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You dont know what it does then,hohum wrote:
I think that's what happened. I got a PM describing what's in the decanter.populartajo wrote:
Mmmm. Did you steal Xtoxm item?hohum wrote:I guess being a thief paid off.
I guess being a best boy didnt pay off.
It's a mysterious red liquid. I can either drink it or give it to someone else to drink.
Xtoxm can you confirm this?Call me Tajo.
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These are my thoughts.
There are two possibilities in the drink:
Its bad. Therefore we should give it to someone we think is scum or not use it all.
Its good. Therefore we should give it to someone we think is town.
So, lets analyse things.
I dont think its effect would be tremendous antitown or tremendous protown since it would likely prevent us from guessing if we should use future items.
Im slightly leaning to use it since KOC proabbly started this item speculation game with a item that its not detrimental to the town. That way we can feel a little more confident in using future items.
Also, Xtoxm is prob town. Agree also that Naomi feels newb scum.
Unvote Vote : Naomi.Call me Tajo.
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I think its a reasonable argument but we should see this as gambling.Lamont_Cranston wrote:@Tajo:What do you think of post #318?
For reference, my first idea was to let the item go without using it on anyone. We avoid the randomness of the item and then concentrate on scumhunting ftw.
But then the point that prob items were considered in the balance of the game was made.
And then I started thinking. If KOC wanted us to use items (since its obvious that items are going to be a big part of this game) he would start the game with a)an item that would not be so detrimental to the town or b)an item advantageous to the town.
If we are going to use an item, then I also think that the best time to use it is today since the probs of screwing improve as the game progresses.Call me Tajo.
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Blerg, I see this as a weak debate to start the game.
Listen people, there are people that regardless allignment, they will always choose to take risks.
And there are always people that regardless allignment, they will always choose to be conservative about risks.
I could bet that at this point there are both scum and town in the "omg, dont drink it" group and both town and scum in the "yey drink it" group
Also, where did the mod say that this game would be unfair to the town?Call me Tajo.
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oh pal you have much to learn.Lamont_Cranston wrote:
I don't vig n0.Alabaska J wrote:
the one you obviously haven't takenAmished wrote:Which "noobie quiz" are you referring to, AJ?
vigging night 0 is a good ideaCall me Tajo.
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Someone more involved in the game can make me a summary of all that its going on? I dont feel like reading another 30 pages game.
Im really going to appreciate it.
If I have to do it, then expect comments from me on the weekend.Call me Tajo.
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Im here, sorry Im neglecting this game. I did a quick skim but bad news is that I have to go out now. Ill reread tomorrow.
For now, I agree with Xtoxm and some others: Lammont is not the lynch of the day. My gut tells me that he is active townie.
Im still happy with my vote. I will post tomorrow my other suspects.
Even better, mod, deadline extension, please (amount of replacements and such)Call me Tajo.
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Still catching up but my first reasoning regarding Naomi is that :
a)she is what she claims and even I have no idea of the flavor, some comments in thread tell me that Trillby is a big "protown" role. Correct me if Im wrong.
b)she is scum or third party that wants to out the real Trillby for whatever reasons (kill an important tole or win conditions or such).
Still pondering which is more likely and more importantly, still pondering if we finally decide his lynch, if today its the optymal day.Call me Tajo.
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Err, IIRC, she claimed one shot cop. What do you mean with his duty?Nyx wrote:
I don't mind being protected for lets say it blows up in my face without killing anyone. I don't like you being so against me being protected.Lamont_Cranston wrote:
Whoah, whoah whoah!Amished wrote:...and I can protect Nyx? who has the shotgun + shell.
Once the shotgun is fired it falls apart and there is no more shell.
So nobody will have either going into N2.
Naomi seriously ? A cop not doing his duty ? There is no explanation possible for this blasphemy.
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I'm trying to keep up with this game, and failing miserably. (Blame Death Note mafia)
I propose something. We have already some decent suspects. What about if we concentrate discussion in these suspects and finally decide a vote and start railing discussion/reactions and such. Really, there are big odds of finding scum in the people not voting at this stage of the game.
