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Here i am, bitches.
Alright. So I'm going to go ahead andclaim Miller.Believe me or not, I feel like I probably should claim now because otherwise I'm inevitably going to get investigated, and then that's my fault so fuck that.
The rest of my role is pretty powerful, which is probably also why I'm a miller. Also, because GIF hates me.
This is probably a true claim. I don't see any scum motivation for ever mentioning this, especially since it's so easily verifiable in the future.In post 34, pieguyn wrote:I am claiming backup innocent child.this is not a joke or a gambit or whatever, this is a serious claim. the specific function of the role is that if an IC dies and has not used their ability, I'll inherit it (meaning, I don't get anything if an IC dies after they reveal). why am I claiming?
1. I expect that this setup is a huge clusterfuck, and probably role madness, and I want at least some setup-related info on the table early. moreover, I don't mind outing my role since it is not, in fact, a confirmed-town role and besides that it doesn't do anything at all. I don't really have anything specific in mind for where it's possible to go from here, before anyone asks, I just see absolutely no reason it's worth it to not claim.
2. I preempt that if I was to claim this later, people would go "lol nup fake role". to avoid stupid shenanigans, I would rather get it out of the way now.
also,
vote: Aeronaut
So... do you think it's a fake claim or are you just throwing shade at this post?In post 64, Gamma Emerald wrote:
UmIn post 34, pieguyn wrote:I am claiming backup innocent child.this is not a joke or a gambit or whatever, this is a serious claim. the specific function of the role is that if an IC dies and has not used their ability, I'll inherit it (meaning, I don't get anything if an IC dies after they reveal). why am I claiming?
1. I expect that this setup is a huge clusterfuck, and probably role madness, and I want at least some setup-related info on the table early. moreover, I don't mind outing my role since it is not, in fact, a confirmed-town role and besides that it doesn't do anything at all. I don't really have anything specific in mind for where it's possible to go from here, before anyone asks, I just see absolutely no reason it's worth it to not claim.
2. I preempt that if I was to claim this later, people would go "lol nup fake role". to avoid stupid shenanigans, I would rather get it out of the way now.
also,
vote: Aeronaut
I've heard this was fakeclaimed in Wake's RM game
Just because it was fake claimed in one game, why does that affect whether the claim is true here? If it doesn't, then why mention that?
I don't understand what the point of this post was.In post 72, Gamma Emerald wrote:"Do I know these people?"
pieguyn: Seen them
Varsoon: Played with them
Luna Fox: Seen them
Gamma Emerald: Me!
Nahdia: Kinda
Wisdom: Played with them, but they don't think I know them still
drealmerz7: Kinda
SirCakez: Played with them
Aeronaut: Played with them
beeboy: Seen them
Dwlee99: Barely seen them
pisskop: Eh
mhsmith0: Kinda
How does this one game where Beeboy is scum make him look this townie to you? Your townread on Beeboy is weird, and for the wrong reasons.In post 73, mhsmith0 wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
This is beeboy as scum. IIRC it's his only scum game so far on MS. it's old so not 100% but MUCH different tone and feel to his posts. Beeboy sounds here like he usually does. Therefore probably just town.
In post 83, SirCakez wrote:In post 22, beeboy wrote:Oh btw me, Nahdia, Cakez and Dwlee are an official town block
VOTE: Luna fox
Both these posts (especially the second one) sounds like someone making excuses for not scum hunting. Why did Luna and then Pisskop look noteworthy to you at this point?In post 98, SirCakez wrote:My problem right now is like almost everyone who's posted has posted something townie, but they can't all be town
And I highly doubt all of the scum are just in the people doing nothing
so
P-edit: actually
VOTE: pisskop
My opening was fantastic and funny.In post 100, mhsmith0 wrote:
Aero thoughts? His opening has kinda sucked too IMO.In post 95, pisskop wrote:Vote gamma with me.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Well I feel like at least Pie was questioning her and I feel like a few other people, so I don't understand why you feel like she's slipping past everyone else.In post 109, Gamma Emerald wrote:One that's slipping past everyone else
Misrep, I'm a lurker fuck all the time
[But in reality, you of all people should know that's not true. Go read Pariah's or 180 and tell me that I'm not just an overposting hyperactive piece of trash]
Those votes are literally just as RVS as yours was. What are you talking about?In post 152, drealmerz7 wrote:woah owah owah woawhhahahhh
what happened?!?!
okay, from the top!
