NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:28 am

In post 5029, Generic wrote:your attempt to bus your teammate?

I'm still waiting on someone... idk, maybe you. To point out why this is busing rather than TvS or TvT?

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:36 am

In post 5031, Generic wrote:Why question this now when it was proven?

Because I've been technically absent from the game for most of D2?

The way he pushed people in Marketplace Mafia it's way different than here, if it's other game then idk what you're talking about.

On the one hand both Nacho and Thor are a very strong asset to town if they are town, so I can see scum going for this possibility to get them mislynched.

On the other hand if they're scum they'll live for a long while and eventually they'll leave traces.

If they want to bus their partners let them do it? We get a scum flip anyway.

If they are town then they'll also find scum coz both Thor and Nacho are pretty strong players.

I don't see any reason for them to be lynched today.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:38 am

In post 5034, Bert wrote:Sakura, Desperado is an asset to town if town too.

I disagree.

Or at least i never seen him do anything useful here or in Oz.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:42 am

Why don't you trust casso then? I've had a fairly strong townread on them that only faltered like once.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:15 pm

I've seen the Nacho factor in this game before, so idk what Generic's going on about.

He might as well be the one who's busing Des and depcting you as busing so he can easily trade Desp for you in a way to take down a strong town player.

Tho first i'd need to see Desp flip.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:20 am

In post 5113, zMuffinMan wrote:i kinda just want some flips to sort out where i'm right or wrong atm

What do you make of SC's flip and the people that were voting them?
What do you make of Tammy's flip and her interactions in general?

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:02 am

So I guess Bert now disagrees with this:

In post 5034, Bert wrote:Sakura, Desperado is an asset to town if town too.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:11 am

In post 5152, DOMO wrote:Casso would be an asset if they were town. I'm not feeling casso as a huge asset right now. I wonder why that is?

What do you think about Desp doing nothing, and not even trying to push my lynch despite me being his strongest scumread?

PEd. Who's still pushing for that scumslip?

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:23 am

In post 5169, Desperado wrote:
In post 5154, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 5152, DOMO wrote:Casso would be an asset if they were town. I'm not feeling casso as a huge asset right now. I wonder why that is?
What do you think about Desp doing nothing, and not even trying to push my lynch despite me being his strongest scumread?

PEd. Who's still pushing for that scumslip?
zzzzz

what could would pushing your lynch have done this day? i would have been sitting by myself all lonely and bored voting a single-vote wagon

i'm pretty sure i already explained this once

If you were really town and you were really scumreading me you'd keep trying to convince town why im scum and why everything i've done is fake.
You aren't pushing because you know I'm town and there's no way you can make up a way for what i've done to look fake so you gave up pushing in that direction, so you'll just settle with just about anything else.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:50 am

I said this many times before, just because you've seen me do something only as town doesnt mean im not capable of doing it as scum.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:52 am

In post 5193, DOMO wrote:I'm actually thinking we should speedlynch sakura.

This is actually a good idea, that way I get less games to focus on, and Nacho lives.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:32 pm

In post 5205, DOMO wrote:
vote casso

Please lynch the shit out of sakura tomorrow.

Oh? I thought you wanted to speedlynch me today?

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:41 pm

I thought that I said getting lynched is a win:win situation for me?

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:43 pm

In post 5229, DOMO wrote:Why? Are you that sure casso is town that you're willing to go down instead of him?

That, plus the fact that Nacho's a much better scumhunter than me.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:37 pm

So Desp, what are your thoughts on F16's analysis of my meta and him saying I'm super town?

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:27 pm

In post 5254, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:@ Sakura, do you believe my analysis of your meta is accurate? What are your thoughts about it?

You've pretty well managed to decipher what my feelings and plans were when i made those actions im impressed.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:31 pm

This kind of discussion is really unsettling, if you want to find out my alignment then why not just lynch me and find out? It's not like I'm doing anything to convince you otherwise.

I am aware of my meta, but my emotions just go high wire in discussions like these, which is why I initially tried to become less emotional, with that failing and the trust tell becoming stronger i pretty much have no other option other than to quit mafia so I stop ruining games for others...

The other option would have been to break the trust tell by doing it as scum, unfortunately it was too late, I tried something already in Ace Attorney but i couldnt get my feelings to come out believable, all in all it's better for me to just stop.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:49 am

In post 5266, Bert wrote:awwwwwwwwwww

Vote: Casso

I wanna see a happy GM

or I'll be disappoint

bummed outta my mind

I'm starting to think that Bert is scum

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:23 am

In post 5292, zMuffinMan wrote:can we just lynch casso today?

Casso's town, if you wanna lynch town today lynch me instead.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:22 am

I'm not going to flashwagon a null read over a scumread.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:22 am

In post 5309, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:This reads as so manipulative. You CANNOT be so certain that Nacho is town that you are willing to get lynched in his place. Nacho is a good scum player. There will always be uncertainty and paranoia. Even ffery who can read him like a book isn't certain of his affiliation.

I did the same before, why didn't you question it, yet you question Cephrir's motives?

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:28 am

If we're not lynching Ceph i rather flashwagon Bert or SSK, just saying.

DOMO is also going down there since it seems like him and Bert are doing everything to avoid a Desp lynch.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:29 am

In post 5330, Sakura Hana wrote:If we're not lynching
Desp

FTFM

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:30 am

Bingo, prob. Desp is a strong scum PR hence why he's so fricken hard to lynch.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:31 am

Yes, but how much yelling from me and Nacho it took for it to get that way?

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:33 am

In post 5335, DOMO wrote:I briefly considered hammering

Wait what? Last I heard you said:

In post 5308, DOMO wrote:I'm not going to oppose a hammer but I expect a town flip so
I'm not hammering
.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:06 am

So the thread lock prevented me from posting it, but I pretty much was thinking that Bert was scum right at the end.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:12 am

In post 5551, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Sakura, can you answer my questions?

