right?

Mainly just him calling Toasty 'scummy' instead of 'scum' in iso2, and him calling Toasty out directly after giving him advice that would only pertain to town, as well as him using many grey-words ('meh','bleugh', etc.) instead of black/white-words.
Basically, his posts are just really weak and many do not provide any real opinions. This is not what I have come to expect from implosion.

I'm down for close to anything at this point. The only thing I specifically recall from him is his voting/pushing dramonic.

Vote: Implosion

[Hinduragi]

If you look back, I already explained I voted you to make you change how you were playing.

[Hinduragi]

L-3. 2 more votes please.

[Hinduragi]

Unvote; Vote: Quilford

SWEET JUSTICE

[Hinduragi]

Alchemist is town, that's why.

[Hinduragi]

He does that to people because he likes to be annoying and abuse it. He's town because this is how he plays as town and I can ISO him and explain if he's about to be lynched or something but right now is not the time.

[Hinduragi]

I don't even know who I want to vote. Calm down. I'm reading.

[Hinduragi]

Im pretty sure the Wyrd kill was made by someone who probably thought they were a PR because of their lurking when said person knew they weren't in their scumteam. Little did they know Fate lurks on hydras because he doesnt check them often and he forgets about them and would still be active as a PR. That slot was pretty much guaranteed not to produce much until he remembered to keep logging into it/got interested in this game.

[Hinduragi]

Given the VCA and PoE done by others, I'd say singer, DDD, and Magister Ludi are the best lynches to choose from. Magister Ludi's FoS of me reads town for details I won't get into.

....Please actually read the game instead of looking at Vote Counts, VCA's, and PoE from others of all the fucking people. I don't think any of the people who are obvtown have even done one of those for fucks sake.

[Hinduragi]

Spyrex really isn't going to be lynched today. I've read him wrong in every fucking game I've played with him minus maybe Defcon 3 where he died before it mattered anyways so I'm actively avoiding that pile of shit. If anything, it's best to leave him for a vig or to lynch him when you have townreads(or a stronger scumread on him than anyone else) on all players in the game, himself excluded.

Been looking at the blue number like Tierce did. Obviously it's 1 of being - role related, mod-interaction, something that doesn't rely on the actual parts of the Day phase that we can physically see as far as I can tell because he specifically increased it between the Vig part of the night phase and the NK part.

1) Quil was a town read of mine
2) Hindu had promised to hammer
3) If Implosion was close to death too, I thought Hindu might wait before auto hammering.

You and I both know the VT claim was an insta-death.

Vote: TSH

[Hinduragi]

Oh, what the heck. Let's give this a shot.

I'd like one person from each of the following nations to come out and claim their nation name:

Begnion

Serenes

Goldoa

I really don't feel comfortable about this being claimed because of the scum wincon, the blue numbers, and given the abnormality and strange mechanics in this game.

[Hinduragi]

Given the VCA and PoE done by others, I'd say singer, DDD, and Magister Ludi are the best lynches to choose from. Magister Ludi's FoS of me reads town for details I won't get into.

....Please actually read the game instead of looking at Vote Counts, VCA's, and PoE from others of all the fucking people. I don't think any of the people who are obvtown have even done one of those for fucks sake.

This is a masterful out-of-context quote that attempts to construe me as not really trying. However, it still failed. In addition, you just moved from town to null.

By all means, direct me to even a SINGLE PIECE of your ISO where you discuss ANY of those three being scum or why they are scum asides from "VCA and PoE done by others" and HOW it is out-of-context when I quoted EVERYTHING you have said pertaining to those three.

[Hinduragi]

Huh no. You are not abusing my "I really haven't read yet and it will still not happen today" vote. Everything in its due time.

UNVOTE: Magister Ludi


Alchemist, Hinduragi was replying to Lady Lambdadelta.

What? No?

Yeah, it was where you thought I might not drop the hammer if Implosion got close to being lynched. I said you and I both knew I would as soon as Quilford claimed VT.

[Hinduragi]

Hindu feels off.

RPG Mafia. 3.

[Hinduragi]

Hindu, your role was effected somehow because you hammered correct?

Lulz no, I just did it because I wanted to hammer. I will happily claim my role if anyone wants cause it's dumb as fuck. I just won't claim my name in case I'm somehow part of the scum wincon.

[Hinduragi]

Actually, when massclaim comes around, we probably should do it via roles instead of names.

[Hinduragi]

I'm not going to bother going through the shenanigans with "who else" as the discussion it brings can be good/bad, etc. plus I've already alluded to this earlier and it might as well be said now.

I have some dumb as fuck option to render myself a one-way lover to someone. (As in, yes, you guessed it, I die with them but they can't die with me)

It's optional too. I had to ask Vi to make sure I read it right when I got it but I kid you not here. That's why, if I'm ever going to be lynched, and we know who the vig is or they're going to kill someone who we announce publicly, I can just make myself a lover to their target instead of wasting a lynch. It's a rare thing to have happen but it's better than just having this useless as fuck ability I never use. I don't know if it works during the day but I'm assuming it does as there's nothing that says I can't.

[Hinduragi]

Told you it's dumb as fuck. Welcome to Vi setups.

[Hinduragi]

You somehow managed to both "miss" the next two sentences in the original post you quoted, but also miss the meaning of "out-of-context". You cut out the part of my post that made it seem like I was relying on other people to do the work, and quoted that instead of the whole post.

Let me outline this for you. I'll list off your three scum suspects and what you said.

