In the Court of the Gods (Game Over)
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Pregame notes:
1. Out of all the gods, the god of rewards is the most dangerous if DGB is scum (endgame worthy). I would heavily montior DGB's actions should any of her recpients recieve the double voting power flips scum. Just a side note while playing the game if DGB is scum.
2. If Fishyfish was scum I'd just publically shorten the deadlines because 72 hour days just cripple town. He's confirmed scumz, but that doesn't matter since he's immortal. He just needs to noise it up to win and that's very easy as a god. Considering that he can use his ability every day would confirm him in itself.
Analysis:
1. Lovely, page 1 and NS is acting phunny. If there is a scum gambit, it'd see NS using this as noise (lol God hunting instead of priest-scum hunting) inducing. Like in the pregame notes, look at the interactions.
2. I dislike Hito's prioirties on god hunting. Mainly because in order of town to win, they should look for the priest-scums who'd know who's scum and work back from there. If we know who God scum is, then we can't lynch the man. We still need to look within the priest order to hunt for scumz. Remember: people in the order of X god aren't all auto scum with him >< (see front page). Hito-scum points.
3. Page 2 and I'm a bit tired of Andrus' posts. It's still early so I'm being lenient here.
4. I agree with the LLD read simply because it's a lot of effort to prove a logical fallicy wrong. Honestly, scum wouldn't care so much. It's a good source of theory noise that's been debunked.
5. Somehow people forgot that to beat scum-god they should lynch the scum-priests, not the town-guy who may confirm who the scum god is. Considering that we "can't do anything" from this discovery we just deligate noise back to the God. And trust me, you can generate a ton of noise and drown out everyone once you are outed as scum (OoT).
6. I'm disliking Andrus for the same reasons as my 2,5.
7. The manhimself :S. The hell? What's with this train of thought. Out of all of them I disike the Andrus/Themanhimself over hito (hito had some better posts at this point)Dude, Jack-scum counter claiming an immortal god is kinda a stupid theory lol since it nets Jack-scum a total of 0 mislynches.
FYI: If Jack is lying, the motivation doesn't make sense for scum-Jack. TBH, I could totally see a town-Jack lying gambit happening here (I'd totally do it for reactions).
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1. I got a clearer picture of the Jack scum theory now. Meh, I still think Jack-scum motivation would need to be heavily stupid induced as seen above.
2. B-b-but I lie as town for gambit reasons. :< I'm sad that we have some pure absoluters. I find the truth to be effective as scum, and lying effective as town. Tricky reading, is triiiiickkky :p (Read OoT Mafia for that) / fluff @ theman
3. I like LLD's arguments still. It's giving me town reads between Equinox and LLD over their Jack case/defence arguments. Themanhimself's counter point is less impressive since LLD has more rounded points, while the TMH is repeating a lot of his previous arguments. He's not specific to his arguments (i.e. THIS IS JUST SCUMMY versus LLD's THIS ACTION WAS DONE LIKE THIS SO IT'S SCUMMY). I would rank LLD above TMH in terms of town read.
4. Huh how is lynching 1 scum and having a 4 NK turn over in LoTR mafia a trade off? If town mislynched wouldn't there be 4 kills during the night anyways? I'm pretty sure that a bullet proof role cop isn't a multi vengeful townie/SS. Andrus your explaination of the trade off is literally off. IBH, confirming the gods just reads as a lazy justification of a mislynch.
I'd rather have someone mislynched because we thought he was scum, rather then go: "oops, well now we know the unkillable guy is scum. It was worth it lololol".
5. I find NS's scum read on page 8 quite underwhelming considering both players haven't post much v.V.; Equinox confirms my earlier town read with this.You can't judge people on lurking attacks if they didn't post on the site in the time of absense. Now if you did a post search and found they're activly lurking and avoiding the game on purpose THAT'S A CLEAR CUT SCUM ARGUMENT.
It's the hyper activity man. It's been like 2 days (Zang posted on the 31, he doesn't post on the 1st and its lurking. Then he posts on the 2nd. Wooooo 1 day absense with 1 post in an another ongoing game.) Same with Spy. Way to discredit yourself NS.
