ASOIAF: Test of Faith Mafia (Game Over!)
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Sweet, looks like everyone's figured out everything already.
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An Andy/Plum hydra? Yeah, I could be down with killing that too - but the Has thing sounds funnier so Bilbo can be town for a while.-
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I am not ready for this much explosion.
Magua looks town.
Magua and MoI both might be trying to exploit my 'attack DGB=town meta' Bleh.
MoI is not a good day 1 lynch, even if you think he's scum.
He'll be a good Day 2 lynch though.
I clearly missed the boat on the SK hate - she unvoted from a wagon that was being run up to generate discussion...oooooh, scummy. (<---might be sarcasm)
Let's try this;
Unvote: LynchMePls
Vote: Lost Butterfly
I agree with SK's call that LB is being a bit sheepy, which I wouldn't expect from them.-
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SpyreX wrote:Thor wrote:MoI is not a good day 1 lynch, even if you think he's scum.
He'll be a good Day 2 lynch though.
You done best be explainin yo
LynchMePls wrote:Thor665 wrote:MoI is not a good day 1 lynch, even if you think he's scum.
He'll be a good Day 2 lynch though.
Explain this please.
Really? I'm not sure if both of you are pulling my leg or being pedantic or what. Let's settle for a simple, MoI is not a good Day 1 lynch, and we can debate the rest tomorrow.
@MoI - I have a question, mostly I just skim over your walls anyway so maybe I'm missing something, but here;
1. You believe that if Vezok is scum, that the LMP wagon has a disproportionate amount of scum on it.
2. DGB calls you out for lining up a bunch of town mislynches.
3. You vote DGB and she is scummy because she's aware that there is a lot of town on the LMP wagon.
Did I follow that correctly?
@LostButterfly - it's amazing, I hadn't realized it was scummy to vote Lost Butterfly in this game. Man, now we'll definitely have to lynch you because than we'll know the entire wagon is scum. Win/win, yeah?-
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I skim a lot, but I do recall you calling both SK and me in quick succession scum while quoting our votes for you as evidence. What did I miss?-
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Bilbo Baggins wrote:Sooooo we're town for voting Cow? Making ol' NordIC gods belly-laugh?
Well, I might be MythIC, or, considering the way that thread works, I'll actually be a totally different thing that has nothing to do remotely with the initial thought at all by the time it's finished. It's interesting to watch the growth in action though.
Bilbo Baggins wrote:Thor wrote:
MoI is not a good day 1 lynch,even if you think he's scum.
Run this by me one more time. How does a scumlynch =/= a good lynch?
(Boldface mine.)
Okay, well at least you went into my answer a bit later, so I won't mock you totally on this one. But, seriously, there are a handful of players I just really don't consider solid Day 1 lynch options. If he's scum, look for a buddy and let's lynch the buddy. If he's alive Day 2 I'll be willing to start considering him. At the moment he is doing...well, his usual hyper logic with a few leaps I think are silly, but which overall looks like scumhunting, and I'd rather donk him around and make him explain some of the odd logic than run a serious wagon on him in any way, shape, or form. If you want to run a "lol, bad logic" wagon let's at least run up vezo or DGB or something because at least i could probably accept that as a good idea. This isn't.
Empking wrote:Benmage is town. His thinking is exactly the same as mine.
Benmage just donked Vezo and MoI.
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Yeah, but non eof you dill donkeys suspect him yet, all we've got is LOL...(insert some sort of case here, if one has been made I don't know what it is). Seriously? You're voting MoI with no case on Day 1 to get him to...crack? Yeah, that wouldn't work on me, or on half a dozen players probably in this game. If I'm missing the case feel free to clue me in, but the current wagon sucks except that maybe desperate scum may be on it if MoI is town. Whoop-dee-doo on that being very useful to us Day 2.-
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I explained in the post right above your remarks what I thought was going on. I'm not sure how I can make it any clearer - everyone with half a brain knows what this wagon is (unless I really am just an idiot missing a case - feel free to point me towards it).
It's a silly pressure wagon.
