NY 168: (GAME OVER) The Mod is Dead, Fire and Ice Edition

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confirmed

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I have no patience.

VOTE: JKLM

TOWNIES ROLL OUT

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VOTE: Yunichikawowwow

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Slandaar: Makes sense he would vote me, and though I can see him just, as you put, Garmr, getting the ball rolling, I still have a bad feeling about him. I'll leave it at that.

You have a bad feeling about someone for wanting to play the game they signed up for?

I see.

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Toomai is probably scum.

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To answer...it's a combination of seeing town in Yuni's posts and seeing scum scumhunting Yuni via voting her. By which, I mean, seeing her wagon, its speed, its composition, the reasoning behind voting, and everything, basically being a signature multiscum move, of scum voting her thinking she's scum, when in truth she isn't.

Uh you do realise for this to be true the people voting her must genuinely think she is scum and thus there is no reason to assume one situation over the other.

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I'm not sure I understand. But yes. Scum voting Yuni probably think she's actually scum. It's painfully obvious she isn't, but scum this game are going to be scumhunting. Their scumhunting method will be different, naturally. Their scumhunting's not going to be as in-depth as town. It's going to be more shallow. It's going to be a cross between their scum selves (faking scumhunting) and town selves (real scumhunting), in that they're not going to fully believe what they're pushing, but they ARE going to be somewhat-serious and legitimate.

The point is; if someone thinks someone is scum as scum, they will do so as town because contrary to what you say scum will actually scumhunt and find the same things scummy as if they were town this is especially true this early on, later maybe you could say they fake some but page 5? nope.

Therefore in actuality all you are saying is a bunch of people genuinely think she is scum.

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Mastin: you are wrong but it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme.

I think everyone currently voting Yuni is town.

I don't know at what point I was meant to read the rules, honestly

Post 36.

Slandaar, sure, but me, no, that was just me townslipping.

Wrong name.

Unvote

Vote JKLM

Awful. Needs explaining.

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Yuni & Desp; When did you realise this was multiball? Did you read the rules? Assume based on name? Found out in thread?

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Fire & Ice is in the title. I think it's pretty clear it's multiball.

TSO I see you have not been reading any of Bulba's posts.

I also see you missed Mastins.

Why?

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If he isn't then I am.

Get to work! Find the scum Yiley!

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Yuni & Desp; When did you realise this was multiball? Did you read the rules? Assume based on name? Found out in thread?

I knew this was multi faction since the beginning. What made you think I didn't know?

How?

Regarding the only scumhunting one faction; this isn't a towntell.
Think from scums POV: Scum are only scumhunting one faction and if they don't realise multiball is public knowledge then why would they act like they know it is multiball?

The point being TSO did not towntell in any shape or form and in fact the lack of reading over multiple posts that made it clear this game is in fact multiball makes it a huge scumtell.

Hes either scum who knew and scumhunted from his POV, scum who didn't know and scumhunted from his POV or town who just plain didn't read a bunch of posts. Which do you all think is more likely?

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Why?

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No we don't.

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Yep, hes town.

Wanna debate the credentials of your vote?

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Explain, because I'm not seeing it.

He has shown quite a lot of aggression and then flat out states he is going to sit back as he has nothing to say as a newbie(very town) while being proactive in the same post.

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My first post was pretty much me being bored one day and wanting something to happen (I guess I

was

successful).

Why would you want to vote he person who started the game if you wanted something to happen? It is counter intuitive.

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TSO you didn't explain why the DryFit wagon is the wagon to be on. In your own time.

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I think you're scum for the reasons others have presented. The fact that townreads agree is a booster, not a base.

This is fair.

I can see Toomai as scum in certain situations but I don't think he is very scummy.

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I've seen him do this as scum.

Do show.

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If you don't like it, then explain why.

Uh, no, that isn't how this works. The Dry-Fit wagon is based on a non-issue from what I can tell.

You explain why it's such a great wagon that I must be on it!

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I went back and reread his posts some more, and what Dry-fit's been saying is... odd.

Looking at newer stuff, #269 he says that he sees Maxous as town, and he doesn't give much reason to believe such. Back at #186, he's saying Yiley is looking so good, and his reasons are weak. Desperado, you, criticize him for it. Then, when Matias, someone at least most of us see as town, says that Yiley seems town, in #269 he changes his mind and agrees, saying one Yiley's posts sounded town to him. I agree with him that TSO didn't really townslip, but I doubt he or mastin or maf, for now. #307, he says Peregrine has been coasting. Sure, he hasn't been posting much, but more than others like Toomai and JKLM. Peregrine has actually been speaking his own mind, so far he seems town to me. I have a feeling Dry's trying to get something started towards him. Finally, he says no one has stated any legit reasons for his being scum, save for Desperado. Many people have been saying stuff against him, and Dry's criticism... isn't criticism. Not really.


He isn't looking good in my eyes, but Maxous isn't either, so I'm going to keep my vote on him for now.

Well Ohkay then.

And what is your opinion on Toomai?

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Good people on it, sound reasoning for it, TSO stamp of approval. What more is there?

Explaining said 'sound reasoning'.

Alternatively you can keep dodging me.

"As town I have argued that being hypocritical isn't scummy, therefore my hypocritical push on Yiley isn't scummy."

Desp in fast and fiurious Majiffy was correct on you from his POV, from your POV he was wrong but you had no clue how to explain things properly and never did hence Majiffy was correct. Here;

I think Desp just didn't explain what he means/thinks properly.

I would go on but it is better to see what Desp says.

Dry hasn't managed to explain what he means/thinks properly.

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L-1

Someone get off now.

Mastin I am looking at you.

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What exactly am I avoiding posting my opinion on Pacman?

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Dispelling the Dry wagon;

No one looks particularly scummy at the moment but I can see Toomai as scum.

This is the issue.

I can see Toomai as scum in certain situations but I don't think he is very scummy.

There isn't anything wrong with what Dry said as evidenced by the quote above. (not my actual opinion on Toomai it was posted to see if anyone would catch on)

Now to find scum;

I like Dry-fit and Yiley for scum.

No reasoning

No, this wagon is scum. I feel it in my bones.

Still none.

Well, I think my vote has been lost.

Regardless...

Unvote
Vote: Dry-fit

D-FIT MY BOY
YOU'RE UP FOR THE NOOSE
TELL THE DEAD QT TO WAIT UP FOR YOUR SCUMBUDDIES
THEY'LL BE IN WITH YOU DAMN SOON

It continues.