I haven't read everything since day start yet, I just thought of leaving that there since I couldn't post it yesterday.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:35 am

Actually I just ISO'd you to find it, since

In post 5398, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Sakura, you clearly read that and are aware of ffery's reactions to being told what to do with meta/trajectories so I don't really understand your 3091.

I am not aware exactly how/when she does vote trajectories, In that game she said she only does it when replacing in, but did it anyway, at that point I was conf town so I thought that's why she did it, then it turned out she was scum, and also that was the only game i've had to ask her to do the trajectory analysis, so I thought not doing it on her own was part of her scum game.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:07 am

And you think I read every single post in Marketplace? That game was moving too fast for my liking and i left Nati all by himself, and even when I did read I skimmed and sometimes skipped pages.
Afair you had done trajectory analysis almost every solo game except on that one game where you were actually scum, which is why I thought it was a decent tell.
But since you're conf town now I was wrong.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:07 am

Not to mention that by Day 3 I had already forgotten almost all posts from the previous days, hence why i felt disconnected with the game.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:58 am

In post 5570, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I don't this is true. Can you substantiate it.

If you refer to marketplace, Natirasha (The other head of the Harakiri hydra, and coincidentially the other head of geists) can tell you all about my apathetic feelings with that game in our hydra QT. If not then tell me what you're refering to.

In post 5570, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Also, when confronted by evidence that ffery doesn't do trajectory analysis always as town, you qualify that statement saying now that she does it in solo games. So, why were you scumreading her in thisgame where she isn't playing solo?

Back then the only other hydra of ffery i had played with was MTC, who always rolled scum for a long while, on AA I was scum and I already knew her alignment, and you could ask Cabd that I really thought one of the factors of ffery scum was that she didnt use trajectory analysis on that one newbie game when he asked me who i thought the scum was when i was NK'd.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:59 am

Oh yeah also

Vote: SSK

FoS: Bert

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:17 am

In post 5581, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Secondly, I buy that during the Newbie game, you genuinely believed that you caught ffery on a scumtell of not providing trajectory analysis. But AA hapenned after the Newbie game. Did this alter your perception and make you update your meta tells? If not, why not? If so, why the scumread here? I see that you pointed out that you were scum in AA. Why would this stop you from updating the meta-tells you have?

Because as I said, I made a mistake in thinking that's a tell, I was going entirely off that newbie game that i didnt bother to check anything else.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:19 am

In post 5581, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I was asking you to substantiate your statement that as far as you knew ffery had done trajectory analysis almost every solo game except on that one game where she was actually scum.

There was this one game where she said that it's how she scumhunts but she always got scumread for keeping it to herself, or something like that.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:44 am

wrt Bert, not only does his voting pattern this game look awkward but he's seen me AtE plenty of times before and he's always treated it like a super town tell, it's normally I who end up saying that I'd totally do it as scum and have to discredit it at least to a null tell due to me being unable to control my emotions regardless. In this game it seems i haven't had to do that since both Bert and ffery seem intent on trying to discredit, which makes me happy that people arent taking me as town for granted, but worries me because Bert never did that before, Cabd did it once as scum on We the purple and i dont recall if ffery did it or not but they are currently conftown, so it adds to my paranoia.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:11 am

In post 5586, Bert wrote:Well, Sakura, you went AtE in AA and flipped scum.

And what do you think of F16's analisis of my AtE here and there?

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:54 am

I personally think he's trolling because he's obvscum and wants to avoid any possible interaction analysis from when he's lynched.

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:28 am

In post 5630, pieguyn wrote:first off I think what he meant by this was that we would be expecting SSK to be roleblocked if he really was town doc. so idk if this actually means anything in terms of alignment

If he was town doc he'd be scumhunting right now instead of trolling.

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:23 am

And suddenly after i call him out on that...

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:52 am

In post 5639, MafiaSSK wrote:Two. There's no scumhunting there. I'm just dropping the whole cheese schtick.

Good to know that you have no intention of scumhunting then.

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:15 am

And what about the people scumreading you Bert?

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:41 am

I'm just gonna move this discussion into the "never happened" side of my mind and continue suspecting Bert like I was.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:10 am

So these are Bert's current stances:

In post 5657, Bert wrote:SAD I'm pretty sure is scum! Cephrir too! Also don't like Pie still! That's it!

So I decided to go and look at his yesterday erratic voting pattern:

In post 4963, Bert wrote:
Vote: Ser Arthur Dayne

In post 5001, Bert wrote:Nachos to disingenuous in the past few pages

Vote: Casso

Kaboom. Lollapalooza

In post 5135, Bert wrote:
Vote: Desperado

Nacho's probably right about Desperado if Nacho's town.

Big IF though. Oh well.

^
This vote has got me thinking he was scumreading Casso, yet he votes Casso's scumread? Specially since it was a really big "IF" as he pointed it.

In post 5171, Bert wrote:Desp is being pretty convincing compared to Casso today. Dang this game.

Vote: Casso

Hoppity Hop

teehee

In post 5266, Bert wrote:awwwwwwwwwww

Vote: Casso

I wanna see a happy GM

or I'll be disappoint

bummed outta my mind

Goes back to Casso because he wants to see a happy GM?

In post 5328, Bert wrote:
Vote: Cephrir

In post 5337, Bert wrote:
In post 5310, pieguyn wrote:
vote: Desp

\o/
Yeah, I was already voting Desp and don't believe in fake hammers.

See my fake hammer:

Vote: Desperado

Guys, Desp just got totally hammered guys. Watch out. Sakura, this is like such a buss.

Get ready guys, this hammer is fake. Let's all fake hammer Desp for lulz.

^
I don't see why taunt me like that if he didn't know Desp was going to flip town?

And today we have:

In post 5434, Bert wrote:Be back later. I suggest leaving SSK alive as he doesn't need to be lynched until it's actually MYLO/LYLO. Wasting a lynch on him now is pretty pointless, we already know what he will flip. Try someone else that's suspicious so we have more info tomorrow.