Magister Ludi - "he reads as town for details I won't disclose"
DDD - places a "temporary vote"(????????????????????????????????????????????????) and doesn't unvote(????????????????????????????????????????) and you have bad "feelings" about a conversation he had with Spyrex(????????????????????????????????)
Fascinating case.
Singer - "I'll investigate her later"

Please inform me how this is a case. Also, nothing you said about any of them explains why they're scummy. DDD placed a vote down, not a temporary one. He kept it down because he thinks Ludi is scum. You aren't presenting evidence. You're misinterpreting and then misrepresenting something very obvious. I would say that you pretty much relied on other people to do your work because the only thing that could even give you a proper read on someone was what you said of Ludi. And you read him as town, not scum.

[Hinduragi]

Dana's town but I don't give a shit. If he gets a wagon, I'm happily lynching the shit out of him.

[Hinduragi]

i'm not linking it to f2f shut the fuck up muffin man

Then where are you getting this from?

[Hinduragi]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: danakillsu

While I see that we're purging and that's fine by me, unless it's really inevitable, I'd like to go through other people first. I get that dana has support. But it's the wrong kind of support for Day 2 in a game like this, I think.

[Hinduragi]

I probably should make my self useful if I'm not gonna be here.

Vote: GI

UN vote is pretty bad and needs explaining.

OH MY FUCKING GOD

THIS IS SO BAD

HE'S CONTENT TO LET ME FORGET ABOUT IT

UNTIL HE REALIZES THAT OH NO, I FORGET NOTHING

AND I'M HERE, WAITING

JESUS PIG FUCK GUYS

This is starting to get old and fake now.

[Hinduragi]

If you really want to know why I'm not on Katsuki, it's because I read him as town. Big woop, he forgot you in this game, he's at SoL. When I was at The Reckoning, I wasn't exactly in tip top scumhunting shape either in regards to memory.

[Hinduragi]

You might want to go pick up some rum and scotch before I answer that question.

[Hinduragi]

Why's that? If it's because they didn't claim like somebody mentioned; I wouldn't claim if I were a vig in this situation.

No, because a vig in this setup shooting oversoul and wyrd is on such drugs they're more of a threat than an sk.

Seriously there's less shots that would have been worse than more shots that would have been better

I think it's pretty obvious wyrd was a mafia NK because they were the last kill N1 whereas Implosion was the first. NAR pretty much tells us that.

[Hinduragi]

LLD it is a good vote especially via Smug AND it can happen.

Oman first.

Also Glork finish.

If Oman is scum with LLD I'll be pretty sad with them both.

LLD is pretty obviously town. I got that read a while back when I was looking into who to vote. On the surface she's excellent but then you read the posts and suddenly you go "aw fuck I suck at this game".

[Hinduragi]

First posts in the game come in hardcore defending Tammy, a pretty easy lynch at the time. Goes in to TAMMYS wagon during that and says "prob 2 scum here" ON TOP of the defense. Next post is actual scumhunting. Goes in on next post saying something's town. This is literally post after post of pure content just for the opening posts. Within a 30 minute window. Spyrex calls her scum and she basically tells him to go fuck himself. After that, she went inactive. 1243 is pretty much an easy-town read unless she would gambit on something like that. And I don't see LLD as that type of person when it comes to a particular gambit like that. If you look back, she pretty much started the Oman wagon purely on rage.

Now, if you can even come up with something remotely scummy aside from "implo vote" or "deal with spyrex on tammy" please entertain me with it. However, I highly doubt it's comparable to any of this.

[Hinduragi]

Unvote; Vote: Oman

2052 is some biiiiiiiig pile of shit. Basically ignoring all good current wagons from some gay ass VCA that, for whatever reason, EVERYONE is suddenly doing because we have 2 scumflips and 3 townflips in a fuckin 29 player game(LOL), picking a couple people, and SOLELY lynching from that list.

[Hinduragi]

MOD - Please officially replace MaguaofIllusion with Magua

I'm done dealing with Prima Donna personalities who are happy to throw all the insults they wish but become 'EMO' when it is dished back at them.

You missed the entire point of the damn post.

We've got ????? scum. We've got ????? for a mechanic. We've got 29 people. 5 flips - 3 town, 2 scum. Ok, that's excellent. "There are 2 scum here" on a d1 wagon. In a 29p game. When I'm scum, I don't give a fuck where my vote is at the end of the day in terms of my partners. There could be 3 scum there. There could be 0. Here's the real lynching pool.

Alchemist
Teleporting Speed Hippos (AurorusVox + PeregrineV hydra) replacing AurorusVox pregame
Debonair Danny DiPietro
dramonic
Duplicity
Gammagooey
Glork
Avenging Angel replacing Haze N1
Hinduragi
Katsuki
Lady Lambdadelta
Magister Ludi
MaguaofIllusion
Nexus
Nikanor
Oman
GreyICE
singersigner
SpyreX
Tammy
Tierce
ToastyToast
UberNinja
danakillsu

How you should be limiting it down - reads. Take into account every playstyle in this game and how many of them are likely to DIRECTLY place their votes according to their partners' vote placement, show that to me, THEN make your assumption off of that because as I see it you threw some numbers that your head thought up in a post, said "here's some people", and voted one. I'm not just giving my opinion on your post; I'm calling it shit because that's what it is.

"If you accept she is Town there will be at least 1 scum in this group"
I don't even- Why is there at least 1 scum in this group

"Haze is Town. Scum aren’t going to be clustering together on a Town wagon more than they already are here."
And Quilford?

You didn't explain anything of why there was scum in any of the groups or give any background reasoning for any of it. In the end, you just used PoE from another part of the VCA that wasn't explained to get 6 people so you had a 1/6 chance of lynching scum, a lot of which have a lot of content and are generally on the town side of everyone's reads. You then just vote DDD, arguably the easiest and likely-to-be-least-contested vote of the 6. I can get that you tried there, but if it isn't half-assed, then it shouldn't look that way.