Who needs to read Bulba's

shitty wagon

posts when you've got

swag

caught scum at home?

Dodges the question.

Seriously, this is the damn wagon to be ON.

It is getting old now. Right?

TSO you didn't explain why the DryFit wagon is the wagon to be on. In your own time.

If you don't like it, then explain why.

I asked him to explain but he is just dodging like a champ.

Desperado, continue pushing. I grant you permission to do so.

If you don't like it, then explain why.

Uh, no, that isn't how this works. The Dry-Fit wagon is based on a non-issue from what I can tell.

You explain why it's such a great wagon that I must be on it!

Good people on it, sound reasoning for it, TSO stamp of approval. What more is there?

Again dodges me.

Now compare this to explaining his townread on JKLM it is just laughable. TSO is scum he is just trying to fake his town meta but it is forced and terrible. Add to all of this that he has done nothing else except what is in this post and we have our D1 scumlynch.

Town:
Garmr
Max
Bulba
Yiley
JKLM
Dry

Desp probably

Mastin meh
AA9 meh

Middler's
OGML
AH
Aptil
PV

Meh scum
Matias

Scum:
TSO
EPM
Yuni
Toomai

VOTE: TSO

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Slandaar's attempt at dispelling the Dry-fit wagon is him quoting an ISO of me being lazy as fuck.

Not remotely true.

I nullified the main argument then showed who is scum on the wagon (you).

If he wants to assume I'm that bad as scum, he can but he's wrong.

I assume you will be explaining your read soon?

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Slaan we meet again...

@Pacman: I think you forgot to answer your superduper scumreads question.

And... TSO has vanished.

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It's like a ghost town.

Lets impose the mandatory sheep Slandaar day today; Everyone vote TSO.

I can also do a Pacman, Yuni or Toomai lynch.

Pacman because he laughably suggested I was white knighting in a multi-ball game (hes scum not on Dry's team and assumes I am not hence white knight - it is the only way to come to that conclusion)

The other two are quite obvious.

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Scum don't know who is town because they don't know who the other team is. Thus scum cannot be white knighting.

Don't worry too much about it, wait for him to explain what I was avoiding posting my opinion on then things will be obvious.

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TSO you have some explaining to do.

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Pacman because he laughably suggested I was white knighting in a multi-ball game (hes scum not on Dry's team and assumes I am not hence white knight - it is the only way to come to that conclusion)

I meant to ask, how do you define white knight?

Well lets look at this another way; my definition doesn't matter because white knighting only works when the defendant is town. I cannot know this in multiball (know) this means I read the situation correctly and acted accordingly In a pro-town manner. This apparently means you think I am scum but why wouldn't I act in a pro-town fashion as town? I am curious.

I think you also meant to say what I was avoiding posting my opinion on.

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TSO will you be explaining why you voted Dry yesterday?

Let us assume not.

Why not?

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I have no interest in starting a necromancy war when his flip completely suits your agenda. I get you've been lining me up since d1, but here isn't where you'll do it.

Ah, yes, necromancy war. You mean that I asked you yesterday numerous times to explain your vote which you failed to do because you didn't want to debate your vote with me. Then once he flips town you cry foul because it is unfair to force you to explain it now as obviously the reasoning is wrong, even though you had multiple opportunities yesterday to do so which would have prevented the whole situation but because he flipped town I am in the wrong.

VOTE: TSO

Lynch this.

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That isn't the argument I am making.

I think you had a bad reason (as posted) which you probably thought is good, couldn't be bothered to post it yesterday because it doesn't matter what Dry flips at the end of the day, then when he flips town you cry foul because it isn't fair that I am still trying to get you to explain it.

From my POV, I showed why the wagon was wrong, the only argument other than the one I invalidated was Desp's nonsense which was appauling because town will defend themselves in weird ways it isn't inherent to scum. The 'hypocritical' defence was because he couldn't explain it how I could. So, when you act like I am unfairly questioning you on your unexplained vote because you were wrong it is amusingly obvious you are scum.

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Sland asks TSO for reason of vote
Sland again asks TSO
Maybe a 3rd I forget how many times I asked... etc.

Dry flips town

Sland asks again

Dry: NO FAIR NO FAIR NECROMANCY WAR THIS IS UNFAIR.

The laughable reaction is scum; the 'unfair' attitude comes from scum.

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Of course.

You probably should be voting me then.

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Well who do you think is scum then?

Uhg. Really don't feel like posting right now, but I'm fairly certain it's already been two days, so I don't exactly have a choice.

Thats right Mastin; you must post. If you are not up to the task of providing good content please sheep me instead of half hearting it. Question my cases if you want and vote the ones you agree with.

Think of it as playing on cruise control.

Scum;
Yuni/Toomai/TSO/EPM

Then theres a few mehish, those 4 are the big ones though.

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Who is scum besides TSO?

Scum;
Yuni/Toomai/TSO/EPM

Then theres a few mehish, those 4 are the big ones though.

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We need to go on the attack and not be reflexively defensive.

How is voting for a terrible hammer not going "on the attack"?

VOTE: Aptil, and he better give me a good reason why he's inno if he wants to change my vote

I'll wait until he says something.

Unvote

You wait until he says something before you unvote.

Vote: aptil

This post is the worst of the lot . He not only votes me but also has other people ready to blame at .
VOTE: Toomai .

I just want to highlight that I really like this post.

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Thoughts on what I said about Toomai?

Yay, story time! Can I has another Despy?

His tone was wrong.

TSO is town.

Why?

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Yeeeeeeeeeah, thinkin' Slandaar's scum from this and TSO's not. TSO's handling of the situation is much better than Slandaar's.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeah No.

Do you think it is acceptable to not explain your vote Mastin?

I wanted TSO to explain why he voted Dry, he did not, I asked him again, he again did not, I then ask him after Dry flips, he does not, so I proceed to ask why he won't at which point instead of producing a reason why he hadn't explained he explains his vote. Then proceeds to elaborate about how he won't go into it due to it being a necromancy war thus completely suiting my agenda and I have been lining him up since D1 both of which are laughable as all he had to do was answer the original question. All I did was simply ask the question repeatedly.

It isn't town.

I play the not explaining card a lot and know that when you do you always understand you will have to explain the vote at some point, he didn't grasp this, his reaction to me is ludicrous, he cannot expect to not explain his vote, this is scum faking townmeta. Even if I were scum this would still stand so you should take note.