6. Hmm, you know something I'm getting a hint of frustration from TMH. Something bugs me since towneis are more emotional in their cases since their more emotionally invested in being right.
7. Feysal page 9: why would Jack inform NS of impending gambit if one of the ideas was to generate reads from the gods (e.g. Jack trying to read gods and go from there). :s. If Jack trusted NS, I'd find that oddly supicious considering that we're starting out with the assumption that one of the gods is scum AND it's random. So as townies, YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO GIVE A CLEAR to A POTENTIAL SCUM SUSPECT right off the bat.
I think though we're reaching a breaking point of theory crafting, and not enough scum/town attacking.
8. Huh, isn't OMGUS (Page 9) saying that you don't have a case on Jack NS? OMGUS doesn't occur in a counter voteif you have a scum case you know. The fact that you disregarded your vote on Jack as inconcequential is suuuuuuupppppeeeeeeerrrr supicious.
At the moment I'd be willing to lynch Andrus. I'd totally god kill NS. I'd consider investigating TMH since his emotional play makes my gut alarm saying something. I want to read more SPY stories. I also have got a bad gut vibe from Fey from his page 9 wall and would consider looking there.-
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To anyone wondering wtf I'm doing since I called NS scum: I want to establish a network of within my group using key words. Aside from my in game analysis I want to relay private information within my priest group. But NS is the total buffer. So I will ask in thread if the person in thread a few key words that will be important. If they do not relay the correct key words then I know NS is scum obv course. There's no guarentee for this to work, but it'll give me a chance if NS is town to give words during night and such like a super neighbourhood.-
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I've given a piece of information to someone special via NS via QT. Before the lynch hits I would like for him to claim my special word and the target I sent to them as a change to the message I sent in QT assuming NS is scumbag. I've taken to account NS-scum, thus I reveal in thread now that I've claimed to NS and claimed my role to the specific person.-
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Oh you don't need to say the special word anymore, I just missed that (going off some information I gathered earlier). However Jack's concerns discussed via NS via QT should be revealed tonight. Should I die I would like NS to quote the main components of my QT to everyone under him and post it in thread. It'll be revealed what my uber awesome plan is :3 :3 :3-
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1. Everyone should take my lead and do inter player talking via their Gods to first determine scum gods, and secondly to pass information along. However Andrus was the original proprietor, and I support this endeavor. It doesn't have to be role info, just thoughts, and such. I find that mason linkage to be more town motivated then scum motivated.
2. I also think Jack is town due to QT talk. I'll claim Day 2 or NS will claim for me day 2. The jist of the argument is: Jack corrected me logically that NS is unconfirmed and can modify information as he sees fit if I pass it along the NS wire. NS passed this onto me. NS actually passed this on to me. New info FTW. :p
3. You knowI don't understand the Tajo wagon. DGB's question is theory craft, not scum hunting. Anyone can argue for that question. It reminds me of Pom's theory crafting questions as scum. All fluff. Lots of debate. No actual discussion. I think the entire thing is super weak (as of page 20).-
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Also my earlier stuffs:
1. I've been mulling over the whole Jack/Theman debate, the everyone is town in this debacule is kind of throwing me off. I find myself agreeing with this assessment right here because I could see scum-Jack caving in to the whole "yes I gambited lulz" defences. But he didn't, and is sticking to the guns. I wouldn't mind a vig resolution in this angle, but there needs to be more info outside the Jack vs NS/Theman debate. It's stalling out.
Plus in Feysal's analysisthere's very little wagonining analysis going onon Jacks end or anyone for that matter for the gambit to be sucessful. I'm a bit saddened at the fact that the Pro-Jack/Jack people aren't doing this. Gut sez: theory noise is being produced and we might have a scum buddying wtih Jack (assuming Jack-town).
2. tajo has very weak answers to the accusations. I wouldn't mind a shot that direction.
3. I canconfirm that the QT website autosigns your name from your last login if you choose that option. If I'm not at home I do have to type my name. But I made a QT account so it autosigns me as DTMaster. It makes even more sense, contrary to page 10 if Anonscum was auto signed at home and he typed "tajo" at work (not the other way around unless he has a computer to use at work and lots of down time). Any of these attacks are quite arbutrary.