[Hinduragi]

Tierce, everyone realizes dana is town but he either isn't reading the game or he's putting so little effort into this he's almost as valuable to scum as a traitor. Most of the pushing for him is a policy lynch/vig.

So why would UN-town ever post this?

Dunno but if you look back I can recall a fairly good amount of people entertained the idea of multiple scum groups when it got brought up. I found it hard to believe but it wasn't just him.

Uhhh what?

MoI are you seeking someone specifically?

Where did this come from?

He DID claim D1, so rb's are waaaaay up here and


your theory is alllll the way down here.

[Hinduragi]

I'm pretty happy with the way this Oman wagon is going, but I'm hoping we can get some more support here and get more people on board. If you're not voting oman, I seriously ask you to consider why not and give his iso a read, (or read some of my posts), I think we can lynch scum here today.

Actually, Ludi is right. I was looking at that last vote count and I was baffled by a lot of the wagons, especially singer's since she's the only person on it.

[Hinduragi]

I'm really uncomfortable with Spyre's questions about the seekers... I just feel like the benefit he gains is not worth MoI giving scum the same information. I'm not saying I think Spyre is scummy for it (at least, not right now), but it makes me squirm a bit nonetheless.

I was thinking along the same lines but then I thought "what could the scum gain from this" and pulled blanks so I asked the other question that was bothering me about it

[Hinduragi]

Vig, I swear to god, if you're part of this wrong, you better damn well be making it right.

[Hinduragi]

Vig, I swear to god, if you're part of this wrong, you better damn well be making it right.

Hindu, is there a reason you seem against a Nexus lynch today when you posted this yesterday?

Code: Select all

Dramonic
Nexus

Meh. Toasty raged when I put him on lynch before too and he was town then. This is pretty similar. Yes, we need a fucking lynch. But it's dumb to lynch someone because you're too lazy to switch over.

Unvote; Vote: Dramonic

I'll also hammer Hippo or Nexus.

Yes, there is. From the way the wagon's going, the way Oman's wagon is going, and how Oman's been "the more likely to flip scum" in almost every comparison I've seen, I'm pretty sure Nexus is town.

[Hinduragi]

Hindu, who on the Nexus wagon is most suspect right now, and why?

Duplicity and TSH. TSH for obvious reasons. Duplicity I haven't liked the whole game and a part of that was his push on me that went nowhere plus his overall behavior to relatively stay on the sidelines but be involved minimally. Later in the game, I'm positive we've got at least one lurking scum among all of our townreads and some of that wagon will go under suspect then.

[Hinduragi]

Unless you're pissing each other off for game-related reasons, please fucking stop.

[Hinduragi]

In spite of that

My official stance on GreyICE's reaction is that he's a faggot.

Dammit, I always knew something was off.

Oh well, better get to looking for a new man then.

10/10

[Hinduragi]

Ok, so lurking didn't turn up anything I'm going to venture off on since that response is complete shit. Nexus and his claim/response are all pretty fucking terrible. I have no flavor background whatsoever but a main character as a doctor while in a game with multiple killing roles *is* possible, it's not something I buy, especially given his target.

With that said, I think it's best to leave him alive and pick up where we started on this in D3. The information that can come our way could clear him, something else might happen, and the Oman lynch does happen. "But hindu youre crazy we got scumminess abound here". Ok, great. And if you made a mistake, we just lost our only doctor. Think about it. I'm not saying this is fucking retarded but it's best to see if we can just hold out on it a little longer because we DO have the extra lynch to waste at this point in time and using it on a potential doctor just something I want to do.

[Hinduragi]

EBWOP

just isn't

[Hinduragi]

Let's not forget it's not just Glork who isn't all steam ahead on the Nexus wagon.

Also, Glork

And you are saying I can't read you
And you are voting me because you think I am scum...

This is partly true. The ITT part was implying he was town. But your point is he's reaching hardcore in his only point against you.
On second thought, nevermind, fuck it. I'll back this shit while we're in this part of town. Let's go.

Unvote; Vote: GI

[Hinduragi]

Doubt it.

[Hinduragi]

Trust me, it's best to ignore dana until either the vig doesn't get to him or the town comes to its senses and gives him his own noose for being that type of slot.

[Hinduragi]

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@GreyICE:

It's not so much that I have any particular worry of dying in this game, it's the fact that we're not going to lynch Ike at this stage. Oman/Avenging Angel replacements may CC Ike, sure, but in the meantime

you don't lynch Ike

. You seem to be pushing for Nexus's lynch or at least trying to convince Glork to hop back on, without voting for Nexus yourself. What's with this? Why are you playing devil's advocate?
(Though I guess that UberNinja is the one and only of my townreads I would slaughter with no regrets, so carry on god's work there.)

You hit the nail on the head.

Assuming the very limited doctor doesn't die, what day is his lynch back on the table? Because mechanics or not, no way does Vi let every major character be town.

I am very open to lynching nexus today, in case you're wondering. Two days ago I wanted to wait and see. I waited. Am I seeing?

Read my post on it. I talked about this waaaay back. The longer we wait, the more info we get from the claim. There are advantages to waiting, and it's easy to come back to this in 1 day, 2 days, even 3 days.

[Hinduragi]

Treating this game like a mini theme where the playerlist is something that's completely the opposite of the average mini isn't going to work, Tim. You can provide some reasoning of why it's not a bad idea to postpone the lynch and, better, why we shouldn't, or sit back while we lynch scum.

LOL IMPLYING IM NOT THE MOST TOWNIE PERSON IN THIS GAME GET A LOAD OF THIS JOKER

IMPLYING I JUST DONT HAVE THE WILLPOWER RESPOND TO THE DERPY THINGS DANA SAID

IMPLYING IM STALLING LOL

STALLING FOR WHAT

SENSE:
YOU HAVE NONE
THEREFORE
YOU ARE SCUM

And this is why you don't play with the exact same playstyle I mentioned above in a game like this.