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On a different topic, Yuni and PV were the only two to vote both Dry and Aptil, this is noteworthy because it is voting the person who hammered a person they thought was scum. Probably something in that.

Well. No reason given from Aptil to vote Dry-fit, this is certainly interesting. TSO, I'd like to know why you seem to dismiss that hammer. Possible maf partner noted.
Oh my gosh Maxous

was

maf. I feel so happy.

VOTE: Aptil, and he better give me a good reason why he's inno if he wants to change my vote

I agree with T S O April isn't neccesarily mafia just for a hammer. We need to go on the attack and not be reflexively defensive.

I guess I can see that. I still don't like it, because this might even be what he wants.
I'll wait until he says something.

Unvote

We need to go on the attack and not be reflexively defensive.

How is voting for a terrible hammer not going "on the attack"?

VOTE: Aptil, and he better give me a good reason why he's inno if he wants to change my vote

I'll wait until he says something.

Unvote

You wait until he says something before you unvote.

Inno until convincingly guilty. Right now, aptil isn't convincingly guilty, unless he's a very very silly maf, or attempting wifom.

This also reads completely fake.

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Yeah see we definitely define it differently. I might be wrong on how I think of it, cuz it seems like nobody agrees on the term so I should probably just stop saying it but white knighting to me is generally faking one's interest in the good of the town. People who preoccupy themselves with attacking anti-town instead of scumhunting. It's been so long and I've been so out of this game that I don't even remember what you did that I accused you of white knighting for though. I'll have to go back later.

So, if I were scum I wouldn't know if Dry is town or scum, so how can I fake the interest of the town?

I still want you to tell me what I wasn't posting my opinion on too, you probably should refresh your memory about that when you check what you said I was white knighting.

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Lets play a game

Yunichikawowwow [8]

- Garmr, Slandaar, Desperado, Bulbazak, Dry-fit, Yiley, JKLM, PeregrineV

Who is scum on the wagon?

Garmr? no.
Me? no.
Desp? Eh, well maybe but probably not.
Bulb? Very Unlikely
Dry? Confirmed No.
Yiley? na.
JKLM? eh na.
PV? maybe.

So, looking at the 8 votes this wagon is insanely town.

Now where are the scum? (Yuni is one) and avoiding the wagon (aka Maxstyle). Let me check TSO stance on Yuni wagon... Surprisingly it doesn't exist.

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This game is so slow. Ugh.

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Even if JKLM hates scum this is multiball.

The parts most people dislike as scum don't really apply; he can still scumhunt he doesn't have to be manipulative etc because he can talk genuinely about his actual reads.

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Slandaar's attitude? Goad you into the necromancy war. And despite ultimately knowing it's a bad idea, he succeeded. Falling to the temptation was another sign of the town attitude, and your frustration throughout the whole ordeal was apparent. Slandaar was provoking you into a losing battle. A necromancy war will never end well for the town player, because the town player entering it has already been proven wrong by the flip, and wants to move on.

Basically, you reacted reasonably and sensibly to the whole affair, but were baited into going further by Slandaar, whose entire request was unreasonable. Yes, giving reasons on the day is good, and yes, not giving them before the flip is bad. But entering into a necromancy war about the reasons after the player the reasons are on has flipped town is beating a dead horse, and a town-Slandaar would know better than to do that.

Those are not very nice words Mastin.

Let us put this into perspective now; the wagon was bad, the main reason used for voting Dry was nullified, just like yours was. TSO failed to give any reason to vote Dry yesterday after I asked him at least twice which I wanted so I could show why it is wrong and move him off Dry.

Now I know it is hard to believe, but I am town, so think about it from my perspective, coming into today as town would you expect me to say 'well thats OK TSO you don't need to explain your vote now because that would be unfair'? No.

What would you expect? exactly what happened.

I dislike very much how you have ignored why I asked him today you make it sound like I started a necromancy war out of nowhere which is simply untrue, I didn't actually argue any of his reasoning and it very clearly wasn't out of the blue.

Why is TSO town?

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oh! yes see it doesn't matter what Dry flipped, I'm talking about the opportunity you took when he was at L-1 to feign concern and appeal to someone authoritative:

It was very obvious dry was town so feigning concern is actually just genuine concern.

I 'appealed' to Mastin because his vote was actually bunk so his vote should have been removed.

I can tell you are scum.

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Just checked his iso: Slandaar is avoiding posting anything by complaining about other peoples' posts. JKLM can wait

vote: Slandaar

What exactly am I avoiding posting my opinion on Pacman?

Don't worry too much about it, wait for him to explain what I was avoiding posting my opinion on then things will be obvious.

I think you also meant to say what I was avoiding posting my opinion on.

I still want you to tell me what I wasn't posting my opinion on too, you probably should refresh your memory about that when you check what you said I was white knighting.

At least pretend you are town Pacman.

TSO who actually HAS townslipped

I assume you mean this only looking for one team. Scum only have one team to scumhunt... This after it had been posted about 3 times in thread and was clear it was multiball.

So, what you are telling me is he is town who skipped huge portions of the game?
(hes scum with Yuni and Max it all fits beautifully)

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And for the record Pacman fits into this nicely as he has spent 95% of his time looking for the Maxteamscum. Both I and JKLM magically are on that team; his main scumreads from yesterday for no real reason. That is one huge coincidence.

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When you say anything you don't mean anything otherwise I can bring up one quote and you look terrible.

So, yes.

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And I am asking you to say what you think I should have posted about that I hadn't.

This really isn't complicated.

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Lack of content implies missing content, so, you do need to answer this.

Lack of content is not low post count (mine is 3rd highest in game) or lack of words in posts.

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I will reword it:
You say I have(had) a lack of content, so I am asking you to say what it was lacking.

Not an unreasonable request. For example TSO was lacking an opinion on Yuni for a long time.

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Pacman says I lacked content, I contest, he then waffles about how its a general thing, I contest, this is the part where he is required to say what is lacking. Unfortunately we won't be hearing from him for days I am sure.

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in between about 154 and 403 you complained or made snide remarks about a bunch of posts without much indication at all that you were attempting to find reads.

One maybe.

And you can translate that post to: Nice summary of his posts let me see if you do the same thing for another read.

Show me what you are talking about.

Then all of a sudden in 403 you had a list placing every single player in the game.

Yep.

I don't see the progression there and when I pointed out that you weren't actually saying anything, I was getting at the point that you showed no indication of progress made towards placing the game. It makes your whole list seem really arbitrary too...

