Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[SpyreX]

FWIW, I'm on FIRE AND HATRED mode. I am not going to spend early days in a 28-slots/32-players game trying to defend people who will be constant lynch ponies and can't be trusted to hold up their end of town play in later days. Scumhunting > trying to save derpy players from a lynch.

This means: either shape up and look townie, or don't trust me to defend poor play even if I don't find it scummy. I don't have the patience nor the willingness to defend that crap in a game this size.

Most of this playerlist is capable enough to not need hand-holding, anyway. But I thought I should warn about this because there might be a meta-shift from me.

SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE.

/ur-quan


PEdit: O hai. Complete bullshit list.

UNVOTE: Wyrd
VOTE: Quilford

I'm not gonna lie and you managed to get me a little paranoid but this is so beautiful I have e-tears.

Will you be my secret bff?

Unvote, Vote: Tammy

Fake smarm deathwagon goo

[SpyreX]

I DONT GET A HI HINDU

WHAT

[SpyreX]

Or tammy who actually is being slimy

[SpyreX]

Sup gamma vote Tammy

@ Spyrex - There's a difference between slimy and bitchy, but you're so awesome at reading me if I believed in self-votes I'd sheep you too.

Thats all well and good except for:

1.) Nothing reads "bitchy" there even a little bit.
2.) This being a little thing everything else considered and your reaction there is super mega awesome.
3.) Missing the 100$ question if you were actually curious of "what is slimy about it"

Also we can skip the middle man and a high five for whomever turns UN into dust "HOW COULD O AND P GET CONFUSED ITS NOT LIEK.... THEY ARE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER ON A KEYBAORD VOAT"

[SpyreX]

No we're getting way ahead of ourselves and lets get back to the basics:

3 pages I've used the words fake and slimy to describe Tammy.

Now, there's a lot of reactions but MOST of them should involve some kind of "why am I slimy" or even /omgus or what have you.

What DOESNT happen is some kind of weird bitchy=slimy=smarm playing a

deflect like there is merit to it

. And I, more than most, am not one to even whisper the horrid words of meta but when someone goes ohh you can read me soo well like there's a history that I sure dont know about welp.

Also UN, graves tonight, dead serious.

[SpyreX]

Ohh Tierce its happened already. LET THE HATE FLOW

But I wanna play a game:

What's up with going all overexplainy with your RVS vote?

vote: Zdenek

And what's up with the meta warnings? Just a heads up I won't be playing like I normally do, but it's definitely not because I'm evil, it's because... Seriously, not because I'm evil though, definitely not that!

What's "bitchy" here?
Or "sarcastic"?

I see backhanded smarm directed specifically at, and only at, Tierce's statement of not playing the white knight anymore (GOOD). Which isn't even remotely a hurr durr I dont know why I'm ~changing my meta~.

Which makes this throwaway question in the best of worlds actively worthless.

And you can laugh all you want but if we're gonna play "aint no case on me bro " I'll show you damn good and well you should care about it because I will cajole, backrub and flat out browbeat a lynch on you if I have to.

But I doubt it'll take that much.

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@Glork:

You think she's fakin it? I was paranoid UNTIL the UN callout.

[SpyreX]

What's your problem? I don't care what you see. I saw

people

saying "I'm not playing to my meta, so don't expect me to be the same." I had a reaction to it...who fucking cares? And why the hell are you white knighting Tierce over it? You think she can't handle herself or answer for herself? Did I even vote her over it. Cuz seriously, you need to chill out.

Who.

What

people

?

And how in the hell would that be "white knighting" Tierce when its has very little to do with her specifically and everything to do with you?

I think she'd call out UN's playstyle regardless of her alignment. Widespread frustration with a player is not limited to alignment.

Like that? Ehhh

Of course that being genuine isn't really the bigger issue. I'm missing whatever the deal is that has you snipervision locked.

Because I'm seeing throwdown into smarm-defense into defensive aggression and that paints a picture I'd like dead, dead, dead.

P-Edit: Wooosh

[SpyreX]

Tammy's vote. Surprising no one and back to pretending to not care.

[SpyreX]

Tammy man, Tammy.

I have no beef with Glork and always have liked the cut of his jib. I'd like him to explain this one because I'm missing it and the left-field contender sure looks like they could use some time in the locker room.

(the locker room is a rope)

[SpyreX]

The fact that posts thus far in which you place a vote make me want to shoot you in the head disturbs me, but we roll with it.

[SpyreX]

You're the one in the last post said it was backhand smarm directed towards Tierce not white-knighting people anymore, so obviously to you it had something to do with Tierce. You don't get to now play dumb now and act like it didn't. Also, do I have any knowledge of Tierce's white-knighting meta? Oh, stupid me, no I fucking don't, so you're reading implications into her statement that you believe I perceived that I didn't.

Swing and a miss.

I said it was backhanded smarm at the idea of changing their ~metas~ for no reason. Tierce was explicit in what she was changing and why.

You dont have to have outside knowledge to read the words she put saying

exactly that

.

I'm not defending anyone. I'm saying directly that your comment was a throwaway vote and smarm

that if you actually believed mattered

would have been more than smarm.

I flat out missed Alchemist's post in my reading so I take back the "people" part of it.

Holy hell I missed a whole wall of words
That actually makes it make even LESS sense that your vote ended up where it did instead of on one of two people you thought were "pre-emptively defending" themselves.

[SpyreX]

Ohhhh Ludi Ludi Ludi.

I've got them town warm fuzzies but you're barking up the wrongest tree in regards to what DDD was saying to Glork.

@Glork:

Lets try this a different way:

Am I crazy and if so why?

Double @Glork:

I know multiple people have been having that issue. Check site ideas maybe?

[SpyreX]

Ehh this claiming doesn't bother me in the intrinsic sense. Although if they're gonna go for it I'd almost rather them go whole hog.

[SpyreX]

Waiiit now I'm having a lapse.

Roles and not PLAYERS?

[SpyreX]

PEdit: Character(s), in my case. Equivalent to roles/players considering it's one each.

I'm tired so I just want to make sure I've got this right:

You & Glork are looking for:

Baazelbub, Terror of the Sands

NOT:

A Roleblocker and a Vig

[SpyreX]

@ Alch: Ohh you better post it.

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@ Dram: Dont you start the at me. I know FE at least passingly well BUT far more importantly I know mechanics and yes there's a chance this is some kind of super secret scum ploy but if its legit rolling the dice and going hog wild has the potential for FAR more upside than dancing around. Rolling the dice and saying "Hey I'm looking for X" might reap some nice rewards and having both parties out in the open if its not SUUUPREEME scum gambit N1 in a large is just asking for the scum to get some fat sacrifices.

Or, to put it a different way:

If I had a role that I was looking for someone I'd probably start out subtle but when that didn't work yell at the top of my lungs for my homey so we could get bashing.

[SpyreX]

I'll honestly be surprised if that list for scum isn't redonk-large for pure balance reasons. Large enough that I think we're making some sillies up in worrying THIS much about it.

I would like to not sit on the pot and either flush or just get up though.

[SpyreX]

You sir are a gentleman and a scholar and that is wonderful.

Although "Tammy's got spunk?"

[SpyreX]

Godspeed with that because that one doesn't even begin to make sense even from a sense-baseline under the curve.

That beautiful picture is a good lullaby for sleeping though

[SpyreX]

What part of this post makes you people think that Tammy is scum?

(For those who don't like to read things, I bolded the sections I found to be particularly good at outlining the issue.)

Except, as you've seen, both are patently not true and they never were true.

[SpyreX]

Spoiler: Totally Doesnt Care Promise

@ Spyrex - There's a difference between slimy and bitchy, but

you're so awesome at reading me

if I believed in self-votes I'd sheep you too.

@ Zdenek - [Redacted] right back at ya! I still don't like the way you overexplained your entrance and your vote. However, I liked your Post 42 and Post 43. That you actually went and checked for the truth of what he said demonstrated town intent, and I liked your approach hence the sheeping. Dram hasn't even been in the thread yet, of course I don't think you've got the vote on scum silly.

What's your problem? I don't care what you see. I saw people saying "I'm not playing to my meta, so don't expect me to be the same." I had a reaction to it...who fucking cares? And why the hell are you white knighting Tierce over it? You think she can't handle herself or answer for herself? Did I even vote her over it. Cuz seriously, you need to chill out.

Who gives a fuck if my throwaway question was worthless. Your stating that I'm slimy for it is worthless in and of itself.

As far as getting a lynch on me goes...bring it on bub. Don't care.