[Hinduragi]

I'm wary of calling him town over this because ~THINGS~, though I still think he's town.

But townpoints for Grey.

If Katsuki can seriously look THAT retarded on purpose as a gambit then he had someone log in under his account to help him play this game.

Unvote

[Hinduragi]

No opinion on Nexus, other than to say that we /probably/ shouldn't be lynching the claimed Ike. While Vi is the type of person who would put Ike in as a fakeclaim, I think the likelihood of this is low when there is already a game mechanic that discourages roles like Ike from claiming their names.
Also, Vi hates cops, not doctors, but Vi has still used cops in her games in the past.

No Nikanor, no you don't. Now stop being dumb.

[Hinduragi]

Someone please explain how the Oman wagon has "built up too quickly" when it's at fucking L-6 and was started at the beginning of D2. I'd love to hear this.

[Hinduragi]

It's not even at L-6. Seriously.

[Hinduragi]

Yeah and if TSH is scum it means that, depending on the number of scum, either half or less than half of Shmugen's buddies were last on the Toasty wagon when he jumped on. Three scum in a row really isn't a lot in a 29 player game.

Someone please explain how the Oman wagon has "built up too quickly" when it's at fucking L-6 and was started at the beginning of D2. I'd love to hear this.

I thought it just started now
My IQ is like 70 okay give me a break.

It wasn't just at you, though. I know I've seen more than one person say that before.

[Hinduragi]

If that wasn't hammer already, I'll bite.

Vote: Nexus

[Hinduragi]

reaction testing

LOL

[Hinduragi]

What the fuck dude

[Hinduragi]

Even skimming to catch up, I didnt notice anything so you just went full dumb inthread.

[Hinduragi]

DDD dies. Not moving my vote.

What Tierce said is actually a pretty fucking good case on DDD town.

And also fuck Duplicity.

[Hinduragi]

Let me break down this wagon.

-Day 3 started
-Nikanor soft claims guilty result on DDD via a vote and some words
-Hot topic wagon and sheeping. A lot of "finally a lynch we agree on".
-Some extra evidence is brought to the front about how DDD avoided the Nexus wagon. That's great and all, but I wasn't on the Nexus wagon either and I certainly wasn't 100% sold
-Others come in thread, throw out the "lol wtf is the DDD wagon"
-Nikanor clarifies his vote was just a vote and pulls out on the "QUICKLYNCH DDD OR BUST" play

It doesn't even take common sense to see that something is wrong with this wagon. I know I'm not the only one.

Oh man. OOOOOOOOH MAAAAAAAAAAAN. Feels good to look at my past quotes when something doesn't feel right.

No opinion on Nexus, other than to say that we /probably/ shouldn't be lynching the claimed Ike. While Vi is the type of person who would put Ike in as a fakeclaim, I think the likelihood of this is low when there is already a game mechanic that discourages roles like Ike from claiming their names.
Also, Vi hates cops, not doctors, but Vi has still used cops in her games in the past.

do i have enough towncred to buy a bandwagon hop?

Unvote. Vote: Nexus.

let's find out.

No Nikanor, no you don't. Now stop being dumb.

Wait did I actually say that

well fuck now what do i do

nobody wants to lynch the guy I want to lynch.

The Oman wagon has built up too quickly to be on scum imo.

Someone please explain how the Oman wagon has "built up too quickly" when it's at fucking L-6 and was started at the beginning of D2. I'd love to hear this.

Whatever I guess we don't even have a choice anyway because there's no way that Vi is getting two replacements in a 100 page game.
Unvote. Vote: Oman.

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Like I have no fucking clue why nobody wants to lynch the Hippos. Do people actually think he is town?

@Nikanor:

ToastyToast (L-7) ~ Avenging Hazel, UberNinja,

SpyreX,

Debonair Danny DiPietro,

Quilford

,

Gammagooey,

Wyrd

,

implosion

, Teleporting Speed Hippos,

Shmugen

,

Hinduragi

Even if they could be scum, we are not lynching this wagon slot today. It would be three scum piling together here in sequence, with no one unvoting quickly before or after.

Do try to keep up.

Yeah and if TSH is scum it means that, depending on the number of scum, either half or less than half of Shmugen's buddies were last on the Toasty wagon when he jumped on. Three scum in a row really isn't a lot in a 29 player game.

I hope you're still following along with me right now. The best part is about to come. I hope you have your popcorn.

Being prodded means I can't really wait any longer for Pere's input on this, but based on what he said in the QT I think we're good to go...

We do not believe Nexus' BG claim

Why?
Because we have a BG role which works a little differently from his.
It is a small difference, but it matters enough to make us think that his claim is fake.
In fact, if it were HUGELY different, I might be more inclined to believe it was real.

Unvote. Vote: Nexus.

NOW can I do this?

Yep. YEEEEEEEEEEEP. You saw it here first, ladies and gentlemen.

Vote: Nikanor

[Hinduragi]

By the By, SpyreX needs to die methinks.

For the same reason Nik is town.

Nope.

[Hinduragi]

Actually I saw it first

Anyway the dichotomy is set, thanks Hindu

2ez

pedit: ddd, you aren't as good as me bro T_T

lolk

No dichotomy. Read more.

Nice mislynch, though.

pedit: WELP

[Hinduragi]

At L-1.

In a game where we have timed kills.

Doesn't claim.

Nah, die.

VOTE: Debonair Danny DiPietro

While you're here, what happened to the other heads' plan and whatnot?

[Hinduragi]

Hindu, I've changed my mind on TSH. As soon as he claimed, he became obvtown to me. My reasoning yesterday was that there was no way he'd do that as scum to get a mislynch on Nexus when most people have a town read on him and a scum read on Nexus. Didn't see the point in saying this in-thread because I thought it was fairly obvious that TSH was town because of that claim, but I guess it wasn't!