If MoI is scum he isn't going to break and start sobbing like a schoolgirl (that's Mina's job )
If MoI is town we just lynched a solid protown player for the negligible gain of knowing some scum were probably salivating and dry humping this wagon. Whoo-hoo.
How about we get a Lost Butterfly vote for claiming the first voter on an RVS wagon that ballooned up unvoting the next time they post in thread is a scumtell because they weren't willing to stick by the wagon, and also for sheeping ruddy Empking reasoning. Seriously.-
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Oh, shi- I forgot, I was talking to SPyrex.
HEY, SPYREX, I AM THE [CURSE WORD OF CHOICE]. THIS WAGON IS [CURSE WORD OF CHOICE] [2ND CURSE WORD OF CHOICE]ING JOIN ME ON IT AND WE WILL [3RD CURSE WORD OR GENERAL INVECTIVE]ING OWN![MULTIPLE EXCLAMATION MARKS].
There, now he'll sheep me.-
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@Magua - I grow on people. Like a fungus.
@LB - I can think of multiple motivations with varying alignments for both players. Are you actually buying into Empking's "lol, SK is probably LMP's scumbuddy and got scaridy-cat about wagon strength" tell?
Also, if they're so obv. scum why are you dancing around with me instead of screaming at all the lack wits not noticing and wagoning other players? Last i checked Mina could run a mean train, and yet I don't hear a choo-choo, so...?
And, cute, now we're claiming my reads are so bad i must not be reading the game. Queue up the music for "Thor isn't playing as well as he should be" It's a popular song this year.-
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Bleh, fair point.
your screaming death clan technique is weaker than mine though - you need more exclamation points and expletives.
Though that MoI wagon is bigger - thoughts of your top competition?-
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@Spyrex - I hear you talking, and all i translate is 'gut'. You haven't sold me on nuffin'.
@LB
1. I brought up Mina because I want more of Mina, i can read Mina.
2. I actually thought calling you out on sheeping Emp was not a bad call. Everyone and their uncle seemed to agree he was bubbling around with theoretical nonesense and there you are backing his play. Bleh.
3. The interacting with me spiel was because I...had read but not read the post counts clearly enough...yes...but basically I thought the wagon was smaller and for how sure you were coming back at me with stuff I was displeased with the focus.
4. Can you point out the MoI case to me? I legitimately do not believe it exists. Please prove me wrong and I will let you touch my beard.
@LB/Faraday - you don't get to claim knowledge of my meta and then act like it's reasonable for Spyrex to call me out for an aggressive ay 1 defense. Bad!-
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SpyreX wrote:Thor's bizarre defense just makes this even worse
How is it bizarre in any way? Be specific.-
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@Spyrex - IN THIS GAME how is he being scummy at all? I disagree with some of his apparent stated logic, but I don't see him as an optimal lynch.
@LB
Saetal's point on MoI is that he disagreed with what you and Emp are pushing on SK. Yeah, *big* scumtell there.
DGB is on him for the fake counterclaim - to heck with that.
Bilbo is on him for...not sticking by his comment that if Vezo is scum than the LMp push had scum...but yet MoI never claimed evidence that Vezo is scum.
And now he appears to mostly be attracting heat for attacking DGB, which is the usual response for attacking DGB in my opinion, and is very much not a scumtell.
This is the case, a disparate hodge podge of nothing? I think I was being kinder by referring to it as a pressure wagon.
I pooh-pooh on your Empking till I see him produce some results. I haven't played with him much but I haven't exactly walked away with my bosom aquiver afterwards to the point I'd want to sheep him.
So you seriously believe SK got spooked off of scumbuddy LMP? If that's the case, why aren't either of you pushing on LMP, he'd be the more valuable scum, yeah?
EBWOP
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Also, did you accuses me of being a lurker?
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Setael wrote:MoI wrote:If Vezok flips scum those that actively chose to not vote uber-VI Vezok and instead went with LMP have juicy, juicy scum waiting to be picked hiding in that list.
How is joining an RVS wagon in any way "actively choosing" LMP over Vezok? If Vezok flipped scum, I'd actually look at you as a likely buddy for trying to tie random voters to him.
