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VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Its not a game without me voting Gamma.
@Transcend: No selfvoting and no quitting this time if you are town! (if you are scum you can selfvote if you want)
Havent played any Multiball games yet so i got a small question.
Mafia is confirmed but what can the other faction be?
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Never surrender to stupidity.In post 252, Transcend wrote:Sorry Manny the stupidity of people really just gets to me and i just give up so i don't have to deal with their stupidity. Lately I've been less of a lynchbait tho.
Oh so 2 different Mafia teams is also a possibility. Well makes sense as SK would probably have it really hard with that many players.In post 251, ConManMick wrote:Based on flavour I'd guess black and white. I Syed fire and ice mafia and the factions were fire and ice.
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Just checked wasnt sure myself but yes i voted you.In post 349, Gamma Emerald wrote: omfg I didn't see this guy in the playerlist.
Did you vote me in 1830?
Beeboy's fire and ice: 13 players 9/2/2
Wakes massive ass role madness: 42 players (wtf) 29/6/6/1
Kmds jungle republic: 12 players 7/3/2
@Trans: Except for the last one i think the balance was ok.
My guess for this game is 12/3/3 i think it fits the balance of Fire&Ice and Massive role madness.
Would you say thats about right?
Why is Gamma so high and Alisae so low in your reads? I think he has a valid point about town!Gamma not spamming like that.-
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I would say i hope you are town and i dont want you to play stupid so we can win because i think you are really good but i have yet to play a game with you were you dont give up.In post 408, Transcend wrote:Manuel87- Manuel refers to me as town here. I'm not sure if he townreads me here or if he just doesn't want me to play stupid this time. Regardless part of me thinks he might have read the game and didn't offer any content. He's a weak scumread for now until he responds to this.
Regarding the no content thing i disagree. I actually tried to get the game out of this stupid shitpostingstorm by asking a serious question.-
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Well there is some part missing but yes thats basically the question.In post 416, Transcend wrote:
Is this the question you were talking about?In post 250, Manuel87 wrote:I know SK and wolves. Is there some other possibility?-
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I actually thought about saying something else because ppl could view it as AtE but seeing who tries to throw shade at me for stating my honest opinion gives me more information so thanks for that.In post 430, Pepchoninga wrote: Ughh, I don't like how you try to compliment Trans and think this is gonna get you off his SRs
Oh and i dont know how much selfesteem you have but personally i wouldnt compliment someone if i didnt mean it just to win a mafiagame.
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Hoh i wonder what exactly you would tunnel me for.In post 537, Pepchoninga wrote:
I don't care about pushing anybody atm. If I was sure, you would more then likely see me tunnel the guy.In post 534, Jaack wrote:To expand-
My initial post about pepcho (449) I lay out two things.
1. Pepcho's shade throwing looks scumy
2. I didnt disagree with one point (about manuel) he made.
I'd expect town to focus on point 2. It's possibly a shared scumread between us. If pepcho was at all interested in lynching Manuel and not just saving his own skin he push harder there.
Instead he focused on how I had fine reasons to scumread him. This implies to me he was more focused on getting me to townread him than to further the Manuel lead.-
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You discredit yourself by saying you play from a neutral PoV.In post 748, Pepchoninga wrote: I just love how you are actively trying to discredit me.
That is antitown even if you are town its still just that.
Basically what you are saying is "i always play antitown so when i am scum i cant get called out for it".
Same thing about the lynchbaitstatement. You say you always get used as lynchbait. So why are you fine with being lynchbait?
This is where i am at right now.
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gerryoat, Gamma Emerald, Pepchoninga
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Show me one post in his Iso that should convice me he is town.In post 777, Transcend wrote:gerryoat is town-
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I am not trying to convince you he is town.In post 787, Pepchoninga wrote:
Show me one post thst should convince us that Ram is town den.In post 782, Manuel87 wrote:
Show me one post in his Iso that should convice me he is town.In post 777, Transcend wrote:gerryoat is town
But if you want you can look at his whole exchange with you. Thats what my townread is mainly based on.
In post 785, gerryoat wrote: How about instead, you give your case on me. Town would do that and not just say you SR me.Spoiler:-
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A scumread is very different from a townread. My read on him might also be influenced by my scumread on you though. If i had to name a reason i would say gut. His posts just come of genuine to me.In post 802, Pepchoninga wrote:The entire segment with me is exactly why I scumread him and if you are town and you belive he is town you should be trying to explain exactly why, like the way you explained your gerry read.