I've changed my mind that you're scum this game. We can and will walk this walk. You're missing a lot of those points in that post and it really is rather scary.

[Hinduragi]

The thing is I do think Nikanor is scum and I do have extreme reservations about this post

???

I'm not implying anything. I just really think that DDD is scum.

If you think Nikanor is scum, then there is no reason to think that DDD is scum. Look at yesterday. He was all for not going on Nexus but then changed his mind, forgot about it, and went back in. Changed his mind AGAIN, this time knowing about it and showing zero knowledge or acknowledgement of TSH being the one who revived Nexus wagon when he didnt think TSH was town, ignored most or all of their claim that did so, and was on Nexus again.

[Hinduragi]

The thing is I do think Nikanor is scum and I do have extreme reservations about this post

???

I'm not implying anything. I just really think that DDD is scum.

Then let's explore that space; give me a fighting chance Tim. I'm getting railroaded simply because of laziness, arrogance, and the fact that I won't play conventionally here when I know it's not in the town's best interest for me to do so.

You better have a good fucking reason.

[Hinduragi]

Wait wait wait

Like... seriously?

UNVOTE: UberNinja
VOTE: Tammy

She's going to tell you "you're one of those people I only post in games that I'm interested in". 10 bucks. Any takers?

[Hinduragi]

I'm calling hammer in that mystical world where Tammy gets lynched.

I HAVE DIBS

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Well LLD's been beating that drum so hard it oozes of ROLE INFO YOOO.

I just dont see Nik reciprocating?

Actually, yeah. I didn't read into that post much but I'd love to hear it otherwise LLD has terribad reads.

[Hinduragi]

She had a lot of heat D1

I don't see any sort of Pro-Town thought process gonig on from you here ...

Yes, Timeater is scum.

[Hinduragi]

By the way, throwing a shitstorm over nothing isn't differential between Tammy and her scum play. She also will vote her godfather D1 or D2 without thought. So vote away.

[Hinduragi]

What happened to Tammy and why did she stop posting?

For the record, I know you posted yesterday. But your activity here literally dropped off the radar compared to when you had a spotlight in things.

Oh gods...please don't tell me you're one of those people. I don't post in every game I'm in every day, especially if my real life happens to be busy at the time. And if one of my games is nearing deadline, which happens to be the case right now, I'm going to pay more attention to that game. :shrug:

You wouldn't say what?

[Hinduragi]

Vote: Tammy

[Hinduragi]

As of page 116, this wagon really grew on me.

[Hinduragi]

Unvote

There goes that idea

[Hinduragi]

First I'd like to hear more about "omg confirmable power" before the troll continues, what with Tammy already selfvoting earlier I think and being fairly new to the concept and all.

[Hinduragi]

First I'd like to hear more about "omg confirmable power" before the troll continues, what with Tammy already selfvoting earlier I think and being fairly new to the concept and all.

[Hinduragi]

GreyICE was willing to own his mistake of being on my wagon

?
how so exactly, he's still voting you and everything.

also i kind of hate trying to parse reads from other people because of wagons on themselves soo any words on greyice that don't involve that?

Agree with you but want to see what your reasons are and if they line up with mine. Also trying not to let Nikanor become a thing of the past amidst these changing winds.

[Hinduragi]

of D2, you were posting erratically, promising catch-ups, and ended up posting very un-Tammy-like. It raises eyebrows.

\
So, you read the Nexus back and forth too, right? That was the weirdest if I recall.

[Hinduragi]

UNVOTE: Tammy

I think I get it.

Day 1
Night 1
Day 2

Night 2

LLD thinks Nikanor is town.

Hindu, is this it--y/n?

I think I know which post youre talking about? But not 100%. If I'm right, though, y.

[Hinduragi]

LLD has done more than "think" Nik is town, she's heavily hinted at role knowledge

I think LLD is town personally but if she seriously has role knowledge about it, she needs to just come out with it. We've got plenty of roles out in the open already and I don't think it can hurt too much at this point.

[Hinduragi]

Why don't you ask me Tierce? Check out my site-wide activity. Every game was like that. I was busy. I am busy. Last week was crazy busy. Look Sundays and Mondays are extremely busy for me; I rarely even check in those days right now as I have so much RL work to do and it piles on those days. I can't believe you're faulting me for not reading the thread over a two-day period. Like, seriously?

What was I supposed to comment on with DDD? The thread wasn't locked so I knew he wasn't lynched. Why not wait for comments until I get to the end. I asked a question about his suggestion about massclaim because it interested me. Because I really don't know when the best time to massclaim is.

My calling you rolefishing scum had nothing to do with Glork and everything to do with you pulling up that I asked a question in a thread on Sunday night and voted me for it. I see no protown motivation for voting me for that. I can't logically believe you think I'm scum so the only thing I can think of is that you're rolefishing.

Hint: your activity is not the only reason for your wagon.

[Hinduragi]

@hindu- mostly i think the early katsuki tunnelling is more likely to come from scum-grey than town grey and him attacking nexus with a legitimately very good point about him

after

TSH called out nexus instead of before makes it more likely to be scum bussing once they know their partner is fucked. also his voting nexus who's probably town because we're idiots->voting alchemist->voting nexus again once he gets close to a lynch is bad even though i'm voting him way more for the first two things.

Look at his hop on Nexus specifically and the caps post. That's the real sticky part of his ISO, I think.

[Hinduragi]

But yeah, he's really something and I don't disagree. I just want to wait for a while because right now it's not exactly a big subject and meh, starting more wagons means this might end up like D1. I don't like replays.