MoI wrote:Why is getting off an L-3 (I think) wagon a scum-tell when Saint K's vote was the first vote and clearly RVS? Should he be required to keep his RVS vote on a wagon if he doesn't see it as valid?
Why is it scummy to get on but we're not allowed to question anyone who gets off?
@Saetal - here is your vote on MoI.
Stated issues are disagreement with how he's calling the Vezok LMP wagon connection in the first quote.
Second issue is asking why it's scummy that SK fled from the wagon wailing and flinging hands in the air.
You then voted him - did I miss an angle of your case?-
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SpyreX wrote:So, I'm saying take that meta and throw it into the sun and if you're gonna tsk tsk it better be for better than what I'm getting.
Tsk Tsk.
All I'm saying is he's a good enough player that he's not worth lynching on this weak as sin wagon you guys are cobbling together. It's silly. Stop acting like you've caught obv. scum - the case isn't there, it's a collection of reads all agreeing someone is scummy for different things and is, in fact, multiple RVS quality votes that have conglomerated into a big wagon off of nothing. I doubt any of the current voters could explain a reason for the wagon that the others would concur with - that's why it's terrible.
And Day 2 is a better day to discuss MoI lynchings, straight up.-
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SpyreX wrote:And... if this wagon is weak as sin and made from nothing why in the name of everything holy would it be open to debate tomorrow?
I wouldn't want it to be this wagon Day 2, but I bet on Day 2 it wouldn't be this wagon.
DrippingGoofball wrote:Have you looked at the player list? Solid day 1 options are a rarity. We're going to have to cut into the muscle.
DrippingGoofball wrote:I'm on MoI for a whole lot more than a fake counterclaim. Don't speak for me.
You also screamed that he was obvious scum for thinking vezok was scum which he never claimed, but I was trying to keep it simple. Could you give me your sentence in a sentence or two? I did request it a couple of times.
DrippingGoofball wrote:What's this bizniss about optimal lynches? It's hard enough to organize a town to lynch scum... now we have to optimize for gawd-knows-what nebulous criteria? NO.
I disagree with this on such a huge level.
Locke Lamora wrote:Thor: who else would you rather not lynch on D1? Do you think ANY of the points on MoI are good?
I've outlined the MoI wagon as I see and understand it. So far I've had a couple people go "yeah, that's it...::shrug::" and a couple others go "No, that's not it at all, you don't understand ::act busy as opposed to clarify::"
I'm really thinking I'm dead on the money here.
Let's clarify to 'rather not lynch in this weak way' a bit, but - yes - there are other players in general on the site and specifically in this game I'd rather not see dead on Day 1 because I think it hurts town's chances. It's awkward to say, but basically the list as it specifically goes to this game is you, MoI, cow, and Lost Butterfly. Yes, I am well aware of where my vote is.-
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DrippingGoofball wrote:hasdgfas wrote:...but you're being overly difficult[...].
You also seem to be taking little snipes at people. It's like you're trying to be annoying.
That would be the dumbest, most counterproductive scum strategy EVA, don't you think?
That's a good point.
Unvote: Lost Butterfly
Vote: Maemuki
Reasoning - I dislike the big wagons.-
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Lost Butterfly wrote:well, flip is the wrong word, but knows I am town.
Scum and Cult in this game... (though I'm of the opinion LMP isn't cult). Not sure I'm sold by that as a good tell just yet. Padding for future case, maybe, but not a viable tell now methinks.-
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Hinduragi wrote:Thor wrote:Reasoning - I dislike the big wagons.
What don't you like?
Iso me.
Also, stop skimming. i can do it because I have charming wit and a handsome beard, but it's my schtick - you can't have it.-
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*points at LB*
*Points at cow*
*Brings hands together*
*Does the hokie-pokie*-
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Bilbo Baggins wrote:So, let me get this straight.
1) You think he's scum.
2) You don't want to lynch scum_Magna.
3) You think that keeping him around will help us find his buddies?
4) The Magna lynch is bad logic.
1 - I have never said I thought MoI was scum. I haven't said I thought he was town either - his wagon looks weak enough I would predict town, frankly. I certainly don't think he's scum and am sticking my neck out this far for him.
