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Meransiel Mafia Scum
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Junpei wrote:I don't really care if he's usually inactive, I want him to be active this game. Creating a meta of being inactive d1 is stupid, and is a habit that needs to be kicked. If you are town then stop using your meta as an excuse to be lazy and help out.
I do that only in larges. Too much of a headache. Pretend there are 26 players for a day, it's not going to hurt you that much.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Junpei wrote:Noted.
Meran has just jumped up on my scumlist for responding to that post with nothing at all.
You have made posts that imply you'll eventually post something until you finally make a post saying to never expect anything from you. And then you say that you're too lazy and it 'isn't' going to hurt me that much' to have you gone all day? This seems like a scum tactic to get a free ride day 1.
It is a scum tactic to get a free ride day 1.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Junpei wrote:Meransiel wrote:Junpei wrote:Noted.
Meran has just jumped up on my scumlist for responding to that post with nothing at all.
You have made posts that imply you'll eventually post something until you finally make a post saying to never expect anything from you. And then you say that you're too lazy and it 'isn't' going to hurt me that much' to have you gone all day? This seems like a scum tactic to get a free ride day 1.
It is a scum tactic to get a free ride day 1.
I'm assuming you're referring to my tracker claim? The difference is that with my role known, if I were mafia then there'd be other mechanical ways of trapping me and proving that I'm mafia. Your method is nothing more than 'i will not post till d2' which of course implies that you know you'll live d2. This also implies that we will have some benefit in not lynching you today. It also gives us to material to scumhunt you with in future days if you survive.
No, I was talking about me. Yes, I am doing something that would benefit me were I scum.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Pinky and the Brain wrote:Merans, can you post examples of you sitting out Day 1? Cause you diddin't do it in Super Hero Revolution OR SEMG, both of which are Larges I've played with you in.
Rodion: Yeah, Lyncher seems fairly rare on this site.
-diddin
In Square Enix, I active lurked. In Super Hero, Magna was pushing hard on me and I had to do something.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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killerjester wrote:ZeL1nK wrote:Leon is prob-town. At least he's done nothing that makes me think he's scum. killer's 'case' on him is stretching.
Not reading DavidX as scum, either.
Why. Why. Why.
Dear God. Do people want to give more input than, "KJ is being silly, he should just believe Leon is town like the rest of us."?
And Meransiel is just being a dick, not much good we can do besides asking for him to be replaced. Seriously though, why sign up for larges if you aren't even going to play? Kind of ruins the game for the rest of us..
As I said, ignore me for 1 day. I don't understand how that would hurt you. Even if I AM scum, shouldn't I have partners for you to look for?Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Wow, it worked.
marco1610 wrote:I really doubt a mafia would make himself public enemy number 1 they way Meransiel seems to be. Honestly, if he says he'll become active Day 2; let's just take his word for now and actually contribute on scumhunting. We're just helping mafia by harassing someone over such a small deal.
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Chevre wrote:Also, Meransiel, after your apparent revelation with marco, are you going to contribute now?
No, not really. Now that I gave you an obvtown, can you please let me lurk quietly? Thank you.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Anyway, Chevre, you have a single useful post, which is a huge wall where you lainly agree with people and park your vote on me with little to add to that.
Therefore, I will smile and ignore you.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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marco1610 wrote:What revelation? He just called me town? Mafia would know this best.
I'm not insinuating he's mafia though. The lurking and uncooperative attitude is annoying and irritating but until he's pulling off a major gambit, I really do think he's town. Our power roles can make the right decisions. Let's not waste our time trying to lynch him.
The lurking and uncooperative attitude are a great shield of a reason to park one's vote, or influence others into doing so. You're neither. Therefore, town.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Junpei wrote:The fact you want so badly to make it to n1 scares me. Town wouldn't have to show that desire this way, scum might.
You can lynch me if you want to, I don't really care. So this point is null and void. By the way, this is exactly how I, as scum, was trying to get a VI lynched in one of my games. Easy way to pass as desperate town who did, in fact, find scum.
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@Zinger: I don't care if you were aware or not, you are still very helpful.
