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/Confirmafragilisticexpialidocious"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Ah... wait. I see something in my magical crystal ball... Kiddingkabenon007 wrote:But what tactics could scum use within the subgames to affect the course of the meta game? Ah... wait. I see something. A scum could possibly see who is attacking or is who is a dangerous townie to them in the metagame and then possibly sacrifice themselves in a subgame so that the dangerous townie is then on the lynch block. Townies can then, of course affect the course of a subgame so that a potential scum is able to be lynched. Because only the losing side of a subgame is eligible for voting, correct?
How would the scum go about sacrificing themselves for this? And then how would we as a result be able to lynch that player?
Hah, I've not heard that before.Adele wrote:"But Of Course, Wifom Applies To This"
Any particular reason?Sarcastro wrote:To be honest, I'm not planning on thinking too much about this stuff until at least after the first subgame. For now, I'm just interested in playing the subgame and thinking about what the mafia would do in it later.-
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You do that like every game -_-Sarcastro wrote:
Well, a combination of laziness and the fact that I don't think it'll be very easy to anticipate what the scumtells for a game like this will be. I also question the wisdom in telling the scum in advance what we expect them to do (this doesn't apply to everything, of course, but it's still a concern).Xdaamno wrote:
Any particular reason?Sarcastro wrote:To be honest, I'm not planning on thinking too much about this stuff until at least after the first subgame. For now, I'm just interested in playing the subgame and thinking about what the mafia would do in it later.
Also, you're scum.
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Actually, I don't think that's a very good idea. There's no benifet to doing so; it'd just clue in the scum on who the power roles are, IMO.Fiasco wrote: Discuss: should any N0 choices in the first subgame depend on pregame behavior?"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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EBWOP: Wait... power roles? What am I talking about -_-
Disregard that."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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There's much less harm when there's no power roles (Which there obviously aren't), so I'm not too bothered now. It was just my first reaction."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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I'm saying the info from today could the scum info on who to kill. But there are no power-meta-roles, just meta-roles. Unless I mis-read what you were saying? That's what I meant, anyway.Fiasco wrote:Why do you say that "there obviously aren't"? There are power roles in the first three subgames, just not in the metagame. If those subgame power roles are in the hands of metatownies and they die, on average, that's a bad thing.-
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I wouldn't say that's not an entirely bad idea; the only real help is knowing (very little) about what rolesMax wrote:Fiasco I'll just treat C++ as a closed set-up It'll keep me sane unless I end up being an innocent child *fingers crossed*couldexist, of course. If we pay too much attention to the possible setups, it's likely we'd just be distracted.-
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sss, just put
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at the end of your posts, that's standard."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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EBWOP:Vote: Max
It was lame how I forgot that :/"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Hm, good point. Also, "You have a plan for town to kill scum? Or a plan for scum to kill town?" looks like incriminating with more evidence to me; but otherwise, town vibes from you.
Double-Accounters, Putting ~Aimee, ~ssf etc at the end of your posts/bits of your posts should make it a lot easier for everyone, IMO :/
Waterboy could be playing the "Oh no, he's dead!" act as scum, but that's a pretty lame gambit, so I'll have to decide based on further reads.
I've noticed a few hints at sub-roles so far, which is not nessecary; mainly stemming from the talk of our 'past roles', which I feel is distracting and we'd do well to drop at the moment.
Also, Fiasco, the questions you asked Max seemed fairly good to me at first, but... how do you think he could of known, if he does? It's not anything that could implicate him as scum (Since we know role info won't help him, of course)."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Fixed.Xdaamno wrote: looks like incriminating withnoevidence to me;"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Yes; I think, rather than us all pondering over this, Max should just answer the questions already.Thorned Rose wrote:(Aimee here again)
I don't understand Max's comments at the beginning. When you say you had a chance of winning, does that mean you think the town has less of a chance/or is unbalanced?
I see what Fiasco was saying, but I don't understand Max's earlier accusation. Why would Fiasco be responsible for this?-
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Hm. You do realise that full second statement was:kabenon007 wrote:Waldo wrote:Well, I did have the day planned around lynching Max. At least, until I became more suspicious of you.
A direct, and I mean direct as direct can be, contradiction. Within like four posts!Waldo wrote:I didn't have the day planned around killing specifically Max
, and therefore you took it out of context, and there's no contradiction at all...?Waldo wrote:I didn't have the day planned around killing specifically Max, but rather the most suspicious person, who just happened to be Max at the time.-
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More '~', less ''SomeStrangeSimenon wrote:I really don't like this:
1. He's scared of ryan's vote, but awkward is a "safety word".Sammich wrote:It's rly awkward that ryan voted me without any explanation.
Didn't anyone notice that?
2. The question is a lot less assertive than it should be at this stage.
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Waterboy has been vague or plain incorrect in most of the things he's said; it's not much, but with a short deadline, it's the best place to start a bandwagon, IMO.
Unvote, Vote: WaterboyWaldo"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Heh. Effectively an extended deadline, with extra results for cops and the like."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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I don't get Max's play, ftr. Very hard to explain vibes, but all his posts seem very random at this point.