Vote: Bert

Self-vote out of nowhere, and i don't know the purpose of it, i wouldn't be surprised if he did this as scum to appear town just by throwing the same kind of AtE I do, but idk =/

In post 5492, Bert wrote:
Vote: SSK

Not happy to be doing this, but giving in, as this lynch is pointless until MYLO/LYLO. More stories please....

We have plenty of time in the day, you're not happy with it, why not vote one of your scumreads then?

I gotta admit I don't have much experience with these kind of analysis, but it's making me doubt that Bert is town...

Bert you're currently voting no one, why aren't you voting any of:

In post 5657, Bert wrote:SAD I'm pretty sure is scum! Cephrir too! Also don't like Pie still! That's it!

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:11 am

In post 5707, Bert wrote:
In post 5703, Sakura Hana wrote:Self-vote out of nowhere, and i don't know the purpose of it, i wouldn't be surprised if he did this as scum to appear town just by throwing the same kind of AtE I do, but idk =/
I have experience to fall back on from being on this site so long, so no this AtE is not alignment indicative!!! You should disregard it or just judge it as being genuine/fake and go from there! Do you understand!

I had already regarded it as fake at first glance so i'll just keep thinking that then.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:30 am

In post 5706, Bert wrote:Your argument on me is good, except I'm Bert! I'm impressed though!

This part of you being Bert is what's bothering me the most, if it was this null I who have played multiple games with you wouldn't be making a fuss over it, don't you think? But since you're going into the self-meta then i'll bring some meta as well then.
Killing at the Frat Prob. the only game i've seen you as scum, your vote went everywhere during the whole game + general trolling.
Newbie 1436 Day 1: Your vote stayed on Cabd almost all day. Not trolling, instead you asked me why i thought Cabd was town, etc, etc, you were on GM for the other part and at the end voted TSO because deadline lynch. Day 2, your vote stays on Kaze for the majority of the day, switching to notscience at some point. Won't bring D3 since that's unfair considering it was LyLo and you were being voted by scum.

All in all tho, you do more trolling and more waffling without staying put on someone like on N1436 during my one experience with scum you.

The one doubt i have atm is you mentioning that this is your first time on a large and that you're having trouble keeping up.

This is all based on personal experience, feel free to bring other scumgames from you that prove otherwise.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:55 am

In post 5713, MC Maraca wrote:I'm around.

PSA: If anyone would like to flip out and get paranoid on my mason status now, given the events of mini 1531, speak now or forever hold your peace.

*Raises Hand*

What's mini 1531? Link? Or at least a brief summary?

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:01 am

In post 5715, MC Maraca wrote:I won by getting a mason to fakeclaim masons with me, nightkilled her before she could reveal the trick, and dominated. It's in coney island.

This is different because the actual mason claimed masons with you, whereas here you're the one claiming to be masons with goodmorning, and that would be ballsy coz you'd need to know beforehand that she's a mason to pull it off, so no this doesn't affect my townread of you at all.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:06 am

In post 5717, Generic wrote:Given it's not that similar, I have to question why you would volunteer this information.

Then why do you think they would?

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:36 am

Oh also I forgot to ask:

In post 5706, Bert wrote:I am not voting anyone else because SSK is going to get lynched today and nothing I say or do will change that!

Do you think SSK is town?

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:43 am

In post 5721, Bert wrote:No, I think SSK is probably scum! If he's town, he's trolling town, but I think he's scum since he claimed to protect Bro last night which is BS! So he's scum!

Then why do you have an issue with SSK getting lynched today?

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:06 pm

In post 5741, Generic wrote:But it's coincided with mr cheese suddenly stopping his trolling and you now seem to be weirdly inserting yourself into everything and being a lower level pain in the ass. And that is worrying.

Does the fact that scum may have daychat as Cabd pointed out in D1 (or was it D2?) strengthen or weaken this?

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:15 pm

In post 5746, Bert wrote:Every post that Nero had mostly seemed to be "Is Bert dead yet' since Day 1

That's just Nero being Nero, he wanted me dead for the majority of FEA. All the time "Hana's scum" "We should lynch Hana"
ftr Nero calls me Hana btw.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:14 pm

The heck just happened?

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:58 am

I kind of want SSK lynched ASAP but it's true that geists it's most likely going to die tonight, so we want as much input from them before day end.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:14 am

In post 5910, KoreanBBQ wrote:@Everyone, who are the 3 most likely scum in this group?

Casso the King of Seals

pieguyn

BROseidon
Norlkaz

Ser Arthur Dayne

zMuffinMan

Titus

There, I gave you 3 levels of strength in reads.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:24 am

In post 5918, geists wrote:How do you feel about Norlkaz?

Very slight lean scum, because i feel kinda meh about him. And by that I mean that I want to remember any significant he's done this game and i come up blank.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:31 am

Thor's even more townier than before.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:49 pm

You're scum until you prove otherwise to me, because I don't see the pieguy that scumhunts and finds scum that I know. SAD's town because i feel his posts are actual intent on finding scum and moving the town to get the best out of their lynches.

Sakura Hana · Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:44 am

Indeed, I just went through muffin's ISO to confirm, it's as easy as ISOing him and Ctrl+F geists to know he's been townreading you.

Sakura Hana · Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:51 am

In post 5993, Titus wrote:but it does take me awhile to get my feet wet when
I don't have a QT that summarizes.

Not sure if fake or towntell...

Sakura Hana · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:03 am

In post 5995, Titus wrote:It says
I'm not a scum
, mason, neighborizer or anything else that would have a QT to summarize.

That's exactly why i thought it could be a towntell, since as scum you would have a QT.

Sakura Hana · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:06 am

In post 5999, pieguyn wrote:hey sakura talk to me about Bert

Bert's this guy that likes to follow gut reads a lot.

you 2 would probably get along! *runs*

Sakura Hana · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:07 am

In post 6000, Titus wrote:Scum without daytalk, and poor night summary is very possible even with a replace in fumbling.