@Peregrine: I am neither analyzing the entirety of the game nor looking for relational tells to better read everybody. I am simply generating discussion. Which requires nothing more than reading the page you're posting on.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Junpei wrote:Meran then how the fuck do you plan to be competent day 2 after 40 pages have been posted? You'll be so far behind we'll never see you.
Also I got this from your post:
1) You're doing something you do as scum normally
2) You think I'm a village idiot.
AtE voting noted.
0. As you can easily see, I am reading all pages I am posting on. So no, only 17 pages to munch for me. Pages that will make more sense and are more worth a damn after I see the night kills.
1. Yes, if I were scum I would play the same way right now.
2. No, I think I'm a village idiot. Who attracts scum.
@chk: Zinger is safe for today. Cause I say so. Honestly you gain nothing from his death.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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killerjester wrote:izakthegoomba wrote:UNVOTE: Meransiel
Because there is other stuff bigger than Meran now.
Zinger, you just softclaimed Lyncher. I want proper info on your role.
FoS: Junpei
Zinger says it all.
Did you just ask for a roleclaim? I don't see the point in giving the mafia a bigger informational advantage than they already have.
My, my, I am pretty confident in my vote that's already on you. Speaking of, don't you have anything to say to the accusations on you? Anything at all?
Actually, that is just goomba being goomba.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Junpei wrote:I don't want flinger to win, he doesn't deserve to win. If he is third party/scum (he is confirmed one of those) then he will be less likely to win by killing him. If we don't lynch him I demand we shoot him via vigilante.
1. You said you were logical. Stop being illogical
2. Stop directing the night kill.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Junpei wrote:I agree, we are definitely not hammering any time soon.
In the event we decide to lynch him, we have Meran hammer, agreed? That is unless someone more suspicious comes up or Meran begins to post more.
I will not hammer Zinger. I will not let Zinger hammer me.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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ZeL1nK wrote:Actually it is totally different, because being a SK is actually a believable role. Being a self-aligned Jailkeeper with a lyncher-esque win-con? Nope.
All of the reasoning for the Zinger lynch gets demolished by one simple fact: Zinger is a dumbass. He is so much more likely to do this as town than as any other alignment.
Which is why I think he should just be replaced or ignored until he gets replaced.
This is one way to look at it.
The other is to think that, hey, maybe Zinger's wincon is not that hard to achieve. When does that happen? When his supposed target has a better survivability rate. When does THAT happen? When his target is mafia, naturally.
I don't necessarily believe the above, I was just showing that setup speculation can get one anywhere. What we do know (sort or) is that Zinger is not a member of mafia.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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David Xanatos wrote:And also, are you willing to tell us the names of the people who've neighbourized you? I'm inclined to agree that both aren't likely to be town, so by having the two names we can analyse who's more likely to be non-town..
I don't like this at all.
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Zinger2099 wrote:Of course that didn't pan out at all like I planned. Oh well, these things happen. When you make a gambit, you have to be prepared to have it blow up in your face.
No ongoing game talk and shit, but I understand this completely. Xanatos, I still don't like your post.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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killerjester wrote:Overall, I got the feeling izak'snoooooottttt reallytrying to scumhunt. At least to me it felt like he's content with lynching Zinger today, and that's grounds for not scumhunting the rest of the day. Since he wouldn't want to lynch anyone else, there must be no point. I'd looove thoughts on izak, guys. I still believe Zinger is a wonderful lynch today, and his flip would give me some insight on izak. But I felt this point was note-worthy and definitely worth bringing up.
This is, again, the way izak normally plays.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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I will reformulate. I am ignoring only the pages that were written before my first post (1-16 I think). And by "ignore", I mean that I did read them, but I will not comment on them until a night has passed and kills have been revealed. Because that would help me arrive to more logical and spot-on conclusions.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Well not exactly "comment" in an ample fashion but I do have some reads. So, via the method of using my own posts as landmarks and narrating what is in between, here is what I gathered, in a stream of consciousness kind of way. If some of those look open ended or incomplete, then they most likely are, I don't like arriving to conclusions too hastily. If anything I say here is wrong courtesy of me not having read the first pages, I wouldn't really give a damn.
Ok so page 15 seems like a jolly place to start in.