I vote pieguyn, someone I don't even know, because it's RVS and game is named for him so I figure, hey, a tribute RVS vote!
In #17 I replied to #13 without having read 14-16, and then was gone until now when I came back and read 14 onward...
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15, 16, 18, woah woah woah, scummy and scummier!!
I took it as a joke. Can you tell me why that would be scummy to youand then right after the most scummy pieguyn vote comes:
causing me to VOTE THEM RIGHT NOW OMGIn post 19, beeboy wrote:Also as a side note on one hand I am incredibly happy with my role pm this game on the other hand I am 99% sure no one will actually believe me when I have to claim.....
So yeah just mentioning this now.
VOTE: beeboy
and I continue on...
beeboy suggests townbloc ppls - scummy
What posts indicate that?I'm reading beeboy and smith as possible buddies as of the top of page 4...
In #144 you said you're town reading pie. What changed? because when you were town reading her, it was still right after the claim.In post 174, drealmerz7 wrote:
everything, on so many levels - it reeks to high heaven, as they say, makes the belly churrrrrrnIn post 159, Luna Fox wrote:
What dont you like about beeboy's soft?In post 152, drealmerz7 wrote:causing me to VOTE THEM RIGHT NOW OMG
to find the words...ummmm....
First of all inherently softclaiming at this point is a bad move. But I don't read it as town at all. Yes, he could be happy that he is VT, and for some reason saying no one is going to believe, but, regardless of any of that, I read it that he means to disclose that he has a role of somesort (but why would you do that as town?) - and THEN goes on to set the precedent of no one believing it when he HAS to claim. The wording itself reeks " when I have to claim" instead of "if I have to claim" - to me little things like that are often (not always, but very often) scum-dications.
I don't know if I'm being clear. It's so blazingly scummy to me. I'll try to put it better if that doesn't suffice.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Firebringer?
Hahahah Wis can be townIn post 239, Wisdom wrote:i iso'd aero
This feels really forced to me. Varsoon, are you scum?In post 231, Varsoon wrote:Nahdia dropping an unexplained vote my direction after Dwlee okay's the wagon is something I can look over, like, "Okay, hm. Sure. Maybe there's something going on there."
But Beefboy sheeping after I call out the Aero sheep? Poor form.
Notably, Drealz didn't even answer me yet despite replying in thread twice, and you'd think someone so giddy would care to say something when directly addressed.
VOTE: Drealz
Stop talking about things that aren't thing game.
Oh please. Wisdom clearly isn't trying in that post, which is NAI at best. You insisting that he's "Cherry picking ISO's" makes it sound like he read more than one player in-depth and ignored everyone else, when in reality he read my two shitposts and voted me, probably because i've made two shitpostsIn post 255, Gamma Emerald wrote:Ya the fact he won't read anything except for ISOs of cherry-picked people is a no-no
Wis ya fucked up
VOTE: Wisdom
How?In post 265, drealmerz7 wrote:
scum's incentive is to sew doubt, confusion, fear, mistrust, contention, frustration so that town demoralizes and self-destructs in a shitstorm of awfulnessIn post 251, beeboy wrote:I just don't see the scum incentive what Wisdom is doing.
It probably is too early to read him right now but /shrug
is he doing that? he seems to be trying!
I was town reading Dwlee. What looks scum to you?
I don't understand how that portion of what Drealz is doing is AI. Like, you're focusing on the fact that he's barf-posting every thought and feeling, but what's the scum motive in that? Like, he's giving stances, so that doesn't make sense.In post 276, Varsoon wrote:@Cakez: I had to see an answer before laying a vote down. Sometimes, shitty scum is just shitty scum.
Look at this. Drealmerz has shit up over half the pages so far with discussion that's tertiary to the game at hand.