Naomi_Saotome: 3 (Lamont_Cranston, Pyromaniac, zwetschenwasser)
Setael: 2 (Amished, Pablo Molinero)
Lamont_Cranston: 2 (Naomi_Saotome, Rockatansky)
Ill comment on these three when I have more time. Prob tomorrow. Just thought I would let you know my proposition.Call me Tajo.
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I need catching up. As far as I can see you all missed my proposition.
What is the case on Sironi? I remember seeing some protown behavior from him in a skim I made. But if I missed something, please point me to it.Call me Tajo.
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I thought it was obvious that my vote was a vig vote.
Depending of the results of the vig I will decide in my lynch vote.
I have no idea why some are voting for vig and for lynch at the same time.Call me Tajo.
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First of all in which ongoing game I am dead scum?Xtoxm wrote:Pop
He is usually a highly active player.
My main memory of him is making posts to the effect of "I'll contribute later". Check his isolation posts 13 to 21.
Other than his contribution to the Naomi wagon, i'm not seeing much to make me think he's town.
I've noticed he's been scum a lot recently. LAL Mafia, and an ongoing where he's dead. I thought there was another game where I saw him as scum, though a quick search revealed nothing. Meh.
Despite the lurking and future contribution promise posts, I have seen him sign for a lot of new games recently. For example:
This
This...
This one too
Here's another
And another
Hypothesis: Pop is sick of being scum, and is scum here, hence the behavior.
Unvig, Vig Pop
Your hypothesis is wrong because your premises are wrong. How can I be sick of being scum when the only game Ive been scum recently is LAL mafia and even there I was pretty active?
Bleh, I just dont find the motivation to be in this game. To be quite honest, its really boring and its one of my least favorites right now. Its probably the amount of people I dont know.
Lets see if Elmo can bring me back. OMG HAI Elmo.Call me Tajo.
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I think the amount of lurkers and replacements are going to prove you wrong...Lamont_Cranston wrote:
OOOO, thispopulartajo wrote: Bleh, I just dont find the motivation to be in this game. To be quite honest, its really boring and its one of my least favorites right now. Its probably the amount of people I dont know....pisses me off
The Mod has worked hard on this game and its one of the most exciting I've seenand its only just getting started.
Would you care to re-phrase that because I think you are scum pretending to be bored here...
....but I like you, Lammont and you are right. If this game looks boring its not the Mod's fault. Its probably mine and from others.
Relax, I will participate more as the game progresses.Call me Tajo.
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And that makes me scum how?Xtoxm wrote:That you've been signing for other games.
If Im bored with some games I think the natural reaction is to look for another sources of fun, isnt it?Call me Tajo.
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you know, you think a lot of people are prob town, Xtoxm.Xtoxm wrote:I've never thought of Pyro as a lurker.
He's probably town.
Besides me, and I doubt your case has still merit, who do you think is scum?Call me Tajo.
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And if somebody bothers about the reason then Ill tell you that I dont have the time to reread properly a 60 page game. Its funny how Xtoxm concentrates on me when there are a lot of people not even posting. At least, Ive expressed my thoughts on some things.
Ive said why I was acting like that (see previous posts for lack of motivation and what not). Xtoxm just decided to not give a fuck about it and when I asked who he thought he was scum besides me he gathered a bunch of posts that are null tells and decided that I was scum for not being interested in the game. WTF?
He is way better than that.Call me Tajo.
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For the record I had a terrible day when I asked replacement. I acted like an ass and I felt bad. I reevaluated things and PMed KOC about me wanting to get back into the game. He, and I respect his decision, decided that I wouldnt go back into the game.
KOC, I respect your decision and once again I apologize to you and all the people in this game for a bad decision I made in a bad moment. You are in all your right, (you are the mod), to decide my fate here. I admit I was being a little idiot especially in this game. You've put enough effort in this game and this is more important than me crying about me not feeling motivated about it.