1. Rodion votes Zinger as a thinly veiled pressure incentive, overtly enough.
2. silvedrummer posts something rather large which...is mostly fluff. Mentions his hate for walls, the scumminess of a Marcus guy, gives kinda lame reasons for Magna being scum. Is very protective of you (apparently despite the opinion of the other head, I don't really know what to think about that). Votes pine although he talked more about Marco, probably because Pine has more votes on him. Scumpoints
3. You questioning him about the actual reading of the walls, and the suspicious way he jumped on Pine. Townpoints. I probably should've paid attention to you more early-on, but whatever. Anyway, since you're out of my scope due to your tracker claim, I will disregard your posts from analysis for now.
4. Good straight questions and ultimatum from volkan. Alternate interpretation would be that he's rushing in on a quicklynch (5 definitive scum reads after 15 pages? Come on!). Dunno which of them right now.
5. Silver, instead, is CLEARLY rushing in on it, under the soft cushion of the lynch all lurkers banner. More scumpoints.
6. Zel1nk, following on Zinger, no real problem with that. I should probably ISO eazjo tomorrow, as Z1nger's uncc'd vig claim (in a 27 player large, there's little chance there are no vigs, k'mon) practically confirms him town. Will disregard from analysis.
7. Silver is dissonant right here. Like, he looked much more nah-its-bs on the vifam gig in his last post.
As a passive thing. There are many lurkers in this game, so what does the large number of people focusing on Pine tell me? Well, two things: either that is possible cause scum see easy meat there, or bussing for towncred. EITHER way, Pine wagon has-will have scum.
8. Again, izak is unreadable courtesy of his stupidity. Again, disregarded from analysis.
9. Vollkan backtracks on his ultimatum. Ok, I made my mind now. < scum
10. Vezok with the meta. Still null on it right now.
11. Vollkan points out a contradiction that's not there for the sake of argument. Yeah, moving on.
Currently Oversoul and Silver are on Pine. Dunno about oversoul, don't really care right now. But I think silver is scummy so my theory works. I don't like the wagon on Leon, because as I said I ISO'd him and found nothing wrong. Wait, Oversoul for prod? Oh, he must've just parked his vote. Maybe they're both scum.
12. KJ picking the easy discussion subject of me to hide himself behind of. Scumpoints.
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1. ThAd hard on theory, no real reads. Scumpoints, but minor
2. Lol, ALSO disregarding Zinger from my analysis. But for the record, I still think that goomba is a better vig target.
3. Silver tunneling hard.
4. ThAd in 379 making a subtle attempt to switch general focus away from the players currently active. Will look into it.
5. vezok's backtrack is weird, especially as he didn't actually say anything wrong. Don't know what to think of it right now,
6. Nero Cain only commenting on first pages, can't say if he's right or wrong. However, votes Chevre for a reason he might as well be voting Pine for. For now, that equates as a town tell.
7. Silver's post is hypocritical, as he could be asked the same question in reverse. Scumpoints. Also, by relational tells, gives me town vibes towards Nero Cain
8. Nero Cain admits that Pine is doing the same thing,quite correctly, and calls out silver for focusing on his tunneling and not answering other things. Town points.
9. "other head did that..."...I hate this line.
10. Chevre's post, largely WIFOM, or siding with the majority, or game theory. Votes me for bullshit reasons. Don't have a definite read on her though (sounds weird? Well, I don't see scum motivation yet). When I get a better read on her, hopefully I could also make sense of the Nero Cain interaction with her.
11. Rodion swiftly talks game theory. Now that I better think of it, his first post on 15 added up to this one make him an active lurker. Awesome, scum points.
12. Pinky blatantly lying. Scumpoints.
13. chk putting some easy to ask, rather random half of the time questions. Null
14. Threeisfrench doing nothing. Unreadable so far.
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1. I don't understand DonJosh's post. Actually, JOSH, CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEANT PLEASE?
2. Um...lol...
3. Rodion providing the games. Didn't take much effort so I'm not any more forgiving of him for doing that. The relevant part of his post (last 2 rows) is still pure tunneling on the leading wagon. Scumpoints.
4. Leon's post makes sense. Don't know if it makes him deserving of the "town" pinkie ring just yet, but it does single out the fact that KJ isn't doing the best job in the world in hunting for him.