When asked to get back on point, he doesn't at all, skirting quickly around a question about his alignment, directly, here and now, as if it were an awkward thing to engage with.
Then, when called out on that, he quickly goes into attack mode against a slot he had no previous qualms with.
Curious, no?
Looks like you're just blowing smoke and making the thread a pain in the ass for people to read.In post 235, drealmerz7 wrote:
I actually only saw it when I went back over (missed a few posts actually) and read, and was like "mehh" to answering itIn post 231, Varsoon wrote: Notably, Drealz didn't even answer me yet despite replying in thread twice, and you'd think someone so giddy would care to say something when directly addressed.
VOTE: Drealz
Stop talking about things that aren't thing game.
I mean...really? Looks like you're just fishing to make shit up too.
Insisting on discussion that's only tertiary doesn't help in the slightest. You want to go have a mafia discussion thread? Don't do it here.
Focusing on the game is hardly 'making shit up', and the 'too' there comes of as a rhetorical slip--either you're using it in addition to you considering my previous question something to not answer, which is admission that you'd rather discuss these tangential topics than the nature of your own alignment, or you're using 'too' to imply that someone else is making shit up, which, in this case, would be you.
Now, please, I eagerly await your half-cocked rebuttal.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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A better way to say this is to vote Varsoon
[/quote]In post 319, mhsmith0 wrote:
this is the sort of thing which begs for examples and explanation.In post 174, drealmerz7 wrote:lots of scumpings of smith,- plus buddying to beeboy on a few occasions at leastlike he's trying to find which agenda to push
It's also strange that you'd see my "buddying" and presume that beeboy and I were wolf bros. Do you think that teammates interact with each other the way that beeboy and I have? Can you provide any examples of this sort of thing this early in a game?
Wolf bros?
I mean, you saying "would teammates interact like we're interacting" kind of makes that defense null IMO
What? How does ISOing a TR get him anywhere?In post 325, Gamma Emerald wrote:He wasn't asked IF, he was asked WHY.
And if he ISOed Aero, why not ISO a TR to get some extra opinions on things?
I agree with Gamma that selective ISOing is totally scum driven, but that's not at all what Wis was doing.In post 336, mhsmith0 wrote:I don't really understand why selective isoing is a sign of anything other than laziness. If there's something more there I think you need to explain it.
So by this logic, nobody should ever post any evidence ever?In post 344, drealmerz7 wrote:oh geez, fucking "show me the evidence" - yeahhhh, cause smart scum just leave evidence lying around on purpose...noooooo, it's subtle and subversive and tangental associations and how it "feels" like you're trying to maneuver viewpoints rather than see them - that is what is scummy about you smith
VOTE: mhsmith
I too want the answer to this.
what made you unvote?
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Why did you feel the need to insert a conversation starter, though? Like, at that point, there was plenty of conversation going on.In post 404, Gamma Emerald wrote:72 was a conversation starter. I feel like it worked, even if it caused pisskop to vote me.
HahahahaIn post 432, Varsoon wrote:Because I'm fly as fuck and everyone wants a piece of this.
To be fair, SC is almost always wagoned D1 in the games I've played/modded with him.
This feels off, too. Like, "Haha, glad we got wagoning me out of the way, amirite guuuuys?"In post 384, SirCakez wrote: I'm glad my obligatory day 1 wagon is getting out of the way early
Because, for later.
Not this time around. Why did you claim extra role utility/power when you claimed Miller?In post 399, Aeronaut wrote: Varsoon, are you scum?
I see no reason to do that.
Do you see a scum motivation for that?
Yeah but what I meant by stances, I mean he has stances on players. He
I suppose I'm coming from a personal bias. I've had a track record of shitting up threads just to kick up dust--Open 512 stands as a testament to that and why it should be immediately stopped.In post 399, Aeronaut wrote:
I don't understand how that portion of what Drealz is doing is AI. Like, you're focusing on the fact that he's barf-posting every thought and feeling, but what's the scum motive in that? Like, he's giving stances, so that doesn't make sense.