[Hinduragi]

Check out page 116 and that giant overreaction. Also your "oh shit lynch inc" attitude is pretty bad considering you were all for selfvoting because you were mad over Spyrex posting.

[Hinduragi]

I actually agree and she doesn't seem opposed to it.

[Hinduragi]

fyi she's claiming to have a self-targetting ability with limited uses that can be used both during the day and the night

um okay

Dunno. Might be something weird with role interactions as well.

[Hinduragi]

Who's opposed to Tammy claiming right now?

[Hinduragi]

We aren't name claiming ever, I'm pretty sure.

[Hinduragi]

We aren't name claiming ever, I'm pretty sure.

Unless you have a fakeclaim of one of the main characters in the game, that is.

[Hinduragi]

Only one I can think of off the bat is a tree stump.

[Hinduragi]

I assume he's also waiting for the claim like me.

[Hinduragi]

What does Benmage think?

Tammy needs to claim given what she's already said.

Gamma said he doesn't want a name claim.

[Hinduragi]

I forgot about that. I want a vig on UN.

[Hinduragi]

I want to fucking hear the claim before she uses it. But ok.By now, it's obvious she wants to test the waters and I'll ride them all the way.

Vote: Tammy

[Hinduragi]

Tammy, honestly--I find it really iffy that, after reading the thread, you go on OVERREACTION MEGANUKE mode instead of addressing the rest of the events of the day. You completely ignored the wagon on DDDP, even though you were aware of it by Post 2701. What is your read on that slot? What is your read on others? Why aren't you voting?

No, uh-uh. You were willing to lynch me and started a bandwagon on me because I posted a question Sunday night to a thread. Why were you searching for site activity to find someone to lynch? Why didn't you read the two posts that I made to one game on Sunday night to determine anything before linking it here and starting my wagon? Was I under any pressure whatsoever here? Was there any objective reason for why you could think I was avoiding the thread?

From my view point Tierce, you look like you're coming up with shit reasons to facilitate a mislynch. I know you think you're so obtown, but obvtown people do not do what you did.

Can you please explain to me how in a game in which I can go 48 hours without getting prodded, I went less than that and somehow am scum for it?

You are making shit up right now Tierce and you know it. If you happen to be town, I'm really really sad for you because I thought you were decent at this game.

lol

Please vote Tierce.

[Hinduragi]

I would be more hesitant if there were a Oman quick-wagon today because 1) I think the fact that Nexus was scum lowers the chance that he is scum considerably

Why, because the percentage that 2 scum have been wagoned is less?
That's a fallacy because they were both wagoned anyway, and one flipping scum doesn't lessen the chances of the other being scum other than that it can't be that one scum, so the percentage went down like 1/x (x = amount of alive players), which is not "considerably" by any means.

There was a shitload of resistance to both wagons. Finally one went through. Saying the other is CONSIDERABLY less likely to be scum purely because of numbers and percentages is bogus.

This town has been pretty accurate so far; why couldn't 2 wagons have been on scum?

Btw, this does fit in line with the other instances of UN scum we've been seeing.

[Hinduragi]

Oman is probably town. He needs some revisiting later but certainly not today.

[Hinduragi]

Oman is probably town. He needs some revisiting later but certainly not today.

Why is he probably town?

For the exact reason you keep saying he's scum.

[Hinduragi]

Oh and erratic behavior? How does that equal scum? Please explain that to me. Like really?

Look at my case on Nikanor.

[Hinduragi]

Tierce is probably one of the best posters onsite. I wouldn't give a shit if she was 7 for 7 on scum(history bonus points if caught) if she wasn't a good poster.

[Hinduragi]

This isn't GD, guys. Seriously.

[Hinduragi]

Tierce is the best poster in this particular game.

Fixed because my wording was terrible. Now that we're past talking about dslasdfaskfka, back to the game.

[Hinduragi]

Nope! Uh-uh Tierce. I've seen you use that argument before. I'm not addressing you knowing that you're town. That's your scum tell there Tierce. If I were able to vote today, I would be. I hope you hang.

Tierce is scum y'all!!!

Seriously.

Did you vote her yet?

[Hinduragi]

I can't vote anyone.

Once I send the message to prove my role, I can't.

Soooooo....

you really ARE a tree stump?

[Hinduragi]

I can't vote anyone.

Once I send the message to prove my role, I can't.

Soooooo....

you really ARE a tree stump?

Reference

[Hinduragi]

when a brief quest through Vi's games will show you that scum PMs have similar syntax and that Vi creates town-format scum safeclaims on request.

The weird part about this is that Nexus didn't claim the ability name when even my joke role has an ability name.

[Hinduragi]

I fucking told you all yesterday.
In my big game summary.
That Tammy was a neverlynch.

And you fucking browbeat her into submission until she claims her character name?
Tierce and Spyre, you should be ashamed of yourselves (assuming Tierce is protown).
This is fucking embarassing.

No Glork. We didn't. Read her posts. We explicity said "claim your ability before you use it. do not claim your name". If you're reading the thread, most reasonable people are trying to keep it ontopic and flame-free. But that's not happening. Tammy did all this hinting at her role and not claiming/explaining after saying so after I unvoted. She got more wagon hops for it. It was unlikely she'd get anywhere near lynching but she needed it because she wasn't doing it even though most people posting thought it was a good idea at the time. The nameclaim was more of a "fuck you" addition to it for reasons that are beyond me.

Unvote

[Hinduragi]

I claimed weird engulfing power role that's purely fucking retarded. I can go and become a one-way lover with someone so I die with them. I've been entertaining the idea that I can use this during the day. And yep. That means I'll just have psuedo "suicide hinduragi" votes instead of an actual wagon and I can die with the day's lynch. Haven't checked with Vi(PM is sent since Im claiming this) but I don't see why I can't use it during daytime.