But masons have daytalk and Cabd informed us of this because it makes it very very likely scum has daytalk too.

Sakura Hana · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:08 am

And with that i think titus just jumped from scum to very town for me.

Sakura Hana · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:27 am

In post 6004, Titus wrote:Who is your biggest townread? Why?
Who is your biggest scumread? Why?
What do you think of Casso? Why? If Casso is your biggest town or scum read, give me your next best town or scum read.

1. Mara, because Mason, if that was a given then geists because gunsmith clear... wait that's a given too, then Cas- oh wait in #3 you already mentioned them, then I guess it all comes down to SAD, which i already explained to pieguyn

2. MafiaSSK, reasons obvious, but if that was a given then pieguyn, I also explained that one already.

3. Already explained to pieguyn.

Sakura Hana · Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:30 am

Also since you want to sort me out apparently the majority of the playerlist gave me a townread based on my reactions to a deadline flashwagon on me during Day 1, you might wanna look into that.

Sakura Hana · Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:00 pm

Normally i'd see Bert interact with people more, but here he just kept wagon hoping and not much interaction and what came worse is that his reason for denying my case was "But i'm Bert"

Sakura Hana · Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:07 am

Hi GiF
@GM: Did Titus' post that i thought was a towntell sound fake to you? if so why?

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:00 am

Do you think he would have said "I have permission to kill Hana" instead of just keeping quiet and shooting me during the Night?
Titus i suggest you go back to FEA and ISO Nero.

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:29 am

In post 6259, Titus wrote:Really, at L minus 1, Sakurahas every incentive she needs to talk to claim.

You mean L-2 right?

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:25 am

In post 6298, Titus wrote:I am going to reverify but pretty sure Casso unvoted when you where at L minus 1.

I was indeed 1 vote away from lynch, but I mean, i could've unvoted and be at L-2 just as easily, why do you think i didnt, do that and refused to claim?

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:33 am

In post 6302, Titus wrote:I lynch on the spot for that.

Exactly!

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:37 am

In post 6304, Titus wrote:
In post 6303, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 6302, Titus wrote:I lynch on the spot for that.
Exactly!
So my big question is why the fuck did that wagon dissolve? Voila.. More vidence you are scum.

I think you missed the point.

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:19 pm

In post 6309, Titus wrote:
In post 6305, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 6304, Titus wrote:
In post 6303, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 6302, Titus wrote:I lynch on the spot for that.
Exactly!
So my big question is why the fuck did that wagon dissolve? Voila.. More vidence you are scum.
I think you missed the point.
Walk me through it. Slowly.

How slowly?

You're missing the part where i didn't unvote myself.
You seem to also have been missing the part where I offered myself for lynch yesterday in Casso's stead.
You seem to also be missing the part that this isn't the first time I've ever refused to claim.
You also seem to be missing the part where Casso mentions this is as strong as my blacklist-tell.

There are a lot of things you don't seem to have addressed instead you jumped into what seems to be the most obvious and safe thing for you to jump on.

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:20 pm

In post 6112, MafiaSSK wrote:Hi guys. I'm back. Catching up time!

In post 6314, MafiaSSK wrote:PROD DODGE.

Yeah don't worry it seems to be a burden for you to post when you're conf scum you'll be free from it soon.

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:43 pm

In post 6325, Empire wrote:
RadiantCowbells replaces BROseidon.

@Mod: Yet apparently BROseidon is still on the votecount

~Fixed. (Empire)

Hi RC, SSK is claimed scum, geists is innocent from a dead gunsmith scan and Mara and gm (and idk who else) are masons, as far as I remember.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:36 am

In post 6381, Titus wrote:but I want that behavior eliminated as it is very detrimental. People need to claim.

Things like this make it pretty easy for scum to rolefish.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:24 am

Since they are so exposed, assume me and Casso are town, who's scum then.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:47 am

In post 6389, Generic wrote:If I could intervene for a moment, Proph is starting to join the front runners for scum. He despises drawing scum and tends to post very little due to a lack of motivation and concerns his dislike of being scum will stand out in his play.

Already being prodded is strike one right now.

That's not surprising I was scumreading Bert anyway.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:51 am

In post 6390, Titus wrote:SH, who the hell is they?

The scum. You said it yourself, driving wagons to L-1 on town will leave scum exposed so assume Casso and I are town, who's scum?

P.Ed: My take on that is buddying, and speaking of Bert, perhaps you should check what happened during the last few pages of Day 2 with regards to voting, or ISO me and look for my case on Bert and his awful response to it.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:53 am

In post 6392, Titus wrote:Bert was perfectly willing to sheep the three dead townies when they were voting SC but not when they were voting you.

Bert put me at L-1 and asked me to claim btw.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:00 am

In post 6396, Titus wrote:After Mastin's wagon fell apart, and you two were skipped

You mean SSK right?

Anyway, if we were really scum that wagon would have gone through more easily instead of getting dismantled, well at least that stands true for me but im strongly townreading Casso so yeah.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:02 am

Aditionally, if you think SSK and I are partners, i suggest you read Ace Attorney Mafia, we were both scumbuddies there. He started an unwarranted bus on me to which i replied in the same way. I couldn't escape the lynch at all on D2 despite me yelling and stuff.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:14 am

In post 6399, Titus wrote:If Sakura was town, they would have echoed my reasonings for lynching Sakura and have been done with her as a mislynch.

Unless they got scared away by my refusal to claim while not unvoting myself.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:16 am

Tell me at such a point scum has all the incentive in the world to hammer and get away with it, what do you think i was doing?

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:24 am

In post 6402, Titus wrote:If I was in the game at that point, you'd be dead.

And so would be you, that's my point.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:28 am

In post 6404, Titus wrote:And we'd have a dead scum in you.

You really want me to claim dont you...

In post 6404, Titus wrote:SH, if you really are claiming that scum drove up your wagon to draw a claim, who is the scum?

Bert for instance.
Others say SAD is scum but i dont think he is.
I thought Desp was scum but he flipped town so I was wrong.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:33 am

In post 6406, Titus wrote:we're on day fucking 2.

you mean 3 right?