Hope you dont delete this, KOC. As I said to you, I dont like to have problems with anyone and Im not a bad person in RL.
Sorry about this and good luck.
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Odds are we have one scum here so Ill comment in each of them first before rereading the whole game.
Setael-7 (Lamont, Pyro, Amished, Sironi, Devastation, Zwet, Dramonic)
Devastation-4 (Stepho, Rock, Elmo, Naomi)
Zwet-3 (Nyx, Pablo, Xtoxm)
Lamont-1 (Setael)
Pablo-1 (Tajo)
Setael is replacing Mallkon who never posted in thread. Setael was replaced in page 32. Lets analyse his first post (iso 1):
I like that his first conclusion is that Lamont is prob town.Setael wrote:Finished the thread. I think Lamont is town.
His posterior case against dev is pretty good. Some debatable things that could get into the null category but still i feel a protown motivation.Setael wrote:Devestation is my #1 scum candidate, with Stephoscope #2. Pretty sure they're scum buddies.
His steph case is less impressive...Setael wrote:Seems to me that Devestation never thought lamont was scum. He knows he's town and therefore knows he's telling the truth about the shell. My guess is he unvoted to get off a townie wagon in order to avoid future suspicion.
...but still the dev-steph link he provides shows scumhunting efforts and doesnt feel forced.Setael wrote:As for Stephoscope, he's playing with the kind of self-awareness usually seen only in scum. He's very careful of what he says
iso 3Setael wrote:Really suspicious that Steph never confronted devestation, considering her reaction to lamont's statement about not wanting to drink it.
The context is the deadline hitting and Steph receiving a bunch of votes to avoid no lynch.Setael wrote:Though I still think Devestation is scum, it appears he will have to wait for another day.
unvote, vote: Stephoscope
iso 4
Valid observation. Feels very indecisive about Naomi claim that is somehow acceptable (his indecisve attitude not the claim).Setael wrote:So then Naomi says to Amished "So you're saying you expected a cop like role as well?" and then POOF! magically she has a cop like role as well and says she's Bulletproof/1-shot cop.
iso 5 is a big analysis of Naomi's claim, some questions about his newbness. Overall a protown post since scum usually push the "claim sucks" card instead of thinking newbie mistake.
There is a trilby clone?Setael wrote:Amished, do you have any other info/insights about the trilby clone? Any chance naomi is that clone?
Townie post.Setael wrote:As bad as Naomi's claim was, there is a chance it was due to her being a newbie rather than being scum. I am still undecided about her. She certainly needs to be posting more.
Mmm, why the change?Setael wrote:I think Devestation and naomi are both scum. Happy to see either of them die today.
Please explain how does this prove scum dont have a roleblocker. I dont get it.Setael wrote:Everyone please go to p. 47 and read Post 1174, especially the last paragraph where he explains why the scum "don't have a roleblocker".Amished wrote:I do want to point out that since hohum's life was extended for a day (and I lived), they don't have a roleblocker (either faction/player in the case of an SK). I will be safe and be able to prevent the reality shift when that happens as I'll use one of my protections on myself for sure until that time just help out the most.
I dont like this post. This was the original quote:Setael wrote:I do find his claim suspicious, but I certainly do not think he should be killed. I would not vote him or vote to vig him today, and I would be suspicious of anyone who did. I do, however, think his claim is overpowered if there is no scum roleblocker which HE SAID. Not me.
You seem to be very sure of the fact that scum dont have a roleblocker. What made you agree with Amished?Setael wrote:Also, has anyone ever heard of a dr. that protects themself as well as a multitude of other people? Especially without a scum roleblocker? How is that balanced?
This is a slightly frustrated townie post.Setael wrote:Any townies on my vig wagon please reread today's posts. You either haven't been reading carefully or you're misunderstanding something.
After this there is more defense, some soft omguses and an overall good response to the pressure. The roleblocking thing feels off but there are some gutty points that make me think that Set is prob more likely town than scum.