Better players than you

have tried to get me mislynched and failed. You seem to think I'm an easier target than I am. If you're not actually interested in looking for scum, that's your thing. And if you succeed, why I'll send you a gold star for being the first to make a mislynch on me a reality; it's got to happen sometime. :shrug: *Let the games begin!*

Answering your questions Tierce:

I don't have a static playstyle, by game or day, so I don't know how to answer this question. Seriously, I'm rather temperamental, and even though I play analytically mostly, my play style can vary widely by day, hour, or mood. I have general attitudes that you can read me by, but that's probably as far as you can get unless you watch me closely and know me well.

But, the fact that you came into a game and announced that you'd be different...and that

you had a lapdog rounding up votes

against the one person who called attention to it? Fucking droll. I don't care what the hell meta you round up to prove your intent people can manipulate it. I don't care what type of dispersions you cast against me because I say it's BS. I'm not gonna tell you why I have a town read on Glork anymore than I'm gonna tell you why I have a town read on Zdenek right now. I just fucking do.

Answering your questions Tierce:

I don't have a static playstyle, by game or day, so I don't know how to answer this question. Seriously, I'm rather temperamental, and even though I play analytically mostly, my play style can vary widely by day, hour, or mood. I have general attitudes that you can read me by, but that's probably as far as you can get unless you watch me closely and know me well.

But, the fact that you came into a game and announced that you'd be different...and that you had a lapdog rounding up votes against the one person who called attention to it? Fucking droll. I don't care what the hell meta you round up to prove your intent people can manipulate it. I don't care what type of dispersions you cast against me because I say it's BS. I'm not gonna tell you why I have a town read on Glork anymore than I'm gonna tell you why I have a town read on Zdenek right now. I just fucking do.

How does this answer my questions?

What I really want to know from you is:

1) Why you had/have a townread on Glork since RVS, which you're refusing to do;
2) Why you self-voted when you said you don't go for self-votes;
3) Why you chose SypreX as scum over me after that self-vote.


I don't give a damn that you think it's over-explanatory. I could rant about the subject of whiteknighting in my meta for hours, and people here know I would/have done so. Christ, go ahead and look through my games. You can see this shift coming from miles away.
You were supposedly sheeping Glork over my meta explanation--but Glork wasn't voting me on meta to begin with. You haven't even touched the points on me that were making Glork-your-townread uncomfortable.

You're complaining that you were a 'lapdog' being wagoned while I made a declaration of meta change (I... don't control how the votes fall on you? I'm not an ironfist and I wasn't voting you, so what exactly did you want me to do about the wagon on you?) but the only thing you're raising against me is "overexplanation", which is not a scumtell with neither you nor me because we are both known to soliloquy from here to tomorrow

as town

. The fact that you started raking up votes while I went on my own personal sidequest of Hatred And Loathing For The World--in your mind, how are they correlated? You clearly think they are, so who is the scum that was making sure you grew on votes while you raved against dram?


This just doesn't add up. Last night I was left wondering if you were drunk or something; your posts don't really make sense, and as I said before, I know you can do better. You're not explaining your reads outside from me, the only reasoning you're presenting for Tiercescum is that you think I'm overexplaining things myself, and--it doesn't work like that.

1. I'm not in the habit of explaining my town reads. And besides, I

can't

right now. Deal.
2. I was annoyed and being impulsive...did I mention I'm temperamental?
3. I was even more annoyed, and giving him the OMGUS he said I was supposed to give him earlier.

I don't think he's scum...just a fuckwit.

Not gonna look through your games; I don't have the time to root around in people's meta and I'm not going to do it. I deal with what I experience in game and personal experience and that's it. The only two votes that had any significance that I made yesterday were the votes on Zdenek, which was due to what I thought was a weird entrance, and on you, for your explanation over your change of meta. Whoever else I voted for was purely for sheeping or just cause I felt like it at the time. :shrug: As far as my posts not making sense, well, I've been told in the past that at times I become a bit less rational when I get in defensive mode. It happens.

Hell thats probably not even ALL of them.

But, yes, this reads like a litany of "I dont care promise"

[SpyreX]

Errrr what?

I dont think it was her

intent

for there to be any attention.

That doesnt change the result of it. Not scum intention, but scum mindset.

In some kinda irony overload youve landed your vote on someone that statement would absolutely apply to IF that statement actually had depth.

[SpyreX]

You cant conceive of scum fabricating something to try and generate suspicion (meta the self defense) and then when getting called out on it going from fake not-caring to Xtreme indignation?

Whaaaaa

[SpyreX]

But we're back to that being ~THE PLAN~ which I'm pretty clearly saying isn't and wasn't the case.

Sometimes scum have plans and they backfire.

Sometimes scum get heat for something small and rage like a trapped animal.

I'm saying this is the latter.

[SpyreX]

LLD, of all the things to attack in UN's play, I'm surprised you're not mentionning the fact he JUST screamed "TAMMY IS TOWN GAIS" while having a vote sitting on her <_<

UN, you have to either bus or buddy tammy, you can't do both at once that's way too obvious man!

.....

siiighhhh

Unvote, Vote: UN

[SpyreX]

Because in my gut this is bad BUT its happening AND I just love fighting tooth and nail to watch it get waaaashed away because ~mysteriously~ it never seems like they DIE AT NIGHT LIKE THEY SHOULD

[SpyreX]

Spyrex – given the scum wincon why should Post 139 not be met with immediate rope?

Ok its time for far more words about this subject than they deserve.

Lets assume that its a unified scumgroup AND that is their wincon. Hell we will make it easier and assume there is no third parties or even vigs. 1 kill a round.

How many scum would you expect? 6-7?

If thats the case there is absolutely no way that list is less than 11 at

minimum

. Further, that list is going to contain some seeerious business thats gonna HAVE to be taken out via kill and not pray for a mislynch.

Third parties? Vigs? That number is going to go

up

.

If its AT something like 11? Well then I would bank on the town having enough power to balance for missing multiple theoretical days.

THAT SAID:

Even if it WERE the case I flat out deny the floating background theory that this is a scum move tryin to make it easy - especially by both of them. D1 in a setup like this its tantamount to death in a myriad of ways tryin to throw out the seeker claim.

I think they are both town but I will unequivocally say that there is no chance in hell both of them are scum that possess that wincon. No way.

My statement still stands and it will stand forever: saying they are looking for someone doesn't bother me. I wish that if that was the route they were going for (in all scenarios in which they're assuming who they are looking for isn't ALSO looking for them) they'd have either kept quiet OR just rolled the hard eight and said who it was. The middle ground doesn't help near as well.

On a related note to that its a little personal reflection time: I am not good at scum. That little icon I have? Its because I could sit and just fuel the fires of paranoia very, very similar to this wincon business we're seeing already. I'm absolutely waiting with baited breath for the inevitable "But blahblah claimed DEATHMACHINE ENDER OF WORLDS I BET SCUM BE LOOKIN FER HIM"

[SpyreX]

Whaat

Waiiit now I'm having a lapse.

Roles and not PLAYERS?

That makes it pretty clear all along I assumed it was normal world and they were looking for players. Tierce kept using the word role like a crazy person which made me take a doubletake.

Then, after that was resolved, it was clear I was right in what I was originally thinking and I'm still holding to that so how in what universe is that backpedaling?

[SpyreX]

Yea?

I didn't think I really needed to spell out this undercurrent of SCUM HAVE TARGETS TO KILL would require more explanation than... none. Because it shouldn't.

Or, to put this a different way: if that wincon wasn't listed do you think 1.) there'd have been any issues or 2.) the game would be unbalanced by us not knowing?

[SpyreX]

EBWOP: issues in regards to Glork/Tierce saying they're looking for people.

[SpyreX]

<3

[SpyreX]

Yeeeaaa Alchemist is town that aint happenin

[SpyreX]

UN said something that 100% conflicted with his actions. Yes, there's an easy fucking target. If it was a newbie game, I'd expect more people to go "shit, that's weird, let's vote him" but this isn't one of those. Here, everyone knows scum would be more careful about theri posting, especially if UN is scum and did something that bad. Yes, it's possible he's scum. But, given his rep, it's also possible he's just dumb town who fucked up a vote. I'd lean towards town.

Here's why I LOVE ME SOME META

Hindu, If I, or Glork, or you, or DDD, or hell almost anyone pulled "gee golly gosh I dont know where my vote is" would you buy it?

Yep. Exactly.

Am I convinced UN is scum? Not by a longshot. Watching this new mimicry of the Tammy Sweet Moves (TM) after calling her town doesn't do a lot.
Would I rather, much rather, UN eat a bullet and do something real and serious today? Hell yes. However as soon as dram pulled that out it was absolutely apparent where things were gonna go and while not ideal

its not a bad thing

.