He has a certain aggression that doesnt feel forced.
That was the post i started townreading him.In post 721, Ramcius wrote:
Maybe it's your questions are bad, not my answers? If someone ask me in serious manner, i answer serious, but you try provoke me, so why you expect serious answers? If you have something against me, we can discuss, but Jaack and Lemon Tree look more serious than yours "you not so aggressive" and obvious provoke attemptsIn post 717, Pepchoninga wrote: To some extent yes, many people base meta on other games too. It should never be anything close to a leading factor tho. It is but a guideline for a better view on the player you at hand and helps with the analysis as you have an idea of how a person generally thinks. From then on tho, I'm pursuing in gaining more food on you, so I can form a read around this game and around solid arguments and not by gut and past game experience. I have stated what I have. I find you attitude disturbing and also your answeres not satisfying.-
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In post 808, Jaack wrote: Manuel87 - As I said before, I didn't like some of his back and forth with pepcho. I think there is a decent amount of reaching in his case on gerry, as if he's trying to justify it after the fact. I also think its fairly strange to townread PeregrineV like he did in 774 (the guy hasn't done enough to single him out as a townread), but I can't really put my finger on why that would help Manuel as scum. Just something to note for later.
@Manuel - Explain to me your Peregrine read from 774.Thats why he is in my townreads. Also liked his additions later even though i am not really scumreading Iron or Mick myself.
I wonder where i ever said i have a hardcore bullteproof case against gerry? I was asked about my read and i explained it. As simple as that.
What didnt you like about my back and forth with Pep? The part where he threw shade on me or the part where i called him out for it?-
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So you asked me for my scumread on you.In post 910, gerryoat wrote:i'm ok with the mick wagon i guess. but i think manuel is more scummy. mick was drunk when he made those awful posts so it makes me wanna give him the benefit of the doubt
I gave my reasoning and have yet to see anyone that is defending you to argue about the points i made.
The best i got so far is " I think there is a decent amount of reaching in his case on gerry"
But that statement is just a way to devalue my points without arguing about them.
I have played 2 games with town!Gamma and in neither he was inactive. That can be because of RL so i wouldnt read him scum for that alone but on top of that the only posts he made when he was active were mostly unhelpful spam. For somebody with 52 posts thats quite an achievment. And i dont remember Gamma going that hard into unhelpful spam. In our last game together he even suggested replacing out because of the earlygame spam.In post 795, gerryoat wrote: 2.) His second scumread is Gamma, who hasnt talked in 2 days I believe. This is another safe scumread because not only is he not here to defend himself, but he can just say he thought that gamma is lurking right now. Since this is a the lurker, it makes it a good middle scumread.
3.) His third scumread is Pep. Who is looking more and more like lynchbait. If you see the amount of pressure and votes that have been piling up on pep, I think that he thought this was a safe last scumread just to throw in at the end, because since others scumread him, he won't be questioned much on it.
Pep tried to throw shade at me and i called him out for it so tell me how exactly i was using the arguments others made for my scumread? You say he is looking more and more like lynchbait. Doesnt that imply that you yourself think he is scummy? How do you come to the conclusion that he is lynchbait?
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What he said was similar but not the same try again. And you think it is funny because?In post 931, gerryoat wrote:
Hey, I think you just copied what alisae said. and it's obviously me doing it as a joke, as i answered to him. but nice try.In post 930, Manuel87 wrote:Btw you are trying way to hard to tell everyone that you are town. What is the reason to mention that every time you get a chance?
Yes, triggered into thinking you are actually a
<insert swear word>.
VOTE: gerryoat
Still no argument why my case is supposed to be bad. Just more stupidity to hide the fact you arent scumhunting at all.Last edited by inspectorscout on Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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In post 934, Transcend wrote:Hbd GammaThe way you wish someone a happy birthday on facebook if you don't like them, sometimes in hopes to stir up a fb fight.-
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Gerry is obv town only to you yet you cant explain why. But by now i am used to your awkward townreads on scummy ppl but once he flips red i will still FoS you.In post 940, Transcend wrote:Manny/Mick probably separate factions. I doubt they put two of their eggs on one obv town lynch.-
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I fail to understand your logic but you might want to enlighten me by explaining it.In post 943, Transcend wrote:Gerry is one of my heaviest reads in the game with substantial logic that you neglect to acknowledge.-
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I have to disagree with you. I have read a little into his Iso of that game and i think his play is quite different from this one.In post 951, PeregrineV wrote: My primary reason for not scumreading gerry at this point is we just finished Wordplay Mafia, where he was town and had similar posting style.