5. chk with the apology. Still null
6. Chevre with the game theory and the wanting to get rid of me again. Scumpoints ahoy.
7. TIF...yup, now I'm sure he's/they're active lurking. Scumpoints.
8. Don't like pinky's second-last part of the post due to relational tells. Chevre's post DOES look like the wall post a lurker scum would make. Scumpoints, invalidated if Chevre is town. However, invalidated=/= town, and his lazy vote on izak proves me right.
9. chk reasonably explaining his thinking. null yet
10. Pappus' post is "what the fuck?!". Pending a read
11. David making a null post. Onward
12. Claiming unprovoked IS a reason to be weary of someone. I don't like andrew's jab at leon. Also calls Junpei town, like it means something after he claimed tracker, lol. Scumpoints
13. KJ backpedaling like a pro. Major scumpoints. The vote on izak doesn't help him either.
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1. Grasping at straws. Izak's entire play is terrible, no need to single out parts of it to sound more believable. KJ gets more scumpoints.
2. Chevre gogo mightly morphin' active lurking. Scumpoints.
3. Silver failing.
4. No idea what to think of Marco.
5. ThAd, again, talking game theory like a pro. Also looking like a responsible little protownie by requesting my replacement. Scumpoints.
6. Vezok with his usual sheeping. Null though, I understand this kind of behavior.
7. ThAd...you fail.
8. Volkan seeing vezok as easy meat to jab in some more attacks. I don't know if it applies both ways, but volkan scum->vezok town with some accuracy. Also, Volkan refusing to acknowledge any scumminess coming from Chevre.
9. Yeah, vezok explains it the way it actually happens. A bit unclear but I'll live with it.
10. If that is what you had in my head, then well, I don't really see its use, dear Pinky. Scumpoints.
11. Volkan with the Enlarged Dominate Person Bullshit Domain Divine Spell. Can't say I'm surprised.
12. Volkan being more of an obnoxious dick than me. Also his WIFOMing of WIFOM arguments. Fuck's sake, people, no jesters in this game. None.
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1. KJ is...unfortunately spot on here. Less scum read, but still not back to null.
2. ThAd now HONESTLY active lurking, instead of the usual walls of game theory. I'm proud of you, man. Also scumpoints.
3. DX still not providing much.
4. After so much time since his first post, which keep in mind, was nothing but a simple unvote, marco is still being utterly useless. I think intentionally. I don't like the guy
5. However, his stance on me can't come from scum, as I have said myself. So, again, there's your conftown. If he's not, I'm giving you money after the game ends. Disregard from analysis.
6. Thankfully, KJ's next post here puts him back in the scum category.
7. Chevre glorifying herself. She could just aswell jump around shouting "IM USEFUL IM USEFUL". Scumpoints.
8. PeregrineV starting to exist in the game. I would like to know why he voted DavidX. I HOPE HE SEES THIS SO HE COULD ANSWER.
9. chk taking the easy subjects of Zinger and me again. I'm...sightly leaning scum now, the slight coming from the fact that junpei is largely doing the same thing in many of his posts, and he's town.
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1. chk being...rather reasonable. Back to null.
2. Ok so Oversoul back with the big guns after a well deserved prod. Let's see what he says. Hmm...his reads are mostly null or town. Though I like the fact that he's voting silver. Null slightly leaning town.
3. Let's see what MoI has to say.
4. Oversoul's read of KJ puzzles me a bit, but I don't think it's anything too important.
5. Xanatos giving...ok answers to chk. Ok, maybe I should've not judged him so early. Back to null. Oh, andUnvote.
6. KJ failing. Points out izak's rolefishing, that is utterly meaningless. Not because it's izak, but because he was claimed third party at the time. It feels like an automatism, of scum wanting to get towncred. Scumpoints
7. TIF with the hop and no content as always. Scumpoint.
8. Chk range bussing.
9. Oooh, rodion doing something, let's have a look. First part is pure fluff, null. Second part is rather reasonable, but I'm not entirely sure why exactly those were the points he wanted to touch on, and not others.
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1. PeregrineV with the excuse to land a post after not doing so in quite a while.
At this point, by the way, I'm starting to doubt Nero Cain as a town read. Don't really get why he's not posting.
