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Actually, who the vig killed is irrelevant, as more town directed kills is always good and it hitting a power role would simply be bad luck, though I'm pretty sure it was K7 for 2 reasons.I seriously hope it wasnt the vig you killed the doctor, If so, that vig needs to be kneecapped. And if you dont know what kneecapping is, it's when you take a lead pipe to someone's kneecaps.
1) K7 fits the profile of someone who would be N0 killed. Lots of filler posts and what not.
2) Kill MO on dcorbe is typical SK kill MO.
Possible Cavebear was the kill as bludgeoning can be SK, but point 1 would say otherwise.
Again, as I said, this is pretty irrel.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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roflcopter wrote:
this is scummy. i'll tell you why when you're older.armlx wrote:
Why?iron man is obviously town. obviously.
You realize that with no reason stating X is town on page 1 with no logic is actually an EXTREMELY anti-town move as there are 3 possible scenarios regarding it.
A) You are a cop claiming on page one. I currently doubt anyone would be dumb enough to do this.
B) You are scum trying to set up an "I told you so" or protect a scum partner with no reasoning. For this exact reason what you did gains you know town points under any circumstances.
C) You are a townie, and you have just looked like Group B.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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The short explanation:What logic is that you are implying?
1) On N0, if a game is balanced, killing off a random person should be even benefit on both sides. The vig doesn't kill themselves, so the pool is slanted towards the town's favor as there are (balanced number - 1 ) townies vs (balanced number) scum.
2) Vigilante kills after N0 are generally the same as more lynches. Which is good.
Asking for reasonings behind an absolute statement is role fishing? Listen, its obvious you aren't a cop, no cop would be dumb enough to just out themselves in post 2. So, therefore, your statement was either based on A) a meta-read or tell of Ironman's I was unaware of or B) total bull shit. If the former I would be interested in listening, if its the latter I would be interested in lynching you. Its pretty evidently the latter.its a little thing called ROLEFISHING. and its what you proceeded to DO when you asked me that question.
Unvote, Vote roflcopter
Iron Man's self fulfilling prophecy point is valid. rofl's question was very close to a 100% pro-town question, but just off enough it was not.
The correct way to phrase it would be this, which I actually want answers to.
Which, if any, of armlx, strife, and roflcopter do you think are scummy? If you think more than one is, which one do you think is more scummy?Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Where has IAUN pushed the strife lynch. He merely said he was scummier then me. This is the exact issue with rofl's question, it commits people to positions they aren't really pushing.That's exactly what I mean. I haven't seen anything scummy yet and you and rofl pushing his lynch haven't shown anything that gives cause for his lynch at this time.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I should probably elaborate on this. Why would we want potential masons to claim now, especially with no doc. All that would happen is the mafia/sk would have the best kills possible if they want to kill confirmed townies, and eliminated suspects if they want to try to kill power roles.armlx wrote:
No.This is the part where I propose the masons out themselves. Discuss.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Sigh, you accuse me of role fishing that info out when A) a large number of players pushed your wagon to claim and B) you volunteered the bread crumb.armlx, it was stupidly, blatantly obvious who my mason partner was if i just claimed mason, thanks to you rolefishing for just that information.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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It does. Anything that gives the mafia more information in who to target at night is going to hurt the town, especially if the "pay off" for the town is getting 2 confirmed innocents who won't likely last long.You can't tell me masons outing themselves really hurts the town.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I concur with everything this post has to say except (partially) the last sentence.Korts wrote:Vote: forbiddanlight
You're not willing to start a bandwagon, but will be jumping on it if it has momentum? Preemptively justifying any opportunism? Just die.
Vote forbiddanlightAway Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Why? It affects me very little, as thats exactly the logic one scum would use in determining when to bus another.forb's post made me less inclined to lynch strangercoug,
This question only really pertains to the future, after we determine if forbiddanlight is scum or not.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I don't think a single person here agrees with you on the role fishing part, as evidenced by the fact you were wagoned to claim after your posts about it.armlx, you just aren't going to admit that making legitimate points against you like rolefishing and poisoning the well make this obviously not omgus, are you?Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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It benefits the town just as much as if rofl had A) waited till closer to lynch and B) not revealed his partner, and benefits the mafia less.Masons are nothing more than glorified townies that can talk at night. Their vote is no more powerful than anyone else's. Now that the masons are outed (if they truly are masons) the odds are better for the town to lynch scum. So yes it does technically benefit the town to have them come out. We won't spend our time trying to lynch them. And it provides some cover for the other townies.
But you do. Intuition is not valid reasoning.Also, I don't think I need to justify my intuition, but whatever.
Agree. No claims until L-2 people.It's pretty absurd that we've already had three claims at this point (albiet one of them involuntary). If everybody could stop doing that now, that'd be lovely.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Yup. Just using intuition meansOkay, good point. Guess I just kinda get used to going by my gut and I forget that not everyone thinks like that.
A) you saw something you thought was scummy and don't actively remember it. Upon reread you can probably find it and make a case.