Went back to check- here is his iso-
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In both games he goes to figure out Transcend's alignment. Turns out he was scum last game, and gerry called it, but otherwise he appears to be scumhunting in both this game and Wordplay.
Main point is the thing about Transcend. In our game he mad 0 attempts of reading Transcend he is fine with being TR by him and pointing out and mentioning it when he gets the chance. I see nothing close to that in the Iso you posted.
Also he took the initiative in the game you posted, here he is just arguing and scumreading ppl that mentioned a scumread on him.
For drealmerzIn post 951, PeregrineV wrote: I would like to hear about your Pepo scumread, and your drealmerz townread.Spoiler:
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Everything you quoted is like i mentioned in my last post responses to ppl scumreading you. How is that scumhunting?In post 956, gerryoat wrote:
pretty sure i broke down why i thought you and iron were scum. but OK whatever fits your agenda hmmm?In post 935, Manuel87 wrote:Just more stupidity to hide the fact you arent scumhunting at all.
I already mentioned the thing about ironstoves vote on you when you asked me about my read on you which you didnt comment at all.
Quick summary. Why shouldnt he develop a scumread on you for something he thinks is scummy just because he said some posts earlier that he has no sr yet?
Hmm your 2nd quote is part of the 1st quote so i will just ignore it.
You asked me about my scumread on you and i gave you my reasoning. Yet instead of arguing about that and trying to convince me i am wrong you dont mention anything about it at all instead you say my scumreads are artificially and carefully crafted as scum because everyone in my SR is an easy target.
By now i explained all my scumreads. Feel free to explain what you dont like about my reasoning instead of just throwing shade as your defense.
No you were towntraitor thats quite a difference if you ask me.In post 956, gerryoat wrote: I was maf with you before, you should know how i act as maf lol. You're acting pretty similar to that game, so that's why i scumread you a bit more than my analysis.
So how exactly am i acting similar in this game? If you dont remember i will refresh your memory.
In said game i pushed on my scumbudy to the point he was lynched and i was tr for the rest of the game.
You tried to get the lynch off us both so i had to make sure you arent lynched because ppl might have figured out i am scum because of you.-
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Wouldnt that mean you are my scumbudy and i am hardbussing you right now? In case ppl dont understand it that was a joke.In post 1033, gerryoat wrote:
you're pushing on me nowIn post 1026, Manuel87 wrote:In said game i pushed on my scumbudy to the point he was lynched and i was tr for the rest of the game.
but no, really It's not the play, but your way of posting that i feel is similar.
Why would my way of posting be different as town? Do you know how i post as town? If you use meta to scumread me you should know how i play as town dont you think?
If nothing else i am pretty sure i have the same posting style no matter what i am.-
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I have yet to see you argue about my case. You didnt comment on any of the points i made against you. (Like everyone else defending you or scumreading me for my case on you)In post 1099, gerryoat wrote:
not with his bad reason for having a fos on me he isnt.In post 1078, PeregrineV wrote:That same intuition tells me Manuel is town. Look at 801. Scum has no need to go through so much trouble to back up their read, especially on day1. And a lot of it comes from your sussing out of Transcend.
I also want to mention that i already voided one of your reasons to scumread me.
I explained my read on him when he asked me. You might want to read that part again before misreping it.In post 1118, Alisae wrote:Manuel, its that I don't remember seeing them interact with Garry up to the point where Manuel gave his case on Garry. It feels like the scumread just suddenly appeared.
The only person to give me a decent reason for his TR on gerry was PeregrineV. Even thoughas i explained i think his reasoning is wrong at least he has reasons.
Everyone else defending him doesnt even try to tell me why he is town for them. This huge unexplained resistance on that slot makes me scumread him even more.
- Transcend has a TR on Gerry since early on that he cant/wont explain. Yet as i said its something Trans did in both games i played with him as town.