I don't post every read as I get it and as it changes, there isn't a point, it just clutters the thread. My scumreads are easy to follow and that is what matters. If you wish to dispute that this is true please do so by showing which of my scum reads isn't obvious.

What I can't figure out about you is why you have no townreads.
(To save hassle later: I actually assume he has reads but hasn't posted them if he did a read list now they would magically appear from nowhere which shows clearly his argument is false)

townslipped multiple times

That second one is laughable; everyone please look at it.

They are not. I have explained why they are not.

You tell me why scum would come into the game acting like it is multiball when the know it is.

and the pointlessness of this "question" you refuse to get over when I've already explained that it isn't the right question at all and has no specific answer.

Not Pointless.

There are a lot of people you could accuse of a lack of content, you chose me, I don't accept this; your argument is bogus. My content levels are very high.

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multiple

Let me take a different angle on this. How is that a town slip?

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How does that matter when the other two may or may not be? Check me all out and if one is not it doesn't matter statement is still true.

I have clearly said none are and have addressed why. I am specifically calling out that one as it very clearly isn't (the others can be debated but they are not).

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A different angle because your first attempt to pin me with some fake bullshit failed? nah, scum

If you want to try and spin it that way that's fine.

You do still have to answer the question(s) though.

You are telling me someone suggesting they don't know it is multiball makes them town. I am saying that actually scum wouldn't come into the game acting like they know it is multiball. The difference between the two is obviously if you believe they are genuine about not knowing. I now direct you to read the first couple pages where it was made abundantly clear it is multiball. Do I believe town comes into the game acts like it isn't multiball (note town should not be assuming anything if they are unsure) while also skipping huge parts of the game including the Yuni wagon? no.

Apparently you do though so it is time to elaborate.

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But isn't it a distinct disadvantage for scum to come into a game advertised and titled as multiball and act like it isn't?

Yes it probably would be, but, your question isn't really applicable. Think about how many people said they didn't realise it was multiball, there were quite a few, this shows not everyone knew (they are not all going to be scum - I didn't realise myself either). If not everyone knew then you can't assume the scum knew it was advertised as such and behaved in accordance with that information.

Take TSO as a better, more specific, example, for him to be town he must genuinely not have known the game was advertised as multiball. This means, if he is scum he would also not have known it is advertised as such (he would know it IS but not that it is advertised). This means he would post as if he didn't know it was multiball because to come in acting like it is multiball when he doesn't know town know is a surefire way to get lynched in him mind.

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Make it high priority this is the most important game ever full stop.

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It's not going to happen today (today is a day for drinking and watching men lightly concuss themselves for 8 hours. GO PATRIOTS!!!).

Maybe tomorrow though.

Unacceptable Desperado Unacceptable!!!

This game is

the

game, posting content here is absolutely of the most paramount importance before doing anything else including watching sports. Unless it is an English sport and then, well, yeah... it's fine as that is important too and its like which is highest priority? hard to say but American Sports? oh no that isn't gonna fly around here!

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Alternatively, I was town and clueless, because I was almost replaced before I even posted.

Occam's Razor.

Yes that is the alternative which I did mention; the point I made was the question isn't applicable and is bad reasoning to use.

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-places hand over my face and shakes head-

Really I mean really.

Really Garmr Really!

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Not happy and It's not the fact JKLM replaced out it's who replaced in can't discuss to much because it involves ongoing games. But for fuck sake I thought I was free of this shit.

I don't know what you are talking about, but, it doesn't actually matter. Whatever Penguin did I am sure it wasn't with bad intentions as from what I have seen of her she is completely innocent and harmless. Mafia is a game that will always cause tensions between people due to the nature of it so try to let the grudge go, forgive and move on.

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Slandaar, you know you want to join me on this.

VOTE: Yuni

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Mastin you didn't respond to my post from a few pages ago and I would like you to please.

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TSO's town because he is?

It is hard to find anyone who can actually give a reason for it which I find strange.

Now I know it is hard to believe, but I am town, so think about it from my perspective, coming into today as town would you expect me to say 'well thats OK TSO you don't need to explain your vote now because that would be unfair'? No.

What would you expect? exactly what happened.

I really wanted a response to this; I would like to know exactly what you think I would have done.

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Currently Yuni is going to be lynched today.

If you think she is town you need to step up and defend her.

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There you go white-knighting again, jumping in to say that sounds like you have the town's best interest in mind

Ah yes, good to see you again Pacman, maybe I am saying things which sound like I have the town's best interest in mind because I do have the town's best interest in mind, hm? that sure is hard to imagine.

when you're not actually doing anything to help.

But I am; This town is full of mice, I am trying to generate discussion on the subject of Yuni.

What purpose does it serve if you, who are voting Yuni, ask for defense on her? If you were actually concerned with hearing a case, which cases concerning her towniness have been posted by myself and others, you would wait until after hearing something to decide where to place your vote. As it stands, you've already decided, so what's the point?

To force people to take a stance on the wagon. You are right, I probably won't change my opinion on her but that really wasn't the point.

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Pacman on the subject of fake posting could you address my point on Yuni in 573.

She hadn't considered maybe Aptil is just a fool? I find it hard to believe; her stance change was too sudden and very awkward.

[Slandaar]

Ughhh

The Mod currently has 38 posts. People who have been in this game since the start with less posts:
Desperado
Yunichikawowow
Pacman
Aptil

Named and Shamed.

I don't think it means

too

much but is interesting none the less.

[Slandaar]

Funny, epm, since I've been playing mafia for ages now and my goto defense to a rising wagon on me when I'm scum is just to not say anything at all stp avoid potentially digging a bigger hole. I'm assuming the same applies to her.

That and the hope that town loses interest and goes after someone else, towns are fickle who they want to lynch changes hourly, just ignore the wagon try not to get people tunneled on you and there is a good chance it vanishes as quickly as it appeared.

It is interesting because I was thinking very similar in that I felt she had been ignoring me for most of the game when I have had her as scum the entire time like she hopes I just go away. Wrong person unfortunately.

I think Yuni is on Max's team but that isn't important.

On another topic; Pacman I love how you have me as scum for being too town; It greatly amuses me.

[Slandaar]

Now I know it is hard to believe, but I am town, so think about it from my perspective, coming into today as town would you expect me to say 'well thats OK TSO you don't need to explain your vote now because that would be unfair'? No.

What would you expect? exactly what happened.

I really wanted a response to this; I would like to know exactly what you think I would have done.

Mastin a response is required.

[Slandaar]

Lets.