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Here is devastation.
iso 2 specially and some others have a slightly townie relaxed vibe.
posterior isos denote a short posting active lurking style.
iso 13 is his first more than one line post. His thought of the liquid leans more to the detrimental side than to the beneficial one.
his first fos of the game is for naomi. his first vote is in iso25. Again naomi. The reason is meh.Devestation wrote:You've missed the point, the point being that its scummy AND stupid to use something if you don't know what it does.
why?Devestation wrote:Anyone who uses or suggests the use of any items on anyone, regardless of their scumminess or method of selection, is making themselves look scummy in mye eyes.
more posterios posts tell me that dev is pretty conservative about the use of items. Like he knows the decanter will be harmful.
slightly townie here.Devestation wrote:why can't you people think with your heads instead of with your statistics...
Posterior reading tells me you didnt make your final decision like never.Devestation wrote:I don't see us making a lynch at this time without a major re-alignment, but I am pretty sure that either Stephoscope or Naomi are scum, and within 24 hours I will have made my decision as to which one to vote for.
dev loses all his conservadurism regarding items. Supports Lammont against Naomi.Devestation wrote:In case its another 3rd person to claim gets the gun thingy, Take Shotgun
I wouldn't take it if I wasn't sure what it did, but a shotgun is pretty damn obvious.
And I think Lamont has pretty well nailed Naomi to the floor. I won't vote until she posts to defend herself though.
I think you are lying. You had two choices (steph and naomi) at that time.Devestation wrote:The reason why I didnt lay a vote on either day 1 was because I was unable to re-read the game.
forced attack.Devestation wrote:Setael: Why say I should be vigged without placing a vig-vote thingy? It's not particularly suspicious to me, but why anyway?
hate this attack. it seems to say that because setael didnt have an official statement it means all his attacks are wrong. wtf?Devestation wrote:FoS: Setael
You dodged the question with a whole load of questions of your own. This will turn into a vote if you don't answer it next post.
I'm asking because I'm interested. I'm pointing back at it because I'm still interested and now slightly irritated that I've been outright ignored, and I find it illogical to say that "so and so should be vigged" but you don't leave an official statement as such.
more oneliners, lazy behavior, active lurking.
Conclusion : not impressed by dev's performance this game that resumes in vague oneliners. Not liking some of his forced attacks against setael. failed to vote yesterday even when he said he would choose between steph and naomi. I dont disagree witgh his vig/lynch.Call me Tajo.
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Now zwet.
Zwet replaced UROE in page 32. UROE failed to provide any content even though he read some pages of the game.
iso 1,2,3 are likely zwettown.
iso 4. sironigus suspicions.
zwet, you thought in me in LAL mafia when you made this case? what inconsistency and mistakes did he do in this game?zwetschenwasser wrote:My conclusion is largely meta-based. Siro has a pattern of nervous inconsistency and silly avoidable mistakes as scum. Also note that he sucked up to town with his fake votecount "assistance". He's trying too hard to make a good impression.
iso 11 is Naomi L-1. Me thinks zwetscum would be very paranoid to put someone at L-1. He unvotes after the trilby claim.
He votes Steph to avoid no lynch.
Thinks both claims are fake. Pushes hard for Naomi. I can buy his hate of the inconsistencies in Naomi claim.zwetschenwasser wrote:Did you read her first post of day two? It's the most damning thing ever written on the face of the earth.
His Siro hate is meh. Dont like it.zwetschenwasser wrote:YOU SAID HOHUM AGAIN!!!!Unvote; Vote: Sironigous
this is a very valid observation.zwetschenwasser wrote:
Interesting way to twist tajo's nulltell...Xtoxm wrote:That you've been signing for other games.
Some defense of Lammont and weak attack against Setael.
Conclusion: zwet so far has been normal zwet. I dont get that paranoid and stressed vibe I got when we were scum in LAL. Has some townie motivation in their posts but also some of his cases against his suspects are weak. Overall, a null zwet with a gutty townie read.Call me Tajo.