- Jaack defended him a little bit and explained it with gut feeling
--- Alisae, Pine, BYF all chanisaw defended him quite hard without explaining why they think he is town or trying to show me why they think my arguments are supposed to be bad. If gerry flips red those 3 are the first we have to look into.-
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It is true that i didnt interact with him until i mentioned my sr on him but the point you make is that i made a case without interacting with him.In post 1146, Alisae wrote:
Naaaaaaah, you're misrepping me now.In post 1142, Manuel87 wrote:I explained my read on him when he asked me. You might want to read that part again before misreping it.
You never interacted with him up to the point where he asked for a case.
If I phrased it differently sorry, that's what I meant.
I gave the case when he asked me why he is in my scumreads.
Either way i dont see what is bad about developing a scumread on someone.
Please explain how it makes me scum when you dont even take your time to argue about my points on him.-
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- You scumread ppl for attacking/scumreading him.In post 1150, Alisae wrote: And why would I defend Garry?
- He is on top of you townreads.
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Can you quote me some posts that struck you as towny?In post 1156, Alisae wrote:
Good words coming out of this mouth. Also has some good posts.In post 1152, Manuel87 wrote:
- You scumread ppl for attacking/scumreading him.In post 1150, Alisae wrote: And why would I defend Garry?
- He is on top of you townreads.
Can you explain your townread on him?Like every post where he comments about getting townread or wanting it
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Bad readsIn post 1161, Transcend wrote:Can anyone tell me what each of those lists represent?-
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active pplIn post 1160, Transcend wrote:The following:
Alisae
BigYoshiFan
Gerryoat
Pepchoninga
PeregrineV
Pine
Ramciusslot
low post countIn post 1160, Transcend wrote:The following:
Drealmerz7
Elena Fisher
Gamma Emerald
Ironstove
Jaack
Kuror0
Lemon Tree
PenguinPower
bad wagons
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I already talked about this in my reasoning to scumread gerry.
First he sees no reason why BYF should have so many votes later he scumreads him for something he did before gerrys post where he questioned the votes on BYF.
How do you get a townread from that?
Pep already gave his thoughts on Transcends read on him. An attempt to look like he is scumhunting that shows that he probably just skiped over the thread.
Defending himself and throwing shade at the same time. What do you like about this post?
Also something i had in my reasoning about gerry. I dont like how he calls him lynchbait instead of answering the question.
What exactly do you like about his answer?
What exactly do you like about gerry trying to throw shade on someone that just mentioned a scumread on him?
He asked me about my read on him and i explained it yet he didnt argue about any of the points i made. Instead alle he did was trying to discredit my reads by calling them "artificially and carefully crafted as scum"
I fail to see how that is a towny reaction.
I already said that it was similar but not the same. What exactly struck you as towny in this post?
He tries to show us his "scumhunting" he shows 3 quotes the 2nd is part of the first so he basically shows us 2 instances of him scumhunting.
Both are reactions to someone scumreading him.
What exactly do you like about this post?
He throws more shade without showing why he thinks like that by quoting a post that makes him think so.
What do you like about this post?
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He starts with "It wasnt me" thats already a defence in my books. If he doesnt care about it why is he scumreading everyone that mentions a scumread on him?In post 1359, Alisae wrote: you get he's defending himself in 494? I get that he's showing no attempt to defend himself in 494. Mostly because it shows that he doesn't really believe there is pressure on him.
No instead of giving a read on Pep he calls him lynchbait. What does that mean? This looks like he is giving an answer when he is actually not.In post 1359, Alisae wrote: in 732 he answered the question and gave his thoughts on it. Now you're just misrepping him. Sure he may have not said why but given Garry's current posting I don't see him to be the kinda guy that has super content heavy posts.
What exactly is good about his case on me? To me that looks like OMGUS. His "scumhunting" is only directed at ppl that mention a scumread on him.In post 1359, Alisae wrote: in 783 I agree with him that your SR on him came out of nowhere. in 795 +809 he has a good case on you and he's trying to convince people that he thinks you are scum and he wants to get you lynched. To me that looks like scumhunting.
So you are satisfied with him saying "lol i am town roflmao" every time he gets the chance because he thinks its funny? I dont get the joke maybe you can explain to me whats funny about it?In post 1359, Alisae wrote: I forget why I included 931 in there. But that answer doesn't seem to be scummy for me. Maybe it's just a good response.
Again he is just reacting to someone voting him. What about this is scumhunting?In post 1359, Alisae wrote: 990 I like his focus on someone he is SRing.