IMO quite a bit of the people saying she's scum are just sheeping what a few people have said, and now the argument has snowballed into WELP tammy is autoscum. I just dont think all the people on Tammy have been entirely honest with themselves about it.

I'm honest about it. It was disingenuous and the replies varying for pff cant catch me bro to fake indignation to even a self vote and even that glomp onto SPYREX WANT ME OMGUS QQQ is absolutely bunk.

[SpyreX]

To crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and hear the lamentation of their women

[SpyreX]

No seriously what kind of question is that?

The goal is the same as it always is: to win and have fun doing it.

[SpyreX]

No if we did that (because its a stupid gambit) you'd jump on that as a screwup because

we know better

.

I'm saying nothing about UN says he doesn't know better. He can pretend to not care but good lord

[SpyreX]

Is the goal to lynch scum or to lynch derp? I've already admitted that I derped. But does that seem like something scum would derp on to you? Good lord man.

You're painting it like its an either/or.

Derpin, Lurkin what have you are independent circles on the Venn Diagram.

The problem is, unless aside from those you get

firmly

locked into the town circle then you've gotta go. Oddly enough, derpin et all make that harder by their nature because forgetting where your vote is is the kind of mistake scum can make when they dont actually care where there vote is at.

I dont particularly want you lynched. However, unless there is some benediction from on high I do want you dead.

Unvote, Vote: Tammy

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Pffft anyone is lynchable and Glork suffers from the worst of the worst issues as scum so it'll work itself out.

[SpyreX]

I didn't even notice the 0.

Now I cant unsee it.

I also am a doublevoter in your vote count.

I have a total guess on what that 0 is for but we'll see.

[SpyreX]

Not going in detail on a town read Ludi, especially not one in danger of rope.

I'm assuming when you ask about the Tammy wagon you mean not me Glork.

[SpyreX]

Nik I HAVE TO METNION

Ehh its all good. Although I'm still pretty damn sure alch is town.

Spy especially so for contradicting attitude/action but for now.

Que?

[SpyreX]

Mentioning this means that nobody's going to use it against me right right?

Thought I quoted that my bad.

I'm starting to lean away from UN more and more - he made one of them bad secret towntells TM

[SpyreX]

I'm not sure about Tammy, think she's leaning town and certainly don't disagree that all the meta discussion was cloggin up the thread.

Noooooo

Once again, it wsn't that. Tammy fairly explicitly said it was them saying ~meta changes~ was a pre-emptive defense because they were scum.

Then voted rollerblades

[SpyreX]

You're not gonna like it so I'd rather not start that whole diatribe.

If you REALLY need it sure but lets not for now and just call it informed gut.

[SpyreX]

Suspects, aside from UN and Tammy?

Ehhh.

UN probably not scum even if unbelievably frustrating.
Toasty seems like he's testing the waters but I can't put a bite on it.
LLD is the other eye raiser.

I feel like there's just swaths of the game missing. I've got some GOOD town reads but Tammy is the standout scum.

[SpyreX]

Ohh Gamma <3.

3. spyre is the type of player that can explain anything away given enough time. the fact that he felt the need to elaborately explain his actions given the specific set of circumstances that led up to that post, and his subsequent reactions (he really had to think about that <3 post, he was spam posting like a mo'fucka before it) lead me to believe he's probably scum given how it does not fit in with his general off-the-cuff style he demonstrated at the beginning of the thread and continues to demonstrate.

The explanation was more for EVERYONE than out of any worries about it making me look "bad". Watching the undercurrents of tinfoil start now isn't a good thing - and by tinfoil I mean that THE SCUM ARE TRYIN TO KILL NAMES MAAN.

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I can

kinda

see Ludi - way, way more than Alchemist. The deailo is out the gate scum trying to hard? Especially if like the Wyrd surmises every wagon is on town? Ehhhh

If it comes down to some kinda bizarro world Alchemist vs Ludi rage in the cage sure but:

Not Voting: implosion, Katsuki, Nexus, Oversoul, GreyICE

Wyrd be right about this and something tells me at least one or two of these suffer from select inactivity.

And this is assuming that Tammy doesn't get roped which I still want.

[SpyreX]

- I think Ludi is scum and from what I gathered Shift agrees, Ludis posts have been very fluff/fillerish with a lot of his questions and focus not really looking as if he's scumhunting but rather just attempting to appear as if he's contributing. His push on Timeater is also terrible and comes across as an OMGUS on a weaker player that's suspecting him. I want SpyreX's town-read on him explained.

I kinda went into it before but it just doesn't mesh right for scum to be that active at this point especially when they're putting fingers into all the pies and (duh) making enemies every which way. There's SOME of it I dont necessarily agree with but it still smells like trying to do stuff.

Its not a solid read by any means BUT there's a whole lot of avenues that are way more likely to net scum. Overall I agree with MOST of your post.

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Singer's Magua + SpyreX scumteam combo is suspect because on top of the half wrong at best I cant even SEE the pretend connection in his one whopping post.

LLD's every post is just reaffirming that pit of stomach feeling.

I'm pretty much resigned to throwing my hands up in the air about Tammy and instead praying to dark deities to do it for me. If thats scum you bet your ass there's gonna be blood for it though.

[SpyreX]

Scummm

I'd probably want your bullet to visit her instead

[SpyreX]

Dont even care about saying Tammy is town even if I disagree.

The fact you've latched onto this UN thing when AT BEST it was pretty clear it was a lynch of necessity that may hit scum versus SCUM FOUND says something.

The fact you think you're the "backbone" when it looks like Tammy has waaay more of a fanclub then that slot deserves also says something.

[SpyreX]

Ohh that whole post was at LLD not you UN.

You've been drunk on cheese whiz but, like I said, pulled a secret town tell TM thats enough I'm ok with you for the time being.

I'm really waiting for the Tammy-smarm and sarcasm is you go girl and the UN-smarm and sarcasm is THE SCUM though.

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Errrr considering Tammy's not getting lynched that's a blue moon nonsense business.

[SpyreX]

Nah its pretty normal apparently.

Just look at it cross eyed and remember I'm bitter and it'll make sense

[SpyreX]

Unvote, Vote: Toasty

[SpyreX]

Why do you have enough opinion for "leaning scum" but not enough for an opinion aside from null even if you have reads?

[SpyreX]

Tammy, even if she's not scum, still isn't town.

Just throwing that out there and that makes the basis of ANYTHING revolving around ohhh SpyreX so bad Tammy so good absolute crackerjacks

[SpyreX]

Woo pages. They got skimmed for now.

I'm out for the day so I'll address MoI nice and succinctly:

The concern about "the list" drastically altering play is retarded. Every bit of that pile of farts above is a function of worrying about that. So, ipso facto, you're doing exactly what I said was going to happen this game which is dumb as rocks.

And I never said just claim role. I said I'm waiting for someone getting strung up rightly so to claim something that causes the wagon to dissolve under "well thats a name scum are probably lookin for herf herf".

I'm hoping, HOPING, that Tierce gets team hammer bros to find her directly as a function of her claiming today and, like I surmised, it is directly and actively useful for town so this mantra of hurbablabala nameclaims are bad when the claiming of names has a direct benefit can get stuck in your gullets and you choke on it.

Seriously I can't fathom not understanding the difference between "claiming names as part of a mechanic" and "claiming names because ???" because YES the latter is dumb because it is unnecessary but the former? wheeelde

[SpyreX]

First off, bit of a nonsequitor here - Mafia is a SOCIAL game. I play it SOCIALLY. Mafia is NOT a game of chess. I just wanted to say that. Okay moving on.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=9621

Your move :smarm:

Probably not posting for real tonight. Maybe

[SpyreX]

Pffft anyone is lynchable and Glork suffers from the worst of the worst issues as scum so it'll work itself out.

Ohh Glork I called this madness. CALLED it. <3

(Not that you're scum, but that this hulalbaloo would start. I'm impressed that it was on D1 though well done gentlefolks)

[SpyreX]

Sigh

Hopefully the third visits Glork for SOME prizes.

SEE what coy does. Makes dumb happen

[SpyreX]

You get NOTHING for finding each other?

[SpyreX]

I'd be really, really surprised if there was no prizes for finding each other.

But dont matter now.

I'd also be really surprised at scum WATCHER - meaning that superdupes needs to go give Glork a backrub, not the other way around

[SpyreX]

If it makes you feel better I'm so irritated Im no fun and Nu is playing houdini

[SpyreX]

She was town from the minute she wanted to put a hammer in your brainstem.

BUT SO IT GOES

[SpyreX]

Yea I'm pretty confident in Uber-town.