He's giving stances on things that are arbitrary to the game--I could tell you all about my favorite pizza toppings and how I feel about getting other scummers to buy me Pizza (I'm for it!) but that's hardly related to the game at hand.
Yes, he's still playing the game, yes, he's putting down some content that actually has to do with it, but imagine if we were at 10 pages instead of 18. It'd be beautiful. All that content and none of the chaff.issaying people are null or town or scum. I'm not even town reading him, but I'm weary of your reasons for scum reading him because they're kind of weightless.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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I mean by that logic I "ignored" a bunch of other slots too, probably.In post 452, Luna Fox wrote:Gamma's right, did you miss aero's catchup posts?
Although he blatantly ignored me during his catchup.
What questions?In post 459, Varsoon wrote:I recall asking a bunch of questions that, iirc, never really got answered. :/
Playing is for rubes, I guess.
If I agreed with your opinions, why would I feel the need to comment on them?In post 466, Luna Fox wrote:
He seems to agree with some of my opinions yet doesnt comment on them.In post 462, beeboy wrote:
How did he ignore you? I don't recall you posting anything directed at him.In post 452, Luna Fox wrote:Gamma's right, did you miss aero's catchup posts?
Although he blatantly ignored me during his catchup.
Are you really complaining that I'm not auto-townreading you just because we have the same opinions on a small few things? Boo, bullshit. The fact that you're pointing it out just tells me that you're looking to have your opinions townread by design, which is a really good reason not to be town reading you in the first place.
"Look at me, I'm going with the flow, I'm town!" etc.
How do you come to that conclusion? Like, the only way I could see that is if I came in, said oh boy that luna fox looks sheepable and then just baaaah'd my way to victory. The issues with that theory is A) I'd most certainly be sheeping Varsoon B) most of your opinions don't even match up with mine and C) undermined third reason.In post 467, Luna Fox wrote:Basically i think he might be faking some of those reads.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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I'm currently at a gas station eating a pumpkin spice muffin. I'm only halfway to my destination, but I was reflecting on how much I like fall and how I'm so lucky to live in a world with octobers and novembers. Ever feel that way? It's just really nice sometimes to look at nature
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Can you please explain all of the good reasons for scum!me to claim that, and all of the poor reasons for town!me to claim it, because as far as I'm concerned, every player who gets a miller role should claim it on D1, preferably earlier than I did.In post 485, Varsoon wrote:Oop, I did miss it. Blame the awkward formatting, Varsoon. Not the fact you're probably in need of proper sleep and nutrients.
Anyway.
I can only think of GOOD reasons for scum to make that claim, and POOR reasons for town to do it, but it is what it is.
And please actually answer this question; I'm not Wisdom.
Yeah. This.In post 495, beeboy wrote:Something between these things got to me
- Town reading me for no reason despite you never town reading me
- "Aero is blatantly ignoring me" when he wasn't really doing that, which you brought up more then once was pretty shitty
- Pandering for town reads using reasons that don't actually make sense (none of yours and Aeros opinions are the same and the ones that are the same don't even need to be faked as scum because it doesn't take being town to realize something doesn't make sense)
- your really bad gamma read
I don't know why you'd think I'd auto-town read you just because I agreed with you.In post 533, Luna Fox wrote:@Beeboy:
I dont think im townreading you for no reason. I explicitly stated that your posts on Page 2 gave me a gut townread.
Yeah I made that mistake, and i mentioned that earlier in 473
I was never pandering for townreads i was questioning why Aero never commented on anything of mine which imo if he agreed with stuff i said he should've had a townread,
You have to understand that from my perspective, you're complaining that I'm not town reading you for NAI reasons which weren't even what you said in the first place. It's very "look, I'm town!".
I pretty much agree, tbh. Me being in LYLO would be really town useful for different reasons, but I think the sheer amount of WIFOM I'm going to cause by being there is going to be more harmful than helpful.I also wouldn't let Aeronaut anywhere near LYLO with that claim, either.
Maybe we won't even come across a LYLO situation.
