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Let's see, maybe it's the fact that even in joke voting, you give a reason, no matter how bullcrappy. Most of his contributions have been "vote" "vote" "awwww" (when he got voted) "Nice one, vote". So, I actually agree with avote:Chubbs
(4th doesn't bring him close to lynch, does it?)"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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This still is a good predictor of how he'll play when we get serious. Most of the time, you still play with a bit more...care...than Chubbs has in the random voting stage, and it really doesn't look good. It feels scummy.
Wow, way to jump on Snix.
Pretty sure this is page 3, there's not much you can make in the way of contribution besides voting."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Protip, Chubbs. Wagons that start like this are imminently defendable. Giving up just makes us think you are attempting to use an AtE to save yourself by pretending to give up. Right now, I don't even think you are halfway to a lynch, and even if you are, giving up is NOT the answer. It just makes you look scummy, and if you ARE town, lynching you only hurts us."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Jou...I really hope that's a joke. DON'T FREAKING SET UP LYNCHES LIKE THAT! I mean, there is absolutely NO connection there between rofl and chubbs. If chubbs flips town, that says nothing except that rofl's judgement is bad. And you are right, he's at 5, and it appears to take 8 to lynch. It might not be a good idea to take him to L-2 in that case. Still...I like my vote where it is, but I want toFoS:Joubertfor what I already outlined."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I actually missed that, buuuut:
in other news, when chubbs cardflips mafia, we lynch eldritch lord for being his partner.
There's a difference. rofl is conditional on Chubbs flipping scum, and there is a weak connection between him and Eldritch (i.e, Eldritch is the only one defending Chubbs). Yours is like "rofl needs to die if Chubbs flips town" even though the only link is that rofl is pushing a Chubbs lynch, and several people are doing that. Chubbs being town would have no bearing on rofl's alignment. HOWEVER, I don't think rofl's course of action is correct, and would not support an Eldritch lynch based on just that. But, I also know that's rofl's style. I don't believe that's your style, but I can't be sure. Either way, rofl didn't do the same thing you did really.I would vote Chubbs, but at the express condition that if he flips "Town", we lynch Roflcopter without questionning..."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Ok, fine.unvote, vote Joubert
To be quite honest, I'm fine with lynching either of them. They've both seemed scummy. However...Chubbs is more likely to screw up and lead us to his scum buddies if he lives, whereas I give Joubert more credit than that. So, Joubert lynch if I have to, but I'm fine with the Chubbwagon. (I'll hammah it if I have to and Joubert wagon isn't gaining steam)"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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What is Joubert at anyway?Mod, can I has votecount?
Well, why not.
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Joubert (6): roflcopter, forbiddanlight, orangepenguin, mik5, Snix, Eldritch Lord
ChubbsMcLubbs (3): Alabaska J, Geddingsworth, somestrangeflea
roflcopter (1): Joubert
armlx (1): Scigatt
No Lynch (1): ChubbsMcLubbs
Not Voting (2): armlx, Sun Tzu-
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Ok, then why aren't you saying anything about roflcopter? He said the same thing. What's the difference?I just didn't see the scumminess that the wagon apparently saw, and didn't want to jump on that wagon. I think Joubert's vote x off today, and y tomorrow tactic seemed REALLY scummy- a lot moreso than Chubbs."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I wanted to see OP say that. You remember I was the one who pointed out the difference? I wanted to see if OP understood that or if he was just jumping on with half assed logic. I was hoping no one would ruin that, but alas, someone did. Tends to happen apparently. Also, dislike Jou's defense. It's too much "OMG, you misunderstoooooood me"and then OMGUS. no dice.roflcopter wrote:holy shit forbiddanlight, how many fucking times do i have to explain that i did not say the same thing as joubert. go read my fucking posts about it, it is explained in very simple terms.-
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Woah, woah, woah! What is the DEAL with this magical Chubbwagon here? I mean, we were wrong about Jou, shouldn't we be taking this time to, yanno, reexamine our logic? Also, would like to know why rofl and Snix were FoS'd?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Also, what happened to the fire kill? MAybe I misunderstood the set up, but I thought there were two kills per night? I guess it's not told if a kill is nullified?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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The only reason I was speculating was because I didn't know if a failed kill was revealed. I was hoping to get some information from intended targets. Clearly that's not going to happen, and thinking on it, it makes sense for balance. However, it is good to have only one scum inflicted kill since that buys us time. I don't like the fact that you and Alabaska just rushed right in with Chubbs votes without reexamining the case. Also, I want to know more about why Ala FoS'd those two, regardless of who they were."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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HAmmer is at 7 guys, not 6. I need more time to take a look at the man of the hour and other potential cases than I have tonight. Should have a good idea of whether I think Ged is scum or not tomorrow evening/late afternoon."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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We can only lynch one at a time. I personally would have to take a couple hours to do a reread to decide which I thought was scummier. I don't have a couple hours til potentially tomorrow. However, your pointing out of voting trends was a really good call. This is the classic case of voting trends possibly finding mafia. I'll probably weigh in time to time on what's going on today, but I'm going to attempt to reread in my usual manner (spend forever on a summary, take a half hour beyond forever to post thoughts on my perception of the games events) throughout tonight and tomorrow (though I'm going to be out for some of tonight). I will pay special attention to Snix and Eldritch though.Reply with quote
Chubbs, those two have been responsible for turning both wagons into quick lynches so far.