[Hinduragi]

Yes, but if we ever get to LyLo, either one person 100% has to trust me when I use it, both have to trust me in which case it's a regular LyLo anyways, or I'm scum. So it's not exactly a good ability for LyLo and there are a lot of 100% confirmables that are more suited for that. I'm sure that eventually I'm going to be a lynch or a kill either way so it should be brought up now rather than when I can get accidentally hammered.

[Hinduragi]

And it doesn't notify the person I love. That I did check on as soon as I got the PM. So I can't confirm myself except with death.

[Hinduragi]

SpyreX claimed to have no country.

There is more information to the Glork claim I believe.

In all honesty, I'm starting to doubt our 4-man 100% confirmed town team from Day 1.

[Hinduragi]

I don't think I get confirmation but that seems irrelevant unless I'm roleblocked(lol).

[Hinduragi]

I don't think I get confirmation but that seems irrelevant unless I'm roleblocked(lol).

It is very relevant.

How are we supposed to know that your ability failed (meaning Tammy was RB'd or is lying)?

Right now, we can't. When you asked earlier, I edited my PM asking the same, so we'll find out.

[Hinduragi]

If Tammy is using her ability at night could we use Hindu to confirm that she did in fact actually use her ability? She's town and uses the ability, nothing happens to Hindu, she's confirmed town. She's scum and is bluffing about the power, Hindu attaches to her, she's confirmed scum and we lynch her tomorrow; it sucks that we lose Hindu but we also kill scum.

Im pretty sure she's flipped as "Ducked out" via the mod. And tbh, I'd rather not die unless I have to.

[Hinduragi]

You aren't even voting Tierce.

[Hinduragi]

Like, really, if you were that convinced by my Nikanor post, it didn't show.

[Hinduragi]

I said I doubt the 4 man team. I already looked into Tierce and I think she's town. Wrong tree.

[Hinduragi]

Spyrex, I'm really starting to agree with you on that hiatus. This is fucking dumb levels of retarded.

[Hinduragi]

If Tammy uses tonight and Hindu targets well they either waste a RB there lalalala OR it confirms Tammy.

It wouldn't kill you if it didn't work right Hindu?

Also yes more UN voats are a good thing. I'm actively hoping that I get extra sweet powers and its a fuck you vig.

Idk? If she's rb'd, yes. If she's lying, it can't modconfirm her anyways. She said it was confirmable, meaning, I assume, the mod posts something about it. If she isn't lying and is rb'd, I won't die. The only way my death means something is if she gets roleblocked and no modconfirmation happens. So I want some fucking clarification via mod pm's before we go all "lol later hindu".

[Hinduragi]

Vi can't tell me if I myself get confirmation of my action going through.

[Hinduragi]

The thing that gets me is does Tammy even DIE or does she just go away "in flavor"? So many ifs about this and also I can use my ability at any point in the game whatsoever.

[Hinduragi]

Can't, Gamma. I looked at her D2 or N1 or something because I wanted to see about it and saw something that made me think she was town.

Vote: UN

[Hinduragi]

My point is that Hindu's questioning flavor, when it's apparent that there are people who aren't actually dead-in-terms-of-flavor who are dead-in-the-game.

I'm questioning if she actually

dies

explicitly, or if she just "goes away", doesn't proc my role AT ALL, and "wtf just happened" becomes the general consensus of thought.

[Hinduragi]

Can't, Gamma. I looked at her D2 or N1 or something because I wanted to see about it and saw something that made me think she was town.

Vote: UN

And yet you were willing to derp wagon me today.

You're very easy to get reactions out of and you were chilling and not claiming. There was no way I was not hopping on that wagon, no matter how many times I had to.

[Hinduragi]

Nope. You could've been scum after the activity jump, your reaction to the wagon, etc. More votes always help.

[Hinduragi]

You know what, yeah, I've been wrong. Does that mean you need to rub it in my face? Really? Look at what you're doing. That's been consistent with your general attitude throughout this game.

So, in all other respects, you're calm and reasonable and you research, but today you went FLASH WAGON AHEAD. Just want to make sure about that.

I will wagon anything at any given time.

Can you explain to me please the differences in your approaches for the days?

There aren't any. Lynch scum. Win game.

That last post. You know what. Fuck this shit. I don't have to put up with this. I've used my ability on you. Enjoy killing me.

[Hinduragi]

This game is unenjoyable in almost every aspect due to part of the playerlist just being crappy. I don't care if you're town or scum or in what world you thought it helped you play to your wincon. You ruined it for me and plenty of others here. Glork almost fucking replaced out just because of it. Spyrex is going on hiatus because of it. This game should've been fun. It's a fucking Vi game. While I get that we're all human, make mistakes, etc. etc., this is ridiculous and you should be ashamed of yourselves not as players but as members of this site.

[Hinduragi]

Implosion read is sort of interesting.

You're chasing the wrong thing. I can tell. Please stop clogging the thread.

So, was he chasing the wrong thing? Was Implosion the wrong thing?

If this is questioning my thought process on your wagon, why I'm on it, and not making fun of me being wrong, then I'll be damned.

I was on your wagon because it can't hurt to see where it goes and what Tierce said about your posts was true, albeit whatever real-world excuses come up, which I personally have, as town, been lied to by scum about(See LLD in Defcon 3 on Cryptography). Real life excuses don't mean shit and shouldn't play a factor in behavior in games. It was obvious we probably wouldn't get anywhere near lynch, because we'd already been there D1, DDD's quickwagon had just ended, and a lot of people like to take time and gather thoughts before quickwagoning again. Even Spyrex knew that. The wagon can promise scum coming up and had a claim that has been hinted at(scum hint at fakeclaims too for towncred in some cases) but isn't full revealed for whatever reason, especially yours.(See Tim's post about day/night role with the picture. That was actually pretty funny and, if you reread it knowing what the role actually was, it's even funnier) The claim obviously couldn't hurt and it was sketchy as fuck. Of course I'm hopping onto that wagon for the content it can produce knowing I can hop onto someone else's at any given time. What we got from it was we can probably confirm town. The other option is that you might be scum if the claim doesn't 100% roll on by or you got roleblocked(which, ironically means scum lose in using their RB on you, thereby keeping me alive to kill you, or keep you alive for the time you use your ability and let me die). Either way, there's almost guaranteed to be confirmed town for a day phase or more simply via roles.

