Mini 1859: D&D Curse of Strahd Mafia - Game Over

[Andrius]

There's value in pretending to be town.

Its like, you see a Fruit Vendor and immediately assume it can't be scum because its useless to them?

[Pine]

Messenger can be Strahd-aligned to try and find the traitor?
The fact it comes from a PIGEON can be immaterial if there is a Strahd-aligned Adventurer.

I'm not saying THIS IS THE CASE but THIS IS A COUNTERPOINT

I didn't realize it was a pigeon. That doesn't really fit with animal messenger. Hrm. Everything else is telling me drealmerz is Town. Table it for another day.

VOTE: Shaddow

Come on Andy. This is the best option.

[Shaziro]

No, the pigeon -does- fit as animal messenger. There are, however, -CRAZY DRUIDS IN THE WIZARD OF WINES WINERY- that work for Strahd! Their leader has a Gulthias Staff, and is -CRAZY-. They also summon -Blights-. That's what Dreal is, if anything, and he's desperately fakeclaiming Ranger and fucking it up big time.

[Andrius]

Yeah uh I tried to be subtle when I asked about pigeons.
Yeah, it was a pigeon. That spoke. shrug

Vote: shaddow

[Andrius]

Shaziro I need your help.

Tell me all you know about pigeons.

[drealmerz7]

No, the pigeon -does- fit as animal messenger. There are, however, -CRAZY DRUIDS IN THE WIZARD OF WINES WINERY- that work for Strahd! Their leader has a Gulthias Staff, and is -CRAZY-. They also summon -Blights-. That's what Dreal is, if anything, and he's desperately fakeclaiming Ranger and fucking it up big time.

if I fakeclaim

I do a good job

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8668761

[Persivul]

dreal, what were you trying to accomplish with the message? Will you share the entire message with us?

[Shaziro]

Man, I sure did fakeclaim good once, here, go figure out if that was a fakeclaim if it was actually good and how it worked out, and then assume that because it happened once (If all of the above were true), that it's happening now despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary! I'm town, and because I said so, you have to believe me!

[Persivul]

shaz, what are you reads?

[drealmerz7]

confbias some more

[drealmerz7]

be with you after my meal pers

[Persivul]

Ok look.
Saying "guaranteed town" without extra words and "guaranteed town pls trust me role stuff" or "guaranteed town I'm a cop I investigated him N1 he's town" are three different things.

Yep. But, I was asked for clarification, and clarified that it was not merely a read. You missed that, too, and now are ignoring it. You seem like cornered scum more than skimming town.

[Andrius]

If you're seriously telling me that I'm supposed to take all of the claimed results and your own little tee hee at face value then you have another thing coming.

Look.
I can play the culted is town ballgame.
Because that's easier and, frankly, I have little reason to distrust you.
But this is slowly turning into a massive tee hee game which has its own complications.
Namely the fact that there may be a town-aligned killer running around who could screw with certain people playing coy.

I trust you understand what I mean.

[Andrius]

Especially since Godfathers still exist.

[Andrius]

Like this game can't be as easy as
kuror0 clears Kuroi (who cant be bothered to play the game but whatever)
persivul somethings culted

lynch anyone outside the group

Even the fact that Creature was a Town-aligned Mafia Traitor doesn't help with the sheer amount of confirmage we have now.

I'm advocating being cautious since this is unlikely to be as easy as FOLLOW THE TEE HEES TO VICTORY.

[Andrius]

TOWN
culted
Kuroi

Town
Persivul
SlySly
Dunnstral

town
Pine
Shaziro
kuror0
drealmerz
shaddow
SCUM

[Andrius]

List is progressively harder to read but w/e.
First group is TOWN aka tee hee role interactions or something.
Second group is Town ala actual strong townreads.
Third group is basically everyone else.

Because if Pine's town ala role.
Shaziro I can honestly see going either way.
kuror0 is apparently clearing kuroi but isn't himself anything to write home about and an investigation certainly doesn't clear the investigator.
drealmerz is all over the place.
shaddow is simply not present.

[Andrius]

At this point I wouldn't cry if Dunn or anyone below him on the list were shot overnight.
Dunn is there b/c miller claim shouldn't live to endgame zzz

[Persivul]

If you're seriously telling me that I'm supposed to take all of the claimed results and your own little tee hee at face value then you have another thing coming.

You shouldn't take anything at face value.
If you have reason to doubt kuror's, let;s discuss it. It didn't seem scummy to me.

Look.
I can play the culted is town ballgame.
Because that's easier and, frankly, I have little reason to distrust you.
But this is slowly turning into a massive tee hee game which has its own complications.
Namely the fact that there may be a town-aligned killer running around who could screw with certain people playing coy.

I trust you understand what I mean.

No, I don't know what you mean, and I don't know what a tee-hee game is.

[Andrius]

Its not kuror0's investigation, its kuror0 himself.
Scum can play the tee hee game too.

Tee hee game is basically softclaiming results or going "NO TRUST ME THEYRE TOWN" and not doing anything about it.
So what happens is we have a bunch of small/softclaims and no concrete information.
Now I'm not arguing for a massclaim or something like that, but the 'they are town because REASONS YOU DONT GET TO KNOW' isn't a blank check and we cannot allow this to just sit forever.

So yeah. You going I GUARANTEE culted makes me cringe even if I'm going to trust you on the matter.

[Andrius]

*sic*
But this is slowly turning into a massive tee hee game which has its own complications.
Namely the fact that there may be a town-aligned killer running around who could screw with certain people playing coy.

I trust you understand what I mean.

No, I don't know what you mean, and I don't know what a tee-hee game is.

So here's an example.
Let's say we have a Vigilante running around.
If there are Masons in hiding, for example, there's the risk that the vig hits them.

So a silent tee hee game may be detrimental to the town.

This example comes from Quirkytown where there was a confirmed Mason who was unclaimed (Me) and a known Vigilante running around gunning people down.
A townie (Kise) advocated lynching himself and for the Mason to claim to avoid being vigged during the night.
After some confusion (because we all had post restrictions) I finally claimed, avoided getting shot by the vig, and the scum HAD to go after the vig to avoid getting killed.
They missed the Vig.
I forced the vig and the last mafia to shoot each other the following night.
SK and I won for town.

[culted]

Yeah uh I tried to be subtle when I asked about pigeons.
Yeah, it was a pigeon. That spoke. shrug

Vote: shaddow

<3

[culted]

presi get in on this babe

[SlySly]

TOWN
culted
Kuroi

Town
Persivul
SlySly
Dunnstral

town

Pine
Shaziro
kuror0

drealmerz
shaddow
SCUM

I'm fine lynching any of the bolded.

[culted]

sly can you vote shadow pretty pleeze? : 3