[Slandaar]

They were both obvtown; Yiley especially.

VOTE: Toomai

OK, who has Toomai as town? no-one, lets lynch him then.

[Slandaar]

I am so town.

VOTE: EPM

[Slandaar]

UNVOTE: EPM

Alright talk time no lynchy lynch yet.

[Slandaar]

Not Voting [1]

- Antihero

We know there's a fire and an ice on JKLM. So once again, why the counter-wagon to the town-wagon? This is what I'm not getting.[/quote]
Scum want to lynch opposing scum; Everyone was scumhunting and the majority decided they thought Dry (town) was scum while only a few felt JKLM(town) is. Thats all there is to it, simple.

I may go through the rest tomorrow; you

still

need to answer my question from yesterday.

[Slandaar]

Ugh Quotes its late normally I check these things.

[Slandaar]

Willing to wait so we can yak a bit we need more info badly

However my vote will be on pacman dude in the end.

We do need more info badly, yes, I look forward to your thoughts on things.

[Slandaar]

This sucks, I was playing a pretty decent game too.

You are going to be very disappointed when you find out my alignment I think.

[Slandaar]

Ummmm okay I'm not sure what to make of these shenanigans.

What do you mean shenanigans? EPM is scum, Penguin is town.

I'm going to consider aptil "not scum" for now, since the only real reason I didn't like him before was that awful hammer; he doesn't really have any other posts I'd call scummy.

You do that. The hammer still happened so nothing has changed there; if he was scum for the hammer previously he still should be now.

[Slandaar]

Rach I have a feeling you are part of team firescum.
TSO/Toomai/Rach/NJAC

Toomai is ice, Rach fire, the other 2 are kind of interchangeable but eh NJAC fire, TSO ice.

[Slandaar]

literally you are rubbish if you are calling me Ice. Either you're not reading or you have some sort of disorder which prevents you accurately processing information.

And why can't you be Ice exactly?

[Slandaar]

OK I have had enough of this talk time.

VOTE: Pacman

[Slandaar]

VOTE: Toomai

Lets end his suffering quickly.

[Slandaar]

From seeing no posts as scummy to still think as scummy . Please explain .

Hi Aptil; hes scum, vote him.

[Slandaar]

Garmr and Slandaar are definitely not bussing him. Despy, I don't know.

Why does it matter if the wagon is going fast if he is scum and you are assuming hes scum and just trying to figure out who is bussing?

That doesn't make much sense Tee Ess Oh

Toomai is ice

Hmm. Toomai's probably Ice if scum

Hey look we agree on something.

Lets lynch him, I know hes your buddy so it might be hard to put the vote down but really, you should do it, afterall you never know, maybe you will convince me you are town.

[Slandaar]

feel pretty good about PA and Slaan being town.

This makes Rach Firescum just so everyone knows.

From Firescum perspective when Pacman is confirmed Icescum I look very town because I am not Icescum with Pacman (obviously). Firescum know I am not Firescum (again obviously) hence Firescum will view me as town when they can see I am not Ice which is what has happened here as we get my name lumped in with PA's in her townreads out of nowhere.

[Slandaar]

Because the possibility he's -not scum- presents itself?

There is a possibility of him being town very small from my perspective but yes, it exists.

Your posts didn't seem to be working on that basis though;

Desperado and Toomai -should- be scum, since I just ISO'd Desp and it's looking bad.

Toomai wagon going too quickly for my liking.

Garmr and Slandaar are definitely not

bussing

him. Despy, I don't know.

So, what does it matter if the wagon moves fast if you think he is scum?

I also like how this possibility exists for Toomai to be town but didn't for Dry, his wagon didn't move too fast either apparently.

Quite intriguing I must say.

So, you're calling a Toomai-TSO-pacman team?

Show me interactions which align us in that team, then.

Yep, I called that yesterday too, see above that is a nice link. Toomai/Pacman link very well for obvious reasons.

[Slandaar]

Slaan,

What are you trying to say I can't just see you as town?

Especially with multiball, and a large number of peeps to sort out, having a few peeps I can peg as town help me sort out all the scums of both stripes.

The timing of it all just fits too well, you didn't have me as town prior to EPM being scum revelation then I just am.

Perhaps, if you post content , you can sway my opinion but probably not .

[Slandaar]

Slandaar you literally answered fucking NOTHING I asked of you.

I answered everything.

At this stage I'm hoping you're scum because your town game is absolutely awful. You can't even back up your bullshit accusations with any sort of proof, at all.

What proof are you looking for?

I have some scum reads and have put them in teams based on where they make sense, Toomai clearly makes sense on Ice, Rach Fire, NJAC and You like I said are interchangeable but NJAC just makes more sense on fire than ice leaving you for the last slot on ice.

Am I wrong somewhere? maybe, it's not impossible, but, we are starting with Toomai today and then go from there.

[Slandaar]

No, you didn't. You got people you thought looked scummy and fucked them into teams, and then you claimed to have a full set of scumreads, when you definitely don't.

Nice accusation.

Name who is scum, 4 names in teams, go.

[Slandaar]

VOTE: Rach

Its amusing how Toomai was unanimously scumread for his earlyish posting when he was forcing the posts by crumbing.

[Slandaar]

Slandaar, Toomai, Desperado, RachMarie.

You forgot to mention teams, come on TSO, move it

[Slandaar]

This is the second time in 3 days Rachmarie is active only when she thinks a lynch has happened . RM oppurtunistic scum for sure .

This seems very town to me, its correct too (good reason to vote her), don't lynch him.

[Slandaar]

Oh and Slaan brownie points if you can figure out my concern here with these quotes:

Nothing?

Most of his early posts read terribly which is why I had him as scum and I assume everyone else did; turns out the reason for it reading terribly is he was crumbing which ironically has saved him from the lynch but it brought all the suspicion on him in the first place. (Which is why there never really was a case made)

Actually PA is a stronger town read than you are.

[Slandaar]

It was that you seemed to lead the lynching party then all of a sudden acted like everyone was being naughty for trying to lynch him based on those two quotes which were not that far from each other, originally there was 3 quotes and the quote plus button messed up and forgot to post the first one when you voted for Toomai earlier.

mmm

I didn't suggest anyone was being naughty voting for Toomai I just like to analyse where I go wrong when I do and in this case; I didn't; I just didn't consider he could be breadcrumbing (you shouldn't assume that ever)

Simple logic. The simple fact of assuming Toomai is a scum doc and not a town one must lead you to believe 2 things: 1.) He is Fire scum, since they actually delivered a kill. 2.) He is lying about his target. Why is that a natural conclusion? Because both teams are down to only 2 members each. If Toomai was a fire scum doctor, it would be suicide to claim his actual target, since if he dies, town would easily finish off his team. It is not in his best interest to do so, and claiming a false target introduces WIFOM and has the possibility of maybe getting a mislynch in, while simultaneously protecting his partner. It also has the advantage of buddying up to whoever he claims to have protected, since odds are high that they wouldn't want to kill him.

