Yeah, it was a pigeon. That spoke. shrug
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If you're seriously telling me that I'm supposed to take all of the claimed results and your own little tee hee at face value then you have another thing coming.
Look.
I can play the culted is town ballgame.
Because that's easier and, frankly, I have little reason to distrust you.
But this is slowly turning into a massive tee hee game which has its own complications.
Namely the fact that there may be a town-aligned killer running around who could screw with certain people playing coy.
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Like this game can't be as easy as
kuror0 clears Kuroi (who cant be bothered to play the game but whatever)
persivul somethings culted
lynch anyone outside the group
Even the fact that Creature was a Town-aligned Mafia Traitor doesn't help with the sheer amount of confirmage we have now.
I'm advocating being cautious since this is unlikely to be as easy as FOLLOW THE TEE HEES TO VICTORY."This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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List is progressively harder to read but w/e.
First group is TOWN aka tee hee role interactions or something.
Second group is Town ala actual strong townreads.
Third group is basically everyone else.
Because if Pine's town ala role.
Shaziro I can honestly see going either way.
kuror0 is apparently clearing kuroi but isn't himself anything to write home about and an investigation certainly doesn't clear the investigator.
drealmerz is all over the place.
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Its not kuror0's investigation, its kuror0 himself.
Scum can play the tee hee game too.
Tee hee game is basically softclaiming results or going "NO TRUST ME THEYRE TOWN" and not doing anything about it.
So what happens is we have a bunch of small/softclaims and no concrete information.
Now I'm not arguing for a massclaim or something like that, but the 'they are town because REASONS YOU DONT GET TO KNOW' isn't a blank check and we cannot allow this to just sit forever.
So yeah. You going I GUARANTEE culted makes me cringe even if I'm going to trust you on the matter."This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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So here's an example.In post 1843, Persivul wrote:
No, I don't know what you mean, and I don't know what a tee-hee game is.*sic*
But this is slowly turning into a massive tee hee game which has its own complications.
Namely the fact that there may be a town-aligned killer running around who could screw with certain people playing coy.
I trust you understand what I mean.
Let's say we have a Vigilante running around.
If there are Masons in hiding, for example, there's the risk that the vig hits them.
So a silent tee hee game may be detrimental to the town.
This example comes from Quirkytown where there was a confirmed Mason who was unclaimed (Me) and a known Vigilante running around gunning people down.
A townie (Kise) advocated lynching himself and for the Mason to claim to avoid being vigged during the night.
After some confusion (because we all had post restrictions) I finally claimed, avoided getting shot by the vig, and the scum HAD to go after the vig to avoid getting killed.
They missed the Vig.
I forced the vig and the last mafia to shoot each other the following night.
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I'm ok with it. Why do you ask?In post 1879, drealmerz7 wrote:andrius, how do you feel about being called 'andy' ?
You're taking me out of context.In post 1880, drealmerz7 wrote:do what you can to have 1 scum-read accompanied by a case, that'd be swell
I meant I'd try to be around from here to deadline.
So there's one less person we have to worry about being here before deadline.
No, you're just pulling a MagnaofIllusion and scumreading anyone who doesn't play like you expect them to.In post 1881, drealmerz7 wrote:still pretty sure andrius is scum after that move with my msg btw
so many reasons that is a scum move
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Again, I've used it before in a game.In post 1883, Pine wrote:He was back and forth on me but agrees that contacting dead makes no damn sense as a scum power.
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Getting kuroi to play the game he signed up for is proving difficult, yes.In post 1883, Pine wrote:He's practically ranting against culted and Kuroi."This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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Before he beetlejuices in here, yes, he does post.
But he doesn't drive anything nor "gamesolve" so no, his presence is minimal at best and for a person 'confirmed' by kuror0, is quite sad we don't have him here.