2 - If I 100% knew he was scum I would lynch him. Other than that this is an awkward question laced with your bias which has no proof.
3. If he is scum, yes, I think him being alive longer will give us more information on his buddies - that's how it is with anyone.
4. Yes.
Bilbo Baggins wrote:Because I fail to see how a scumlynch is not a desireable lynch D1. What kinda' Norse weed you smoking?
If we knew 100% he was scum - sure, it's desirable.
If it's 50/50, it's not desirable because he still might be town and will be more helpful after a day than not. Duuuur. Why is this so hard to grok for people? Has no one been in a game where MoI tagged scum within like two days? I have...multiple times.
Bilbo Baggins wrote:We do. Set and Spy do. Votecounts are for reading, Thor.
So are Spy's posts when he's mocking me not agreeing with me
Bilbo Baggins wrote:SpyreX wrote:Tootown4lynch is not a default state - especially with the conditional "ohh TOMORROW would be fine".
Still confused as to how lynching scum_Magna today is not optimal play.
Bilbo Baggins wrote:So apparently being "good" at this mafia thing is enough to spare you from a lynch? Good to know.
OH WAIT.
That's shit reasoning, sorry Thor.
OH WAIT. I'm not sorry.
People legitimately advance the idea of policy lynches Day 1, because "bad" players must be removed Day 1, and regardless of their alignment because overall it will help the game.
I'm advocating a policy...no lynch? Whatever - it's the mirror reflection of the idea. There are certain players it's better to let simmer for at least a night because it is more likely to help town by them being around.
Bilbo Baggins wrote:And... if this wagon is weak as sin and made from nothing why in the name of everything holy would it be open to debate tomorrow?
To: Thor
From: Spy and Andy[/quote]
*sigh* I already answered this when Spy said it. I'll answer it again;
His lynch is open, this current crud case would not be.
I agree with LB's question towards you about your cult recruiter call. I also seriously question calling a cult recruiter by a person playing a 'under the radar' game while also pissing blood about attention on Maemuki.-
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Here's the non-wall version.
Bilbo is being silly. and bases all his outrage on MoI being 100% scum and the case on him being, somehow, awesome.
I agree with LB's question towards Bilbo about your cult recruiter call. I also seriously question calling a cult recruiter by a person playing an 'under the radar' game while also pissing blood about attention on Maemuki.-
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Bilbo Baggins wrote:Thor665 wrote:2 - If I 100% knew he was scum I would lynch him.
I'm just trying to understand the logic in the universe where lynching scumreads D1 is not a good move.
1) I can accept that you don't think he's scum. But the issue isn't really whether you think he's scum or not; the issue is that you're against lynching scum D1.
3) I can agree with that, but again- lynching scum > lynching town.
1 - I left part 2 in as an answer to your part 1. Please stop putting words into my mouth. I'm against lynching certain players on a Day 1 wagon even if people are bellowing 'obv. scum' because, newsflash, it's not obvious.
3. Sure - this has bearing how in the what now? Are you assuring me that MoI is going to flip scum? Because I don't think you are. I want to be on the record for being against this lynch, in the odd 33% chance he flips scum I'll look silly, in the more likely 66% considering the gak case I'll look brilliant. I'm game for those odds.
Bilbo Baggins wrote:Who are your top scumreads, Thor?
Maemuki for sanity reasons.
Benmage for not crowing about the MoI lynch more.
How about you vote Maemuki instead...she's scum, and, y'know, we can't possibly not lynch scum, unless you're un-American or something.
Bilbo Baggins wrote:Erm, not the same thing. If someone is scummy you lynch them. [snip] Not lynching a scumread is lunacy.
Let's pretend i was really good at the game of Mafia (you'll have to work with me on this example )
Okay, so let's say I'm good enough I have a 10% better than average chance to peg scum within two lynches.
If you think I'm "scummy" you conclude that it's definitely not worth keeping me around to see my reads on Day 2? Even if you want to lynch me Day 2, and I flip town, I'll have served town better. Yeah, if I'm scum you bought me a day - consider it a 1:1 trade or something. I don't feel this is an off the wall concept I'm shopping here. Why don't you try to explain, strategically, why I'm wrong instead of just going "THOR DOESN"T WANT TO LYNCH SCUM!" Because...that's either not an argument and/or is strawman enough that it's not valid to sell me on anything.