Ergo, if you are claiming that Toomai is a scum doctor, you are also asserting that he is lying about his target, and in that case, there are only 2 people who would know that for sure: The Ice team.

I have thoughts about this, I need to check some stuff.

[Slandaar]

Simple logic. The simple fact of assuming Toomai is a scum doc and not a town one must lead you to believe 2 things: 1.) He is Fire scum, since they actually delivered a kill. 2.) He is lying about his target. Why is that a natural conclusion? Because both teams are down to only 2 members each. If Toomai was a fire scum doctor, it would be suicide to claim his actual target, since if he dies, town would easily finish off his team.

Town wouldn't just lynch his target for fear of WIFOM (although probably should). If Toomai were scum it is better to claim legit as then no-one is wiser to Toomai's alignment. Claiming an alternate near enough outs Firescum to Icescum (Toomai has outed himself and his partner to them) which is not good for Firescum's chances to win..

It is not in his best interest to do so, and claiming a false target introduces WIFOM

Not really, claiming any target produces some form of WIFOM, but, if you believe he would never claim his legit target then there is no WIFOM.

and has the possibility of maybe getting a mislynch in

Not likely. Especially if we are to believe he would never claim his actual target.

while simultaneously protecting his partner.

Continued from above: Simultaneously Not likely.

It also has the advantage of buddying up to whoever he claims to have protected, since odds are high that they wouldn't want to kill him.

But as we have already concluded; the Fire team would be outed to the Ice team; it really isn't beneficial in comparison to the cost.

Ergo, if you are claiming that Toomai is a scum doctor, you are also asserting that he is lying about his target, and in that case, there are only 2 people who would know that for sure: The Ice team.

Fire team also would know. Potentially PR's would also.

I assume you think Toomai is scum?

[Slandaar]

Just had a thought but couldn't ice scum just cross fired with fire scum? Then again same rules apply only ice would know.

Kill flavor suggests not.

Didn't you wonder why Bulb was calling the kill fire?

[Slandaar]

(I think Garmr just slipped)

[Slandaar]

What would be the scum motivation for posting that?

It's not about motivation; not everything is, he is posting as though he knows fire made the kill, but, how does he know? it appears not from flavour.

[Slandaar]

If Toomai is fire scum, Ice scum already know who he actually protected.

Yes, so if he told the truth as scum then Ice scum wouldn't know his and by extension your alignment (you would be scum in the scenario he told the truth as scum). If he lies; they know both remaining members of Fire scum. The difference between the scenarios is pretty clear the first is better for fires chances to win.

It would still be WIFOM from the town's PoV, since they wouldn't know for sure whether Toomai lied about his target or not. Just because I think that lying is the optimal move does not mean that everyone else will think so.

Yes, so, then if he claims his legit target then he has also created WIFOM from towns POV so there is no difference in the scenarios. If he lies and gets lynched icescum know his buddy, if he tells the truth and gets lynched icescum know his buddy nothing changes from towns POV.

I didn't include fire team for obvious reasons. I didn't consider PRs.

Firescum might show skepticism towards the claim also due to knowing.

I'm not sure. I acknowledge the possibility, but I need to reevaluate my understanding of the game and see what is likely. I don't think he should be lynch today, though.

Well your case doesn't mean anything if Toomai is town and he is.

[Slandaar]

Yes?

Well your case doesn't mean anything if Toomai is town and he is.

[Slandaar]

Bad; in relation to alignment? more likely town its not a clever argument to make as scum.

[Slandaar]

Like it would help me? If I had something super important, I would say it, but I don't. Since you insist, though, VT.

Rach, did you not find this quite town?

[Slandaar]

Slandaar, yes, it's a bad argument, but on the flip side, what's the town logic behind it? Especially after 1014 and 1015?

The town logic is simple; Desp thinks Toomai is scum.

IF Toomai is scum; Desp chance of scum would be higher, but, assuming Toomai is town means Desp is just making a case on someone he thinks is scum with no extra info. (extra info means both are scum). I don't see a reason for Despscum to be more likely to make the case that Desptown with no extra info.

What does 1014 and 1015 have to do with anything?

[Slandaar]

Actually I have seen people claim VT as scum, I have done it myself, not everyone comes up with some fake PR claim when they are scum.

That wasn't really my point.

You can see her thought process; 'I am a VT, no point in claiming it doesn't help me so I won't' after being told multiple times to claim she claims VT which obviously does nothing for her, she says that as if resigned to the fact.

To have that clear a thought process of why she wasn't claiming is near enough impossible to replicate.

When I saw that post I was like

Its too early for that lets focus on finding scum and not claiming PR status

Lets do that!

Come on Rach, We are all expectant, we need your help to find the scumsies, who are they and why?

[Slandaar]

I was just curious if it was a possibility. If I was ice scum I would already know if the kills were overlapped and I would keep it quiet and avoid the subject in fear of raising to much attention. If I was fire I would still be in the same boat as town and wouldn't know what ice would of done also still have the fear of raising to much attention.

Maybe you were a curious panda, maybe not.

Why do you think the kill was made by fire?

And to follow on; Why would the mod make biased (couldn't think of a better word) flavor to not make it clear if both scum shot Mastin and make it look as though only fire did?
(you can ignore that question if your answer to the first isn't flavor - for now)

[Slandaar]

I still think Aptil is scum hence where my vote is.

Why?

[Slandaar]

I will post (a lot) later, who else do you think is scum Rach?

[Slandaar]

OK first off;

Aptil what the heck was that hammer?

We were no where near deadline and I am still working on catching up which with all the down time of the site has not been easy.

Post 1 after a hammer on Dry.

That being said, it is probably a town derp hammer. Though it is multiball so by itself is not enough to be a solid town read. uggh

Well will work on catching up more while we are on night I guess.


Was going to let all my games know I would not be on much at all tomorrow since we will be flying to TN for the holiday, and to look at some houses. We may end up moving there.