I welcome everybody to show me where my reasoning on him is wrong yet noone did so up to this point. All i get is "your case is bad/scummy" but noone shows me where my case is bad.In post 1359, Alisae wrote: 996 is a good post because he's basicly saying that your pushes are fake and I agree with that.
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That doesnt mean that his read is correct and if he doesnt explain his read on you i will not follow him blindly.In post 1363, gerryoat wrote:Transcend plays with me the most on and off this site. I think you should trust his read on me if you TR him
Also he TR you immediatly i dont think there is a player that can be read with 1 post.
If i consider you a Schrödingers Cat that would be Pine, Gamma and still Pep although i liked him more recently. Also leaning on Elena.In post 1364, gerryoat wrote:Manuel who are your other scumreads? you can't have me as your only scumread
Possibly but why would you give him scumhuntingcredit for it when he was just reacting instead of taking the initiative?In post 1366, Alisae wrote: 1. Fine to the first part. To the second maybe it's because he felt like scum was attempting to push him?
I actually dont see what the question should have been about if not about his read on him.In post 1366, Alisae wrote: 2. What made you think I was asking specificly for a read? Tho to be fair, that is a good point.
It wasnt really a case but my thoughts on his posts. He wasnt my mainscumread at that point and i just answerd his question.In post 1366, Alisae wrote: 3. Maybe he's just paranoid? Hey, I have an idea. Let's ask Garry. And I just like the case cuz I also feel like your SR on him was fabricated.
Also this post from gerry was made before i gave my reasoning.
In my head someone that mentions "i am town" every time is trying to implant that thought into the mind of other players.In post 1366, Alisae wrote: 4. You're basicly attempting to pin him down for someone that was dismissed earlier as not meant to be AI.
Like in you make a read on him and think back "hmm he was townread quite a bit he is probably fine dont need to look to much into his slot"
While i agree that this might be a far stretch i dont see how on the other hand it has any townmotivation whatsoever.
So at the end i have something that is either just <insert swear word> ( ) or scummotivated.
Did gerry give a case on Ironstove?In post 1366, Alisae wrote: 6. Huh...Now that you point out that observation that is wierd. It's sorta like what Garry is saying about Ironstove. I guess...-
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Wasnt he just reacting to me having a scumread on him?In post 1383, Alisae wrote:Responding to my own quotes.
1. I believe he was taking the initiative with his case on you and the reaching to see if anyone will follow
2. Fair. TBH I did sorta want a read, but I asked what made you think I assumed for it. I also do find it wierd he never really gave me a read.
3. ok
4. ok I just disagree.
5. Yeah he did.
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"Fuck my buddy might be killed better try to shift that wagon"In post 1744, Fro99er wrote:
You're such a joker. Iron got to L-3. You're only at L-5 if I count correctlyIn post 1695, Clumsy wrote:I don't like the interaction between Alisae and fro99er on p. 66. Looks fishy. I also don't like how easily the wagon shifted to my slot. Why was there so much resistance to voting Ironstove but none to my slot?
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In post 1776, Pepchoninga wrote: If you've tead the thread in depth younwill see I'm a slow beginner. I'm more cautious about what I do as town, but when I get good suspects I will push them to the death when I know they are scum. I'm usually an active player, regardless of allingment, so if I'm not that active there probably is another reason..
As a scum I still have a slow start (I compensate with shitposting as both allingments) but I'm not that cautious. I'm more willing to sheep and even tho I still have active assaults against people they are not that overblown and are more directed to several persons as to one.
This is a brief overview that shouldn't be relevant in our situation.
Had to search for that post from one of my past games because thats exactly how i feel right now :OMathBlade wrote:Excuse me while I try to invent a way to wash off the scumminess of this post from my body...Grosssssssss........
Since there is to much resistence on gerry anyway might as well vote Pep again.
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Well its not mine but i dont think MathBlade would mind.In post 1839, Pepchoninga wrote: May I borrow that qupte of your?
Scum:In post 1836, Alisae wrote:Manuel gimmie your reads right now please.
Pep, gerry, Pine, Gamma
Town: drealmerz, Clumsy, Transcend, PeregrineV
Can make a Rainbowlist Transcend style later with all players when i have my break at work.
See above.In post 1844, Fro99er wrote:
What is your read on clumsy?In post 1834, Manuel87 wrote:Since there is to much resistence on gerry anyway might as well vote Pep again
Why resist the Clumsy wagon?