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Good thing I refreshed before leaving.zwetschenwasser wrote:I am about ready to lynch tajo after his read of me, for blatant lying in his conclusion.
He says that he has a gut town read on me because of my behavior in LAL mafia, when in fact my extreme "paranoid and stressed vibe" in that game was fabricated as a ploy to make tajo look town by bussing me, which was discussed and agreed upon in the quicktopic. Therefore, tajo is lying about me (especially since he has much more meta of me than just in LAL) for who knows what reason to make me look more town than I already am.Conclusion: zwet so far has been normal zwet. I dont get that paranoid and stressed vibe I got when we were scum in LAL. Has some townie motivation in their posts but also some of his cases against his suspects are weak. Overall, a null zwet with a gutty townie read.
Unvote; Vote: populartajo
I dont remember we planning in the quicktopic the idiotic stressed and paranoid play that rolf caught and started your wagon that includes you saying my name instead of saying elvis. You are lying or misunderstanding here.
ironically enough, this makes me even more sure of the townie gut read I have from him.Call me Tajo.
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When the hell did we plan that paranoid play? When the hell did I tell you to say my name on purpose?zwetschenwasser wrote:Heck yes we planned that paranoid play. I also said your name on purpose.
That was a pressured scum mistake, zwet. You can admit it now.
Do you want me to link the qt to see how wrong you are?Call me Tajo.
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Why would scum need to block and kill the same person?Lamont_Cranston wrote:Lamont_Cranston wrote:
This relates directly to the vig-kill. I need talk about this nao! (please? )Lamont_Cranston wrote:
This is very interesting. I would like to hear Amished's response to this and get some quick discussion on this...Setael wrote:If the scum have a RB why not just block the claimed doc and kill him?
Why not just kill it?Call me Tajo.
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Bleh, i forgot he could selfprotect.Lamont_Cranston wrote:He is self-protecting Doc. Does it makes sense that scum would RB and kill the self-protecting Doc?
anyways, i dont understand where you are going with this. what are you trying to prove here?Call me Tajo.
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/facepalmzwetschenwasser wrote:tajo, go ahead and show the qt, because my antics were intentionally meant to get me lynched, and you even proposed the idea of me being insanely scummy early on in the game.
http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/NQPvq7JWX4fi
We NEVER planned that you would be lynched D1. I never told you to be insanely scummy EARLY. You made a pressured scum stupid mistake, rolf caught you, got some support and in THAT moment we planned you being scummy to bring chaos. Not before.
My basic premise is that you are very easy to catch if you are scum. A relaxed zwet is a very likely zwetown.Call me Tajo.
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Hi Zazie.ZazieR wrote:Hi
(Sorry Tajo... This will likely be your third game in which you are stuck with me >.< I''ll try to behave during my read and analysis)
Its always nice to see you around and comment.
If you are town obv obv.
<3Call me Tajo.
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I just understood that if Amished is indeed a selfprotecting doc, the Mafia for balance reasons are likely to have a roleblocker.Lamont_Cranston wrote:Lamont_Cranston wrote:Lamont_Cranston wrote:Lamont_Cranston wrote:Her point was very clear in that she was saying there has to be no Mafia RB otherwise Amished would be dead today.
I just need verification that her point is valid that if the Mafi had a RB they could of RB'ed and killed Amished last night...
The deciding factor is that we dont know why scum killed who. If Amished is doc, I dont think its extremely obligatory for scum to kill him. So there is no a valid reason to suspect Amished because he is alive today.
I think that is what you were wondering?Call me Tajo.
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Yes, its a reasonable thing to do. But as I said, for whatever reasons that include principally wifom, scum dont have obligatorily to kill him.Lamont_Cranston wrote:
Please explain this.populartajo wrote: If Amished is doc, I dont think its extremely obligatory for scum to kill him.