Metagaming might cancel this out, though.
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The only thing I'm confused about is to how we go about identifying metagame scum when we've only had a single game :/ryan wrote:
110% agree with you on that note. You almost have to re-read everything just to get where we are currently.WaterboyWaldo wrote:Man, all this meta-game sub-game stuff is really confusing. I can't even remember if Sarcastro was sub-killed or meta-killed.-
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/agree with pooky
I doubt mith would overlook something like that."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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I can has strategies?"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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"Rather obvious" mistake (As in I suspect it could be intentional, though I have no clue why >.<)ryan wrote:
Is there actually a difference? I mean if it's scummy, it's scummy right?WaterboyWaldo wrote:I don't know if that's subgame-scummy or metagame-scummy.
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Uh, I don't get it. Why?Fiasco wrote:I can see five possible explanations for the lack of a scum kill:
1. intentional no kill by the scum
2. successful doc protect
3. successful block
4. scum missed the deadline
5. scum hit a kill-immune SK
In case 2 the doc should probably not come out. In case 3 the blocker should probably come out. Agreed?-
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Rose's jump on the wagon looked opportunistic, and for some reason targeted the weaker point (Max backtracked on what could easily have been a weird joke), rather than the, IMO, stronger one (We need to lynchsomeonebefore the deadline).
That said, I'd vote for that second point. How long is it until the deadline again?"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Hm, I wish I paid more attention reading the game while dead (You can tell I'm dopey, I posted while killed ).
I'm instantly suspiscious of Pooky with the metagame talk here, though I'll need to read it again. Anyone got an idea of who I should be looking at, here?"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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I'm looking at Sammich at the moment, since I haven't heard much from him.
Why Sarcastro?"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Oh, right, I mis-read."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Any good reason for this public voting? The votes will be public afterwards, so all I can see happening is the scum getting info here.mith wrote: At the conclusion of the subgame, the voting phase commences. Players will have 72 hours to discuss in the thread, while submitting a vote in private, condorcet style (with tiebreakers: Smith/IRV), among the losers of the subgame. At the conclusion of the voting phase, the voting lists will be revealed, and one or two players will be eliminated from the metagame based on the results of the condorcet submissions."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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I doubt he missed it; he could be away/sick, or might have been irritated in your demands that people go look in Mish Mash for reasoning because you can't be bothered to spend 10 seconds copying and pastingMax wrote:I will be sending in my votes as mith has failed to realise not in the last post the post before I asked to be replaced
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The last setup is intentional, and does two things; adds 'confusion' for the scum to balance the lack of power roles, and dosen't instantly confirm the setup for a scum RB.mikeburnfire wrote:
WaterboyWaldo here.Like with C9, the setup will be chosen at random from four options, with equal probability. The possibile setups are:
Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Cop, Doctor, 5 Townies
2 Mafia Goons, Cop, 6 Townies
2 Mafia Goons, Doctor, 6 Townies
Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, 7 Townies
That last setup has a mafia roleblocker with nobody to block. Seems stupid to me. And I don't know about you, but I think I think the Cop only setup is better than the Cop and Doc setup, due to the lack of Mafiablocker.
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EBWOP: V/LA till Monday."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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I'd call them a bit cliche; the last two are joking around, but I'd rather it was established whether they had any reasoning or whether it was 'the opposite' of RVing.ryan wrote:
Yeah, the terms are being thrown around in this game are quite strangeXdaamno wrote:(Limited Access)
Huh? Quicklynch? Obviously not scum? Too awesome to die?-
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Responding to prod. I didn't see any basis for suspiscion on Adele regarding the lists until
, which is a good point. Either way, Adele giving reasoning on her top three/whatever would be helpful, I agree.kabenon007 wrote:
Well congratulations, your top two candidates are dead, and they were both town, so forgive me if I don't trust your reasoning, especially cuz I know I'm town.Adele wrote:Pooks, max and kab I stand by."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Pre-emptive respond to prod. I'm busy, but'll post some content today, with any luck."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Actually, on a second glance, I read them wrong.Xdaamno wrote:
No, I meant your 3 recent posts. I was wondering if you were joking, or sticking with your opinion.mikeburnfire wrote:
Serious about what? I'm genuinely happy that the subgame is going in my favor, if that's what you are referring to.Xdaamno wrote:mike, you serious or not?
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HopefullyI'll be able to get back into the game now, though I don't know where to start, since I haven't been following :/
Town vibes from mike, at the moment. Good observations."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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I don't have much of an idea on who I'm meta-voting here. IMO, it'd be a good idea to discusswhat to look for, not just who to vote.
Sorry?ryan wrote:
Agreed, I am much more interested in the metagame (sorry mod)Simenon wrote:If we aren't going to care about the subgame, we might as well spend all of our time here discussing the metagame.
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[quote=mike]Meta scum? Based on some loose logic and not just my gut, I'd say Xdaamno and you (ryan) would make a pretty good scumpair. So would Sarcastro and Adele. If I had to hazard a guess at the third scum, I'd say Simenon.[/quote]
Heh. I was considering an 'in-before ryan/xdaamno' last post.
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