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No, I don't.In post 1889, drealmerz7 wrote:
this is a fallacy you realize?In post 1884, Andrius wrote: ... you're just pulling a MagnaofIllusion and scumreading anyone who doesn't play like you expect them to.
I do expect players to play to their wincon, yes, I don't do much expecting, but that, I expect
I honestly think you're just mad that the messenger thing didn't pan out like you wanted it to and I didn't do what you expected I would do, so your townread on me from previous-to-the-messenger deal turned into a scumread off of one thing that didn't go your way.
Does that mean you're scum? No.
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Standard Baker procedure you receive something in the night you claim it to let the other person know it worked etcIn post 1148, Andrius wrote:Persivul is 100% town.
I am confirming receipt of something I received in the middle of the night.
You know who you are.
Was suspicious the whole thing was a buddying attempt, like, THANKS FOR NOT LYNCHING ME IM POWERFUL TYIn post 1151, Andrius wrote:I have to admit though: you were right to send it to me.
I'm not sure what I think of your first line though.
Regardless, I trust you.
Still was a townread.
The concern over buddying and/or paranoia over scum Strahd messengering people as a FREE action was suspicious.In post 1241, Andrius wrote:FULL DISCLOSURE:
I received a message from someone overnight.
They basically told me that they have a similar role to Jason's but stronger and more.
Said they hope I'm a True Friend.
Capitalized letters were theirs.
While I appreciate the vote of confidence messaging me, I can't help shake the fact that this is all sorts of troublesome.
Because Messenger as a not free action is pointless.
The fact that drealmers HAS this as a free action confirms my thoughts.
The fact that he didn't track last night is, frankly, worrying.
Healthy amount of skepticism.In post 1242, Andrius wrote:If it weren't for this I'd still be townreading them.
Clarifying to someone.In post 1245, Andrius wrote:They specifically told me who it was, implying that they wanted to in what could have been an anonymous message.
Messengering and other actions is strong... if the person would actually DO the other action.In post 1246, Andrius wrote:Thoughts:
+This person can, presumably, both message and do their action in the night. Which is strong. Two actions one night, strong. Unless messaging is free.
+Which makes me instantly suspect scum from mod-side.
+If town, this person is somewhat of a protective role, due to the relation to Jason.
+Again, the mod-side argument is scum should also have a protective role.
Again, healthy amount of skepticism. The only innocents are bodies.
Scum should also have a form of protective ability.
The TRUE FRIEND was unsettling.In post 1247, Andrius wrote:Sly, you're talking about cologne.
I'm wondering if that's what this is.
Especially given the fact that I thought it was buddying and the fact that you don't know me well enough to simply state your name as reason to trust me.
Messenger is stupid for sole role at night.In post 1251, Andrius wrote:I mean, if this is indeed POWER HEAVY and/or ROLE MADNESS then, yeah, we should expect some overlap.
That being said, scum also have roles and they have to be balanced within their team so they'll likely have THINGs as well.
Not to mention a Traitor.
Doesn't change the fact that we're scumhunting first and scrutinizing claims as a secondary means of finding scum.
Scum have powers too.
There is value in pretending to be town.
Dunn brought up the fact that the messenger might be trying to frame someone.In post 1255, Andrius wrote:
This is possible, but their tone/words makes me believe they are who they say they are.In post 1254, Dunnstral wrote:between the messenger and pine I'm much more likely to believe that pine is scum.
Also, keep in mind that they could have fake identified themself through the anonymous message.
It made sense, to me, that drealmerz would write some TRUE FRIEND crap since we're not friends and don't have a history together to simply say I AM DREALMERZ NO WORDS ARE NECESSARY JUST LOOK INTO MY EYES.Asking TownSlySly his thoughts. Because this is clearly bothering me and Sly is best bro in this game.