4. Huh, this post while awesome in town reads also has a noisy question by Mina. We know that the distrubution of the evil priests are randomly set (therefore we could have anywhere from all of the scum being in one priest hood to all seperated out). LLD did the maths for a specific set, but if its all RNG that means wecan't establish a patternbased on scum flips and what group they are in.
Likewise, we know that scum is in 1 faction (I think, the whole one god and evil priest flavour suggests so) and guestimate that out of 15 players we are probably dealing with 3-4 evil priests as gods are unlynchable. We must account though that while the gods have voting power, we need to take out the priest to endgame the scum faction.
In terms of vote control that means scum always has +1, and town always has +2 for votes. In terms of factional wins, in order to balance this (because technically town always has the majority vote or equal to scum) the number priests is the threshold number rather then the number of votes (otherwise scum couldn't win by vote threshold if 1 member gets lynched).-
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1. Theman Can you be more specific outside of gut?
2. To clarify something: I find Tajo's initial response to be weak in regards to the name thing. However! He's improved a lot since that initial read due to hismotive hunting. I find that to be quite indicative of town. Here and here are clear arguments, DGB scum motives, questioning of DGB town motives of methods, and his own reasoning.
Also this idea here is WRONG because TOWN PLAYERS ALSO HAS A SENSE OF SURVIVAL. Particularity, PRs display more defensiveness due to the fact that they internally DON'T WANT TO BE LYNCHED or NKED. Town PRs, while have the number advantage if they do die, also COULD BE RELUCTANT TO DIE. Hence if DGB-scum is there, she can see WHO THE PRS ARE WITHIN HER PRIESTHOOD. So that issue about people wanting to live, yeah it applies to TOWN AS WELL. Town's are more likely to be RISKIER, but THEY STILL WANT TO LYNCH THEIR SCUM TARGET and NOT BE LYNCHED. /caps defence
Though, due to the debate, I'm getting the town on town vibe. However, arguing with DGB doesn't SOLVE A THING. Tajo should be more focused on priests, not gods.
3. I read Andrus' post. I don't mind since it's good, but his over pro-DGB stance is suuuuppppppppeeer sketchy. I'd at least keep some suspicion on DGB. You know. The whole "I know DGB is town thing" reads as "I know DGB is town is because I know who the scumz are". I'd still consider shooting you and suffer through DGB RAGE INDUCED VENGEANCE just to quell this paranoia.
In all of this if Tajo flips town (which I feel like it) I would re-examine my reads. Especially I would re-examine Feysal since I'm getting some weird scum vibes that direction. I'll do an Iso reread to make sure. (I'd also consider the KittyKat DRK)
4. DGB it's possible, quite possible that due to the back and forth that DGB/Tajo became a tunnel fest of frustration. If we're talking about scum strategics, I'm pretty sure that Tajo-scum has better things to do other then rage an all out God war when he knows he can't even lynch the DGB. :s.
5. Fishy is sitting on the fence about tajo here This is awful analysis of Tajo that both supports him and supports the lynch.
See bold. Tajo is not the droid we are looking for. I suggest a trio of Feysal and DRK. Other good slots are Crymeariver.Fishy wrote:On the tajo-me link; again,I can see where DGB is coming from, but I disagree with the sense of the conclusion. I suppose this is one to argue if and when tajo flips scum.
Break time. Fishy's post discredits this wagon by a ton. I'd argue that the hyper-aggressiveness is blinding the town.
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Aside: Benmage's questioning on Andrus is a little off, due to the DGB town read. I don't know, it's not really logical if you contrasted these posts:
Andrius :I've already offered to claim to my Goddess.
Benmage: Why?
Benmage: I think DGb is town.
Benmage: But do you have any idea if you'd be claiming to the scum god or not?
The issue is resolved with a town read. The flow from questioning Andruis and declaring DGB makes be regard the first catch up post to be fluffy. It's not something you can draw alignment from if you already have a read on DGB (the reason was given).
The whole exchange was funny.
