I was indeed 1 vote away from lynch, but I mean, i could've unvoted and be at L-2 just as easily, why do you think i didnt, do that and refused to claim?In post 6298, Titus wrote:I am going to reverify but pretty sure Casso unvoted when you where at L minus 1.
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In post 3525, Empire wrote:
Yeah, Casso unvoted you at L minus 1.In post 3538, Casso the King of Seals wrote:Unvote
Sakura, come back, respond to case, talk to me.
There's no reason to shut down now just because you got deadline wagoned.
There have been cases put out against you; you didn't respond to most of them.
I will be back later but I have no ideas outside of eternal compromise lynch of SSK.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Yeah you're totally asking questions designed to discredit. The refusal to claim is scumfucks/vengeful/spirit. I lynch on the spot for that. Period, especially with looming deadline.In post 6300, Sakura Hana wrote:
I was indeed 1 vote away from lynch, but I mean, i could've unvoted and be at L-2 just as easily, why do you think i didnt, do that and refused to claim?In post 6298, Titus wrote:I am going to reverify but pretty sure Casso unvoted when you where at L minus 1.
@Pie, tentative town, bc so many scumreads. That's gun to my head had to pick. If no gun, I would say null.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Exactly!In post 6302, Titus wrote:I lynch on the spot for that.I bloom in spring?
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So my big question is why the fuck did that wagon dissolve? Voila.. More vidence you are scum.
ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I think you missed the point.In post 6304, Titus wrote:So my big question is why the fuck did that wagon dissolve? Voila.. More vidence you are scum.
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Those are my thoughts as well.In post 6299, pieguyn wrote:@ffery:thoughts on that? ^ it's p fking obvious that "permission to kill" was permission from his hydra partner and not to actually kill Sakura. so I'm inclined to agree the way she's sticking to it seems forced
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Walk me through it. Slowly.In post 6305, Sakura Hana wrote:
I think you missed the point.In post 6304, Titus wrote:So my big question is why the fuck did that wagon dissolve? Voila.. More vidence you are scum.
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Oh look. Not looking deeper into context yet again.In post 6304, Titus wrote:So my big question is why the fuck did that wagon dissolve? Voila.. More vidence you are scum.
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Associatives are decent but shouldn't be used heavily unless he alignment of one of the parties is known.In post 6307, pieguyn wrote:what do you think of the associatives between SAD and zmuffin? or do you think that should wait till SAD flips
That being said, what associatives?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I am not ignoring, whatever context SH wishes to elaborate on. Frankly, refusal to claim is one of the clearest brightline things there is.In post 6310, KoreanBBQ wrote:
Oh look. Not looking deeper into context yet again.In post 6304, Titus wrote:So my big question is why the fuck did that wagon dissolve? Voila.. More vidence you are scum.
I'm not surprised.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Walking Dead called. Something about Sangres and refusal to claim.In post 6312, Titus wrote:
I am not ignoring, whatever context SH wishes to elaborate on. Frankly, refusal to claim is one of the clearest brightline things there is.In post 6310, KoreanBBQ wrote:
Oh look. Not looking deeper into context yet again.In post 6304, Titus wrote:So my big question is why the fuck did that wagon dissolve? Voila.. More vidence you are scum.
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How slowly?In post 6309, Titus wrote:
Walk me through it. Slowly.In post 6305, Sakura Hana wrote:
I think you missed the point.In post 6304, Titus wrote:So my big question is why the fuck did that wagon dissolve? Voila.. More vidence you are scum.
You're missing the part where i didn't unvote myself.
You seem to also have been missing the part where I offered myself for lynch yesterday in Casso's stead.
You seem to also be missing the part that this isn't the first time I've ever refused to claim.
You also seem to be missing the part where Casso mentions this is as strong as my blacklist-tell.
There are a lot of things you don't seem to have addressed instead you jumped into what seems to be the most obvious and safe thing for you to jump on.I bloom in spring?
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Did you post them earlier? Link?In post 6307, pieguyn wrote:what do you think of the associatives between SAD and zmuffin? or do you think that should wait till SAD flips-
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In post 6112, MafiaSSK wrote:Hi guys. I'm back. Catching up time!