Bilbo Baggins wrote:HasCow wrote:I'm also a little worried about Thor, but that can wait until Day 2,
I just found this ironic.
I found it histronic, but I don't take my pills enough.-
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Lost Butterfly wrote:Thor: have you ever expressed a similar position on someone in a game before? I.e. the anti policy lynch.
No.
I've probably made less explicit calls of 'let's not lynch Player 'X' today, but certainly nothing like this.
EBWOP = Dorf, forgot this with last wall - ignore the man behind the curtain!-
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Nexus wrote:Unless, of course, he comes up with this magical case on some other people which convinces me not to vote for him.
*sigh*
We can live in hope, eh?
Unvote: Maemuki
Vote: Nexus
I can hang a hat here.
Seriously, Nexus, what the frell?-
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Benmage wrote:I agree with Magua, nexus is reading town. The vote switchers from MoI to nexus blow.
You mean...Cow? He was the only one.
Also, why so laid back this game? Did they finally give you the right medication or something? With an MoI run Day 1 I sort of expected you to be diddling his skull and laughing uproariously the entire time as you quaffed beer, instead we get...whatever this is. Whassup?-
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@DGB - his wagon is down to L-2, are we still requiring a claim, and on what grounds? We don't need to do this wagon out of force of impetus at this stage. Do you really feel happy with how the wagon has grown and how it got to this stage? I'm not. I'd still like it to die like a weasel in an acid bath. There are multiple questionable votes on it, and there is lack of clarity about why he is scum. This is not a good lynch.
Specifically - how do you feel about Benmage's play today?-
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Besides Daycops I've never seen one.
And he's at L-2.
Setael can be town now for seeing what I'm seeing. (though I'd say Benmage in his list, not Magua)-
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SpyreX wrote:There is definitively more than that if MoI is scum and quadruply more if he's cult.
Please explain quadruply cult vs. scum.-
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So, since more cult will be on the wagon than scum would be....how many scum and cult do you think we have here in this game? I would have predicted 1-2 cult, tops. You apparently have knowledge that says otherwise.
Also, I predict your prediction is correct...since you predicted every possible outcome. Whoop-dee-doo.
SpySpy can go into the scum pool to splash around for a while.
Everyone else may proceed with the zombie sleep walk on this lynch.-
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So the addition of 1 cult as a potential alternate wagon pusher will dramatically increase (quadriplepy even) the amount of scum on the wagon? By...what, 1?
Someone is using bad arguments and wording because they're scum and aren't actually scumhunting via information they claim to believe.-
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Kast wrote:Thor will be nigh unbearable if MoI flips town.
Considering how you guys are blatantly plotting lynches of me based on pretty much whatever MoI flips - darn skippy I will be. This is stupid as hell; Thor could be town defending scum, but if MoI is scum, Thor is Cult, and if his is Cult Thor is scum, though other derpy head says if MoI is cult Thor is obv. cult, and blerpy-derpy-dooh-daa.
And I do work on logic, it's just logic I rarely can or choose to explain out in small words. Plus, what logic I have explained people have become exceedingly bizarre about as they translate it out to mean lots of different things that I have repeatedly noted are not what I'm saying.
Proceed away.
Also, Kast, any read at all on Benmage - and why do you not have a read on him yet?-
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Between the combined reasoning of the two of you I don't think I'm exaggerating much. I'll concede you're mostly hung up on me if MoI flips scum/cult - which goes against every basic logic of scum/cult defending someone, but rock on with that.-
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@Spyrex - take a glance at what Kast was spouting, add it to you, I stand by the comment.
@DGB/Spyrex - If I start adamantly defending him while denying there is ever a time it will be good to lynch him can we stop this wagon? You are both insaner than me by a good three steps.