A wagon on Ironstove formed. I didnt like the wagon because of the ppl on it (mainly gerry). But his comeback into the thread was aweful. Instead of reading the thread to see why he is pushed he throws around random arguments. Yet after thes his wagon suddenly shifts to Clumsy.-
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No i thought he could be scum because of his comeback tantrum. scum being on his wagon also doesnt necessarily mean he cant be scum (in the other scumteam).In post 1869, Fro99er wrote:
So you didn't like the iron wagon because of the people on it but you're going to stick with the iron wagon that had your scum reads because a counter wagon formed???In post 1862, Manuel87 wrote:A wagon on Ironstove formed. I didnt like the wagon because of the ppl on it (mainly gerry). But his comeback into the thread was aweful. Instead of reading the thread to see why he is pushed he throws around random arguments. Yet after thes his wagon suddenly shifts to Clumsy.
This is bad analysis.
And i am not on the Ironwagon. Pep has a way higher chance to flip scum for me and if he does Iron has a good chance to be his buddy.-
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I feel left out : /In post 1897, ironstove wrote:I caught up, here's what I think so far:
mafia:
pine - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8726248
elena fisher - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8727384
transcend - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8727931
alise - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8725864, http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8730331
clumsy - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8730311
town:
jack
conmanmick
kuror0
dream
PeregrineV
bigyoshifan
pepchoninga
null:
ramcius
gerryoat
fro99er
cabd-
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@Transcend can you answer this pls?In post 1750, Manuel87 wrote: @ Transcend: who is the most likely scum on Clumsys wagon right now?-
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Funny the moment i stopped pushing on gerry i get a lot of ppl saying something like that.In post 1947, Transcend wrote:Manny's been okay lately but I've scumread him before then townread him when he was scum and IT WONT HAPPEN AGAIN
I wanted to say wtf but i am actually not surprised about that reasoning.-
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You realize that Pine said Pep is scum no matter what Iron flips right?In post 1954, Alisae wrote:
Pep caught me. I basicly decided to sheep Pine's reasoning as well as provide my own. Pine thought it was a WK so I sheeped that, but I also added to it that Pep didn't really feel like bringing attention to Iron at first but then when he was forced to he was like "ehh, he's scummy but not as scummy as my other scumreads" which honestly might be a perfectly normal reaction.In post 1948, Fro99er wrote:
I never said it's a slip.In post 1944, Alisae wrote:"I like to use buzzwords but not know what they mean or how they work"
explain how that's a slip please.
I said why do you think it's a WK? It makes no sense
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Hmm how do you come to that conclusion?In post 1966, Alisae wrote:Jaack is with Mack and Clum.-
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Yes thats what i thought you meant. Thx for explaining the misunderstanding.In post 1972, Alisae wrote:Manuel if you thought I meant paired with Mack and Clum, I didn't mean that. I mean with them in the readlist.-
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wtf did i just read.In post 2014, ironstove wrote: You should understand that a scum player would try to instigate a town player like this in order to get you reported and force-replaced or mod-killed.
I have run into many scum players who I have fos'd early flaming me with insults and personal attacks in order to get me to tilt.
This is the very reason I was banned for a month, because I named the scum players on D2 and they were vets and friends with the person modding the game, I essentially flamed them back and they insta-reported me and banned me.
I would not even drop down to alise' level, I know and you know and all good town players know he has provided no real content and is only trying to stir the pot.-
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Sorry but i dont like outside influence in a game and everyone playing this game should feel the same.In post 2047, ironstove wrote:
Some players are so bad at mafia, all they can do is try to provoke the actual player by being cancerous and try to win that way rather than actually engage with their brains.In post 2035, Manuel87 wrote:
wtf did i just read.In post 2014, ironstove wrote: You should understand that a scum player would try to instigate a town player like this in order to get you reported and force-replaced or mod-killed.
I have run into many scum players who I have fos'd early flaming me with insults and personal attacks in order to get me to tilt.
This is the very reason I was banned for a month, because I named the scum players on D2 and they were vets and friends with the person modding the game, I essentially flamed them back and they insta-reported me and banned me.
I would not even drop down to alise' level, I know and you know and all good town players know he has provided no real content and is only trying to stir the pot.
Having someone modkilled or forcereplaced or even ragequitting is a huge deal in my opinion because it influences the game from outside.