[Hinduragi]

If you ever want to find out my alignment 100%, you can just action. The PM's already gone through. I got confirmation that Vi received it. So my end wasn't roleblocked(obviously).

LLD is someone I have a townread on. DDD is too. Their wagons are ones that would be 100% serious and 0% experimental. If I read you as town, I probably wouldn't have even opposed the wagon but just wouldn't have hopped on it.

And yes, I saw your activity before you posted. You were on for a part of a day.

I'm not reading anything that Tim posts for the rest of the game...or the rest of the time that I'm alive so don't really care what his picture was

That can be pretty bad. Tim's almost certainly town and his posts are going to be jokingly thrown around but he's right about stuff and when he wants someone lynched, it'll be actual content. He has jokes, but he does it in good spirit. That's better than I can say for other parts of this game.

[Hinduragi]

Sunday night. I was on for like 10 minutes Sunday night. If this game would have even entered my mind on Sunday, I would have used my role. When I got the role, I thought to myself how stupid I would feel if I didn't use my role the day I got it and was targeted for a kill. And, I went and forgot anyway, partly because I was busy and partly because I have a tendency to forget about my roles because I'm an idiot.

I'm not 100% clear on your role. I'm literally dumb when it comes to role issues. When I leave at night does that mean you're safe too?

When you leave, I die, thereby confirming you are town and not scum lying about your role.

[Hinduragi]

Cause my role's a piece of shit anyways and I can make you an innocent child for any day phase pending my death. Scum either can kill you or are forced to have an innocent child in the game.

[Hinduragi]

Nikanor, I know you're still here. Come out and play.

[Hinduragi]

I would rather die than go to LyLo in this game, especially when my reads have sucked.

[Hinduragi]

I'm at the point where I think UN is pretty likely to be scum, and honest to goodness feel that een of he is town, removing him from the game will benefit the rest of the town.

Kinda like when the town in Gay Mafia got rid of Umbrage.

This. Exactly this. That one piece of doubt that he isn't 100% scum is reassured by the fact that I'm making the game a better place.

If scum had the balls to fight me, there would be a 1v1 right now.

[Hinduragi]

3. Fuck, his claim looks townie.

What claim?

[Hinduragi]

No. Get your nameclaim out of this thread.

[Hinduragi]

And no, he never did.

[Hinduragi]

Here's the wincons we know are in the game.

Town - *As a member of the majority, you win when the Daein Resistance has been subdued and one person with this Win Condition still lives.
Scum - *Per Micaiah's plan, you win when one member of your faction is alive and the following roles have been removed from the game.

Your name might be on that list.

[Hinduragi]

if i get hammered you will all have hell to pay.

After reading the thread, I will double this offer if you do the exact opposite.

[Hinduragi]

Claim time.

Unvote; Vote: Spyrex

If the false positive/false negative actually has an effect on what these results are and we're about to lynch with them possibly factoring in, you should claim it. Otherwise, if it's explicity confined to your role and you can work it out by yourself and relay confirmed true results, it doesn't matter.

[Hinduragi]

Your discretion as far as I'm concerned, then, LLD.

I'm pretty sure I die. I don't 100% know but we'll find out. Also, it's a one-shot action that can be used at any time. There is no given period to use it in. If I had a 2-day delayed vig shot, I took it on N1, and found out on D3 that it was headed at our beloved princess, I can't just cancel it. At least, that's how I see it. It's like you using your ability then Vi processing it and you going "wait, I take it back".

[Hinduragi]

Fuck the claim. Run Spyrex into the ground and hammer long before he even reads the thread. I want to be on his wagon when he's scum for once. Ive never been able to read him for shit and this is sweet sweet justice.

[Hinduragi]

You know what's really bad is that I keep wanting to unvote, say Spyrex is town, and be done with it. But there is no fucking way I'm falling for this shit if he's scum. I just want it dead, out of the way, and done with. The ONE person in this game I'd lynch solely off of paranoia for "This is a result I cant tell you" results is Spyrex and now that the blood is in the air, this is happening.

[Hinduragi]

this doesn't defeatism doesn't feel like a valid scum straight for an evil-spyre

pedit; i guess hindu ill think about it

Read ASOIAF mafia where he played the entire town like a fiddle and shit on a cult that was dominating the game THEN come talk to me about what you think can be a valid straight for "evil-spyre". Fuck that shit, Im not even going near it. This. dies. today.

[Hinduragi]

this doesn't defeatism doesn't feel like a valid scum straight for an evil-spyre

pedit; i guess hindu ill think about it

Read ASOIAF mafia where he played the entire town like a fiddle and shit on a cult that was dominating the game THEN come talk to me about what you think can be a valid straight for "evil-spyre". Fuck that shit, Im not even going near it. This. dies. today.

Link fixed to actual topic.

[Hinduragi]

I understand he's saying "I want to be lynched. Let's roll. Complying" etc etc.' It can come from town enjoying this moment or from scum knowing this delays lynch and adds a bunch of derp to that feeling he's town.

4 votes up in the air and bring them down like the rage you should always embrace. If you seriously want his reads, those are pretty fucking obvious by now and anything that he hasn't mentioned isn't super special.