What do you think she's done sorting-wise?In post 561, Nahdia wrote:
Honestly, I'm not sure I can.In post 560, Wisdom wrote:can you elaborate
because i also read her posts and i cant tell shes town
pedit: @nahdia
It's just one of those things where I read it and it feels like genuine sorting effort. I guess you can call it gut but it's more than gut it's just
she's town.
You can, but you're trying to justify the style as being scummy. Like; I don't really see drealz as town, but your reasons are reach as fuck
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I still would like to know why you think Dwlee is scum, because you haven't said why
So; question. Why is it that you were voting for what was essentially an RVS vote for so long during this game? Like, did you just have no other reads strong enough?
Not particularly; enforcing a false dichotomy is what scum generally so.In post 690, mhsmith0 wrote:
sketchy reasoningIn post 393, Dwlee99 wrote:I didnt like the way you pitted me and pisskop against each other in one of your posts when you said one of us has to be scum.
pointless question[/quote]In post 397, SirCakez wrote:Aero why not claim miller in your opening post if you were going to do it?
I explained the pisskop vote later, keep reading.
Again... not really.
Could you clarify your reads on:In post 401, Aeronaut wrote:
Gamma 64 - seems null to me; why would a wolf be particularly motivated to shade a PR claim in that spot?
Dwlee 108 - that seems basically null, especially since there was no real follow-up on it (had been vote-parking on varsoon, doesn't really push anyone from the observation, just makes it and moves on to a different topic)
SC 240 - seems like a nullish post from SC; what's the clear town in it?
Gamma 255 - MAYBE NS, but honestly seems more bad than anything else[/quote]
Gamma 64 - It's throwing shade on a PR with shit reasoning, which feels kind of shitty to me because it opens the door for gamma to disregaurd/discredit what Pie says later on. More importantly though, I feel like throwing shade like that is almost always scum-driven regardless, because gamma is expecting us to agree with that idea later on, and not hold too much responsibility to gamma in the first place if that makes sense.
Dwlee 108 - he's saying that it's silly to analyze whether I'm town or not based on wagon speed, which is completely accurate. I feel like it would have been pretty easy for scum to let that conversation go for two pages getting nobody anywhere.
[Just a sidenote, I tend to townread people for making sensicle posts, because I feel like while town definitely isn't always using common sense, it seems like scum usually spends more time creating fabricated reasoning instead of common sense reasoning]
SC 240 - At the time I was also reading Drealz as low-hanging fruit and thought that scum would be more likely to just jump right the fuck onto that wagon.
Gamma 255 - Actually, I'm going to fully disagree with you here. this post is awfully sus because it's a clear misrep/exaggeration of what wisdom is doing, and then trying to vote him. I don't see town being that blatantly wrong. I'll give you that a lot of Gamma's posting this game could just be from badtown, but this one is pretty clear scum to me.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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also, fixed that quote ^^
Again... not really.
pointless questionIn post 397, SirCakez wrote:Aero why not claim miller in your opening post if you were going to do it?
I explained the pisskop vote later, keep reading.
Gamma 64 - It's throwing shade on a PR with shit reasoning, which feels kind of shitty to me because it opens the door for gamma to disregaurd/discredit what Pie says later on. More importantly though, I feel like throwing shade like that is almost always scum-driven regardless, because gamma is expecting us to agree with that idea later on, and not hold too much responsibility to gamma in the first place if that makes sense.
Could you clarify your reads on:In post 401, Aeronaut wrote:
Gamma 64 - seems null to me; why would a wolf be particularly motivated to shade a PR claim in that spot?
Dwlee 108 - that seems basically null, especially since there was no real follow-up on it (had been vote-parking on varsoon, doesn't really push anyone from the observation, just makes it and moves on to a different topic)
SC 240 - seems like a nullish post from SC; what's the clear town in it?
Gamma 255 - MAYBE NS, but honestly seems more bad than anything else
Dwlee 108 - he's saying that it's silly to analyze whether I'm town or not based on wagon speed, which is completely accurate. I feel like it would have been pretty easy for scum to let that conversation go for two pages getting nobody anywhere.