I would never be satisfied with winning that way and acusing another player of doing this is a huge insult for me.
If it happened to you in the past thats aweful but leave it in the past and dont bring it into new games.-
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Rainbow Reads:
drealmerz7, PeregrineV, Transcend
ClumsyRamcius, ConManMick
kuror0
Alisae, CabdLemon Tree
Elena FisherIndigo, BigYoshiFan
Fro99erPenguinPower, Jaack, ironstove
Gamma Emerald
Pine, Pepchoninga, gerryoat
drealmerz: Already mentioned this but him getting annoyed by the earlygame spam felt genuine and is towny. Would like to see more from him but i agree with what he said when he posted after some time. Town is not in control of this game.
PeregrinV: As for drealmerz i would like to see more from him but i like his reads. The early scumreads were close to what i had and later his readslist was also close to mine. Mick and gerry need to change in his reads though.
Transcend: Hard to read but i think he is town. Similar playstyle to my first game with him. This might either change drastically or get locked with the first flip of the game.
Clumsy: Ram felt town to me in his exchange with Pep and him replacing out like he did is something i dont see scum doing. Frustrated town replacing i dont like outside influence but it happened and i think the people trying to paint this as NAI are scummy as fuck.
ConManMick: cant really explain that read lets call it gut for now. I dont see anything that pings me scummy in his Iso.
kuror0: Not much but he was the first to call out gerry for his constant "i am town" spam and reacted good to his childish provocation. Would like to see a readslist from him
Alisae: Not sure about this slot. Probably should be a bit higher but i didnt like how much he defended gerry. Gerrys flip would probably tell us a lot about his alignment.
Cabd: Not much from him so far. Didnt exactly wow me with his entrance. I generally think its really easy to look towny when replacing into a day 1 slot that had no reads on it. His entrance was just to weak to be able to do that though. Need to figure out if the lack of enthusiasm is AI or NAI.
Elena Fischer: Good point about Ram replacing out being towny. Dont know why she would tr gerry when he literally said vote who i want or ill scumread you. I wonder why she never mentioned anything about me again after she said she is going to Iso me.
BigYoshiFan: Simply based on his reads he can be town with some bad reads. Or scum that has good reads on the opposing team. I dont know why he suddenly voted Clumsy when he was Null in his readslist. Probably should be lower but there are to many scummy ppl.
Fro99er: came in and deflected the Ironwagon. I wasnt to fond of th wagon but Irons comeback was aweful and i started to consider voting him. Pushed hard on Clumsy from the start. Should probably be lower in my reads might change it next time.
Jaack: Nothing that made me think he is town so far. Could be in a scumteam with Pep and Iron.
Ironstove: Ill give him that he had the best post in the game so far (it was about a vigi with 2 bullets). Like i said i didnt like his wagon but his comeback was just awefull. Instead of reading up why he had so many cotes he threw around random accusations.
Gamma Emerald: Already explained that read nothing changed maybe some others should be lower then him because my only reasoning for him being scum is meta and i usually dont like to read someone only on meta but still I agree with what Alisae said about town!Gamma not shitposting so much early game. Not sure if i would vote him if he doesnt get some content but if he is town he really should start playing this game.
Pine: One of the leading forces on the Clumsy wagon. The worst reads in the game so far and i dont see a townplayer that bad so the only explanation is he is scum.
Pepchoninga: Looked a little better some time ago but his constant push on Clumsy and wishywashy answers for reads on other players are really bad. The post i quoted when i gave my vote was probably the scummiest shit i have seen in this thread so far.
gerryoat: scum
Funny enough all 3 of my scumreads immediatly tried to deflect the townread on the Ramslot for subbing out.-
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Maybe leading forces was wrong. But he is SR him since he joined and was one of the ppl that tried to negate the tr on Ram/Clum for subbing out.In post 2158, Fro99er wrote:
Pine isn't on the Clumsy wagonIn post 2156, Manuel87 wrote:Pine: One of the leading forces on the Clumsy wagon. The worst reads in the game so far and i dont see a townplayer that bad so the only explanation is he is scum.-
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@gerry: Look at this post and remember that this game is multiball. What are your thoughts?In post 2355, gerryoat wrote: Their posts feel natural to me, like they are genuinely trying to figure out the game.
My read on the slot changed drastically.In post 2355, gerryoat wrote: Also, I think on that wagon Kuror0 might be scum, what do you think of this post?