Also, Snix's "cautious" attitude was gone D2 until the Ged wagon happened."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I didn't bother doing the exhaustive reread in the end because it takes so long and I'm getting burned out doing analysis and rereads all the time. I took a look specifically at Snix and Eldritch, and actually feel that Eldritch was actually attempting to connect himself to Snix, possibly to set up a mislynch due to a flip. The thing is, I don't understand the motivation. Why be so obvious and set something like that up when there are more effective ways to cause mislynches without killing yourself? I myself feel Snix hasn't done anything overtly scummy, but nothing overtly pro town either. I do however think that if Eldrtich flips scum, Snix might be the wrong way to go. The connection just seems way too obvious. I could be over thinking it though. I'm a little uncomfortable with it, but I willvote Eldritch Lord. It's possible neither are scum...but somehow I don't see that being true, and trying to connect yourself to someone as a kamikaze is more scummy than Snix appears to me."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Can you tell us why Snix is scummier than EL, even though EL has done most of the blatant following?
This is funny given you quick hammered one of the people and were the L-1 vote on the other."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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armix, can you please answer my question? Or at least point out where you have already? Or do you not have any particular preference? I like a lot of your case, but I personally disagree with where you put your vote because EL has been the true actor of scumminess if we use this case."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Fair enough. I think I'll stick on EL.
I was looking at his swap from Chubbs to Ged D2 out of nowhere. I could lynch either of them though at this point, and the level of barning EL has admitted to today makes him look a lot worse then earlier."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Not really. I looked for myself, and notice I'm not voting with armix. I just said that he might have a point on snix, I just personally think that the case on you is better. Really, either of you can go because of this:
This is the kind of following Armlx's case against me is based on
armix once again is right. Only scum buddies can trust each other enough for that. I'm just more willing to give Snix the benefit of the doubt since you were the one transparently following Snix around all game.EL, I don't buy the fact you trusted those enough to lynch someone that fast."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Is that a problem? I think it's rather smart to reconsider things that might have occurred yesterday after the colossal failure concerning Joubert. I think that was a smart move given Chubbs' much better play (well, more substantial anyway). Course, it'd kinda suck if he were scum and we just gave him a bye :S.
Anyway. The D1 Chubbs-wagon was pretty lame and I don't know why there was still even the slightest hint of it D2. It pretty much just started from a string of overreactions. But most of those on that wagon are dead now, with the exception of forbiddanlight, whose suspicion of Chubbs, I noticed, completely evaporated D2, as she shifts from apparently having Chubbs as a second suspect to Joubert, followed by this as (I think) her first post D2:"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I don't plan to die. And on the offchance I do, I won't flip scum. But for once, I'd like to make it to the end. I tend to have a bad habit of being lynched. I do however agree with that view, and it gives you more pro town points in my book .
Eh, I just found it interesting is all. Maybe it means something, maybe it doesn't. Maybe I'll want to revisit it later, especially if you die and are scum."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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This game is really dying here. I think we need a prod on pretty much everyone who's not armix, snix, EL, orangepenguin (I think?), or Cephrir. Also, I'm ambivalent on meta arguments. In some cases they can prevent a (likely) mislynch like in one of my ongoings, but in other cases they confuse evidence and protect scum. I'm not sure what the aim is here right now."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Yeah, I noticed. Yay for dead games. It's just I didn't want to jump in with nothing to say :S. I already asked for a few prods :S.Okay, when I said in my one post that we needed to slow down, and take our time, I didn't mean stop posting. Sad Perhaps we need some prods? I admit, I haven't been posting either, but some haven't posted in almost a week (just a guess, I didn't actually go and check)"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Well, you've already proven you pay no attention to detail merely in your pronoun usage. Now second, can you actually back this accusation up? And is this the only evidence? Ya see, you have the whole jumping on quick bandwagons against you as well as the BLATENT following. I don't think you can quite liken the cases. If you can come up with better, I'll accept this. For now, you are deflecting.