This post in particular made me feel like it wasn't drealmerz who sent the message because he was playing cute re: messenger.In post 1316, Andrius wrote:
No, I think 3 scum and a traitor is totally viable in a power-heavy, known-swingy game.In post 1313, drealmerz7 wrote:scum:
culted
andrius
slysly
shaziro
my view on persivul has switched to more likely completely wrong/misguided town
I think there are 3 scum because of the traitor, otherwise I'd be inclined 4 because of the seeming powers out there
I don't think multiple traitors makes sense
a messenger sounds interesting, not familiar with those type of mechanics so much so really no idea how it'd work
this is a flavor game and all the things have been flavor heavy - can you tell us how the message was relayed to you, andrius? the sender identified themselves and you believe it was them, did they just come to your room at night and talk to you? whatever you can share would be good, I think, at this point, since you've pretty much outed the more crucial info, which:
I have a hugescum ping here because you've outted their role (even if not fully, but to a degree that I'd be uncomfortable with if I were the messenger, of course not confirming nor denying if I am or not) it seems they trusted you with some private info and you dislcosed it, even if anonymously.
Mod PM'd me a separate message from the DAYBREAK general one we all got.
For someone who frowns on outing this, you want details?
If I add flavor people might reverse-engineer what type of role it came from.
Also I disagree with your "hugescum ping" here because its weak as shit.
If I received a message that said DIE ANDY DIE you think I wouldn't out it?
And hey, what I received smelled of cologne so I definitely think it was a buddying attempt.
People who know me know they don't have to send secret messages to get at my heart.
He's barking up the tree but he doesn't want to commit.
I inferred it wasn't him.
It was.
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Explaining messenger to the yet-unrevealed messenger.In post 1318, Andrius wrote:Messenger is simply (with/without flavor ofc)
YOU RECEIVED A MESSAGE DURING THE NIGHT:
"WORDS"
Sender may or may not be named. Mine chose to reveal himself, or at least claim who he said he was.In post 1321, Andrius wrote:
UhhhhhhIn post 1319, drealmerz7 wrote:yeah that's not what I was looking for but if you don't want to share that's cool I won't push it
This post was also another ITS NOT DREALMERZ since he's asking about flavor.In post 1322, Andrius wrote:You know what.
I think this confirms my TINFOIL. The messenger might be STRAHD. Could be a means of reaching a traitor that doesn't cost an action.
The messenger claimed to beSpoiler:
For someone who's scumreading me for outing him, he sure wanted to know about the flavor etc.
It made me think it wasn't him and felt that outing the fact that someone was framing him was something the town should know.
In hindsight, if he didn't want to be outed, why did he push so hard for info/flavor that he already knew?
Especially since he didn't actually tell me anything about his role other than the receipt of the message and vague IM STRONGER THAN JASON.Subtly claiming the flavor.
Explaining.In post 1332, Andrius wrote:If this wasn't me being overt about flavor I don't know how else to do it.
drealmers in a tiffy over the whole debacle.In post 1335, Andrius wrote:drealmerz please.
Think about it.
I know nothing about your role.
That could be scum/ someone else trolling for all that.
I don't know how you're getting scum from this. At all. There's no play one way or the other regarding messengers.
I don't KNOW you're the sender. Nothing confirms you as sender. Mod didn't name you.
I hesitated because if it WASNT YOU you wouldn't need to ASK FOR FLAVOR you could have just been tee hee I know what it is because its me and not said anything.
You didn't have to bark up your own tree.
Again, if he didn't want to be outed, why push?
The only thing the thread and I knew was that he was a messenger at this point.
His overreaction was what led him to the fullclaim.
Not me.
Thought process.In post 1342, Andrius wrote:Which is why I didn't say anything immediately.
You played ball with me.
Then I got the impression it wasn't you.
And then you didn't even have to confirm/deny.
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Explaining.In post 1354, Andrius wrote:Look I get you had some plan as to what I'd do.
Sorry I don't conform to your intended outcome.
I play openly and, frankly, the TRUE FRIEND thing was straight-up buddying.