2. silver dismissing shit so as to make sure his tunnel target gets the rope. Scumpoints.
3. Pappums...PROMISED further reads but didn't provide any here. Scumpoints. Also notice how his posts are 100-posts apart. As in, evenly spread and very few. Hmm....
4. TIF practically begging to be hanged. Actually I will justVote: TIFfor now and see if anything changes over time.
5. DX, though caught up, answers only in respect to the current pages. My read on him changes as often as I shower (and I love taking showers).
6. Chevre answering to an OOOLD post of mine, unconcerned with stuff going on. Also, again, calls her own posts awesome.
7. Useless setup speculation down the page, will disregard.
8. Flooding thread like pros. And yeah, Xanatos is the epicenter.
9. Rodion back to his active lurking ways.
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1. Townpoints to MoI for attempting to stop the bullshitting.
Ohwait, just noticed MoI was also voting for Xanatos. Maybe there is something there after all...
2. Don't like xanatos' posts on this page.
3. andrew makes a...reasonable point, bu again, I don't like his participating in a single discussion.
4. Chevre with the obsession. Srs now, if you wanna fuck me, state it. I might allow. Still scum tho.
Rest of the page is people I said I will disregard, so moving on.
Meh, that's the first part. Yes, I HAVE read everything else, just not written my thoughts in the most coherent way. Expect the rest to come rather soon. My reads and suspicions can be easily extrapolated from this post.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Zinger2099 wrote:And for the record, the Jailkeeper role was originally created as a fix to the Doctor (to prevent the powerful Doc-Cop combo), so while it does Roleblock people, it spawned from the Doctor, not the Roleblocker. I don't see how being a Jailkeeper makes you more likely to be scum in any way.
Jailkeeper CAN'T be a scum role. So claiming jailkeeper is opportunistically scummy. Not saying that you are, just giving my general opinion.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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ZeL1nK wrote:mer wrote:Jailkeeper CAN'T be a scum role.
Er, yes it can. It's probably rarer, but I've seen it before..
Um...lol? Unless town had a rolecop, the moderator probably overdosed on opium when making the setup.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Pinky and the Brain wrote:Mafia Jailkeepers areexplicitlyallowed in Mini Normals. Why wouldn't they be allowed/possible in a Large Theme?
In fact, YOU'VE PLAYED IN A LARGE THEME GAME WITH A SCUM JAILKEEPER (admittedly you replaced out, BUT STILL)
Multiscum game. I rest my case.
That's down to fucking difference in opinion (or possibly mis-remembering), not lying.
As a side point or a passing reference, maybe. But when you use forged meta to make someone look suspicious, it's notfuckingdifference in opinion. Nor misremembering. It's just that - using forged meta to make someone look suspicious.
The point I was making wrt Zinger-Chevre was a possible scum-slip from Zinger (obviously I was trying to approach it subtly) - in hind-sight, pappums' interpretation of a town-slip is more logical.
How the hell is my izak vote 'lazy' when I made a case?
I understand the point you were trying to make. I didn't disprove it or anything, that's not the way relational tells work.
Your vote on izak IS lazy because:
1. izak gives enough material to make a case on anyway
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Zinger2099 wrote:
Yes it can. Why would you say that it can't?.
Because...*facepalms*...scum need only roleblock people. Not protect them. Unless one mafia jails another in order to protect him from a SK or something.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Zinger2099 wrote:
*facepalms*Meransiel wrote:Zinger2099 wrote:
Yes it can. Why would you say that it can't?.
Because...*facepalms*...scum need only roleblock people. Not protect them. Unless one mafia jails another in order to protect him from a SK or something.
I have been in games where scum had protective roles. Scum can need protection, from becoming Vig targets.
Mafia doctor =/= Mafia jailkeeper.
You do realize that if a scum team is reduced to 2 players, one of them a jailer, and decides to use his protect, they basically lose their night kill?
PEDIT: Ok, thanks, I'm cool with that, PV.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Junpei, you're a dedicated little kid. But, since I couldn't have said it better...
MagnaofIllusion wrote:But you don't lynch a claimed Town PR Day 1 no matter how bad their play is.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Junpei wrote:Also I'd note that Meransiel calls game theory talk scummy, however here he is talking about game theory. Do you not think it is really a scum tell Meransiel?