I'm always down for an MoI lynch since I love spite.

[SpyreX]

That was stupid un stupid

[SpyreX]

I dont have the energy.

Glork:

Can you do a quick runthrough on who freaked the ass out about you & Tierce "nameclaiming" and who hasn't missed a beat about the fact slappywags here flat out did so AND the fact that of all dumb gambits this one actually had relevance in the "Ike is probably a target" land?

Cause I dont remember seeing too much of that version of hate instead of the lazy kind

[SpyreX]

Help me salvage from it Glork at least the nugget there is

[SpyreX]

Also the "virus" part is actually the biggest eye raiser and I'd love a full rundown on how you got a virus from a picture that you wouldn't have even needed to download.

/nerd

[SpyreX]

The PROBLEM is that this as a scum gambit doesn't even make sense because, like I said in the way before times, the list can't be that easy that gogo 1-1's is a good idea. I suppose the thought process was force claims AND the Ike counterclaim AND then ride the dumb train but.

The virus thing makes no sense though and I actually want a baby's 1-2-3 guide to picture hunting and how that ended in virus.

P:Edit - what browser mr maan? what kind of error message?

[SpyreX]

Faaancy that huh Hindu

[SpyreX]

Is it just a damn popup? I'm not clickin

[SpyreX]

Glork

Don't replace out. I know all too well how easy it is to seethe (fates upcoming is the last I'm doing for at least a while) but you have to take the misteps and work with it. This debacle at least led directly to glork town ierce town AND oversoul town. Use it as a start and win the game and take solace in the fact os probably won't pull that stunt again.

More actual words not on a phone tonight. Yea this warranted me posting from the phone.


That's serious busness

[SpyreX]

Gamma

You're now officially a triplevoter due to transitive property.

Let me know if that means you actually want it on GI (I'm still not seeing it). But fahhh this game needs blood

[SpyreX]

Is this legit?

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This Kat's business is absolute silliness (meta hurf durf but anyone KINDA ENTERPRISING can find evidence to disprove this).

Dram's still not scum.

Ludi is awol from the site not this game.

I still dont see GI but between length and sheer irritation (sup singers post) I'm checked out and gamma could use some more votes in his pocket.

[SpyreX]

Meh. Gamma's maybe the closest to something concrete, but even that's not enough for me to go "Scum fake flipout over Glork/Tierce-claim but passively okay with Oversoul being 'Ike'"...

Sorry, Spyre. Dead end, I think.

Nothin?

Fah.

[SpyreX]

All the courage.

Things we've learned: Glork is town, Wyrd is town, GI is probably town.

So nothing new carry on.

[SpyreX]

Why can't we, like, just be friends maaaan

Also purge lurkers wil be an issue sooner than later

[SpyreX]

He IS.

I'm voting with him and DDD is voting with me.

Thus, transitively, he's got 3 votes.

[SpyreX]

http://www.mathwords.com/t/transitive_property.htm

[SpyreX]

HRmmm

Gamma I think Hindu is right point your sword somewhere else.

[SpyreX]

YESS WE LEVELED UP TO A BIGGER SWORD DDD

Unvote, Vote: MoI

[SpyreX]

Spyre do you think Tammy is still scum

Sorry I dont want to ISO you

Yea but I know a lost cause for now as well.

[SpyreX]

Tammy
LLD

With a pinch of Singer / MoI

[SpyreX]

I will also add Oman to a lower tier because he's phoning it in.

[SpyreX]

52 pages closest lynch is infinity away

[SpyreX]

Yea id like that explained too.

Especially considering some stuff goin on.

Also agree with alchemist

[SpyreX]

Ohhh

Well if its being rude the policy lynch moi actually has votes you know.

Id totally vig oman though

[SpyreX]

Meh, Oman is just one of TSQ's posse, and frankly I can't be arsed to care about morons like that.

I'll catch up tonight, but I'd just like to be sure I understand the MoI wagon. MagnaofIllusion is on VLA, so is the wagon because only half the hydra is here? Or because of magical jellybeans?

SpySpy, why is MoI better dead here than Kats? MoI is a far, far better player to have alive, all things being equal, and Katsuki is FUCKING AWFUL. You cannot look at that ISO and tell me that he's town. At least MoI is producing content, and I don't read Magua as scum here (magna isn't posting at all, basically).

OTOH I'd be down for an UberNinja lynch. I usually get warm, townie feelings off UberNinja, and I'm just not getting them. I dun like #1337.

You want the honest deep-core answer to this EVEN THOUGH its gonna start a teaparty?

The second I got the "are you stupid or scum" I put my headphones on and have just been glazing at his posts. I see a stream of arguing for the sake of arguing and caustic acid spilling all willy nilly. That can die on principle.

FURTHER, I dont trust a.) a vig to pull the trigger or b.) a lynch to REFORM later unless it utilizes precious resources that I'd rather see go elsewhere to the swaths of nothing we have.

Oman, Kat? They'll be dealt with. MoI is one of those that we both know is gonna happen today or 100 pages and 12 deaths from now.

[SpyreX]

And?

YEA I WENT THERE

[SpyreX]

Hey. SpyreX. Tell me, straight up: You think we'll flip town or scum. Go.

Probably town if I had to guess.

Not ROCK HARD SOLID but probably town.

[SpyreX]

23. SpyreX - Scum. Other head is very sold on this; I'm seeing it as just general flashbacks to ASOIAF, epecially how SpyreX jumped on the MoI wagon D1 and sat there for most of it. Seeing the exact same behavior here.

Guess I was wrong.

Not about the lynch but the probably town.

For you meta enthusiasts look at that game and here and remember both heads were in ASOIAF and then go howww is this even related past "SpyreX voted MoI".

Yea this stinks so bad I am truly amazed.

[SpyreX]

I'm not sure if "Non-Daein" is gonna help him confirm it enough since thats just "not scum".

I'm debating wehter or not saying what country would help him find someone to tickle me elmo because my smellin' sense says him and I have a fair to middlin chance of bein the same sillies which would be a hilarious turn of events.

BUT fine

I'll literally jump any wagon and I will laugh and laugh if more people start droppin since this is page 61 wweeee

[SpyreX]

But I'd really like to see you sit here and claim that everyone else who's lost interest in this game is scum like you tried with Glork. Go on. Try it.

Scum hold a majority.
Scum win!

Yea I dont care I'll hammer any wagon. I'm officially checked out from this game and double officially ignoring MoI.

[SpyreX]

Ill cote quil when I'm home.

However riddle me this:

If you're soooo sure I'm scum wouldn't you want me to claim my nation so you could attemptit if it meshes and if it failed have real oomph to lynch me because we both know its not hapening off the back of your charming personality and persuasive skills this game.

Instead just throw it in the dark because that's hellllllaaaa useful.

[SpyreX]

Unvote, Vote: Quil

[SpyreX]

Slimeee

Was that GI vote really under the premise that MoI actually targetted me after all his hulaballo

DDD knows the way to a mans heart though

[SpyreX]

I'm shamelessly using you for your scumfinding talents so you better make my investment worthwhile.

Thats a junk bond here though.

However I'd really like MoI to say if he actually tried me after that whole scummmhurrdurr.

[SpyreX]

The Laguz Alliance Army

See, considering I dont -have- a nation persay I kinda assumed it would work.

But I dont care even a little bit at this point.

And the fact you dont see how if even a person gives a nation for you to be useful (well, at least with night actions because day play is lolololol) its a step in the right direction.

When when has Spyre scumhunted?

Why is Spyre not being aggressive at all?

Why has Spyre basically posting nothing at all this entire game?

OHhhhhh man ohh man

I can see characterizing a lot of things a lot of ways but this?

Good lord man.

ILL DONE HELP MAKE YOU A TRUTHSAYER THOUGH

[SpyreX]

What am I going to address?

That the idea that I haven't been looking for scum is bonkers?
That this whole I haven't said anything is amazing considering how much stupid, stupid heat I have got FOR saying things?
That aggression died the minute this turned into a slag and even if it didn't what the ass does it have to do with anything?

That, overall, that post was almost as much a fart in the wind as MoI comparing this game to to a game where after he was dead he railed (rightly so) that DGB and I had to be scum because we pushed through his lynch?

Or should I just go ahead and mention the inevitability of my lynch in the near future and the simple pure fact that because its based on raw stupid my desire to even pretend to help in a useful manner is gone?

What would you like?

[SpyreX]

WELP ITS OPEN AND SHUT RITE

GO FOR IT

[SpyreX]

If I did what would it matter?

I mean the simple fact I still now and forever believe Tammy needs blood should say something. That whole early game OMG SPYREX IS SCUM BECAUSE HOW ELSE COUDL HE THINK THEY WERE SCUM HERRDA that was MoI's lead in?