My question goes only to game mechanics. Is it at least reasonable to assume that Mafia can both RB & kill Amished?
Basically, an attack against Amished because he is alive today is not valid.Call me Tajo.
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Oh, game mechanincs. I think ^ is the answer you are looking for.ZazieR wrote:
If scum have a roleblocker, it''s allowed to roleblock and kill the same player on one night, if that''s what you are asking.Lamont_Cranston wrote:
Please explain this.populartajo wrote: If Amished is doc, I dont think its extremely obligatory for scum to kill him.
My question goes only to game mechanics. Is it at least reasonable to assume that Mafia can both RB & kill Amished?Call me Tajo.
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This steph counterwagon is kinda unexpected and I dont know why but it feels off, forced. First, dev is a very nice wagon and second because its too late to suspect steph when all the information against him was always in the thread.
zazie, xtoxm and pyro. Did you really expect steph to be vigged before Dev?
Im keeping my dev vote, btw. I dont see any merit in derailing a nice wagon so near to deadline. His selfvote is null and Im leaning to not believe it since I dont see dev who is so conservative to selfvote as town.Call me Tajo.
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I want to extend deadline for tomorrow. One day less for our lynch deadline is not going to make the difference.
I know there has to be vital information in this wagon transference.
And I do really want to make that steph reread.
Vote : vig deadline extension.Call me Tajo.
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Sure. I wont have the time to properly read steph until this night.ZazieR wrote:
Well, if there will be one, can we extend it till sunday? I don''t know how long I can be online tomorrow >.<populartajo wrote:I want to extend deadline for tomorrow. One day less for our lynch deadline is not going to make the difference.
I know there has to be vital information in this wagon transference.
And I do really want to make that steph reread.
Vote : vig deadline extension.
Basically I want reasons for this wagon change and why it was done as soon as you brought the Steph subject to the table. Like I said it feels forced and my conspiracy sensors are tingling like crazy. Regardless of Steph alignment, it was pretty unexpected so there must be something there.Call me Tajo.
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Steph was Queen Elizabeth II who never posted in the thread.
Ive played some games with Steph before. He once tricked me very well when he was scum. In LAL he was town and I tricked him as well.
This is a slightly protown proposition.steph wrote:hohum, understanding that no one here knows what effect the mysterious liquid is going to have, would you be willing to conduct a vote and then force the drink onto whomever's voted for?
This last quote feels off. It seems to imply that Lammont posting a lot and wanting to control the game is a bad thing.steph wrote:I say give it to Lamont. He's been posting a lot and seems to want to control the game, so it'll be good to throw a wrench into things to try and determine if he's town or if he has scumbuddies.
I like this stance.steph wrote:For the record, I personally am not even going to guess if the drink is good or bad. Who knows? I am more interested in the overall goal of lynching intelligently.
iso 4-6 are a really interesting Lammont hate. This posterior explanation is weak. How the drink could have facilitated to know whether Lammont was town or scum?. My paranoid senses make me think of a steph that knew what the drink did.steph wrote:Because, given his playstyle, I think it will be helpful to know whether he's town or scum, and the drink may facilitate that, or perhaps facilitate other scumhunting opportunities.
Not at all.steph wrote:Conversely, I think not wanting anyone to drink the drink is anti-town
More of this defense. I dont like it. This Lammont-Steph relation feels kinda forced.steph wrote:Sure, why not. I vote for Lamont. To restate: I believe using it on a player like him is a good idea because it will hopefully make it obvious whether or not he's town aligned, letting us use his enthusiasm for good or letting us get rid of him if he's scum, and make overall scumhunting easier as well.
iso 25 through iso 30 are blatant active lurking.
iso 33 is again more fixation with Lammont. The reason : the devil smiley. WTF? Yes, this relation is forced, like Steph really wants Lammont to be lynched.
Why did you pick the word "seem"? Can you tell us what did the mod pmed you when he gave you the small paper box?steph wrote:For the record, the small paper box I picked up doesn't seem to be doing anything
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