2

INTENT TO HAMMER Yuni

Claim

Around as soon as Yuni hits L-1 to hammer

VOTE: Yuni

Da Hammer

Hammers obviously this is ISO post 11.

So, that is a good % of her posts around hammers then take the following into consideration as she thinks a hammer has happened.

Did you just hammer him

when we were waiting for people to talk first?

1

hmm Aptil could be fire since EPM is ice based on the cop that copped him...

2

Thats ISO #13; 6/13 are posted around times she thinks someone is hammered/being hammered.

Aptil's observation is completely legitimate, there isn't a misrep, I know this because I also noticed this trend in her activity levels. Is it coincidence? maybe, but Aptil sure isn't scum for making the argument.

[Slandaar]

Ok. It took more than expected but I finally finished reading. I agree with Rach that there's a lot of stuff from you here to read (and reread to assimilate).

Not buddies with Rach.

I also have the impression that multiscum games are a bit easier for us the town,

Horribly worded 'us the town' really really fake.

Also, I'm still wondering if Aptil's blatant hammer makes sense as scum, because I suppose scum has to be more careful so would think it twice before hammering like that. But I can also imagine scumAptil defending a scumpartner from becoming a counterwagon, and after hammering making his defense with the WIFOM argument of: "scum wouldn't hammer like that". I suppose I must reread and ISO a bit to solve this, but Dry didn't look that scummy IMO, especially in the end of D1, when Aptil hammered, as some of you pointed out. Thoughts anyone?

Lots of waffle.

Finally (and maybe stating the obvious), assuming three scum per group (still wondering how you reached to that conclusion),

Horrible, honestly, hes 'still wondering how the conclusion is reached' then ask. It reads like he knows the assumption is correct.

bussing is something scum would hardly avoid in the first days (if not in the whole game), right? So, people who were pushing Maxeous are clearly not fire, especially Yuni, who I'm also reading as town.

Yuni was pushing Max, Yuni isn't fire, Yuni is town.

NJAC is Icescum, makes sense with Rach in Firescum.

And later; (80ish posts)

II'm having a hard time reading TSO and Yuni.

So, NJAC is scum, Rach is scum. Lets lynch one of them (Rach so I can be conftown)

[Slandaar]

that's admittedly a good vote.

But he could just be hopping onto the largest counter wagon that's most likely to take off that said I'm up to lynch RachMarie as she was next on my to lynch list after Toomai. Still through that vote on Rach looks like he was trying to save his own ass more than hunt scum as I couldn't find where he mentioned her in his iso ever.

VOTE: Desp

Garmr



Come back to the light.

[Slandaar]

Why are you white knighting Aptil so much Slaan?

That is not what he said. Yes I did talk about hammers but I did not only complain about hammers. I also did one of the hammers.

That is not what he said, but it is what he was saying.

And I have had the white knight conversation previously with Pacman (he was scum). I think Aptil is a good honest member of the towns community as such I will be his guardian angel or white knight or any other term you wish to use.

[Slandaar]

Rach you need to claim in your next post.

[Slandaar]

I will vote rachmarie If it looks like a danger of a no lynch But I'm more worried about desp sheeping your case and his funny behavior at the moment.

Funny behaviour maybe, but funny behaviour is not the same as scum behaviour or any relevance to anything.

Desp is the easy lynch, he made himself the easy lynch, scum don't do that at least they try not to. (This is not an argument of he is too scummy to be scum; he isn't scummy but people think artificial things make him scum ie; pushing on Toomai when there is no chance that lynch was happening after his claim, its not a clever move from scum thus hes probably just town who is confused what actually is scummy about it? bad? yeah sure, scummy? no.)

[Slandaar]

Under 12 hours; Desp you should claim.



OK guys there's a fire; everyone keep calm and follow me in a nice orderly fashion, don't panic and definitely don't think we won't make it; we WILL make it, we WILL make it out of this, don't you worry.

VOTE: NJAC

Move to this wagon immediately.

[Slandaar]

Why are you telling me this?

Move your vote to NJAC.

[Slandaar]

I changed my mind on Rach a little to the point where we should move to the obvious scum NJAC for today;

I also have the impression that multiscum games are a bit easier

for us the town

,

'Hay guiz I am part of the town too!'

Spoiler:

No he's not

[Slandaar]

No, not just that one line if you had been paying attention you would know I made a case on him a couple pages ago.

Vote him, this will happen if you want it to, no 'oh noes its deadline' nonsense.

[Slandaar]

Eh sure we can do that

VOTE: TSO

[Slandaar]

Garmr

[Slandaar]

I'm town.

Link this Pokemon game.

[Slandaar]

Only interaction ever involving or mentioning maxous and is a subtle redirect. (Side note yuni was on the ball with fire scum.)

Subtle Redirect is a bit of a stretch, her post is a waffly mess I questioned her on someone else to see if the same would happen or not.

I don't have any clue how you came to this conclusion, and if this is scummy for him, then you should find both mastin and I scummy as well.

no no, no

It's not that Toomai called TSO town (which he is), it's that he said nothing BUT that.
Look at his ISO - he is posting just enough not to be called lurking with just enough content not be fluff posting. He gives like 1 new read per post. His pushes are weak (if existent?)
It's textbook coasting scum.

- Garmr: His first post was really comfortable(tonally), no sign of scum caution or nerves to it - and was a big difference to his early play in a mini normal I was in with him recently (in which he was scum). There is a massive difference here between this game and that game.

-Slandaar: I don't feel like he would of written #18 as scum, not a strong read but eh. (since then, his play has been ok)

- ArcAngel: What I was suspecting about Arc was that she delayed starting the game because she was strategising with her buddies pre-game first (since I happened to see her post elsewhere without confirming here) but her complete lack of activity since has blown that theory out of the water.

- Desperado: I liked how he was pro-active and agressive in pushing the Yuni wagon early, as I think scum would of voted and sat back at the point.

- Aptil: Yeah, his post being weak was the reason I was meh on him.
- JKLM: I liked him early because his posts were full of aggression and conviction

Out of those reads which ones seem thrown together (the desp and the slandaar one.)

Uh, no. It looks like you just took my name out of the blue to force this 'connection'

Explains most of the reads mentioned except sland and desp in the spoilers. Also desp explantion is rushed (another proven connection)

Uh no. He explains maybe 5 of them he left you out too.

Also after maxous flip Slandaar doesn't go back to see if there's any connection between him and someone else. He doesn't even mention him at all.

I didn't with EPM either. Playstyle.