Especially after saying that he scumread me, he saw me just vote Clumsy. and the wording of it seems a bit weird. He's more worried about ending the day then finding mafIn post 2256, kuror0 wrote:ok finally finished catching up. But for now I will just VOTE: clumsy
Many players are catching so we should have a nice end of the day, I have to sleep but tomorrow will post my list and ideas.
You didnt start as my main SR but the restistance on your slot and your reaction to my SR paired with Peps posting being better made me rethink.In post 2356, gerryoat wrote:Also, wait. Manuel wasn't I your biggest scumread? Why am I not redded in that post of yours? Unless you're implying you think i'm on a different team than them? Or did your read on me change?
After our exchange you got better i think so i strated to rethink my read again. Also Pep got a lot worse when Iron was pressured and Pine caught my attention as well.
You arent in my TR but i dont want to lynch you right now.
i second thisIn post 2361, Transcend wrote:gerry: fro9 opinion? he's now penguin if it helps-
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@gerry: Thats what my first line was about. Dont know how that disappered.In post 2318, Alisae wrote:Clum list your strongest TRs in order from strongest to weakest with the following people in mind:
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2 scumteams 2 shots 2 killsIn post 2368, ironstove wrote:Can someone explain why the mason's partner is not claiming to confirm ?
The way I see it, If one mason is already out then we should have the other mason out as well so that we have 2 town clears, rather than having 1 mason die tonight then allowing for fake-claiming shenanigans to occur.-
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@Transcend: give me 1 scum for each of those lynches flipping town instead of scum.In post 2291, Transcend wrote:lynch pool: cabd, gamma, kuror0, jaack, mick
example: town!cabd=scum!Elena, town!gamma=scum!Manuel, town!kuror0=scum!gerry, town!Jaack=scum!Transcend, town!Mick=scum!Pep (random names that came to mind dont think to much into it)-
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Fine with my vote where it is.
i actually want an explanation why Pep isnt wagoned right now because he oozes scummy.
His flip gives a lot of information. Since i am sure he flips scum we probably can pin down 3-4 players that could be his partners. (Iron, fr99er, Jaack)
If he flips town which i doubt we have a lot of information for tomorrow.
Also scumreading Transcend and Alisae.
Transcend for wanting to lynch ppl with almost no interactions except for Jaack
Alisae for the thing about the Masons right after the claim.-
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Dude Elena comes in and votes Pep. And suddenly fro99er, Iron and Pep bombard her.In post 3024, Alisae wrote:Manny I would like to hear how you got to that conclusion.
Like yeah be more obvious.
+ I already suspected them to be scum together.
Fro99er litterally came into the game and derailed the Ironwagon when Iron just posted the most aweful comeback after his V/LA.
Pep was whitknighting him the whole time as well.
Look at my readslist and a recent post of mine about Peps flip i already mentioned this read twice.-
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They can try to figure it out all they want but as long as there is no claim they cant know for sure.In post 3037, Alisae wrote:Hmm...Manny, idunno about Frogger and Iron. Iron's push on me seems very town motivated and Frogger seems to be doing town motivated things.
If Pep were on a scumteam I think he would try to figure out who the masons were in a PT.-
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i agreeIn post 3046, Fro99er wrote:In post 3023, Manuel87 wrote:pretty sure i have one scumteam nailed down with fro99er, Pep and Iron
Man we're so terrible at scum if we're that obvious.In post 3034, Manuel87 wrote:
Dude Elena comes in and votes Pep. And suddenly fro99er, Iron and Pep bombard her.In post 3024, Alisae wrote:Manny I would like to hear how you got to that conclusion.
Like yeah be more obvious.
+ I already suspected them to be scum together.
Fro99er litterally came into the game and derailed the Ironwagon when Iron just posted the most aweful comeback after his V/LA.
Pep was whitknighting him the whole time as well.
Look at my readslist and a recent post of mine about Peps flip i already mentioned this read twice.
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Well we both have a target painted on our backs for reading Clumsy correct i am well prepared to die tonight.In post 3059, Elena Fisher wrote:Fro is saying he thinks clum and man are masons btw
Thats why i am getting out my reads. I actually wanted to post my thoughts on team Belladonna later but i will go to bed soon and scum might lynch Yoshi over night.
Belladonna suspects: Pine, Alisae, Transcend