[Just a sidenote, I tend to townread people for making sensicle posts, because I feel like while town definitely isn't always using common sense, it seems like scum usually spends more time creating fabricated reasoning instead of common sense reasoning]
SC 240 - At the time I was also reading Drealz as low-hanging fruit and thought that scum would be more likely to just jump right the fuck onto that wagon.
Gamma 255 - Actually, I'm going to fully disagree with you here. this post is awfully sus because it's a clear misrep/exaggeration of what wisdom is doing, and then trying to vote him. I don't see town being that blatantly wrong. I'll give you that a lot of Gamma's posting this game could just be from badtown, but this one is pretty clear scum to me.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Gamma is absolutely a new player. But that's NAI, so why do you care?In post 713, beeboy wrote:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... &sr=topicsIn post 710, Luna Fox wrote:
>When your wisdom read is based on something even more fakeable specially if it's WisIn post 706, beeboy wrote:
I am also scum reading you for your Gamma read and town reading me for no reason.In post 702, Luna Fox wrote:So pushing me for "making a bunch of mistakes and not reading his posts" is not BoP and not Mirepresentation
Damn guess i need to go to the road to rome and relearn mafia wording then.
>Townreading you for no reason >When i explained my reason
Yeah it probably was a bad reason since i can see now that my read was wrong.
It almost hurts me how new Gamma is.
How can you possibly think Gamma is a new player?
I mean in fairness, I wouldn't townread me just because of some convo you had with GIF.In post 728, pieguyn wrote:so here's a point I want to make about Aero's miller claim: I think he definitely true claimed his *role*, and GIF has told me in a private convo a while back when discussing mod practices that it was unlikely he would ever use a mafia miller in a game because he sees no point in it as a role. the thing is, this is a game that was apparently designed entirely to fuck with me.
if I'm being honest, I actually feel a bit more comfortable thinking a level above that and considering the miller claim as town because GIF would expect me to see it and think "o god, GIF put a mafia miller in the game to fuck with me", but that's pretty unreliable.
Varsoon is pushing the same slot for shitty reasons and has been all game.In post 741, Wisdom wrote:what ai thing has varsoon done, cakez?
I really don't see the town utility for you to mention these two things, especially the second thing.
I mean, that's not really true. We don't know the setup of this game. It's day 1. If I (or anyone) is scum, I shut the fuck up until I know who can kill what and when.However, since scum players don't have to worry about drawing a kill,
And that's why you shouldn't still be harping on it, but somehow still are.If you're scum, you'll be lynched before LYLO regardless.
I'm not going to respond to any of the rest of your post for obvious reasons. It doesn't even really make sense for you to post all of that as town in the first place, because it's not like your planning on pushing it. I thought you said my claim made more sense for scum, and that's why I asked. I feel like it would have been really easy for you to realize that hmm maybe that's he meant and maybe I shouldn't go giving all possible reasons why someone would only claim half their role.
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I really feel like Varsoon is a good player though. He's not going around making those mistakes by accident.In post 758, mhsmith0 wrote:As a simple example, I look at Varsoon's 744 and it displays a pretty profound lack of thread awareness given that he's pushing an argument that makes zero sense given what was actually happening. It's derpy enough to maybe be town (since scum would probably know basic stuff like "what was actually happening around the events that I'm talking about) but idk if Varsoon is any good at faking that sort of thing, or is actually derpy as scum.
And beeboy is 0 for 1.In post 759, Luna Fox wrote:I just remembered i promised some links but i kinda need to go to work like right now so i'll do that when i get back.
Please remind me and dont let me forget again, thanks.
I'd like to think that somewhere in the next ten pages, this conversation has finally finished, but honestly, what is the scum motivation in me ignoring you? Unless we were buddies, and we're not, because I would have lynched three or four PR's at this point and won the game by nowIn post 766, Luna Fox wrote:
Except that's not what i did here.In post 762, beeboy wrote:I would love for you to find a game where you fail to read someone's read list and proceed to push them about there reads.
First, I never pushed Aero, i was wondering why he was ignoring me.