I'm not talking game theory, I am ironically dismissing ideas relevant to this game in particular. Different. Also, your claim, different from Zinger's or not, has nothing to do with Zinger's
Also, think about this: is a 4th player run up to lynch and having to claim a better or worse thing than losing an actual jailer? Well?Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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@pop quiz: I don't. Night will tell me. Night has not come.
Anyway, since you guys are not interested in killing off non-posters, I think I should place my vote on someone who is not TIF.Unvote
So my scumreads so far are DavidX, ThAd, Silver, Vollkan and Chevre (in no particular order, and disregarding Rodion and TIF cause of the reason on the line above). What should it be, hm...well Chevre and Vollkan are verbose enough to not ignore me calling them scummy, so I shouldn't bother there. And the prize goes to...
VOTE: Silver
And now I'm patiently waiting for people to accuse me of sheeping. I think I will ISO DavidX now, maybe post what I find tomorrow.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Junpei wrote:Zinger2099 wrote:
I am not derailing the thread. The theory we are discussing is pertinent to the current situation and has merit to be discussed.Junpei wrote:Also notice how Zinger is derailing the thread with you, this topic of game theory this early is worthless.
Whether or not there is a mafia jail keeper shouldn't be relevant to you as you believe yourself to be a town jail keeper correct?
Although I have to admit, this comment here is pretty intelligent.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Junpei wrote:Meransiel wrote:
So my scumreads so far are DavidX, ThAd, Silver, Vollkan and Chevre (in no particular order, and disregarding Rodion and TIF cause of the reason on the line above).
Do you want to correct yourself Meransiel? Where is Killerjester on this list? Your post earlier heavily implies you would want to lynch him, and he is not a non-poster.
Forgot about him for a second, sorry. Yes, you are correct, KJ too.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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@silver - the size of a wagon is less important than whether you're the first one voting on him or not. And you said in your post what my opinion of Pine is: just a simple lurker.
@volkan - It does. Only multiscum have a reason to have Mafia JK. We will know that this is multiscum after the night passes. We can PRETEND this is not multiscum until a night passes. Comprendre?
@Rodion - Quick question. Are. You. Stupid? How the fuck can I advocate the lynch of someone I think is town?Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Rodion wrote:One more thing!
Meransiel wrote:3. Rodion providing the games. Didn't take much effort so I'm not any more forgiving of him for doing that. The relevant part of his post (last 2 rows) is still pure tunneling on the leading wagon. Scumpoints.
Please explain why I get scumpoints for answering chkballin's question.
You get no points, neither scum nor town for answering. That is why I said the only part of your post that is relevant is the end, and the end is scummy.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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ZeL1nK wrote:Actually, JK isnt even redundant in a game with a single scum faction. It could be used, for example, to both roleblock and stop people targeting a scummy claimed-PR. .
I don't understand this statements. And we can have multi-layered discussions just fine. As long as the top layer is relevant.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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David Xanatos wrote:@Leon (Post #820) - Don't you find it a little.. ironic that you're calling a Hydra out on being semi-inactive?
Meran - "Anyway, since you guys are not interested in killing off non-posters" - Might sound a little nitpicky, but why use that phrase? Are you serious advocating the lynch of essentially a random for being less active?
No, I have suspects that are lurking right now, but I'm NOT suspecting them for the lurking in particular. Nothing random there. But since people don't seem to care about those, I will let Zel1nk handle the issue. Oh, about that, almost forgot:
@Zel1nk: If you vig Zinger, I will replace out.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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David Xanatos wrote:Also..
"hm...well Chevre and Vollkan are verbose enough to not ignore me calling them scummy, so I shouldn't bother there."
There are two ways I can see this being meant.. care to point me to which way you meant it? Once again it's a nitpick but it's something that did flag up to me..
Chevre, at least, has a nice time ducking up at me (sorry if this expression does not exist in the English language, it is a direct translation). So they would argue the reasons with which I call them scummy even if I don't vote them, which works for investigation.
@Zel1nk: Let me reformulate. If you vig Zinger I will replace out AND blacklist you.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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