If everyone that suspects me winds up dead, that's not my problem.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:42 am

In post 6409, Titus wrote:Scum didn't drive up your wagon. Town did.

If that's the case then the major press onto me was Casso iirc, who was the same person that dismantled it.
Also, if you want to get me lynched I welcome it, but I want you to be the one hammering.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:47 am

What do you think about what happened on D2 where I asked to be lynched in place of Casso and said my townread on them is that strong then?

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:48 am

In post 6411, Titus wrote:However, you can't argue scum drove up your wagon SH and then proceed to clear everyone on it. It's a joke and a laughing stock.

I thought you were the one that said that scum drove wagons on Town to L-1? that's the premise i was working of...
Seems like scum can role fish fine with wagons then since you can't find them.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:53 am

In post 6382, Sakura Hana wrote:Things like this make it pretty easy for scum to rolefish.

In post 6383, Titus wrote:
Well if scum keep putting people to L-1
, wagon analysis should out them. So yeah, not changing that. If that leaves me prone to the occasional wagon rolefish, so be it.

These are the premises I was working off on when I asked this:

In post 6388, Sakura Hana wrote:Since they are so exposed, assume me and Casso are town, who's scum then.

To show you that they aren't exposed, you just proved my point, and also succeeded in putting words on my mouth, thank you very much.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:06 am

So your whole argument boils down to:
"I think you're scum and i'm always right"
Which is p.much the same argument you had on me during See nine minus minus tyvm.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:10 am

On other news now i think Titus is scum along with Bert and SSK.

P.Ed: As I said, I never said scum was driving up my wagon, that's you putting words in my mouth.
Indeed, but you were buddying a flipped scum hard.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:45 am

In post 6420, Titus wrote:You should be policy lynched tomorrow.

Alright, but you'll hammer then.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:49 am

Ok, so can we get back to lynching SSK?

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:38 am

Hey Gen, what's your take on Titus and what do you think of her theory that i'm busing SSK and Bert/Proph slot.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:48 am

In post 6459, Titus wrote:Casso (poor reaction to my posts)

What kind of reaction were you expecting then?

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:55 am

In post 6461, Titus wrote:The way SH uses it to "self-confirm" is scummy as hell.

Am i using it? I was pretty sure I was dead back then on D1. But I didn't and here I am.

PEd: I have my reasons for that, and I have hinted as much during my back and forth with Titus.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:09 am

Here let me help you out
I'm surprised pieguy never brought this up. Now please stop townreading me off a non-existant "towntell"

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:11 am

In post 6475, Sakura Hana wrote:Here let me help you out
I'm surprised pieguy never brought this up. Now please stop townreading me off a non-existant "towntell"

Nor GiF... hmm...

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:12 am

In post 6476, goodmorning wrote:(Casso Scum, Sakura Town is being discounted because it would have been a bit too easy for Casso to just lurk out a hammer in that case. Maybe someone would have come in to shout "LOOK AT HER TOWNING THERE" but I sort of doubt it.)

I agree, which is another reason im townreading Casso.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:17 am

In post 6476, goodmorning wrote:
In post 6471, Titus wrote:SH has overly hinted at her role. I will call her bluff when she gets in lynch range. Hopefully tomorrow. It's anti-town the way she is using her role though if I am right on her hints. Then again, it makes sense if she's scum.

GM, go on. What are you drawing from that?
Well, there are really only three options that would work:
Both Town - Exactly as Casso described it happening.
Both Scum - Casso contrives the wagon so Sakura can flail for towncred.
Casso Town, Sakura Scum - Same as "Both Town," except that Casso was wrong.

Now, as I think Casso is Scum, it's obvious which I think is the likeliest.

(Casso Scum, Sakura Town is being discounted because it would have been a bit too easy for Casso to just lurk out a hammer in that case. Maybe someone would have come in to shout "LOOK AT HER TOWNING THERE" but I sort of doubt it.)

Wait if i flip town will you stop going after Casso's head then?

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:21 am

In post 6482, Sakura Hana wrote:Wait if i flip town will you stop going after Casso's head then?

I still want this answered, considering my job is to get lynched and Casso's way more of an asset to town than me i'd be willing to trade that.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:40 am

In post 6492, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 6486, Sakura Hana wrote:considering my job is to get lynched
Nope. Your job is to stop being a fucking fatalist and push your scumreads.

But i'm a Jester on every single game!

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:52 am

In post 6500, Titus wrote:
In post 6486, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 6482, Sakura Hana wrote:Wait if i flip town will you stop going after Casso's head then?
I still want this answered, considering my job is to get lynched and Casso's way more of an asset to town than me i'd be willing to trade that.
Was this for GM or me?

It's actually for everyone scumreading Casso.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:56 am

So you think scum Casso would have driven Town me to L-1 and dismantled the wagon after my refusal to claim?

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:00 am

In post 6504, Titus wrote:I find it more indicative of scum and scum unlessby fluke a shit ton of town agreed to lynch you.

Well there were no scum at all on my Wagon D1 on FEA.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:07 am

In post 6506, Titus wrote:Rather than the melodrama, what about giving hard positions that are consistent with the fcts?

I already gave many stances
Casso, SAD, gm, geists, Mara are town.
You, SSK and Proph are scum.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:02 am

In post 6515, Titus wrote:3) Shots matter because who the scum shoot suggests who they are threatened by. The fact that the people suggesting SH is scum are all dead (Tammy, Desp, DOMO) should not be ignored. Scum generally don't shoot people townreading them.

And where will the shots point at when i flip town? framing job?

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:04 am

Also the DOMO shot was kinda obvious... he was a claimed gunsmith for god's sake.
Desp wasn't a shot, he was a lynch.
And Tammy... well Desp explained it already.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:09 am

I never felt threatened by Tammy? I didn't know she was scumreading me...
Desp lynch was obvious lynch, he said he was scumreading me yet refused to push me because "the lynch would never go through".