Also Feysal's comments about his vote after Tajo pointing it out is suuuuupppperrr bad on Feysal. Plus when Feysel does vote it's on a "meh read". The whole "Benmage is also not voting" reads as deflection. He also fails to comment on LLD/Fishy as he calls it "no big deal". I'd be miffed, but more ok with "no reads". I'd rather have "I think this". There's a bunch of information for the sake of information here, and nothing insightful. I'd be leaning scum since this contributes to the whole: "posting for the sake of posting argument".
I also note that Feysal did quote Tajo's argument with his post, and stated that his vote and Benmage's weren't being used. Did Tajo force a Feysal to vote? I think so.
Unvote, Vote Feysal
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I'm still bothered by the Tajo case. You know, considering that he's attacking people who's scummy (and he attacked DRK for buddying him rather then go for the lurker case) I don't support this wagon. I mean, he's doingeverything right by scum hunting while defending. People need to stop reading the DGB issue and start reading his other cases.-
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Immediate responses
1. Spy/Hito is the hope diamond the Crymearivier slot? My view on that slot is: I just can't get a read on that darn slot since there hasn't been a substantial post. I just want to kill it with fire due to paranoia. If it is that slot, I'm not sure how you guys can call a scum read off nothing. It's more like: there's no read this is suuuper sketchy. I prefer having more defined reads.
2. Benmage. So it's illogical for someone to trust a town read on the fact that you could be wrong? That applies to every read though. Oddly enough during this post you missed Andruis' whole masonry speech. Were you supporting that Andruis could be buddying DGB (pre-town read)?
3. Benmage, your statement about "skill level" and scumminess makes no sense. There's no co-relation with skill level and alignment, only with our persecution of that player. If someone is a bad player, that doesn't make them scum. This argument is super weak and lacks the normal critical thought that I've come to know the Benmage from before.
Bad players often look scummy. They aren't always scum.
4. Corvuis, I don't mind the theory. I expect though once you read through everyone you apply it (spec DRK since that's your focus). Prepare your meta references for comparisons though.
Also the keywords will be obvious post-Death me or when I choose to claim it.
Also I assume that you didn't read most of my posts considering that Tajo defense and Feysal attacks are the core to my posts. I dislike how you narrowed down on my Fishy Fish comments specifically in the midst of my capslock induced rage, only if you did read my other posts.
5. DRK I'm a bit sad that all you took out of my reads was a town-read on me. I didn't get any comments from youuuuu agreeing/disagreeing/etc.
6. You know that feeling when you get when your read might be wrong. I read Feysal's response to Mina. A few things stood up
a. Feysal commented that he wanted to keep a vote on record. This to me is quite pro-town for VC analysis.
b. The talk about "retrospective view on his actions" is the weird thing. You know I could totally see the view where scum is admitting to his faults, or a player trying to improve his over all game play.
c. The meta reference is a critical approach to look at Jack
d. But there's too many Null reads and lots of DGB and Andruis ego stroking which is wishy washy after the nth time reading it.
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1. Corvious: I have an issue with the fishy response because you failed to comment on anything else. Like I said since you've just replaced in I'd suspect you read my 2 posts at the top of the page from where you replaced in, rather then just read me and particularly focused on my one post. You've gave an impression that you skimmed my posts by making an opinion of me. Hence why I mentioned the above scenario, and directed you to comment on my full cases.
2. In terms of volume, you must account that I'm a replacement like yourself.
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I see that DGB's actions in the QTs confirmed by the priesthood supports a town-DGB read. Likewise the discussion in my QT support a NS town read. The only, only reason why I would give a ~10% chance that fishy could be town and my DGB read is wrong is that Fishy by his role to shorten the deadline hasn't been used. So since my pre-game notes, the possibly of DGB-scum diminished due to other actions and I've assigned her a pro-town stamp. Role merits alone, she can end the game prematurely by granting scum double voting, Action wise, I'd be willing to call her town.
I have no reason to question people for their town reads unless I disagree with it.I am more interested in finding scum reads and advancing my cases. If I had to question everyone who called me town I would question the entire town list because they started off with a Zang-scum/lurker read and switched off after my posts. I applaud the critical nature of questioning unreasoned reads butIf you think that DGB is scummy because she didn't give strong reasons you advance the case.