I think forbiddanlight is the scummiest so far in my mind because for all his claims otherwise, I'm getting kind of a follower impression from him (takes one to know one, amirite?) despite the fact that he's voting for me for following. Not an OMGUS suspicion, I just think its noteworthy compared to pretty much everything else in this game. I think that whatever the case, I'm willing to act scummy just to keep this game moving for the rest of ya, so:
confirm vote Eldritch Lord"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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nyeh, irrelevant. Why not respond to the points I brought up? Or maybe you can't? Liking my vote now.Forbiddan, don't care if you're a man or a woman.
I will say him, no girls on the internet, etc."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I was barely around for day 2 really to say much. I also wasn't on that failwagon on Geddings. I WAS going to go back through on Geddings and see if I agreed or not, but after I said that someone dropped the hammer. As for D1, L-4 isn't that worrysome, IMO. (I didn't know it at the time, I admit, but still, this game had to be at least 8 to lynch being a large game). You go with what seems scummy. It's the same reason I switched to Joubert after his little game. I wish he had explained himself better rather than lurked his way to death.
You quickly drop a vote and throw down a 4th vote on a bandwagon Day 1 Page 3 for not explaining his votes enough. Still, your explanation is pretty weak for a 4th vote, imho. I missed Post Identity 206-I like this post. Still, your Day 2 play is pretty weak, I don't see you making a strong case against anyone and as the day gets more and more serious you indulge in a conversation regarding the greatest rock opera of all time. Perhaps not a scumtell, but it certainly doesn't make you the most helpful town either.
Why would I deflect at one vote? Quite frankly, I wish I could have voted you again. I'm not trying to start a new case that's not mine when I'm in danger of lynch. That seems to be what you are doing.
Whenever I see a confirm vote, it strikes me as deflecting (HAI ROOK GUISE, I'M VOTIN FER HEM REMEMBER?!)
Alright, tell me where I've followed so I may explain it. You had your followings pointed out with a rather unsatisfactory explanation. If you really think you can catch scum in me, you should probably try to play the same card.Well we sure are an impatient town for one with 2 mislynches in the past 2 days. But since you guys got your knickers all bundled up, here it goes. Look, forbiddanlight, I cannot make the cases the same--they are not. Mine is a lack of judgment in trusting Snix (something that has happened before)--where yours is as of yet unexplained. They are not similar, your case is a milder case of mine--and not nearly as suspicious, but I'm certainly not going to vote for myself and no other player really has anything for me to go on.
Granted. I still suspect you. Is there really no one else suspicious?
And logically, if I feel I have nothing else to go on from any other player, and know that I am not scum--then looking for even the mildest hypocrisy becomes a valid option."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I missed this. I can because it wasn't as bad as yours, and the supposed "badness" of my play is rather subjective.
I just don't see how you can criticize me for the first two days of my play when yours are almost just as bad. I feel I'm missing something, I may double-post."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Prod picked up, hoping that some of the other players show up so we can work out if we are going for EL, Snix, or the comical third option."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Hi, I was just kinda wondering, are we still playing this gmae? And also, EL, voting has more purposes than lynching. Pressure votes do occur. I know I've used them without intent to lynch and gather information. Also, your last post feels a bit OMGUSy towards armix."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Were those pressure votes though? Seemed everyone was ready to lynch. Hell, most of you couldn't even wait for me to take a look at Geddingsworth and weigh in. That mildly pissed me off.Obviously they do, since its happened twice in this game.
/facepalming right now? I thought so."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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a mik5 one, right? Well, he needs to be replaced if I read the replacement thread right.Still ambivalent towards this wagon."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Sorry. I was getting bored and saw a question. I'll refrain from answering things directed to other people in the future.armlx wrote:
I was hoping he could answer first.a mik5 one, right?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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First, Chubbs, you could get my gender right. It's annoying that people can't pay attention to the icons right next to someone's posts
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So we no longer have the right to change our minds? My apologies for trying to actually...you know...think instead of tunnel vision.
So im doing a reread and there 3 people that really seem suspiscious to me. Those being forbiddenlight, orange penguin, and Snix. In the first 6 pages all three of you seemed to have no care for your votes. constantly changing between people.
Um...because I thought Jou was scum, obviously. And was rather happy to see the hammer because I thought it would be a good start. I was wrong.
and upon the lynching of Joubert, who ended up being town, he proclaimed;
"So, that's the HAMMAH!"
Yeah, but you'll also notice I asked that because I wanted to know if they said who was targetted when a kill failed. I kinda expected to see a "Blank was burned but it failed" Or something. So that's why I was wondering.