Yeah don't worry it seems to be a burden for you to post when you're conf scum you'll be free from it soon.In post 6314, MafiaSSK wrote:PROD DODGE.I bloom in spring?
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6205In post 6317, geists wrote:
Did you post them earlier? Link?In post 6307, pieguyn wrote:what do you think of the associatives between SAD and zmuffin? or do you think that should wait till SAD flips
there was also F-16's point right after where he defaulted to questioning Tammy's stance on SAD, despite Tammy having experience with him-
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SH, I don't give a shit for safe. I don't really care you didn't beat Thor to unvoting yourself as it wouldn't have worked with your AtE anyway. I don't really care for meta and I love fucking with towntells as scum. I did that myself in the fire game. Votes mean more than words to me. Besides, you said it's obvious to think you are scum with that vca. Occam's Razor, you are scum.
BBQ, why do you keep pushing me as scum without evidence, I at least said mine.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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The notable thing about Llamarble's Espeonage defense was that it was based on the wagon composition more than his actual read. HeIn post 6294, morph the cat wrote:
That was my first game with llamarble and I had no idea how to read him. His reads were more accurate than mine for the most part, but during that game on day 1 and 2 I didn't know what to make of him. He had reads but he wasn't pushing them very hard, and the one hard stance he took (espeonage-town) I really disagreed with after I read through the game projectmatt linked and the case he made for espe-scum. So, I'm in a similar situation - not really understanding the basis for some of his reads, and therefore not trusting them. And his playstyle is different but I don't know if that's playing to his alt-meta. He has a harder edge in this game than he did in Red Wine.In post 6237, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:And what are your thoughts regarding the differences in Llamarble's behavior here compared with Red Wine? I'd ask about Cephrir but I am assuming we are in agreement there. It wasn't actually hard to read either player as town/scum, especially Llamarble although Cephrir was probably the trickier one.
Ceph's play here did not really fit his town meta as I've recently seen it (Dixon Hill, Cash Cabd, NY167), but it's hard to see the fatalistic stuff as fitting his scum-meta. There was one point where I finally flashed onto oh-hell-this-is-scum-Ceph on day 1 of the Red Wine game, and his reaction to my sudden vote didn't have a "you're wrong because I'm town" feel to it, which I did occasionally see flashes of in this game. This post is a good starting point for that exchange.immediatelycaught on Empire/Tammy scumteam and spent a significant amount of time calling them scum. Then they bussed the hell out of Espeonage leading Llamarble to defend him on the basis that the wagon reeked of scum.
In post 532, mykonian wrote:votecount
espeonage (4): empire, tammy, projectmatt, bbmolla
fferyllt (4): cabd, cephrir, espeonage, crashtextdummie
Albert B. Rampage (2): katsuki, Llamarble
bbmolla (1): Albert B. Rampage
pjovek (1): chamber
chamber (1): pjovek
katsuki (1): TSO
Not voting (1): fferyllt
With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
although later in post 572, he sort of conf-biases himself into defending Espeonage on his own merits.In post 544, Llamarble wrote:I think we've reached the point where Espeonage's wagon confirms him as town?
Certainly it's a wretched hive of scum and other scum.
The "basis" for his reads was that he believed scum was pushing Espeonage. They were. I think the reason you didn't understand it was that you weren't scumreading Empire + Tammy and using that as the basis for townreading other players. When I was watching it unfold in real time, I was scumreading Empire so I was able to follow his thought process very easily and closely.
This at least makes sense with the way he created "a scumteam based on Pieguy" here because he tends to create an entire vision of who the scum are based on scumreads that he feels incredibly confident about. In Red Wine, it was Tammy and Empire. Here it was Pieguy (although that read seems to have changed). Obviously, the reason I couldn't follow anything he said here was that I am townreading Pieguy really hard so his entire scumteam possibility didn't make sense.
That actually makes me think Norl could be town.