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:12 am

As for your "Tammy was a threat" point i'll just reply with a Desp quote.

In post 4968, Desperado wrote:this is pretty stupid, considering 75% of the player list would benefit from her death if they had rolled scum

Would you believe the words of a dead townie over mine then?

PEd. Exactly i had no clue.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:14 am

I thought the one leading the votes there was Casso tho?

Also:

In post 4968, Desperado wrote:in other words, tammy's death is null because no matter who ended up getting a scum role pm, they would have incentive to kill tammy n1

Once again your NKA is null considering the targets were obvious.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:16 am

In post 6525, Titus wrote:You had the MOST to lose by keeping Tammy alive, but scum theoretically benefits if someone dies. You're the only one who really got suspicion disarmed by Tammy's death.

Like i care if i got suspicion disarmed or not, If you can't tell i'm still up for being lynched anytime if my town flip makes Casso conftown for the rest of the game. I'll even take that today if you want.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:17 am

Also i didnt even read half of Tammy's posts just like I didn't even read half of Tammy's posts in Stacking the Deck (hence i got easily outplayed by her being scum there), i just hate text walls...

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:19 am

You said you agreed with gm in that those 3 were the only possible 3 scenarios.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:23 am

Yeah but in your former post you said you agreed to what gm said, you said this after I asked you.
So my lynch will do nothing but kill you, im happy with that at least.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:26 am

In post 6533, Titus wrote:You're putting words in my mouth.

We are even then.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:28 am

Why would Casso be associated negatively if Tammy was the one pushing for my lynch?

PEd. Except i've already proved you putting words in my mouth.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:30 am

In post 6538, Titus wrote:A player looks more like scum if they push a mislynch through.

So why would have this affected Casso and not Tammy?

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:32 am

In post 6538, Titus wrote:A player looks more like scum if they push a mislynch through.

Oh also. I pushed Desp lynch remember?

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:35 am

Yeah this game is giving me more parallels to See Nine Minus Minus than See Nine Plus Plus, Titus is scum and needs to die.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:40 am

I thought we were talking about the mislynch going through? ýour misreps are as hilarious as the ones on C9-- tho

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:57 am

In post 6549, goodmorning wrote:
In post 6482, Sakura Hana wrote:Wait if i flip town will you stop going after Casso's head then?
Unless an alternate explanation or some sort of guilty were to surface, then I'd definitely find him an unlikely Scum candidate.

Not completely cleared, because one never knows, but definitely not a high priority.

As i said earlier, if that's the case i'd be completely willing to get lynched for the sake of making him more town.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:20 am

In post 6551, Generic wrote:SSK is the lynch, and he's at L-1 already it seems.

intent to hammer

Unvote

There's 1 more thing i want to say before the day ends, i'll write it when i'm not at work.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:33 pm

In post 6552, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 6551, Generic wrote:SSK is the lynch, and he's at L-1 already it seems.

intent to hammer

Unvote

There's 1 more thing i want to say before the day ends, i'll write it when i'm not at work.

So here's the thing, you guys are calling it fatalism, i'm calling it a sacrifice.

I simply cannot let this go on while im being called scum just because of Nacho, but that doesn't change the fact that Nacho is a very strong townread of me, the fact that you guys are scumreading him doesn't help work together. Nacho and Thor are way better scumhunters than me, that's for sure, but with a Town that keeps throwing arguments amongst themselves and doesn't cooperate it will be near impossible for anyone to even shine. You're letting scum drive the town into chaos and i'm pretty sure Nacho will be able to dispel that chaos, We are a team, town wins as a team, the fact that i die doesn't change the fact that I still win if town wins, and if all it takes for town to get their heads on and start working together is to eliminate the lynchbait (a.k.a me) then i'll do it, my sacrifice will be the guiding light that will ultimately eliminate the scum and win the game, which is why I was asking if all it took for you guys to work together with Nacho would be me flipping town, i'm really going to do it, otherwise we aren't progressing anywhere. Please take this in mind during this night phase, and when the day opens tomorrow i'll open up with a self-vote and you guys can go ahead and lynch me, at least... it will be for the better of town.

With love, Sakura

vote: ssk

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:36 pm

unvote

Alright.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:14 pm

In post 5636, MafiaSSK wrote:This is boring. I hate cheese. Cheese is dumb. That trolling was dumb.

In post 6573, MafiaSSK wrote:Yupp. I've been prodded, alright. Prodded like a cow. Because cows make cheese.

Ok, can you just please die already?... oh right waiting on geists

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:28 am

In post 6591, Norlkaz wrote:Can we proceed with the lynch?
It's very hard not to ignore things that are being posted right now.

Still waiting on the ffery/Nacho talk

PEd. Well nevermind then.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:29 am

So fferyasha I assume you're ok with the day ending now?

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:44 am

Vote: SSK

===[]

Sakura Hana · Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:01 pm

I promised this yesterday.

Vote: Sakura

And so I shall.

Sakura Hana · Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:13 pm

In post 6613, Casso the King of Seals wrote:
In post 6610, Sakura Hana wrote:I promised this yesterday.

Vote: Sakura

And so I shall.
You could also be double the useful and vote SAD.

I'd rather vote Titus or Proph

Sakura Hana · Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:13 pm

Or you could tell me why SAD is scum.

Sakura Hana · Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:31 pm

Oh Titus is trying to discredit the SAD wagon because Casso's pushing it? Now i'm more inclined to believe it's the right place to put a vote.
For now I think we should be thankful fferyasha (that almost sounded like Inuyasha lol) are still alive and we should prob. discuss more!

Sakura Hana · Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:05 pm

In post 6671, Casso the King of Seals wrote:There is no suggestion to quicklynch SAD in any of my posts.

Umm...

In post 6671, Casso the King of Seals wrote:I don't want to wait 11 days to lynch someone for absolutely no reason. Do you?

That's exactly what you're suggesting in this post.