Also, when the Night 1 fire kill didnt go through:
"Also, what happened to the fire kill? "
Good guess, but it's wrong. I will admit though, that's a fair conclusion given what you chose to present rather than the whole story
My geuss: he's fire mafia and was wondering what the heck happened to the kill they sent in that night.
Well, excuse me if I notice things. How is it anti town to point out votes needed to lynch? It's a null tell at best. I could even argue it's pro town since I'm warning of the hammer and how close we are. I'm not going to argue that because I wasn't, I was merely making an observation, but I still say this is probably your weakest point.
"HAmmer is at 7 guys, not 6. "
once again, paying close attention to the votes needed to lynch someone.
Because for once, I plan to play to survive as well as help town. So, I'm trying to play middle of the road effectiveness. Clearly it's working well. I'm suspected enough so the mafia would be foolish to kill me, and I think I can talk myself out of being lynched with enough effort."I don't plan to die. And on the offchance I do, I won't flip scum"
what makes you so sure you won't die? assuming you are town like you say then you actually have a good chance of dying seing as you can get lynched or killed by one of two mafias. now if you are one of those mafias, you wont vote for yourself and you cant get killed by the other mafia. Much better chances of surviving the night and it would make it the "offchance" that you could die as you say.
Oh yeah, what did I said that in response to anyway? Just curious.
Fair enough. A counter wagon helps prevent tunnel vision.
I know pretty much everyone has someone they think is suspiscious at this point for multiple reasons. The Snix, EL connection desserves attention as well as many other actions by various players. But there are still 4 Mafia out there.
Hope to convince you of your folly before you make too many mistakes.
Vote: Forbiddanlight because I think he is one of them.
Chubbs, I'm glad you finally got around to making a case. I feel better about your alignment being pro town because that is actually a fairly built case (much better than say, ELs). Unfortunately (or fortunately rather), it's a little bit off for the reasons outlined above. I'd also appreciate it if you participated more than popping in with a post now and then.
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Not Voting (3): mik5, Scigatt, Snix"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Not really. I in fact was the one that pointed out Jou's error after he brought up "rofl did the same thing!" And I explained why it wasn't here:
Granted this was after rofls post outing out Joubert so it wasn't clear out of the water But still, it seemed like you finally flipped towards joubert once you saw rofl going for him as well.
Like i said changing your mind is great, and not to be tunnelvisioned. but you flip flopped so much it was somewhat ridiculous.
.There's a difference. rofl is conditional on Chubbs flipping scum, and there is a weak connection between him and Eldritch (i.e, Eldritch is the only one defending Chubbs). Yours is like "rofl needs to die if Chubbs flips town" even though the only link is that rofl is pushing a Chubbs lynch, and several people are doing that. Chubbs being town would have no bearing on rofl's alignment. HOWEVER, I don't think rofl's course of action is correct, and would not support an Eldritch lynch based on just that. But, I also know that's rofl's style. I don't believe that's your style, but I can't be sure. Either way, rofl didn't do the same thing you did really.
And just because I was fine with either lynch doesn't mean I was flip flopping. I was going for the people I found scummiest. I liked my vote on you at the time I pointed that out, but as time started passing without Jou defending himself sufficiently, as well as the fact that his wagon had more traction, I felt Jou was a better play.
Fair enough. It could have been taken as the gloating scum tell, I understand.
I guess, I mean when i saw that the fire kill went through i didnt really care why. i was just glad another townie wasnt killed.you posting wondering what the hell happened just seemed weird to me. but we are different people with different reactions to certain things. its possible you were just curious.
Fair enough. But context matters in how someone looks scummy. Most of this was born in how you presented my reaction to the fire kill since it was more than what you showed.i just picked the posts you made that made you look scummy to me. and left the posts that were townish out because no one knows whether your trying to deceive us or are truly being pro-town. If you would like to prove your case of being town by your posts rather than just refuting my post then please do.
EL is scummy, especially given his response under pressure. I feel Snix is more the victim of being followed by a scummy player, but I reread him in isolation so I could be wrong. I wish mik would post more but I don't precisely see Cephrir's case on him. It might gain credence if mik posts more and swings me either way. OP has a bit of "I agree syndrome" like EL, but it's not as strong. I would prefer he start posting his own reasoning, and if I HAD to vote someone not EL, I'd probably vote OP right now.
Who do you think is scummy forbiddan?