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I really don't understand how it is that SC looks bad for pushing this point but I somehow don't.In post 810, Wisdom wrote:sure i do.. Like 20% of the time
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SC here sounds like he's preparing to be wrong.In post 875, SirCakez wrote:You know, I bet drealmerz is going to flip scum
Because MS fate likes trolling me like that q.q
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no not at allIn post 880, Nahdia wrote:
fuck this is such a towny postIn post 875, SirCakez wrote:You know, I bet drealmerz is going to flip scum
Because MS fate likes trolling me like that q.q
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I love you DwleeIn post 884, Dwlee99 wrote:
NO YOU ARENT YOU DRAGGED ME INTO THIS GAME AND YOU'RE GOING DOWN WITH MEIn post 881, beeboy wrote:Luna if you don't stop I am replacing out of this game.
I'm curious, who would you say is scum if you were wrong and Dreal flipped red?In post 901, SirCakez wrote:
Varsoon - his crappy tunnel on drealIn post 897, mhsmith0 wrote:
Remind me why varsoon and gamma are wolves? Ive kinda gotten distracted of late forIn post 895, SirCakez wrote:Because everything he's done is NAI IMO and scum like varsoon and gamma are pushing him.reasons
Gamma - read last two pages
I know, I know, pre flip associative are shittyIn post 898, Wisdom wrote:
neither varsoon or gamma have flipped scum so this is bullshitIn post 895, SirCakez wrote:Because everything he's done is NAI IMO and scum like varsoon and gamma are pushing him
Youre better than this
But it just feels so obvious at this point to me that dreal is being pushed by scum
I mainly agree with this, though. Dreal is a very Aristophanian player in that people look at his posting style and scumread him for it.In post 902, SirCakez wrote:Also I think dreal is a super lynchbaity player and that scum are taking advantage of that2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Hey you have to buy me dinner first, i'm not that kind of girl!In post 932, Nahdia wrote: Aeronaut my token attractive person i know:
Why? RL was NAI at most.In post 937, drealmerz7 wrote:bad vibes from the nahdia post
Nahdia called me attractive, therefore she is town. What don't you get about that?In post 943, drealmerz7 wrote:
that's what you'd think but I tend to just both ppl when I try to explain shitIn post 939, mhsmith0 wrote:
also explaining the bad vibes would be helpful.In post 937, drealmerz7 wrote:bad vibes from the nahdia post
I read it, it sounded like faked cutesy buddying to everyone pretty much
but he was jokingIn post 953, Gamma Emerald wrote: 255: IIRC this was my case on Wisdom. I figured the selective ISO was a lie to cover for himself.
or just being dumb.
Either way he wasn't doing what you said he did
I guess that's fair. I think I probably would have asked it in his position though, that's why I'm not really scumreading him for that post.In post 954, mhsmith0 wrote:
seems pretty pointless to me. It's generically optimal miller play to do it, but that doesn't mean everyone does it, and it doesn't mean that the guy who made two shit posts and nothing else was sufficiently engaged in the game to expect optimal play.Aero why not claim miller in your opening post if you were going to do it?
Also, if you were scum you'd have a reasonable answer (no way does THAT question catch anyone other than a total newb flat-footed), which means that it's hard to see it as a question that's going to lean to any kind of readable moment. It's not quite "are you scum" level, but it's not much better than that either.
Well I just dont know what there is to follow up on, though. Like; He said guyz why are we arguing over this stupid thing, and then for the most part people didIn post 957, mhsmith0 wrote:
meh. competent wolves are decent at making sensible posts. what pings me as plausible scum play here is that there's no follow-up. He makes the point that wagon speed analysis is bad and then stops caring about it. Which is weird because if he's arguing against a defense of you based on wagon speed, then it'd make sense to actually evaluate your wagon in some kind of meaningful manner. Instead he just goes back to "vote varsoon", which if he's a wolf is a nice way to look like he's doing something without actually having to do anything of substance.In post 947, Aeronaut wrote:Dwlee 108 - he's saying that it's silly to analyze whether I'm town or not based on wagon speed, which is completely accurate. I feel like it would have been pretty easy for scum to let that conversation go for two pages getting nobody anywhere.