B) You are working off bias. This is bad.
C) You don't have a reason and are trying to make one up. Also bad.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Statistical studies have shown that not stating a neither option is avaliable when it is a valid response leads to bias in the result.Who said the question didn't have a neither option?
The one you voted him for.And which stall are you talking about here, the stall on roflcopter's initial question, or the stall on my request for elaboration on his response to the former? Or both? (Or neither? Wink )
Lowell, vibes != proof or logic, therefore vibes = nothing unless you can back them with logic. As such, any vibe only based votes or alignment thoughts on people from you will be responded to with a "Please show your work" from me. Your incentive to do so will be my not bringing up memories of annoying math teachers once you start using logic.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I will be happy to argue the logic behind N0 vigging outside the thread some other time, but for now no one should bring up the subject any more as it will give away who can't be the vig if people agree/disagree.This is poor logic because there is 5 scum compared to 15 town. So even if you eliminate 1 town (the vig himself), it's still only a 5 in 19 chance of hitting scum, with a decent chance of hitting a town power role.
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Yup.iamausername wrote:
roflcopter, this is what rolefishing looks like.Korts wrote:
And with that, you've just given away that you're not the vig. Good job.armlx wrote:
I will be happy to argue the logic behind N0 vigging outside the thread some other time, but for now no one should bring up the subject any more as it will give away who can't be the vig if people agree/disagree.This is poor logic because there is 5 scum compared to 15 town. So even if you eliminate 1 town (the vig himself), it's still only a 5 in 19 chance of hitting scum, with a decent chance of hitting a town power role.
Unvote, Vote: Korts
Unvote, Vote KortS
I have a suspicion fl is just newbie wagon bait in general.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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This is the exact danger of your post, and hence the reason I am voting you.And actually, now that I re-read armlx's reasoning, I realized I read it wrong the first time, as in armlx didn't deny being the vig in any way. Ah well.
I could also get behind an SC lynch. Pretty shameless wagoning. Rather lynch KortS first though, as theres a connection there now that would reveal info.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Its relevant to Lowell's townieness later on.Again, this isn't much of a point against armlx, I just don't see why armlx keeps arguing against the masons claiming when they already have.
I had assumed in reading this was the reason rofl had claimed, although it was admittedly early for a claim by wagon. Given rofl's post, the cause of his claim was fairly ambiguous IMO, so my posts on the topic are hardly "changing history".First, changing history, the "wagon to claim" thing. Not all that scummy by itself, but it not being correct invalidates the argument, yet armlx keeps pushing the point it should serve to strengthen.
Also, nice job misordering the 2 quotes to make it look like 2 incidents.
So your case now amounts to something you admit is only minorly scummy and something you admit is biased by OMGUS.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I agree with rofl here, as per my post a page or so ago.dear vigilante,
please kill vamp tonight for the good of the colony
Except I responded to every point on the case.....its like every time somebody has brought up scummy things armlx has done, he chooses the one he thinks he can most easily refute and says jack squat about the rest of the points in the case.
Of course I knew about Lowell's statement, but in no way did I assume that was the reason rofl claimed for 2 reasons: 1) he had a growing wagon on him and 2) It was one of the dumbest ideas ever.armlx, you have contradicted yourself. You said that roflcopter was bandwagoned to the point of claiming mason, which Korts said he was not. You then bring Lowell into this, implying that you knew that he asked for a mason claim. Said claim request is actually why I currently think he's scummy (remember that I was VERY hesitant to clear roflcopter of my suspicions), but other issues have come up since. Some of them involve you. So without further ado:Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Setting up D2 lynch only applies if the person we lynch today is scum, as obviously there is no connection if you are town.Nice way of ignoring the points that actually made me vote you. Read the last paragraph. Setting up Day 2 lynch, ignoring possible forbiddanlight-Korts connection despite having the same basis as the SC-Korts connection.
I explained the lack of caring about fl because I think fl is town now, so why would a connection to you matter?Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I'm leaning KortS if only because I'm unsure on whether this is SC's standard behavior.Who would you say is scummier, Korts or SC? Personally, I'd say SC, in which case, we should lynch hm first to test the connection, and really consider Korts for the next lynch if SC turns up scum.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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1. The tell isn't that strong.Wow. So pointing out a (valid) tell is definitely only to buddy up to rofl. Bravo!
2. You seem to be much more convinced I am scum.
Put these 2 together with the fact the person you have been following most of the game had adder as his other suspect, and you get the impression of opportunistic buddying.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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What IAUN said, and it definitely got everyone to stop talking about it, am I right?(Note: I don't object to your saying we shouldn't discuss the vig, as I tried to avoid talking about it as well. What I object to is the way you said it.)
Will discuss post game.Vigs are useless anyway. There, I said it.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Yeah, but the issue is often people are wrong about their logic and doing that is just harmful. Those people can get away with it because they know what they are doing.@Arm: re your list of three reasons, it's also possible he's a townie playing in the BJ/JDodge manner. More people should do this, actually, so that cops can feel free to breadcrumb.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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