Really, it's hard right now to give a good clear who is scummy answer since the first two days flew by (hell, I didn't even get to reread Geddingsworth before the hammer), and second half the players aren't posting. For now, I'd pin EL and OP. If EL does flip scum (which I think he will), I could consider more Snixtastic scrutiny, but don't feel it would lead anywhere. I may change my mind as more people post."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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EBWOP:
If you point out examples it's possible I may exercise the right to change my mind. I should probably reread him again looking closer.
Snix throughout the whole game has seemed scummy. His interaction with those who, we now know, were townies. His voting patterns. When I read all 14 pages alot of his posts seemed somewhat scummy. nothing completely out there. but i didnt really notice a pro-town post. maybe its just the way i saw things. but thats that."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I don't know! That's the problem! I don't know whether Snix is a victim or not. I kinda thought that, but I could see blatent following to give that impression. It's freaking WIFOM and I hate it. That's mostly why I said I'll look at Snix more closely pending how you flip but don't think it'll lead anywhere.
So if you really think this then why should my being scum make him more scummy? I smell somebody setting up a mislynch.
To be fair, I haven't linked you guys inseperably yet. Half of it depends on your flip if it happens (It might, given how the day has gone so far), and the other half depends on how Snix further handles himself and how a closer look reflects on him in the context of all the flips.
It is hard to get a clear idea of who is scummy when the first two days went by so quickly, and yet with only 15 pages of discussion on Page 3 and no conclusive evidence to go on you are talking about my flip as though I'm already lynched and then go on to set up a link to Snix for the next day despite having said:"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Well, then are you ceding that I'm defended well? In which case you should probably unvote. Are you still thinking I'm scum? then counter my defense. If you need to consider, please, say so.I didn't think I had to respond to it. You put up your defense against my thoughts on you and the examples I gave where you seemed scummy to me. Plus i thought your last defense was towards EL's post against you. I didn't know I had to elaborate any more.
I know. I was merely quoting you because you posted without response.and the Sorry my bad was towards Cephrir for not using proper quotation"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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So, I was kinda wondering. Are we still playing here or are we just planning to let the game stall until someone posts, which won't happen because there is nothing new to respond to?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Same here, but no one will post if no one is posting. It's the vicious cycle that causes mafia games to die.I'm interested in playing, but I've said all I feel is relevant for the time being."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Personally? Much as I'd love to kick the game in the rear and get it started again...it's not in the best interest of the town to end the day with 2 absent people. If we are wrong, we could have just given up to two scum a free pass cause they gave up. Do you honestly want to take that risk? However, I also agree there does come a point where the time a day takes is ridiculous. Sooo...I'd like to do this.
Mod, how long do you think it will take you to find replacements, and is there any way we can help?
I would like to hold the hammer for however long WC says it will take, and if she succeeds give the replacements a few more days to catch up and hopefully give us a more complete look at the game.
Fair enough everyone? Not that I really have any power to do anything, I just wanted to make a suggestion."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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As far as I know, EL is at L-1. (if you wanted him to answer sorry).So, what the current VC look like?
L-? are you EL?
Hey, EL, you could do us a favor and reveal your scumbuddy ."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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L-? are you EL?
This? I think he's more asking what EL is at in terms of votes to lynch. Weird conclusion to come to IMO.Am I the only one who realized xtoxm said EL was scum, then asked if Eldritch Lord was EL?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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What do you interpret that as then?I think he's more asking what EL is at in terms of votes to lynch---
Eldritch Lord (4): forbiddanlight, armlx, Snix, orangepenguin
forbiddanlight (2): Eldritch Lord, ChubbsMcLubbs
Jenethron (1): Cephrir
Not Voting (2): Jenethron, Xtoxm"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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If EL flips scum, which I find likely, I would have to conclude Snix is more suspect. But, my scumlist?
EL, possibly Snix, possibly Chubbs (if Snix isn't EL's buddy, since Chubbs followed the same case EL did. Then again, that case WAS on me, and I admit it was an alright one, didn't feel too forced, so I could be wrong), and...orangepenguin. He acted a little sketchy to supposedly get things moving, and I haven't been overly impressed with him thus far. This is just off the top of my head and I should probably reread."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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...damn. I wasn't even thinking when I posted mine. You are right too...we should...probably stop at this point. Sorry, I wasn't even thinking of mafia theory when I posted :S.LoSes seem somewhat antitown."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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It might be considered anti town to explain, I'm not sure, but I think it bears saying.Why is it antitown?
Essentially, if everyone throws out and LoS, it gives the scum a road map to who's considered most pro town and who's considered most likely to be lynched. I forgot about this when I posted mine and Cephrir reminded me."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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To an extent. I can still see a full scumlist from everyone giving a lot of information to the scum.Uhhh, only LoS's that rank the non-scum considered people from most to least town really do that."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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