If you read everything from start to finish you'd see that the initial analysis points to dangerous DGB, not a town/scum DGB call. I later developed a town DGB call.
If I were scum and I had fishy's powers (you are immortal, you safe from all kills and lynches,) I would claim scum and shorten the deadline. Then I would cause chaos by contributing to wagons, I would make people paranoid by hammering my scum buddies if necessary and I would be Socratic. I would play the town with my votes, and making my votes unreadable on which wagons are scum or town, and making people be paranoid about my hammers.
And in all of that since deadlines get shorten to 48 hours after day 1, if I cause no lynch scenarios then I've given my faction free NKs since town failed to lynch in 48 hours. You know that kind of thing. As an immortal scum role, I'd play aggressive. The only scum-god role that would play cautious is DGB and NS' role has no advantages since has scum if he controls the hammer he already has it without freezing the votes.
I'm only stating my opinion in the Fishy-scum scenario. :p Fishy-scum should shorten it if he is scum. It's like total win for scum if he did that. Hell, day 1 could have been over now with Fishy-fish and, and! we'd be floundering around. Since the god who I suspect is scum is not doing the most optimal, easiest, scum ployI question my read on Fishy-fish.
4. I find it odd that DRK is not your focus since you're doing heavy "meta" and "motivation/inflection" analysis in the game. You found a contradiction in DRK's posting and started to develop this into a read (which you argued something a kin to he's being coached). That's odd. Who is your primary scum hunting target, and why? Your biggest "case" is on the guy "who you're not focused on", and "that you defended a great deal about your methods" on.
5. As well, is there more to what you dislike about me in regards to "not addressing DGB"? You imply there is more, but don't mention it outside of your over all town read due to my gambits. I note though that you mentioned multiple gambits, but I've only done 1 which is a day kill.
The other was a soft claim of information to the person who I PMed via NS. I'd hardly call that a gambit. It's ensuring that my hidden suspicions are revealed post-death.-
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Equinox: I see the view point. Hence why I want to mull it over. The weakest points about the vote is that Feysal addressed Tajo about it and voted commenting about Benmage and his lack of vote being bad. It's probably the lack of sleep but I'm going to mull over the points again and do some serious rereading.-
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If you're wondering DGB, I'm night killable so I'm not claiming the BP. I just don't want you to use it on me. It's just a waste of an action for you to protect me. "hint hint hint hint"
If I die tonight, then it's to my advantage that I die tonight. If I don't die tonight, then it's still advantageous to me to continue this game.
If a lynch wagon goes through then I left behind my reads in the QT so NS can follow up. I've left instructions to everyone in my priesthood should I die and should I flip town (If I flip scum, then I just lulzed around in the QT). Thus everyone in the priesthood has my personal reads via NS. They have instructions to claim pre-hammer, and/or post my-death. NS has the masterlist obv course.-
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1. I can only say DRK is town due to QT talks. If you want the full reasoning it'll involve a number of networking reveals that I'm not comfortable with at the moment. If DRK gets to L-1 I'll full claim to clear his name because I think the droids aren't here. I am that confident about it.
2. If Benmage is mysteriously dies tonight, I wouldn't mind it :3
3. Corvus I'm a bit confused. You're voting me because you want me to fulfill my gambit over having a scum read? You do realize that you're not scum hunting if that's the only reason for you to take a stance.
Likewise my analysis of DGB and Fishy early on was based on what scum would do with their roles. I outlined what I would do as Fishy-scum, and explained how Fishy isn't playing to that. LLD countered it, but I find the chaos resulting from the short deadlines to be more valuable then hiding in the shadows. If your only qualms is my god reads you do realize that my focus is on finding priest scums. And your lack of comments on that and specific cherry picking about my god cases make me question your motive. Are you in this to lynch scum? Or are you just contributing thin air via the god talk.
Also I've released information via the QT so that I can personally assess the players in my priesthoods. Out of all of them Jack and DRK demonstrated townie actions in response to my QT talks. LLD is normal, and is demonstrating her usual OoT Mafia meta (so I will arbitrary assign townie). The last one is Benmage who, despite posting in thread has not answered my questions via NS. NS has been unresponsive, but it's been a day so I'll wait.