@Benmage - I'm a batter not a catcher.-
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Well, to be honest you did, and than Spy countered, and then you accepted his counter as valid, and then I came back with a counter offer to try and stop the MoI wagon...so, what's the confusion?-
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DrippingGoofball wrote:Yes, the part about "do not lynch him today, but lynch him tomorrow" is a burr in my cheese.
Please quote where I said this.
Than realize that I said I'd be willing to talk about lynching him tomorrow - which is something else on every level.-
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AlmasterGM wrote:Anyway, all that being said, MoI is posting elsewhere on site and not claiming.
He posted once a day in a different game each day.
He has posted once, in one other game, since his last post here.
Please expand on how this is an obvious scumtell?
Also, he's at ruddy L-2.-
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Guys, I got a really cool PM last night, I'll paraphrase it;
Magna was a mislynch.
You say it coming.
You've gained350exp. points.
Thor665has leveled up!
Gain +1 Beard
Gain +1 Charm
Gain +100 Full of yourself
I'm game for this;
Vote: Nexus
I forget who else I wanted to lynch yesterday, they're probably all scum too.-
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Awwww - total color code fail, the joke is ruined and left in sadface-ville.-
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Unvote: Nexus
Vote: Benmage
Actually, I'd rather explore this.-
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You should vote Benmage. 100% of the time my beard is 33% correct.-
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You make it look so easy, I wonder if anyone else can do it?-
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I don't recall understanding how Magua=Cult Recruiter.-
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SpyreX wrote:Benmage is town AT THIS JUNCTURE trust me on this.
I feel like I'm being assaulted by wet wiffle balls.
I don't have an issue with the SK wagon anymore though, so carry on as you will for the moment.
I reckon if nobody can give me a quick bullet point as to why Magua is obv. cult leader that wagon should die now.
My recollection of the case is "lawl, he's lurker and Magua usually isn't" and that has to be me misrepresenting and diminishing the case, right?-
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Nobody else sees Benmage's total wimpification as a glaring and flashing red streetlight of 'you shouldn't be ignoring this'
Because it hurts my eyes.-
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Espeonage wrote:Thor makes bad voteS
Really?
How is voting Benmage a "bad vote"? Do you have a strong town read on him you forgot to mention?-
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Who was my other opening vote - Nexus? You can explain how that one was a bad vote too. Or at least clarify which is bad and why.-
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How is Benmage "obvious town"?
I don't see it and it would save time if I could - clear it up please?-
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Espeonage wrote:I can't really see any concievable scum motivation behind the content in his posts. There aren't many but those posts are town posts.
Which makes him...obvious town?
I also disagree with you about a lack of potential scum motivation - I don't have enough information to feel confident blurting that out.
What are your thoughts on my call about Benmage playing unlike he normally does? I've played with Benmage as town - it is nothing like the current situation. Do you have any thoughts on this meta accusation of an obvious town player?
You also call MoI lynch bad because he was looking town.
You than call me scum for defending MoI (and call my blatant wagoning attempts to run a counter wagon on him opportunistic voting to avoid a big wagon).
Thoughts?-
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I didn't deflect - I specifically said I didn't like either wagon and called both SK and MoI town.
Could you link me to a Ben as town game where he plays like this?-
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@Espeo - I see apologies for missing too many days in a row from him in that game, and I see zero issue with reading up, and never is there a day he manages to post where it's not multiple posting - unlike here.
Also, he's not offending anyone, and over half his posts are dueling with me.
Look at the town game - insults, aggravation, excitment, small firework displays, and a lesson to the kids at the end that town don't try to look town, town find scum.
So you're saying he's being fairly quiet and town looking?
I say that's him being scum.-
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Lost Butterfly wrote:oooh. oooooooooh.
When is Mina getting back? I can read Mina.-
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Bilbo Baggins wrote:Thor665 wrote:Let's clarify to 'rather not lynch in this weak way' a bit, but - yes - there are other players in general on the site and specifically in this game I'd rather not see dead on Day 1 because I think it hurts town's chances. It's awkward to say, but basically the list as it specifically goes to this game is you, MoI, cow, and Lost Butterfly. Yes, I am well aware of where my vote is.
So, why was LB such a worthwhile Day 1 vote here?
Go read any game I have ever been in with Mina.