[Just a sidenote, I tend to townread people for making sensicle posts, because I feel like while town definitely isn't always using common sense, it seems like scum usually spends more time creating fabricated reasoning instead of common sense reasoning]
Now, if he's town then he was just being a bit lazy with the point he was making, which is also possible, which is why it's null in my mind. "He was reasonable in this one minor point" is IMO a poor reason for a substantive read on him.
I think it's silly for him to push that, especially seeing that i feel like if I were gonna gambit even if I was close to L-1, I definitely wouldn't be gambitting miller.In post 964, mhsmith0 wrote:
This part I agree with. What do you think of him pushing the notion that you somehow did it for survivability, despite your wagon having long since collapsed when you made the post?In post 960, Aeronaut wrote:I really don't see the town utility for you to mention these two things, especially the second thing.
Yeah, but besides that one post where he's fanning the flames, anything else? Granted, that post sucks but is there moreIn post 970, beeboy wrote:
I think he is trying to make me and Luna 1v1 more and he has yet to explain his reads from page 22.In post 962, Aeronaut wrote:Beeboy what is the Drealz scum case ?
You really aren't helping your case.In post 972, drealmerz7 wrote:yeah that was all me
I gave my read on the whole thing AFTER IT WAS OVER (so I hoped)
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They're not dependent of each otherIn post 992, Wisdom wrote:Aero, you have dreal, Cakez and Varsoon all as scum
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No. Why would it?In post 999, Wisdom wrote:
Yeah but doesnt that affect your reads?In post 994, Aeronaut wrote:
They're not dependent of each otherIn post 992, Wisdom wrote:Aero, you have dreal, Cakez and Varsoon all as scum
Do you actually think that makes sense?
I'm a guy.In post 1000, Gamma Emerald wrote:OK it seems Aero never adjusts her reads on things she's already made up her mind on.
I'll just never do anything she'll possibly see as scummy from now on then.
and I do change things depending on what happens, but I've seen no reason to change the reads that haven't changed... sooo...
Why? I'm not sitting here trying to guess the scumteam on day 1. I see three people that are independently scummy. Just because they don't make sense as scum together doesn't mean shit. There could be a 3p, for one. If not though, a varsoon scum flip would make me feel a lot better about drealz tomorrow, and vice versa. It doesn't matter that they don't make sense together this early on.In post 1001, Wisdom wrote:Like, when i have three scumreads and they dont make sense together, i think i went wrong somewhere in the rest of my reads
Eh I don't see how
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well, if you look back to my reads/my posts, I'm saying that I think Varsoon is worse than drealz.In post 1016, Wisdom wrote:I dont get this either
Didnt you say youre scumreading both?
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more examples of Varsoon asking aimless questions yayIn post 1034, drealmerz7 wrote:
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Where? I'm sorry if I've missed it, please link it.In post 1047, Varsoon wrote:
I've already explained this.In post 1044, Aeronaut wrote:but I feel like you could have asked so many other questions to get him to talk about the game, such as (but not limited to): What are your town reads? What are your scum reads? How do you feel about so-and-so?
Instead of blarg are u scum look at me I'm edgy
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Ok...In post 570, Varsoon wrote:Town, I'd imagine, wouldn't be so dodgy when initially prompted about their alignment--at that point, drealz was heading the conversation. I sought to drive the rhetorical power away from that.
So you're saying town wouldn't be dodgy about their alignment... I don't really see scum doing it either. I see either alignment saying "I am town" because that's what you do. It's like how there should be one and only one answer to the question "do you denounce the KKK?".
Ok, so he was opportunistic. You could say the same about Gamma but you haven't mentioned him. Why is that?Furthermore, I don't see town being so late in their vote on me. When the initial votes swapped over to me as it was clear the Aeronaut wagon was losing traction, those made sense. Drealz' vote came after the fact, in a place that feels scum to me.
I don't really see how this matters if the other points don't.Finally, Drealz posts against me, while they may be mostly NAI, don't ever seek to vindicate the points I make against Drealz. It's this all-out attack, and, most of it, a redirect of very early points I made against Drealz. This tells me that, for some reason, those early criticisms are what stood out and what drealz takes offense to. Which, likely, means that they're on-point.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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