I am willing to claim full disclosure should either Jack or DRK reach L-1 to defend these town reads. I also note though that you changed from your confused, but townie but maybe scum read to a scum read only after DGB voted me. You did not introduce new information to the case, as no case has been brought up as of yet, but you now resolve that I am scum for what reasons again?
For someone who's working on taking defined stances words like "or", town or scum, that tajo can catch DGB scum but I do not weigh in on what I think about DGB or tajo, oh wait DGB is "kind of like scum",
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DGB if you give me BP I cannot use my death as a data point. Don't interfere by giving me BP. I want scum to try and kill me. Hence why everyone in the priest hood has specific reads and instructions should I die. Also NS has not passed on my messages to LLD at the moment. LLD the other player I talked to you about is my scum read. Also the words that 3 people claimed are meta references to my games played. I gave some people a scum read and I gave them a game I played with that player
the clusterfuck is me hunting scum. DRK should be alive FYI.-
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You know what this is getting out of hand. I'd rather sink my gambit then spiral this out of contol.
I am a Town Hider
What I did was tell LLD that I will be targetting Benmage tonight and the game we did together (expressed by LLD) is Disgaea 2 Mafia. Benmage was a major leader in that game, and used RBT his mason vig buddy to shoot scumz and scummy players. He lead the town to almost victory before dying. Benmage hasn't shown any of his leadership in this game so I had him under suspect.
I told Jack that I will be targetting DRK tonight because I initally had a scum read on him. The game that both DRK and I played in was Kingdom Hearts. The DRK case is obvious.
I also told Benmage that I would be targetting the Crymeariverslot and the game that we played in was Internal (Not internet) Struggle. This is due to the high volume of replacements and I wanted to confirm my neutral read.
I edited this last one out because I didn't think it would be useful BUT NS broke my plan and sent it anyways by not reading the QT and sent the e-mail that had the original message. I told DRK that I wasthe town Doctorand that I would protectHito. Rather then have DRK who was my scum target at the time know that I was a hider, I wanted to see how he would respond to this since I expected the following things:
If any of LLD/Benmage/Jack were scum I would see Benmage/Crymeariviver/DRK dead the next day.
If DRK was scum I would expect DRK to shoot me and try to kill me knowing that I claimed doctor to him.
The message was that someone in the town was bulletproof but only DRK knew that Hito who would be next in line to be shot would be dead. If I fake claimed doctor I would stop a shot on Hito and ensure a shot on me stopping the kill.
Finally my analysis turned up that Jack and DRK are town. DRK called my claim stupid. Had DRK been scum he would have been silent. I quote: DRK hoped that I wasn't the doctor and was lying since I was putting attention on him. Rather then exploit a doctor claim DRK did the opposite and distrusted that my claim was true. Jack claimed the same thing saying that my claims could be modified due to NS.
A last point isCORVUIS. I believe that there are 2 scum members within my priest faction because of the incessent mention of gambits. I was waiting to see if someone would slip because has he said scum had day-talk. I fed information to everyone in my priesthood with a claim. I said that they were the only ones who recieved this claim. But out of the town list, Corvuis has an itch about my gambits. Only NS knows that I lied to DRK and that I will only fulfill 1/3 of my hiding targets. If 2 members within my faction or NS leaked this information to the scum faction I would expect that someone would slip about gambits. Therefore I believe that Corvius could be scum because I claimed 4 different actions and 2 different roles within my QT.
Thus I believe I have 2 scum priests in my faction. This goes with my DGB and Fishy fishy analysis. Since NS passed on information back and forth between the priests and recieved these comments this is why the reads that I have are that way.
From IRC mafia hide supercedes all actions and protects/BP granting powers would do nothing to me. If I died and any of the above players did not die then I guarenteed that I caught scum by narrowing down from 3-4/15 to 1/3. Also if I lived and there was no shot last night I cleared all LLD/Benmage/Jack/NS and caught DRK scumz. 4 confirmed in one night. Sweeet, but nooo DRK had to be town and put a wrench in things. Then DGB distracts the town. Then everyone focuses on my town read.