Watch pressure happen.
Watch very accurate reads come about.
Bilbo Baggins wrote:going down the Benmage-isn't-obvTown-let's-argue-this point route when it comes to his Benmage vote, after the whole MoI-case-is-nonexistent-&c. thing. But when Espe says Ben is a bad vote, and Thor argues against that.
Are you saying I'm scummy because I don't believe Benmage is an obvious mislynch but I did believe MoI was? Yeah, it might be a shock but I think people I vote are usually scummy. It's a habit.
What do you think of the Benmage meta read I offered to explain my case? You didn't seem to think it was worth mentioning despite having issues with me arguing how Benmage isn't obvious town.-
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I had to look up rumbaed - I'm getting 'past tense of rumba (the dance' I'll go with you're insulting me, but...
In the game Espeo linked you downplayed your scummy winning game as not one of your best and that the scum were weak. You think it's a prime bit of meta experience with you? What about the other Song games I've played with you (and some other games as well) where I think bombastic is really a succinct and accurate way to describe your play, and you're clearly playing anything but here.
I disagree that dumb Thor = town Thor. I'm an equal opportunity idiot. But thanks for downplaying my play without actually really addressing it. It's usually a good idea to suggest anyone who attacks you is too dumb to be trusted. Cute.-
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Bilbo Baggins wrote:@Thor - Regarding LB, possibly fair enough (though one wonders how effective the pressure would be when Mina is not only hydra'd with Faraday but also after you said outright that you generally would not consider LB an advantageous Day 1 lynch among the players in this game).
You'll note when I made that list I noted the oddity of my vote - I basically had a decision to make as far as answering the question or continuing the angle effectively. If you're going to call me on something please look at the whole picture.
Bilbo Baggins wrote:Regarding the Benmage thing: I'm having a bit of trouble articulating it, but it seems to me out of balance the way you argued that MoI was super-advantageous not to lynch Day 1 because he was so not doing scum things and why couldn't people see that it was stupid vs. the way you reacted when Espe said that your votes were bad because Ben was obvtown and you argued it. You dismissed - in no uncertain terms, in fact, you argued that there literally was no MoI case and you would not concede that believing otherwise was believable. Yet when Espe comes and argues that your vote was stupid because Ben is obviously Town, you take offense.
I strongly disagree with this conclusion.
Go back and look - my issue with the MoI case was because it was a conglomeration of votes from lots of different reasoning, none of which particularly agreed (I also disagreed with a lot of the individual cases and said so)
Espeo calls out my Benmage vote as being on obv. town, yet when asked why Ben is obv. town the answer is a weak "none of his posts look scummy"
Finally - please explain how disagreeing with a wagon, means I have to automatically disagree with anyone who disagrees with a wagon I start. That doesn't actually make any sense. Also, my big disagreement with Espeo was asking for opinions on his case, pretty blatantly reading the game he linked, and explaining why I still didn't see it as applicable evidence.
What I got with my MoI defense was "lol, Thor is stupid defending obv. scum and is obv. scum now himself" Totally different reactions. Please explain the mental hypocrisy in my head that is being showcased.
Also, you seriously find Benmage townish right now? I want you to place this opinion on record.
@Empking - that's exactly DGB's point methinks.-
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Benmage wrote:Dumb Thor is a town Thor.....this blind tunneling Thor may be a bird of a different color.
Man, I cause reverse reads fast around here.
So you can't be scum because as scum you're perfect? I'm not sure I should buy that.
Blargh failure to link posts.-
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Empking wrote:Thor665 wrote:
@Empking - that's exactly DGB's point methinks.
What's DGB's point? Its a null tell
She just outlined a belief that scum strategy would not involve the actions SK is currently taking. That's either a town tell call on SK or I hate DGB. If you disagree with the town tell you want to debate with the source not the translator.-
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@Benmage - when I track them down and read them I'll get back to you. Besides, I'm too busy tunneling you which was showcased in one post and flipped your read on me.-
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@Ben - If I'm stupid I'm town, but if I'm tunneling I could be scum. The implicit suggestion is 'get off me bro and I'll forgive you the trespass and call you town.'-
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