Sakura Hana · Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:12 pm

In post 6701, Titus wrote:you really think Generic and I can be scumbuddies

Yes
Even tho the question wasn't asked to me.

Sakura Hana · Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:12 pm

Accidentally missed part of what I was quoting but you get the idea.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:17 am

Vote: Titus

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:18 am

In post 6778, zMuffinMan wrote:Prophylaxative

This made me lol btw.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:45 am

He seemed pretty certain Titus would flip scum and clear him.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:25 am

It woudln't, just saying he seemed pretty certain it would happen, otherwise he wouldn't have gone against Titus but against RC yesterday.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:15 am

In post 6785, zMuffinMan wrote:i don't think generic is that dumb - i'm pretty sure he knew it wouldn't clear him

it looked like he was trying to create last-minute WIFOM because he was pretty screwed, and titus's response to it looked townish

He also kept saying Proph was scum on the day prior to that.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:11 am

In post 6793, geists wrote:
In post 6792, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 6785, zMuffinMan wrote:i don't think generic is that dumb - i'm pretty sure he knew it wouldn't clear him

it looked like he was trying to create last-minute WIFOM because he was pretty screwed, and titus's response to it looked townish
He also kept saying Proph was scum on the day prior to that.
Why Titus over Proph, then?

Mostly due to D3 interactions.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:38 am

In post 6795, Titus wrote:Poor Sakie doesn't wanna bus.

In post 6795, Titus wrote:Move on Sakura and scumhunt.

So am I scum or scumhunting.
Either way, as I said before I wouldn't put it past Gen to bus like that so at least you stay alive.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:21 am

Hey Nero, this Titus wagon needs more pushing and you're not on it.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:45 am

Actually

Unvote
Vote: SAD

that L-1 vote was bad.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:48 am

I actually don't have one, i had them as town a couple game days ago, but that L-1 vote let Generic self hammer ending the discussion.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:34 pm

In post 6835, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Pie, couldn't you also interpret Generic's push on Proph as scum coaching other scum?

At that point scum still had daychat, why didnt he just tell him in the scum qt?

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:37 pm

In post 6838, goodmorning wrote:VCA is stupid

Titus is also pointing VCA at me and Casso!

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:50 pm

yeah like this

Daykill: Titus

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:08 pm

In post 6864, geists wrote:We are good with voting SAD or Titus today.

Ditto.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:07 am

Does anyone wanna do anything other than sit here and fiddle our thumbs the whole day phase?

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:52 am

I'm still leaning on Titus-scum, and also Proph-scum, and indeed SAD-scum as well. Hey that's prob. all of them!

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:53 am

I just realized those 3 are the current 2 vote wagons on the VC

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:19 am

In post 6880, Titus wrote:That being said, there is no logical way Generic and I are scum together. If Generic got his lynch through and I was scum it would bone his team. Respond to that or quit pushing me as scum

That looks a lot like the cross bus we did on Duck Duck Goose tbh.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:17 am

Check the link?

In post 6705, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 6701, Titus wrote:you really think Generic and I can be scumbuddies
Yes
Even tho the question wasn't asked to me.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:11 pm

Nice to see someone see things in an unbiassed way.

Sakura Hana · Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:02 am

In post 6899, Prophylaxis wrote:And then there's me wondering why you have me as a scumread, yet you're not voting me.

My read on you isn't as strong as Titus, also I already had a scumread on Bert and my case is somewhere in D3.

Sakura Hana · Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:51 am

then let's go with SAD.

Sakura Hana · Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:41 am

In post 6921, Titus wrote:One of Prophy/Sakura is almost certainly scum.

So we aren't scum together anymore? where did you pick up this chance that maybe is only one of us scum.
And i'm policy scumreading you because im not falling for your "I'm using moonlogic hence im town" trap again that you pulled on me on C9--
Also notice my vote is on SAD.

Sakura Hana · Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:05 am

In post 6928, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:I have a townread on you, so I'm really not interested in arguing with you.

But wouldn't you want to us that you're town?

Sakura Hana · Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:14 am

=/ OK i guess, you do have a point there

Unvote
Vote: Titus

Sakura Hana · Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:16 am

Oh yeah i remember i was voting you on the basis for putting Gen at L-1 allowing him to self hammer and cut the discussion short.

Sakura Hana · Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:17 am

In post 6829, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:You're quite terrible at this.

Was your responsoe to it, do you have something different now?

Sakura Hana · Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:24 am

Hmm...

Sakura Hana · Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:40 am

Why are you getting agitated?

Sakura Hana · Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:47 am

In post 6969, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Because there's a history of people mindlessly sheeping nacho/thor and I pretty much foresee it happening here again.

Idk up until Day 3 people seemed to want them dead.

Sakura Hana · Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:48 am

However I did request for town to work together, and you dont seem to be in the mindset for that anyhow. So I wouldn't mourn your death too much.

Sakura Hana · Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:25 pm

In post 6984, Titus wrote:Goddamit.

We are lynching me or Prophy today. Period.

Nope

Unvote
Vote: SAD

Dat post is making me think all 3 are scumbuddies.

Sakura Hana · Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:18 pm

In post 6989, Ms Marangal wrote:COME ON SAKURA

Come on where.

Sakura Hana · Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:30 pm

Unvote
Vote: Titus

What do you think about SAD tho?

Sakura Hana · Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:00 pm

That list is fine by me then.

Sakura Hana · Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:35 pm

In post 7007, Prophylaxis wrote:Can you show me some examples on this site? I don't think it's different here.

