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Forgot to watch this topic. My bad.
I say, for today at least, we don't decide lynch vs. method in any particular order. Things may change tomorrow. The thing we want to be sure of is that everyone is actually voting for one or the other at the point of the lynch, so its harder for scum to swing the method once the lynch is more or less decided.
That said,Vote Ropeto counter-wagon Gun, andVote CarnCarn. I can't see what set up info you can have in a day start that makes you "mildly" suspicious of someone, so I'm inclined to think he is lying here.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Or I'm calling your bluff.You are either avoiding the issue or I just picked up another bit of information about the set up.
Like I said, I can't see any source of pre-game information that would only make youslightlysuspicious of a particular other player.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Because in the context of your vote I don't care about the BM-myself "connection". That's semi-valid analysis in the absence of knowing my tendency to talk about game theory. The issue is the "info" you have that I'm questioning, and that came before BM's post.I don't see why E is wrong. I placed my vote before the game, basically randomly, although with a few extra percentage points towards armlx. Then, the BM post came and I grew more suspicious.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Meh, I've screwed it up enough its at least worth this.
CC and myself can night talk. Not masons, as neither of us has received confirmation of the other's alignment. The later is what CC is talking about, as he is assuming this lack of confirmation is more or less a confirmation of guilty. However, I have NEVER seen that or similar things happen without symmetry in a 2 scum group game, and even in a 1 scum group game I have only seen it happen 1 time out of many, the single exception being a game the mod was fucking with the players as much as possible (Sin City Mafia on MTGS). I've seen it and can expect it with 3 player groups (President Mafia comes to mind), but in a 2 player group I doubt it.
So, basically I'm pretty sure CC is town now that I've stopped being an idiot.
As for other, non-night talk abilities, I have no comment. CC or myself may or may not have those.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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The set up itself implies 2 scum groups. considering we have to choose which one is lynch vulnerable each day.....Yeah, this game seems large enough to have 2 scum teams.
Going ahead and clearing up any remaining confusion. You know for a fact that there is a Sicilian Mafia and a Corsican Mafia in the setup.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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This, I don't like. The Gun/Rope vote is very linked to people possibly being scum. Avoiding it = bad.I am not going to vote for a rope or gun at the moment because now it just seems to mess with other player's abilities to find scummy tells when they have become much too reliant on these abrasive lynch methods.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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This. I don't even talk with confirmed alignment masons much usually.I don't know what the whole point of this ability is either. My guess is that the mod just wants to throw in extra confusion. I don't really see anything I could talk about at night with armlx that I couldn't during the day.
I'm down with the Santos wagon. The last 4 posts have been buddying, going from poking suspicion at my/CC's role to "believing it entirely", and distancing from a wagon.
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Don't forget his raging hard-on for Riceballtail.
I didn't.The last 4 posts have beenbuddying...
Well, its not scummy as he does it regardless of alignment (see Xyl's Smalltown), but it is anti-town. This means that lynching him in any specific game results in sacrificing results in that game for results later when he (presumably) reforms a bit after being lynched a few times for simply being anti-town. The question is whether that's worth it.Yes, because lackluster participation that appears scummy should be encouraged and used as meta, not treated as scummy.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Hi. See Xyl's Smalltownand I haven't heard anyone else vouch for it except CD
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8937
Just use the display all posts options from Empking.
Santos, if that is indeed your role, step up. In that case its pretty much confirmed due to set up symmetry being cool that one of each group is scum.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Realistic MafiaDid you 'Choose Carefully' in saying that or did you just completely hop the fence and come to that conclusion?
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7882
That is all.
The general conclusion would be if 4 of us had that role that in order for the mafia groups to be balanced relative to each other either all 4 people with the role would have to be town or exactly 2 scum, one from each group. Its possible that they would be arranged S1-S2 and T-T, but T-S1 and T-S2 is more likely on design principle.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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How? If we were scum such as two groups of S1-S2. that would be dumb as the joke would be obvious and the whole game would be decided by whether the scum wanted to start killing each other at a given point or not (I was in a game like that forever ago, it was not fun, too much swings on how spiteful people are).It's possible that all four of you could be scum.
The other scenario would be 2 groups of people just straight up lying. Do you believe this is likely?Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Well, we aren't even sure there is another "mason" group. I'm actually leaning Santos is just scum trying to get out of this, possibly with a mason gambit.It's also possible that the former setup is the case, and we are both town, or even that both mason groups are town
That would be pretty insane and take up a lot of design space, possibly to the point of interfering with the main theme of the game.Actually, I'll take this one step further. We could also have T-T and T-S1/S2, or even three such mason groups, T-T, T-S1, T-S2 (the latter is how I personally would have chosen to design it), or even a fourth S1-S2. Look at the AA mafia game for an example of this.
Emp, just to be clear, CC/myself is one pair. Santos has basically claimed "mason" with no partner.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Simple.You probably have some reason I don't see, though, to ask him mason buddy to step up.
If his buddy steps up and is correct, we can be pretty sure that one of each is scum.
If his buddy steps up and is wrong, its very good news.
If his buddy doesn't step up, we know he is lying.
How does this correlate to a vote?Thought: Armlx is trying to get a name out of him to see if it's a scumbuddy, so he can figure out if CC is also therefore scum or not.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I agree. Its just if I'm right, and somehow he turns up town, his partner is NEVER going to claim.Save The Dragons wrote:
This. Even if a partner does come out, I'm sold.armlx wrote:I have a feel that because Santos's partner hasn't stepped up, he is probably just scum and no buddy wants to be linked like that.
Confirm vote: Santosdie scum die.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Too much design space taken up. That would involve at least 6 roles like that.I'm not trying to argue that there wouldn't be multiple one town, one scum pairings (read, on the off chance that Santos turns up town, I'm going to take a good look at you tomorrow), but how do you know there isn't also one or two town-town pairings so that we don't inherently break the setupAway Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Its likely. Its also possible Santos is just straight up lying or its S1-S2 and T-T.So...you think that it's not possible to have a town-town mason group due to both symmetry and design space (especially if Santos comes up scum).
The only thing I'm certain of now is Santos is scum.
I explained how with 1 group its obv town-town, but with 2 groups it gets interesting.Yeah, I'm not getting this because armlx seemed pretty confident that I was town (and I am). I think he's town, too, after he intitial mix-up.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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That.I am not going to vote for a rope or gun at the moment because now it just seems to mess with other player's abilities to find scummy tells when they have become much too reliant on these abrasive lynch methods.
The whole weird Moses vote thing, the non-belief of the neighbor claim on the invalidity of the role mechanic when that was his role.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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