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Hard edge is probably purely a persona thing. It was things like pushing us to take more of a leadership role when we were embroiled in a ton of disagreements about reads with some of the people we were townreading.In post 6321, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
The notable thing about Llamarble's Espeonage defense was that it was based on the wagon composition more than his actual read. HeIn post 6294, morph the cat wrote:
That was my first game with llamarble and I had no idea how to read him. His reads were more accurate than mine for the most part, but during that game on day 1 and 2 I didn't know what to make of him. He had reads but he wasn't pushing them very hard, and the one hard stance he took (espeonage-town) I really disagreed with after I read through the game projectmatt linked and the case he made for espe-scum. So, I'm in a similar situation - not really understanding the basis for some of his reads, and therefore not trusting them. And his playstyle is different but I don't know if that's playing to his alt-meta. He has a harder edge in this game than he did in Red Wine.In post 6237, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:And what are your thoughts regarding the differences in Llamarble's behavior here compared with Red Wine? I'd ask about Cephrir but I am assuming we are in agreement there. It wasn't actually hard to read either player as town/scum, especially Llamarble although Cephrir was probably the trickier one.
Ceph's play here did not really fit his town meta as I've recently seen it (Dixon Hill, Cash Cabd, NY167), but it's hard to see the fatalistic stuff as fitting his scum-meta. There was one point where I finally flashed onto oh-hell-this-is-scum-Ceph on day 1 of the Red Wine game, and his reaction to my sudden vote didn't have a "you're wrong because I'm town" feel to it, which I did occasionally see flashes of in this game. This post is a good starting point for that exchange.immediatelycaught on Empire/Tammy scumteam and spent a significant amount of time calling them scum. Then they bussed the hell out of Espeonage leading Llamarble to defend him on the basis that the wagon reeked of scum.
In post 532, mykonian wrote:votecount
espeonage (4): empire, tammy, projectmatt, bbmolla
fferyllt (4): cabd, cephrir, espeonage, crashtextdummie
Albert B. Rampage (2): katsuki, Llamarble
bbmolla (1): Albert B. Rampage
pjovek (1): chamber
chamber (1): pjovek
katsuki (1): TSO
Not voting (1): fferyllt
With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
although later in post 572, he sort of conf-biases himself into defending Espeonage on his own merits.In post 544, Llamarble wrote:I think we've reached the point where Espeonage's wagon confirms him as town?
Certainly it's a wretched hive of scum and other scum.
The "basis" for his reads was that he believed scum was pushing Espeonage. They were. I think the reason you didn't understand it was that you weren't scumreading Empire + Tammy and using that as the basis for townreading other players. When I was watching it unfold in real time, I was scumreading Empire so I was able to follow his thought process very easily and closely.
This at least makes sense with the way he created "a scumteam based on Pieguy" here because he tends to create an entire vision of who the scum are based on scumreads that he feels incredibly confident about. In Red Wine, it was Tammy and Empire. Here it was Pieguy (although that read seems to have changed). Obviously, the reason I couldn't follow anything he said here was that I am townreading Pieguy really hard so his entire scumteam possibility didn't make sense.
That actually makes me think Norl could be town.
What do you mean by "hard edge?" Can you point out the posts which you felt had a "hard edge?"
Ok, that makes sense re creating a scum team based on strongest scum reads. I sometimes flash on team/not-team combos, but I tend to think in terms of individual read strengths rather than team-hunt prior to flips.
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Hey, I managed to withdraw my Espeonage lynch veto before we got to the end of D1In post 6295, geists wrote: That was my first game with llamarble and I had no idea how to read him. His reads were more accurate than mine for the most part, but during that game on day 1 and 2 I didn't know what to make of him. He had reads but he wasn't pushing them very hard, and the one hard stance he took (espeonage-town) I really disagreed with after I read through the game projectmatt linked and the case he made for espe-scum. So, I'm in a similar situation - not really understanding the basis for some of his reads, and therefore not trusting them. And his playstyle is different but I don't know if that's playing to his alt-meta. He has a harder edge in this game than he did in Red Wine.
F16 is right that there was a decent 'scum are voting him' component.
Today, we're lynching SSK. I've checked a couple times, including just now, and don't disagree with this. I think I got it wrong previously and it will result in a scumflip.
It often takes me a long time to explain myself, and sometimes I just end up backtracking anyway (see original SSK townreasons that had some significant holes).
Generally you will see explanations from me when I have either something particularly interesting or something relatively simple to explain or need to do it to be persuasive.
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