[SpyreX]

Hmm?

I'm just part of the Army. No nation persay.

So something that had negatives based on nations wouldn't really apply what with just being part of the rampaging hordes.

[SpyreX]

Yea?

"MoI I'm just part of this army so no nation should mean this'll work."

I didnt think of the -nation- part being a huge mechanic more just a flavor addendum - meaning from what he said having none would mean it'd work.

Of course when its you be scummmmm well.

I cant imagine I'm the ONLY one without a nation.

[SpyreX]

By the way, a lot of my good feelings about Spure have dissipated. I thought he was trying to breadcrumb being a Triangle Attack member with Tierce based on a lot of his comments around he soft claims and fake vig, but apparently that's not the case. I'll have to review his behavior without that assumption and reassess him later.

How'd you get THAT from what I said?

Especially since I said if I was looking for someone I'd have just done it.

[SpyreX]

So when you literally go back and look at your role PM there's no mention of having a country but your name is a nice shade of town green and not big scary scum red?

Nope, no country. Just the alliance army.

And greens and not reds yes.

On a different note I yelled at Vi when this game started about getting this pm.

[SpyreX]

I'm not inherently opposed to Ludi. I got trying too hard versus scummm but.

I actually want glorks thought process on me being triangle.

I'll go back through though.

[SpyreX]

Ohhhhhh

Then I'm Gallian

[SpyreX]

No, its green as per what tierce just posted. Not hideous, red or purple.

[SpyreX]

That would still be subtle if I was a triangle.

But ok I can see it now at least.

[SpyreX]

There is more than 3.

Thats just the alliance

(and that post is spoilered for the confused looking for it in 3)

[SpyreX]

SpyreX, why weren't you surprised at the color of the non-implosion flips?

Only paid attention to the green, honestly.

[SpyreX]

Addendum:

I probably would have put more thought into it if I wasn't green. As it was, didn't think about it.

Et glork: Fair enough

[SpyreX]

Glork after this is done remind me of this post

[SpyreX]

PE: Just to assuage my own immediate doubts, I did a quick delve of Spyrex's previous games. I see no evidence of him taking absurd or unreasonably risky gambits as scum.

Wellll to be fair look deeper. Cause that part is true enough even if it has nothing to do with nothing.

[SpyreX]

1837 is about three thousand more words than necessary for a throwaway Nexus vote.

I will never, ever understand how that slot got so many saviors.

Ludi still just seems like trying to hard versus actual scum

[SpyreX]

And predicitably (as in just like with Implosion) the MagisterLudi wagon stalls when it gets some momentum, and several different options suddenly present themselves (TSH, 'let's lynch a lurker').

Seems quite like a replay of yesterday where scum Implosion was pulled off the block by a 'lurker Quilford' lynch to me ..

This is also a fair and valid view of the wagons and how things went down yesterday.

Absolutely 100%.

[SpyreX]

I'm still waiting for glork to finish up.

I'm pretty sure hes starting to see it anywho.

[SpyreX]

Yeaaa I'm not surprised by both the amount of words and the missing the point again.

Its not the implosion power wagon was derailed.

It was your shining paragon of awesomeness got derailed while it was sitting there - I think it peeked at 1 more than half OHH YEA and then BOOM speedwagon.

Which, yes, with implosion being scum means there was some manipulation like with any wagon but this secret scum masterplan is dingdongdumb.

Since, of course, I'm scum and all you might as well remember I said I would vote there when I got home too add it to your awesome pile.

Also, since I'm scum and all and if that daykill is town I'd be surprised just remember that you are less of a threat to my SECRET PLANS than oversoul. Or Fate.

After claiming masoner. (which for real people we will get to later).

So keep mistyping my name and limp wrist swinging at me because if you're actually town give yourself that wonderful pat on the back for being one of those voids of fun and trying and then put on your little monocle and have the sheer balls to look down on Glork for the apathy and draining this game.

So, keep on keepin' on maaan

[SpyreX]

Thats true words are pretty tuff when you're trying to willfully be obtuse:

It was your shining paragon of awesomeness got derailed while it

(the implosion wagon)

was sitting there - I think it peeked at 1 more than half OHH YEA and then BOOM speedwagon

(on Quilford)

.

HTH

[SpyreX]

There is no known Universe where that list of 6 names does not contain at least 1 scum. Maybe two if Implosion's role was important enough to them.

I agreed with you.

You're still bad at everything.

TIA.

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This game is getting out of control and will literally be overwhelmed by failure sooner than later.

There's far too many have to go lynches at the moment and that will, mark my words, get worse.

But I flat out can't care. If that dayshot wants to even pretend to be town there's a laundry list that needs to go. If its NOT town and there's no night vig wellllll bonered.

I'm still waiting for people to man up and Glork it up with that. Then you'll have a few real words

[SpyreX]

Shhh.

What I want to know has very little to do with Glork DIRECTLY and more people answering his business.

Of course Glork-town makes a whole lot of sense considering D1.

[SpyreX]

Que?

I've been scum before it kinda says so below my words.

That doesn't change I'm not scum here.

But if you want to play secret makeout fights - just glance through the game MoI linked and tell me if you think here AND there have any resemblance aside from SpyreX is bein mean to me waa waa.

[SpyreX]

Five? God you're hatin.

However, I'll even leave off the two you know I'm going to say.

Of the nothinginators Oman is the most likely to be scum. This isn't just the nothing but the fact this setup is rewarding scum even more than normal for apathy in the form of votes. I think Oman has sat-vote more than most but that's a hunch not backed up by the data. (This is a more recent lightbulb that I can expand if necessary)

If this GI-Kat business is town un town I'd be very surprised. If I had to nuke one right now it'd be GI. You can call it fake via tryin too hard.

Also for the amount of words LLD really hasn't done...anything. Its the anti-Oman but the same net result.

Pure paranoia is Nik. That "gambit" was just noise.

Singer is also here but this would be more a function of irritation and Tammy-shielding. I would kill it without remorse or words on a Tammy scum flip.

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Of course MOST of these aren't rock solid because (and this serves to answer Ludi as well) this game has a heavy topend and the skinnest bottom ever. The raw number of people with less votes than the mod and the combination of wallposts and acid have created a gamestate that both is apathetic AND slow enough that these sweet DK's keep ringin up.

[SpyreX]

Glork I take it you're just giving up on your plan?

Wooo

[SpyreX]

Ohh Alchemist

You know better

[SpyreX]

Well sup third party I will officially do whatever I can to bro out. Hope you're not an SK.

Fearmongering round 1 FFFF

[SpyreX]

Spoiler: Pandora's Box

1. Alchemist - Other than posting style and lackluster attack on Glork, the biggest thing that stands out here is relative to Tierce. Alchemist, why did you think Tierce was a good shot when people thought Oversoul's vig was real?

2. TSH - Not much here. I note a lack of dropped hippo wisdom yesterday and a declared willingness to debate. The exchange of words with Ludi didn't make Ludi look great.

3. DDDP - I feel a bit of your pain with large themes, but I hope you show up sooner rather than later. Slight townread on DDDP for giving no shits about scum win condition.

4. Dramonic - Flavor does not a townie make, nor does voting Oversoul. There's a healthy difference between scum and anti-town. One you lynch, one you vig. Your 'come and get some' attitude doesn't match your content output.

5. Duplicity - Good stuff, relatively easy to follow logic. Post 402 is almost spot on, though we don't agree on Quilford and a few small points.

6. Gamma - I am frightened by your idea that content is just starting around post 895. Other than the slightly changing reason on why Gamma thinks the Toast wagon is bad, this slot pleases me. A, would read again.

7. Glork - Please don't quit the site. I think little else needs saying about this slot. Anyone thinking Glork scum would require a Glork/Tierce wombocombo scum gambit to make their reasoning work, and then we could declare mafiascum over and move to browner pastures.

8. Haze - Middle of the pack null. This started smelling like Haze revving up the bus for Toasty, but the reasoning became more inquisitive and diggy.

9. Hinduragi - His posts, they are so TINY. Good grilling of Oversoul, don't like the making excuses for Uberninja early on. In post 617, promises ability to do solid gold posting. Get hyped and do it!

10. Implosion

- This ISO promised much, then had post 890 which gave me a bit of hope, and then nothing. See above Hindu advice.

11. Katsuki - I was excited for like a day when I saw you were on the verge of replacing out only to come back at the last minute and crush my dreams. Conviction is noted, but a case would be nice to give your baseless postulations a base. You've said just less than Implosion in more posts.