Feysal, Benmage, Corvuis are my biggest reads. I addressed Feysal. I just explained Benmage. Corvuis I added to the case that is him, and why I feel that there is an information leak.-
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1. Corvuis: I killed my gambit because the noise potential is huge. Scum would latch on to this and we'd be stalling today. I'd rather have a productive Day 1 then have it end up with a back and forth of:
Person 1: I don't understand DTM. Explainz now.
DTM: No, it's QT talk.
Person 1: K I'll vote DRK.
DTM: No I think he's town from QT.
Person 1: But I think he's scum.
Repeat.
2. Corvuis: If you are saying that NS is trying to frame me by being unhelpful in thread that contradicts your scum read on me and NS. You cannot link both NS and me as scum using that logic. While I agree the NS assessment is fair since he's all quiet in the QT.
Likewise if you disliked that I posted my action outlinebecause scum would take advantage of itthat contradicts your scum read as well. How can I, who you think be scum, give scum an advantege by posting an action outline. If I town, was posting my targets, then I would be feeding scum information. But wait, remember what you said earlier, scum has day talk. Why would I scum, post actions in thread that would be advantageous to scum, when I can post stuff in this day QT.
Oh right, because in order for me to be taken advantage of I have to be on the opposite faction as scum. I can't be scum. This logic is full of holes, its funny.
3.CORVUIS STOP IGNORING MY POSTS. I've listed a bunch of questions on you that you ignored
4. Corvuis. Considering that I refused the BP protection publicly throws a wrench in Equinox's request. Likewise if it's a buddying attempt, I'm keeping an eye of those. I'm not in the same priesthood as Equinox so I don't know what Equiniox is doing. If you're implying that both Equinox and I have communication, then why are you fishing for that?
Are you saying we're scum? Or masons? Or neighbours?
I'm unaware that we are either roles and I'm definately not scum.
4. Nopoint. Yes. Hence it's a town argument against the scum case. I highly doubt that DRK-scum would go: "wtf why did the doc claim to me", there's little motivational sense for him to do that. If you noticedI started with a scum read on DRK by claiming doctor, contrary to Benmage/LLD/Jack who I gave scum reads to them. But Ichanged it because small tells are quite revealing.-
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I find that Feysal is more in control of the situation as town though here's a good town meta http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... start=1425
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NS if you're done being pissed off, and since the only update is you think I'm scum then like I said in the QT has I flood your e-mail please answer my question: Do you have critiques to my cases/arguments?
Considering that you never once brought it up when I asked you to passed the messages and just passed the messages for me puts your stance to be poor. I take responsibility for what happened, but if you were always of thought that it was a failure then you should have attacked me during the claiming I did in QT. Jack and DRK both did. LL even said that she didn't trust me via you.
But you were the only one who expressed the popular idea only in the aftermath. So yeah, I gave my reasonings to why I chose the 3 reads: DRK, Benmage, nopointinacting up (Hito counts as 4 but as a town read rather then a scum/neutral read). I look forward to your case good sir.
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You are confusing this role
With CowardsHider wrote:The Hider has the ability to target one player each night. If that player is pro-town, the hider is protected from Night-Kills that night. If the player targeted is killed that same night, the Hider dies too. If the player targeted is Mafia, the hider usually dies.
Where the coward usually is a self target commute.Coward/Commuter wrote:Commuter
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Commuter
Alias: Coward
Alignment: Pro-town
Role type: Protective
Choice: Night
The Commuter is a town aligned role which can commute and leave the town for the night. Therefore, the player with this role is immune to night kills any night which they have commuted.
This power is usually limited with a restriction of not being able to commute on consecutive nights.
Some moderators also apply this night choice immunity to other night actions such as investigation and role blocking.
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Also Archived Meta
http://www.mafiascum.net/archive/viewtopic.php?t=11720
This was a NORMAL game.DraketheFake wrote:Lowell, Townie Hider, crumpeted in the town square Day 1.
ThAdmiral (replacing Far_Cry), Townie Doctor, stabbed Night 1.