I think i'm the prime example of that.
Somewhere along the way on my first few games, I was used to being obvtown most of the time, then one game suddenly grew up on me lead by Wisdom just calling me scum for no reason which led me to a self-hammer, and there was when my paranoia and AtE began, this reflected pretty badly on my reputation, and I was frankly getting tired of it... then FEA came along and I just went "fuck it" and was going to quit mafia... enough that I replaced out of all games except that one and out'd of all the queues i was in, tho my friends convinced me to stay, then the whole thing with me replacing out when I was fed up with stuff came up, and mostly it was because i couldnt think rationally on the game anymore, which coincidentially happened on all my town games so I got banned for it as a trust tell.
Nowadays I'm trying to improve on that fact (again) and hope that this time I succeed on that, because plenty of people have told me I have great potential in here and I wouldn't really like that to go to waste. But if you wanna see the biggest chance of 5 ppl piling up on Town then you can pretty much look at my meta.
I think I even point out every game I've been mislynched in, but FEA is another place to look at where iirc I got wagoned by town and scum was defending me (lolz), In either case i'm not blind to my mistakes, and I always hated when people would make me like Innocent Child when my AtE would break out or stuff like that. In fact I think i started replacing out because I didnt want to "ruin games" anymore with my AtE which probably only made it worse.
In either case I'm trying to improve in that regard, when I got wagoned here it was prob. when I was still thinking of quitting for the second time, and people took it as it being related to this game, when it was just something that was helping me strengthen a decission I had made before.
Whichever the case tho, Nacho as scum should know better than to wagon me into AtE, because he would have to back off and treat me like an Innocent Child or otherwise it would be extremely fishy for him to continue pushing otherwise, which is why im pretty confident Casso is town this game.

You are free to take this with a grain of salt, but I'm probably more experienced in the town wagon on town regard due to having it experienced it myself.

Sakura Hana · Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:19 pm

This is FEA: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=31053
The game that started it all: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=29666
The "blacklis tell": http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=30057
The game i dont even wanna remember: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=30234

I think those are the most important ones.

Sakura Hana 7 (chesskid3, Ellibereth, T S O, GoodCop_BadCop, ActionDan, Nero Cain, Natirasha)

^ My main wagon on FEA all of the voters in there are town.
The people defending me were Saki (SK), notscience (Scum) Maki (Town), talah (Town) iirc

Sakura Hana · Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:26 pm

Scum was: notscience, Doomed Hyrule (Mac+GiF), Baltimorons (Oriole+Amrun), Maestro/Shadi, penguin_alien.
SK was: Saki

Sakura Hana · Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:27 pm

In post 7012, geists wrote:I defended you too.

Sorry I forgot, tho notscience and Saki and to some lesser extent Maki were the most vocal ones on it.

Sakura Hana · Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:31 pm

In post 7018, geists wrote:I think GCBC wound up defending you as wel

Nah he fence sitted until my wagon vanished.

Sakura Hana · Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:08 am

Why does it have to be me and Casso on opposite teams?

Sakura Hana · Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:45 am

In post 7071, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:For anyone who thinks Titus is scum - currently I'm choosing to believe that Generic knew he was obviously going to get lynched. No scum who didn't know he would get lynched would counter-claim jailkeeper. Ever. Thus it would make much more sense to instill the "oh he was pushing Titus that must mean he knew Titus would flip scum" after he was lynched.

If you're reading an extra WIFOM level above or below this then you're either reading too much or too little into it.

You obviously dont know much about Generic then.

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:24 am

In post 7125, zMuffinMan wrote:when did anyone do anything to prove nacho's innocence?

In post 7008, Sakura Hana wrote:Whichever the case tho, Nacho as scum should know better than to wagon me into AtE, because he would have to back off and treat me like an Innocent Child or otherwise it would be extremely fishy for him to continue pushing otherwise, which is why im pretty confident Casso is town this game.

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:34 am

So because, people would think he would be town by doing it, he has all reason to do it as scum? Isn't that the point of being scum? Or are you suggesting that you need to have an IC or Cop Inno to be trusted?

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:46 am

Why do you think that he would really do that as scum?

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:49 am

In post 7133, zMuffinMan wrote:are you asking me why scum would buddy town? or what are you asking here?

He could have just avoided driving a wagon onto me. And the flow of the events doesnt make me think it was scum motivated which was probably part of the frustration.

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:54 am

In post 7135, zMuffinMan wrote:what flow of events?

At the time i was wagoned during D1.

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:02 am

In post 7137, zMuffinMan wrote::/ i mean what specifically are you referring to? what specifically is the flow of events that makes you think it wasn't scum motivated? just him forming a wagon on you then disbanding it after you ate or was there something else to this?

Idk, i just dont feel like it's something scum would have pulled like that, the way Nacho acted there seemed entirely different to Marketplace (where I thought he was scum since like day 3)

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:56 am

In post 7139, zMuffinMan wrote:where's your read on titus come from again?

Biased VCA

In post 7139, zMuffinMan wrote:and what's your read on proph?

null-Scum, I was scumreading Bert, and at the start of proph replacing in he didn't give me many town vibes with all the lurking, but he's improved today.

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:08 pm

Is this wrt to the flowchart?

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:11 pm

Unvote
Vote: SAD

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:12 pm

You seem quite worried with just 3 votes on you.

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:17 pm

In post 7160, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:The irony is quite hilarious, seeing as you're the one mindlessly sheeping.

I'd happily mindlessly sheep Nacho or Thor (or Majiffy) any day.

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:22 pm

In post 7165, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:I just lost every respect I had for you (granted it was little since I didn't know you before this game but etc).

Not sorry to dissapoint you.

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:47 pm

I could have sworn i had posted something lol

Sakura Hana · Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:33 pm

In post 7296, Yukari Yakumo wrote:inb4 they've been doing the neighbor->mason gambit

Funnily enough i was thinking about the same thing. But i'm townreading them both so w/e anyway.

Sakura Hana · Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:45 pm

Oh almost forgot i was here

@Mod: I'm going to be V/LA for a week at most, I'm moving and i'm not sure when i'll have internet on my new place tho i dont expect it to take long but just in case

Sakura Hana · Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:53 pm

Also while im V/LA proxy my vote to Casso if that's allowed

Sakura Hana · Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:44 pm

Also another titus scum game finished for you meta people: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=31652 I'd specially advocate reading the Scum QT.

Sakura Hana · Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:57 pm

But it was allowed on FEA