12. LLD - Not much of a presence since the waning of the Age of TammyNinja and the waxing of the Age of Oversoul. Post deals are crap and should be treated as such. I like the push on UberNinja early though. What's the theory behind withholding reads?

13. Ludi - No content since the end of Age 1. I'm sorely tempted to sheep Duplicity here, but I don't see a lot. Most of the crap in the ISO is Alchemist related.

14. MoI - Townread. Very unafraid to take the ugly, questionable stances/arguments and drag them to the forefront.

15. MathGirl - That's me!

16. Nexus - Ugh. This post and reading took me hours. At least approximate an effort, you lazy git. This is a Vi game, you know not the treat you are in for.

17. Nikanor - Other than the case on Alchemist and a touch of Oversoul defense, all posts/cases revolve around meta. Tierce finds the cat's meta cases somewhat acceptable, and I generally defer to Tierce regarding meta. Nulltown?

I'm getting tired. These will get shorter/shallower.

18. Oman - Kinda gross. Promises to take a bath to remove grossness and post this weekend.

19. Oversoul

- Really gross. Misguided town is putting it lightly, between defending Toasty before Toasty even showed up and thinking he'd be real cool for faking a daykill.

20. Quilford

- Not a fan of the list on page 2 at all, though it did spark discussion. I require more than a list of vague feelings. You will supply them to me.

21. GreyICE - This slot is like the Katsuki slot but with more ideas and attempts to make content. Reasoning for this being a popular wagon is out there, I'm sure, but I may have to piece it together tomorrow. How sure were you the dayvig was fake?

22. Singersinger - This is bad. The Tammy vote is bad, the 'ugh this game is hard sheep Glork' is bad, the 'I'm just not into it' is miserable.
VOTE: Singersinger

A DAY BREAK

23. SpyreX - His answers to the pressure put on him by various sources (UN, MaguaoI) have been satisfactory, but only just. I want to call it clear town, but it's not there enough. Remember when I was talking about LLD and I said I hate vote trade deals? I dislike proxy votes too. Giving up your vote is like putting down your pistol in an Old West duel. Spy is correct that this game needs blood. It's pretty bloated already, I can't imagine how bad it would be if the lurkfolk actually tried.

24. Tammy - The personality irks me when someone flips the raeg switch, but the concepts presented seem solid. The town parts of the ISO that stand out are recent, the analysis of the LLD vote deal with Spy and the acceptance that meta is a thing around here and the effort to go to her old home, dig up all kinds of games and do analysis on them. The earlier parts of the ISO kind of blur together, but I think I understand where the idea of voting Tammy early came from.

25. Tierce - Like you needed an excuse to go drinking, that's most likely the biggest lie you've told this game. (Note. If you are actually an alcoholic, I beg your pardon.) That said, the reaction to the fake dayvig seems natural enough to me, had the rage stopped early I might have thought scum. Town up and down, but I'll agree with Tammy here, meta is useful but the whole 'What would Katsuki do' argument makes me slightly ill. It isn't everything. I want to hear more on why you think MaguaoI is scum.

26. ToastyToast - Much has been said to merit the below vote already. Not only does Toast come in and suspect the 3 wagons at the time with no other reads, he continually goes back and asks how he could possibly have reads on others by page 8. A few of these other reads come through around page 40 turning his initial 3 reads into 9 reads out of 28, 5 of these being null and no mention of previous suspect Tammy. Of these reads, only one is scum and that's DDDP of all people. Really? You're reading this game, the same words I'm reading, and you come back with DDDP.
Unvote, VOTE: ToastyToast

27. UberNinja - *sigh* Crappy attitude, small townlean. I don't think Toasty's initial post was bad enough for scumninja to rev up the bus so soon, mostly. Disinterest level is dildos, cases instead of reflexive outbursts would be nice. Do you still think Tierce is scum after the whole Oversoul thing?

28. Wyrd

- It took this hydra 1000 posts to get the ball rolling, but there begins to be content, hallelujah. Fate, do try to do more than just mock Tierce. The Ludi point by Nuwen early makes some sense to me, as does the Ludi defense of Toasty point. Similar amounts of town as UberNinja but with much more promise.

29. Zdenek - I'm sorry to hear about the family emergency. Your early content was inquisitive and decent, hopefully when you return it will continue. I'm going to go with the nullside of town for stubbornness. Going after Glork's Katsuki thing in the midst of the Oversoul fakevig and Glork's pondering of replacement doesn't feel like scum looking for blood in the water.

Lookin through this now should be eeenterestin

Unvote, Vote: Oman

[SpyreX]

Its pretty much not a vig but whatevs.

Also that's almost going to be guaranteed a scum PR so it wasn't any kinda doubleback hijinks.

Hindu was town regardless - if Glorks business EVER finishes I can explain that but Hindu is that read I'd take to lylo period.

[SpyreX]

Blah blah blah

Duplicity, since you're way more active than I am - wanna do a quick runthrough on how many of them he actually uses the words town or scum in his reads?

[SpyreX]

LLD it is a good vote especially via Smug AND it can happen.

Oman first.

Also Glork finish.

[SpyreX]

Also probably only one more there. Maaybe two but doubtful.

[SpyreX]

Why's that? If it's because they didn't claim like somebody mentioned; I wouldn't claim if I were a vig in this situation.

No, because a vig in this setup shooting oversoul and wyrd is on such drugs they're more of a threat than an sk.

Seriously there's less shots that would have been worse than more shots that would have been better

[SpyreX]

I think it's pretty obvious wyrd was a mafia NK because they were the last kill N1 whereas Implosion was the first. NAR pretty much tells us that.

Ok I'm officially losing my mind.

I swear, swear, that the day had started and there was an almost instant -wyrd- kill.

That didn't happen??

[SpyreX]

Apparently not.

Sweet.

So it could be a vig maaybe that would really, really still need to detail out why oversoul got shot.

And yes I was agreeing with LLD

[SpyreX]

Gut + things I cant talk about yet says he's scum.
Logically, the claim and interactions say hes not scum.

So, short of the masonizing working AND that person both saying they were masoned and being killed I want him dead before lylo.

[SpyreX]

Nah I wanted the ones specific. Thanks for that.

The standouts in that mess when you consider the game at that point AND with so many others being in the slag are:

DDD, Haze, Nik, UN.

(I think that MoI read is nonsense but we'll leave that for later especially considering his vote).

That group not actually standing out much and getting a clear stance is suspect. The one *gasp* that stands out the most is Haze - there's no real reason to say they are absolutely middle null unless you're not committing as scum but feel the need to have a full list.

Also, call it gut but:

Oman, Nexus, Katsuki

There's 1 in here too. Chances of it bein Kat are by far lower than the others.

[SpyreX]

If you asked me which one of Oman or Nexus was more likely to flip scum, I'd say Oman by a margin.

However, if you asked me if both of them need to die regardless of eithers flips I'd breakdance spittin bullets with my fat moves

[SpyreX]

Who are you talkin to about Oman Tierce?

Cause it sure as hell aint me

[SpyreX]

Confusion not worry. Because that sure read like an interjection when we both are pretty clear?

ALSO AND PAY ATTENTION GAME:

This is me holding my MoI hate on and not delving into it and in fact offering this up:

There's a large amount of nonsense in that wagon parsing above. A pretty clear one that isn't an accident AND kinda shows this being a caricature instead of actually trying.

I'm not going to point it out but considering how silly it was to spot I absolutely expect someone else to.

[SpyreX]

What if its multiple tiny suitcases mr?

Those could be full.

If it comes to it I'll finish off Nexus but I still think Oman is a better call.

[SpyreX]

While the ideas are sound you're both missing the point Hindu and Tierce.

Look closer - I'll give a hint: Look at the final result about Haze not being scum and the "wagons" before.

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As for Oman - I'll give a real detailed analysis of whats going on in a bit. Early game its just hopandlock with a dash of no original thought. Today its more of the tinfoil sitting on wagons that aren't going to go anywhere benefits scum more because longer days are more shots - although to be fair a scum on that DK makes that make less sense.

[SpyreX]

Its clear I'm not laying this out because a.) "bias" and b.) others need to step up and be looking so if its just bias its done.

Frankly any interaction with you is useless and I'm well past the point because regardless of alignment your combination of insults and ego has sapped most of the fun out of it. So assume I'm just not replying TO you after this.

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Tierce:

No no no, deeper. Look at those "multiple" wagons

closer

.

[SpyreX]

That's very, very close to what I was getting at.

Its more the fact those are mostly the same wagon and its looking at who didn't change their vote versus the hoppers - and, at heart, that final wagon (and this is a guess based on what I remember / activity) isn't people staying because of some connection to the wagon - but because they either weren't on OR too lazy to switch.