I may not be here tomorrow. Might take a day from this site.
TRUE FRIEND still worst part of the message.
STRONGER THAN JASON is #2.
Agreeing that dreamlerz is making this his one big deal.In post 1387, Andrius wrote:In post 1385, Shaziro wrote:I do think Dreal is panicing a lot for something that shouldn't be that major. I don't know that it's scummy to do so, though."This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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tl;dr
The message said little about his role other than HEY IM A MESSENGER. The mod did not confirm it was from drealmerz, the name was w/in the quotes so there was potential for forgery.
TRUE FRIEND reeked.
STRONGER ROLE THAN DEAD TOWNIE also reeked.
If you want to argue about play differences, I think claiming the insta-succeeding a quest ability D1 and getting the town to take the quest would have been the smart move, especially given how adamant dreamlerz is that winning quests hurts scum.
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The V/LA players need some form of notification.
We have less than 2 days to deadline and at least two people are within prod range.
We can't play this game without them.
9/11 players means we're down two votes which means we'll need 6/9 of the present players on any given wagon to lynch them.
Game's already difficult enough.
They need to be here or we need even a 24h deadline extension to account for the New Years' Holiday/Holyday."This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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That's all Kuroi does too, yet he's town.In post 1929, Pine wrote:Practically the only thing he's done all day has been Beetlejuicing to whenever someone remembers him."This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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kuror0 claimed an investigation of some sort on him though.In post 1934, Pine wrote:
I don't TR Kuroi. Dunnstral was super scummy D1, and has the problem of his claim against him tooIn post 1932, Andrius wrote:
That's all Kuroi does too, yet he's town.In post 1929, Pine wrote:Practically the only thing he's done all day has been Beetlejuicing to whenever someone remembers him."This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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No. The thought never occurred to me.In post 1911, drealmerz7 wrote:don't you recognize a password/codeword when you see one?what sense does it make for you to out the True Friend in the thread?why did you think I put it there? To call you a True Friend with capital letters so it would be extra warm and special????
To be extra warm and fuzzy? Hence why I thought you were buddying?
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Forgive me for using my brain, but it COULD be interpreted as though you want us to assume all INNOCENT-type results are bad because there might be a godfather.In post 1964, drealmerz7 wrote:that's what I thought but wasn't sure
culted could be GF strahd, we all realize, yes?
as could kuroi
In a game with a godfather, there are still guilty results.
In a game with a godfather, there's only one godfather. There's no way we could have 2/3 of them.
I think you're overreacting, as usual, or at worst, fearmongering our investigative result on kuroi and/or culted."This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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That would require you having any influence over the rest of us.In post 1960, drealmerz7 wrote:pedit - dunn, don't make me start a flash wagon on you"This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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In post 1947, Clumsy wrote:Day Two deadline is: 1 day, 2 hours, 38 minutes"This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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No, I still think you're town.
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In post 1978, kuror0 wrote:guys guys calm down. I actually have an idea to check if there is a GF around or not so let's not panic yet about that."This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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(4) Pine - Dunnstral, SlySly, Persivul,drealmerz7
(4) Shaddowez - Culted, Andrius, Pine, kuror0
(2) drealmerz7 - KuroiXHF, Shaziro
(1) Not Voting:Shaddowez
With 11 alive, Majority (50%+1) is 6.
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In post 1289, Andrius wrote:Obligatory thieves are the scum of the earth and have no honor post
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Don't do this to me sly
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Its fake
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It better be
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DONT DO THIS TO ME SLYSLY
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In post 2039, SlySly wrote:
When you pull the loaf from the oven this time, all you will smell is sweet perfume.In post 2037, Andrius wrote:Sly i thought what we had was special"This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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lolnope.jpgIn post 2073, Shaziro wrote:That means you were redirected, Andrius. I'm town.
Results included your name.
Wasn't a YOUR TARGET IS WICKED.
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