Hero764, Townie Lover, torn to shreds Night 1.
Mokina, Townie Lover, killed herself in grief dawn of Day 2.
qwints, Serial Killer, pilloried to the amusement of no one Day 2.
Nikanor (replacing Wiirdo), Townie, torn to shreds Night 2.
dank (replacing Raivann), Townie, smothered politely with a feather pillow Day 3.-
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FYI Andruis also equates laziness = scum implictly. "making someone do something due to laziness" is not a town argument because you're not activly commenting on a case.
Aside from the rereading statements the belief the Jack is BP is more of a scum suspicion rather then a town suspicion. Town are more likely to critisize a BP claim because they feel like the BP person just failed to fulfill their role (i.e. attract them kills). While Andruis believes in the BP which is more of a scum mindset (i.e. I want my kills to work god damn it)..
There's pretty bad implicit things in that post, while I edit post my other stuff.-
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@Farside
The meta read contridicts Feysal's self MO. Considering that he activly tried to break the setup and in your game you link Feysal was generating strong reads with arguments, this breaks his demonstrated MO of what he does as town. It conflicts with his statement that he sits back and comments on other cases as a player, since there are 2 cases where he did more then "agree/disagree" on cases.
Iso post 9 in the linked game illustrates a plan to confirm people based on the ability to pick up weapons.
Iso 11 critiques another player's methods (much like someone would take the vantage point and crituqe a player's case).
@Benmage
I want you dead. If I die then I still want you dead :p.
@Corvuis
1. I sunk the gambit on my own initative because I thought it is too counter productive during the day. Do go on my wiki and understand that I initiate my arguments/actions as any factions. (Most recent one is OoT Mafia for scum and a good one for my cop powers is It's always Sunny in Philelphia Mafia run my Reck in minithemes where I outed 2/3 scums I'll get the links) The noise level would be too great and distracting, and scum would have worked that to their advantage.
So the easiest way, by many people's standards of course, was my claim. Then explaination. Then sunk the whole gambit. If you think I mishandled that gambit, fine I did. But there's literally no motivation to premtively steal the spotlight away from DRK and let me defend him. If you read my mafia meta, I don't care if my partner is getting lynched. I throw them under the bus then run them over and over and over. (OoT I literally won by lynching my mafia partner, but then again the situation is different).
There is no gain for me to defend DRK like this, unless I think he's a town read. Literally, WIFOM or not just skim over my games :p.
Considering thatI posted how my role worked you'll understand that my death means that I confirmed scum. Read how the hider role works. Read that if I die and my target lives guess who is scum? Oh right THE TARGET THAT CAUSED ME TO DIE. There will be an unexplained death of a Hider and I claimed my targets via QT. Since I didn't trust NS, I claimed 3 possible targets and tried to get DRK to shoot me if he was scum.
Oh yeah, what are hiders immune to again? Kills. Am I BP? No. Can I die? Yeah if my target also dies and is town, I die. Can I be RBed? Well Natural Order Resolution stops that so no. Is this role super IMBA? Hell yeah. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... Resolution
An action that supercedes blocking, busing and is a guarentee sane cop investigation? (Barring GFs and such). You bet your ass that that if I die, then there's a ton of information because I can't die normally. Do you understand now?-
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@Corvuis
1. I'm asking you to make defined reads. You're being wishy-washy in that you're attacking me, but you agree that there is both town and scum arguments there. What is your defined, on the dot read of me.
2. In regards to NS, even if he is scum (oh mai), that doesn't change the fact on who I want to hide behind. My life isn't important. Like I said, it's how hiders die is important. Since NAR is on my side, my death will tell you guys who's scum. Since it's unmodifiable via NAR, that means blocking/bussing/redirecting is a non issue. That means scum is hooped. I will target someone tonight. I can 85% clear them if they are town (GFs and such might wreck it) and 100% catch scum if I die.
I'll be maintaining my course of action tonight kthnksbye.
@Jack/Equinox
Your assessment is making me question this case now. I'm starting to think that this wagon should swing towards Benmage if both DRK and Feysal aren't ringing well in yee guts. Benmage case begins nao.-
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