So it doesn't say anything about Haze. Those votes are what stuck as it collapsed.

At best all that is is reaffirming a preconceived belief structure. Which is doubly strange ending in a DDD vote instead of me without the argument DDD was scum-sheeping me because his place on ALL of those wagons is a function of me being there.

The actual bits that are apparent without it is Toasty is probably town. When I'm feeling saucy I'll look at the leapers because there's a scum in there.

[SpyreX]

Additionally since it looks like its not going to pan out:

Someone enterprising look at the reactions to what Glork suggested. Hindu's response: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4129668

Is what I expected from town adhering to the list fear. In contrast, MoI: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4129658

Makes no sense since its focusing on a mechanical part versus the earlier list fear.

FURTHER, I'm more than a little surprised we didn't see more push for it either side (and if not for earlier I'd be worried) since flavor even I remember says the haxswans from Serenes would have a far higher than average chance of being on the kill list IF that list has anything to do with flavor. Dirty hax birds.

While not a total tiein, this makes me more weary of Dram since I absolutely expected him to come burning in with flavor yelling.

NEXT POST: Oman, an introspective.

[SpyreX]

SORRY if I ruined it but god it takes a lot of self-restraint.

[SpyreX]

Spoiler: some pertinent quotes

I'll sheep Glork...

vote: Tierce

*Trying really hard to look even slimier by the minute...so excited*

What the damn fuck is this?

Whoops, didn't mean to submit.

Glork: Sheep Oman. He's a sexy fuck.
Oman: Vote someone relevant, you're a sexy fuck.

Will do

unvote. Vote: Tammy

@Spyre just4u babe

Just thought it might be neat to visualize it. Not 100% accurate of course and I probably missed alot, but eh.

http://i.imgur.com/bJvkJ.jpg

Annoyed that I'm not in "everybody loves tierce".


Also, why are people sheeping me? Do they know I haven't played in years? I AM NOT A BAROMETER ANY MORE, especially not for ex Paragons.

People who are now against Tammy-lynch for #317 are easily swayed and gullible.

Rereading from my last post of substance. (#901)

Wyrd and Uberninja having the same avatar annoys me, but I'm thinking Wyrd town right now.

Oversoul posting about knowledge that he doesn't want to give away doesn't look town at all, but it could just be a dumb idea, I don't know how stupid he is.

I really don't like how Uberninja pressures him for it though. Then again, it's a very aggressive salvo to fire as uberscum.

Because honestly, if you think following UberNinja's dictates is a good choice that is sure to help town, again I throw my hands up in the air sometimes,

fixed with link.

Is Tammy pushing a Tierce lynch?

DA FUQ?

Please someone actual dayvig Zdenek.

Katsuki still needs death.

There is nothing good in this post. Nothing town at all. Then again, GreyICE is known to be fairly retarded, so I'm a little hesitant.

I really don't feel like I have the energy to play in a game with this much derp. I'll sheep Glork til the end, but fuck if I feel like reading up on the past 20 pages I missed

Minus the bit about sheeping glork to the end, I totally dig this.

People I'd be willing to lynch: MoI, Toast, SpyreX, GreyICE, LLD, Oversoul, UberNinja, Tammy. For those of you that didn't get it before becausederpderpwhostilldoespolicylynches, people I actually think are scummy: MoI, Toast, SpyreX, GreyICE.

This is like the best post ever. I have no qualms on Spyrex, but I'll give you the others.

When I first read through Dramonic's posts they seemed helpful and everything. Now that I am reading through it doesn't seem filled with the scumhunting I thought he was doing. :\

Glork, do you have an opinion for us? I would really prefer it if you didn't replace out and/or quit the site.

SCummy as fuck. Flipping a read on Owlbear, while also trying to deepthroat Glork.


GreyICE continues to be a tool.

It's very obvious when Mr. Flay is MoI.

inb4 p80 d1 lynch

I fear that this is conservative.


At page 53 I'll take MoI, Toast, or GreyICE lynches.

Unvote. Vote: MoI

Thats just for reference, but here's the skinny:

The Tammy vote was "legit". That is important. Going from that to why are people sheeping me is absolute dissonance because if you actually believed in the wagon (which he is trying to adhere to by saying dissenters are gullible and/or easily swayed) then getting votes there

is a good thing

. This then turns away from the Tammy wagon to fighting with GI - ending in being willing to vote for GI or the two largest wagons.

Opening to today with a throwaway vote on me - with GI being one of the few voting there.

Add into this:

18. Oman - Kinda gross. Promises to take a bath to remove grossness and post this weekend.

Which is one of the biggest "say nothing" reads on that list.

This is scum.

Additionally as much as it may physically hurt MoI and Tammy are both probably town on a Oman scum flip.

Tags fixed. ~Vi

[SpyreX]

OHH GOD MOD FIX THAT PLEASE

Also, and I missed this and it could be bias: right before Oman is listed Smug says they are tired and thus the reads getting sloppier. Coincidenceeee?

[SpyreX]

countries??

Also I'm absolutely baffled by the above.

[SpyreX]

I meant more plural versus singular

[SpyreX]

I didn't put two and two together.

Its baffling more than anything.

Also you're not getting lynched today and double the nations is eyeraising but

[SpyreX]

Yea its baffling on all levels but scum?

[SpyreX]

It just seems weird with the "masonizer" and the kill lists and everything else.

You've went waaay too defeatist though. At least if you're gonna acquise to a lynch and self-vote which is still silly devote TIME and give reads beforehand

[SpyreX]

Uhhh what?

MoI are you seeking someone specifically?

Cause thats sure what it seems like this is.

[SpyreX]

My initial response to how that just went down is MoI wasnt exactly truthful with his role and is seeking someone very specific that he messaged last night.

[SpyreX]

singer has to be scum, or some weird role

she isn't BaM there is no explanation

PISTOLS AT DAWN

[SpyreX]

I'm fine with Nexus BUT I would like someone to explain why its so hard to get Oman lynched.

[SpyreX]

I actually used words though

[SpyreX]

Dont lose sight.

Unvote, vote: Nexus

100 pages hoo

[SpyreX]

I have a theory but we'll see.

[SpyreX]

Alch I promise you one way or another that will sort itself out. Nows not the time.

[SpyreX]

I'd rather lynch Oman but playing gamble with scum will take care of this (presumption of not scum aside) is a bad one.

[SpyreX]

Actually Oman managed to not make sense in his posts on top of lurking (see wanting a wagon through cause srs scum DONT SHEEP ME BRO)

[SpyreX]

Unvote, Vote: Oman

[SpyreX]

You see a slot at a level of scumminess (Oman) being much more attacked and piled on than another (Avenging Angel-Haze) that isn't magically townie either. The competing wagon that might compare is on a claimed and uncounterclaimed Ike-doctor, who is likely to be on the scum's hit list. It's not like Nexus is some spectacularly hard lynch and we can't muster the power to do so later in the game if his claim doesn't satisfy anyone.

You're running into one of them thar crazy traps in your logic silly Tierce.

Haze isn't a bad lynch. Oman also isn't a bad lynch.

[SpyreX]

Singer aside, who's the other ones sir

ALSO MY DEFENSE IS:

Pages / Days = ALMOST FIFTY HELL YEA BRO

[SpyreX]

Maybe
No
Lol Role Def
Maybe
No
Not Now
No
Sure

[SpyreX]

I'd hammer it maan

[SpyreX]

Sup KKB vote Oman.

[SpyreX]

What would be your counter suggestion?

Also Oman, AGAIN, isn't a simple lurker lynch

[SpyreX]

also why are people claiming role names. claim role function and keep your name to yourself unless its absolutely essential to avoid death.

can you explain the oman wagon 2 me dear spychan? also what is the mistake that made you obvtown that ddd was talkin about?

Searchers I think sans Nexus are the namers ffff

Oman in the midst of doing nothing managed to act srs business about his vote but get all a titter if people sheeped him which doesn't make a lick of sense if you actually believe the person is scum.

As for me in grand tradition of Vi games I'm illiterate at my PM / Secret Hidden OP and made an assumption (I had no nation) which was patently false in such a hilarious manner that it affirmed what was already known.

However I dont think MoI ever actually flat out said he targeted me and I dont want that assumption carried forward.

[SpyreX]

Its how I got my title afterall. Leave me be!

[SpyreX]

Spyre, how exactly is Oman's "I'm not the guy to sheep" stance scummy? What exactly am I missing that makes his behavior so egregious that you want it DeadNoMatterWhat?

In general the "I'm not the guy to sheep" thing is fine.