Coach coach coaching

Coaching doesn't really exist because any interaction can be perceived as it. For example;

A vote B

Could be called coaching.

Is saying desp could be scum while saying no to everyone else except PV which he handled in a less wifomy way and didn't need to explain himself.

Is saying that Desp isn't at the top of my townlist but is in it where PV was more meh. If you had looked at my reads post you would see how everything makes sense.

This here is a passive defense of desps

TSO: This wagon is moving fast let me find who is bussing!
Sland: Uh it doesn't matter who is bussing if you are assuming the person in question is scum.

This is called scumhunting, not passive defending.

And here's a hard defense of desps now this is wierd from someone who has been calling him maybe scum unsure of.

Sure, I haven't called him scum though, I still think if he were town he would think the same as he did. Don't see how this is relevant to anything I defend lots of people.

His main concern here seems to be not looking like fire scum as he doesn't care bout looking town

My main concern while talking from a firescum POV about how they would perceive the game is to not look like firescum?

What?

[Slandaar]

What is scummy about trying to get someone to unvote someone who was town?

[Slandaar]

Ok lets just say this is a interaction I find scummy

[Slandaar]

That was an example of a very similar situation to show him why he was wrong. The example was; sometimes people cannot explain properly what they mean.

It is not saying he is right.

[Slandaar]

I think JS's kill flavour is incredibly ambiguous. I myself think it's Ice alone, but I could see how Ice Burn is Fire & Ice.

Why then are you voting me?

[Slandaar]

To have a scumdoc on one side, you'd need something of reasonably equivalent power on the other side. As firescum he would know that they don't have that equivalence.

Or he would know they

do

have that equivalence. Which to me makes a lot more sense in regards to his push on you.

I very much dislike how you have just discounted that possibility for no apparent reason.

[Slandaar]

Exactly what I said If you can avoid not looking like fire scum you are less likely to get lynched because as you said It is less likely you are ice scum with the attack between you and aptil.

What attack between Aptil and I? How does it make me less likely to be ice scum?

I don't see your point, I made a case based on completely sound reasoning, you are telling me I made that case to not look like firescum, why am I not just town who made a case on someone I think is firescum?

[Slandaar]

mastin2 was turned into a Kebab,

@Mod: Please can you reword this as I am finding it incredibly ambiguous

[Slandaar]

I am not calling Aptil scum there.

[Slandaar]

I don't want to get into much setup discussion at this point, but I just don't think that town is balanced with two teams of 2 goons and a doctor/equivalent.

No way to know unless you know the full setup which you don't.

[Slandaar]

Well lets continue this then;

Nope it's similar between you and desp because of the way it written it was like he was forcing a town read on you which would be dangerous to do as scum in a multi scum game unless they are on your team. Desp is also forced because I don't really see him as a big contributor to the yuni wagon.

I am, was and have been for the longest time obviously town, why is his read not genuine?

if you just pretend coaching does exist in your world of theory why wouldn't this be the case?

There is no way to differentiate between coaching and general interactions so even though it may happen it doesn't exist in terms of scumhunting.

You left room to change your read and that what my main point was still I consider you been a bit wifomy on him.

I can change my reads when I like on who I like I don't care for 'room' my read is my read.

Doesn't matter you were waffling on him and then popped the hard defense out I don't like that.

There isn't any waffle my stance is very clear.

[Slandaar]

I think JS's kill flavour is incredibly ambiguous. I myself think it's Ice alone, but I could see how Ice Burn is Fire & Ice.

Why then are you voting me?

TSO I think you forgot to answer my very important question.

[Slandaar]

This is me voteparking, which is a characteristic of my play. I can draw up multiple instances of meta in this.

Vote parking no-one? lets see this meta then.

The best case for firescum was made by PV on Rach although my case is very solid also.

TSO/NJAC Ice, Rach Fire.

[Slandaar]

You can literally see the answer to the question in the lower part of your post, so I think you know -why- I'm voting you.

Because you are unsure? I see no answer. You think its an Ice only kill therefore from your POV I am cleared of fire scum and should be near enough cleared of Ice, no?

You have fun with that, I guess.

Oh, I will! I want this meta you said you could produce.

Looked at Desp's wagon. If someone was bussing, it was Rach.

But it seems odd that he naked voted Rach in retaliation.

Ugh.

Nothing odd about it, he voted the only other viable wagon, more questions are asked if the two don't vote each other than if they do.

Slandaar, vote NJAC with me?

VOTE: NJAC

[Slandaar]

Lets just lynch NJAC.

[Slandaar]

I have a question (please note it is my question despite the fact it is in a quote - I want the style points)

Why are you wasting your time, Rach?

Zekrom: have you read the game? and can you post all of your reads please.

[Slandaar]

Aptil was town.

Zekrom is town.

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Rach, Peregrine asked you a very good question which I was looking forward to you answering, unfortunately you appear to have forgotten to reply which makes me very sad

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Garmr

I have been transparent about my scum reads how is that not scum hunting? I have pushed on Pere and Zek who are my two top scum reads.

Still waiting on what Pere's question is?

Guessing 1114 and maybe 1117.

1114.

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Clearly common sense prevails here; just discount Garmr's vote and continue with the knowledge it is 5 to lynch now. No harm is actually done by doing so and that is what everyone

should

want.

Zekrom, you should claim.

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Garmr the mod made the correct decision, he can't count the lynch when he has been telling us all day it is 6 to lynch and everyone was playing to that number. When 5 turns out to be the 'correct' number and someone is at 5 votes, the mod cannot count it as a lynch because this isn't a bastard game; the mod cannot lie; he told us 6 all day and that is what everyone played to (except Toomai) so it IS 6 to lynch NOT 5 even if 5 is technically correct. The trouble is Zek ran a terrible gamebit but that is not the mod's fault.

I hope you reconsider your position.

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I TOLD you Zek/Aptil was scum.

Look, we don't need to get into who told who what, that isn't important, we just need to lynch scum.

So now Slaan want to redo your reads a bit?

I dunno, need to see what Zekrom flips, I do have a unique opinion on things currently though it seems.

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Depends what Zekrom flips.

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I think you should stop posting.

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I am out for about 45 mins but Garmr, seriously, please stop posting (do not respond). Maybe the game was modded terribly, but you are not being subtle and it just makes things a lot worse.

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I dunno how but we did it guys!

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Slaan it was a pleasure playing with you and at some point I hope you can learn to tell my town game

Always good playing with you and of course I hope so too but that point is probably still far in the future.