Mini 1856 - This Mafia Game is for pieguyn (Game Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

OK it seems Aero never adjusts her reads on things she's already made up her mind on.
I'll just never do anything she'll possibly see as scummy from now on then.

[Wisdom]

Like, when i have three scumreads and they dont make sense together, i think i went wrong somewhere in the rest of my reads

[Wisdom]

also did i mention gamma is town?
yeah

[drealmerz7]

gut and tone reads are fine
arguing beeboy is scum because youve seen scum doing the same as him when town doing it is equally possible isnt

I'm not really arguing it - take it or leave it, do you see me making post after post of "omg he's scum cause this?" no, that's him...

it's my view, I've shared it, that's all

but that's not even a fully accurate portrayal of my view, so let me elaborate it to be clear:

it's not a general thing, it's not "this and this happens and it makes it scum" NO, never, for me, unless we start to go into what I call PL territory, where only scum lie, hammer without allowing for a claim, and a bunch of other things

I'm talking in this specific game, this circumstance, my read is that he's scum - sometimes I'll read a GENERAL thing like that happening as town, sometimes as scum, I think I'm going at telling the difference, I'm not 100% accurate, but I'm good at it

similarly to what I got with varsoon - again, is it town tunnel or scum going after ML bait? smart scum let go of the ML bait if it doesn't move right, that happens a lot, I think I've gotten to a point where I can, again not 100% accurately, but often enough, to be able to say with confidence (that's why you see me fucknig posting about it and not...other shit that I'm not so confident in) that hey, scum!

beeboy, varsoon...I don't know who else, pisskop is there, dwlee is there,- interesting I have a lot more townleans this game than I do most games on D1, but, even so, they're tempered with great amounts of uncertainty

[drealmerz7]

Like, when i have three scumreads and they dont make sense together, i think i went wrong somewhere in the rest of my reads

obviously, but you don't abandon a possibility because you know all options are possible

you just keep them all in view and watch and wait and see what happens with them, meanwhile making sure you have a threshold of "okay I can be comfortable lynching this" which dictates the immedate vote choice, which is the first thing that matters and then sort from there

ppl I think try to sort too much too soon

I kind of go like "well these things NEED sorted, let's see how they best sort", instead of try to force a sort

force a sort! wooo

[drealmerz7]

are *not* possible grrr

[Wisdom]

smart scum let go of the ML bait if it doesn't move right, that happens a lot, I think

then youre saying varsoon is dumb scum or?

[drealmerz7]

if you have 3 scumreads you're comfortable voting but know all 3 can't be scum, that is fine

go with your top choice, make your case, continue to evolve all reads and make required adjustements, and when it comes lunch time, know who you're okay feasting on

flip

reassess resort accordingly

[Aeronaut]

Aero, you have dreal, Cakez and Varsoon all as scum

Do you actually think that makes sense?

They're not dependent of each other

Yeah but doesnt that affect your reads?

No. Why would it?

OK it seems Aero never adjusts her reads on things she's already made up her mind on.
I'll just never do anything she'll possibly see as scummy from now on then.

I'm a guy.

and I do change things depending on what happens, but I've seen no reason to change the reads that haven't changed... sooo...

Like, when i have three scumreads and they dont make sense together, i think i went wrong somewhere in the rest of my reads

Why? I'm not sitting here trying to guess the scumteam on day 1. I see three people that are independently scummy. Just because they don't make sense as scum together doesn't mean shit. There could be a 3p, for one. If not though, a varsoon scum flip would make me feel a lot better about drealz tomorrow, and vice versa. It doesn't matter that they don't make sense together this early on.

also did i mention gamma is town?
yeah

Eh I don't see how

[drealmerz7]

smart scum let go of the ML bait if it doesn't move right, that happens a lot, I think

then youre saying varsoon is dumb scum or?

no I'm saying I've learned to identify that they back off and have developed a way to not let them back off

town would have backed off, scum can't

tis how I played it

if he's town he's dumbtown, and I don't buy that

[Wisdom]

uh

did i ask you for your mafia theory opinions

Dont answer for aero

[Gamma Emerald]

why the fuck can't anyone spell lynch
either that or they're phoneposting too much

[Aeronaut]

So why aren't we lynching Varsoon

How is Drealz worse than Varsoon

[beeboy]

I don't think Drealz not responding to me for 20 pages makes me 100% sure he is scum.
I literally just don't care if he gets lynched if he doesn't want to play mafia.

yes, yes, let's lynch someone because they play in a way that pisses me off, even if they're not more likely scum for it. that seems like a great fucking idea!

almost as good as that one time where I went out of my way to piss someone else in the game off, while ignoring the person who can read them telling you to back off and leave her to them!

I would still say it is more likely he is scum for doing it, it is just something scum do much more often then town.

K you where fine you where right you said that was going to happen.

[Wisdom]

scum can't

thats silly

[beeboy]

K fine you were right you said that was going to happen.

I butchered that sentence more then I usually butcher them.

[Wisdom]

So why aren't we lynching Varsoon

How is Drealz worse than Varsoon

I dont get this either
Didnt you say youre scumreading both?
This question makes it feel like youre asking why we arent lynching your scumread and lynching a null read instead

[Varsoon]

Jesus 10 pages.
I'm just gonna pull a Klingoncelt and respond as I catch up.

@mhsmith: I still felt like there was plenty of pressure on Aero, especially with the Pie backup IC claim. If I have my timeline of shit wrong, then I do, fuggit, whatever. Actually, if there wasn't wagon pressure on Aero, it makes softing the other part of his role more awkward, maybe. :/

[Aeronaut]

So why aren't we lynching Varsoon

How is Drealz worse than Varsoon

I dont get this either
Didnt you say youre scumreading both?
This question makes it feel like youre asking why we arent lynching your scumread and lynching a null read instead

well, if you look back to my reads/my posts, I'm saying that I think Varsoon is worse than drealz.

[Varsoon]

luna can this please stop? it's not helping the game

I'm not stopping
beeboy's like 99% scum in my eyes.

Can you elaborate more on this or quote the posts where you do?
'cus I think you're probably both town, though I don't follow your logic nearly as much as beefy's.

[pieguyn]

I would still say it is more likely he is scum for doing it, it is just something scum do much more often then town.

no, it really isn't, and I hope it's obvious to anyone watching that "he's ignoring me, he's scum!!11" is a really shallow reason to scum read someone.

[Aeronaut]

Because Drealz has been eh but Varsoon is has been pretty clearly scum in my eyes.

pedit @wis

[Aeronaut]

Aero's Really Pretty VC

drealmerz7 (5):

Varsoon, pisskop, beeboy, Gamma Emerald, Nahdia

Varsoon (3):

Aeronaut, drealmerz7, SirCakez

SirCakez (3):

Wisdom

beeboy (1):

Luna Fox

Dwlee99 (1):

pieguyn

Not Voting:

mhsmith0, Dwlee99

With

13

alive,

7

to lynch.

The deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-09 11:09:14).

[Aeronaut]

granted the people on vasoon's wagon aren't the best :/

[mhsmith0]

luna can this please stop? it's not helping the game

I'm not stopping
beeboy's like 99% scum in my eyes.

Can you elaborate more on this or quote the posts where you do?
'cus I think you're probably both town, though I don't follow your logic nearly as much as beefy's.

Oh god no. Find her posts on the subject yourself. We're not doing THAT again.