However, I call teaparty when you're trying to push an early wagon as scum found. If you believe it to be scum and

actually want it lynched

you're gonna damn well need sheep.

It didn't catch my eye as hard back then - I thought it was standard scum malaise phoning it in. Rereading it that combination of don't sheep me / getting of this wagon is delusional is nuts.

Also page 100 YES WE WIN GUYS

AND AN UNVOTE YESSSSSS

[SpyreX]

If "people getting off the wagon I'm voting on because of something are gullible and easily swayed" != I think I'm voting for scum well I have nothin for ya

[SpyreX]

singersigner (L-12) ~ singersigner
SpyreX (L-12) ~ Oman
UberNinja (L-12) ~ Tierce
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-12) ~ Glork
Not Voting: , Avenging Angel, Nexus, Hinduragi, Tammy

[SpyreX]

Then ultimately I guess its a good thing I dont have to.

[SpyreX]

Did he say bodyguard?

I missed that part and apparently all the fun while I was gone.

HELL I LIKE DEAD PEOPLE

Unvote, Vote: Nexus

Well done only 51 page average gents. We lynch in 1 page we're almost to a game.

[SpyreX]

I thought we were bros

[SpyreX]

Errrrr

Its pretty obvious singer is town, yes.

I have no idea how the assbird you'd get of all things I'm self-aligned from this.

I double also am (much like yesterday) missing the smoking gun on the DDD wagon because yea I'm 100% not seeing it. This isn't an I prefer Oman but sure Nexus yesterday. This is a I am pretty sure DDD is town.

SOOOOooo

[SpyreX]

Well me more than anyone gets absolute town from his interactions post day1 with me.

Every bit of it.

I'm not going into a giant wall of defense but I have no issue asking for actual reasons with words because while I am stoked we've opted for not another fifty pages its not too much to ask for to have a real target.

[SpyreX]

Its not OMG COP INVESTIGATE TOWN GUYS

But its enough of a read and there's been enough farts in the wind this game I'm more than a little baffled.

And if you think I have the energy to try to derail a wagon especially when its not 100% well.

[SpyreX]

Ehh its fine considering things this game which are eye raisers anyways yo be safe

[SpyreX]

I haven't -claimed-. Aint no one knowin nothin bout my powers and name suckas.

What happened was MoI's masoning as a function of country and me not thinking I had a country as I am part of the alliance and green named and didn't see the hidden part detailing that green wasn't just TOWN but the color for a country too (in comparison to other countries which are also town but different colors)

So there's not a single post but its pretty clear if you ISO where that whole conversation went down.

[SpyreX]

The ONLY ONLY wagon you can really get after DDD about is Nexus because the others were a function of me (now, squawking about him sheeping me sure).

And if I have to slog back through to see how many people it was that lept from Nexus as soon as Ike'd happened watching the laser sights point here is something else.

[SpyreX]

I lynch people. Its what I do. Its rare, REALLY rare, that I wont touch a wagon.

I'm not touching this DDD one.

Tierce, expand past UN hate and see HOW MANY people played that card around nexus yesterday if you would?

[SpyreX]

Of that magnitude, no.

There's others and much like the before I have to keep quiet because this is one of them things that I want to get seen by the greater masses.

[SpyreX]

DDD at least you can go to a chocolatier place. Take solace in with a mason claim now and ~mysteriously~ he's never gonna get NK'd you get to live in a world without hate

Sheep me one last time my friend before you walk into the darkness.

Unvote, Vote: UN

Ehhh Nik maybe but also unlikely

[SpyreX]

If you're talkin about Nik its not like he went BAM COPPED.

I'm more eyeraised at the salivating masses.

@DDD: Because Tammy is sooo town youguys

[SpyreX]

Actually look at it this way Alch:

You think scum is going to play pretend cop AND THEN back the ass away from it with the army ready to march and not even lol, reactions it?

[SpyreX]

Yes I do

Because I would and have done it F2F games or EM games and gotten away with it simply because of that train of thought.

Well sure but in a big fat game with your team decimated?

I think its way more likely the true do nothings are just sitting praying for the bloodlust to etch it out.

[SpyreX]

I am still town.
Tierce and Glork are still awkward claim town.
SpyreX is derpy mistake town.
MoI and dana are mason-town.
Tim is *shows fucking courage* town.
TSH and Toasty are still VCA town

KKB, Tammy, and Nik top my list of most likeliest scum.

I still think dram was townish but this is good. Consider a swap for Kat in there over Nik as above because I forgot they were even in this game.

[SpyreX]

Is it bidirectional?

I've seen it LLD side over and over

[SpyreX]

I'm calling hammer in that mystical world where Tammy gets lynched.

I HAVE DIBS

-----

Well LLD's been beating that drum so hard it oozes of ROLE INFO YOOO.

I just dont see Nik reciprocating?

[SpyreX]

That's all well and good Alch but it is literally the modus operandi for more than one of the issues in that department.

I'm still playing clicky-clack with what kind of active role targets itself that isn't just :doinkdoink:

[SpyreX]

Only one I can think of off the bat is a tree stump.

Well that sure aint it.

Good lord I forgot it was day AND night.

I have no idea and thats normally a grand sign.

@alch: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4161597

@hindu: ohh hoss no I'm not "waitin" fer anythin.

[SpyreX]

Fine but just let it be known I'm jumping off when it gets steam to hammer.

I want this.

Unvote, Vote: Tammy

(also not waiting for a claim if it gets to it )

P-Edit: Yea gamma wanting a name claim is what I get from "i don't give a fuck about an ability claim. would prefer no name claim though."

[SpyreX]

Actually - did she say n2 was the only time it wasnt used AND then because she forgot?

Because if it day/night AND limited 3/4 shots is kinda like clickin for that sweet heroin.

[SpyreX]

Something when Micaiah died?

Have we seen ANYTHING that makes sense there?

[SpyreX]

I cant get out of omg lore mode.

Micaiah couldnt die or else game over. WHY ties prizes into that specifically?

[SpyreX]

I am blind to that point of view because I don't understand how anyone with a functioning brain could see me as scum right now. Look back over my actions regarding Nexus and please please tell me I'm scum. Why the hell was I on the Implosion wagon if I'm scum. Why the hell did I go after MoI on day one if I'm scum. Seriously, think about it condescending pumpkin. If you do and your not drunk or high, you'll come to the correct conclusion that I'm town.

Well lets look at them:

I'm ok with voting any of Implosion, Nexus, or Quilford today. I don't have a particular preference for which.

Hmm...Duplicity you can have your cookies back. As I said, no preference, and if the Implosion wagon builds bigger than Quil's somehow I'll switch back, but this seems to be our best chance to end the day sooner.

Still really really willing to vote Nexus. Actually vote: Nexus

K

unvote

I'll get back to this a little later when I have some time.

K

vote: Nexus

Those show conviction and prowess and powers (I'm pretty sure I called out the first Nexus vote as a throwaway as it was in the middle of a giant wall of others).

The funniest part though is the final Nexus vote is in reponse to Glork's Nexus vote which was

directly quoting DDD's

Nexus vote.

PEdit stream jesus - UN where did that modpic come from??

Double PEdit - considering if thats not a protective softclaim that somehow can be confirmed in thread its dead now wellllll lets see this lillydew

[SpyreX]

I want this clear because I'm calling shenanigans:

I never said it could have killed me Alchemist. I said that I would have been pissed if I died because you roleblocked me. Think man...think. If someone targetted me and I died because someone targetted me when I tried but was unable to use my role, I'd have been pissed.

If this is not a protective role softclaim I dont know what it is.
Also it appears its going to somehow be confirmed.
Double also its a self-targetting protective role.

YES SIR

[SpyreX]

@tammy-yaaaaaay send it so we can stop all this please.

also I really want one of

grey

/lld/benmage lynched

today

. i have a pretty enormous amount of town reads and assuming that there are 3 scum left I really think one of them will be another.

CANT EVEN POST TOO MANY NINJAS

FTFY

(Get on the party train we'll always save room for you Gammy's)

[SpyreX]

I'm not getting what you're trying to say Spyre can u try diff wyrds bebe.

I'm not sure how damnit.

The idea of "your roleblock means I could die" means that this is some variant of protection.
The day/night active part means its not a BP-variant because those are passive.
The self, and we've only heard references to targetting self, means its not a doc OR hider variant.
If its a PGO variant I have no idea how all the words around the claim make sense.
Further, apparently sending it in is going to make itself known.

I'll wait to see what mysterious role I could be missing (there is exactly 1 that I could believe and even then a very specific version of it AND EVEN THEN its pretty much not alignment anything) and if thats not it I will 1v1 to make this happen.

Because its nanners.