Mini 1856 - This Mafia Game is for pieguyn (Game Over)

[Dwlee99]

With the roleblocking we are getting at most one clear.

[Aeronaut]

dwlee next, I think.

vote: dwlee

I think probably we should either wait another night on beeboy or just let Aero shoot him.

Pie in what world is Beeboy being blocked and there being no kill not clear to you

[Dwlee99]

vc 1.12

Varsoon

(2):

Aeronaut,

drealmerz7

SirCakez (2):

Wisdom

,

Dwlee99

dwlee99

(1):

SirCakez

drealmerz7

(7):

Varsoon

,

mhsmith0

, pisskop,

pieguyn, beeboy, Gamma Emerald, Nahdia

beeboy (1):

Luna Fox

Not Voting:

None

With

13

alive,

7

to lynch.

The deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-09 11:09:14).

This is the prime scum zone

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: beeboy

[beeboy]

I was under the impression we had a tracker.
Btw Luna should declare her night action so if she is NK'd we know who is town.

[Luna Fox]

Yeah sure
I'll roleblock dwlee tonight if the game's not over after bee dies.
If bee flips scum and the game is not over im roleblocking aero.

[pieguyn]

Pie in what world is Beeboy being blocked and there being no kill not clear to you

the most painful town loss I had (or maybe second most) was caused because scum attempted a no kill gambit, on N2 directly after consecutive scum lynches D1/D2, and town not only mislynched the RB target, but they fucked up an autowin scenario and generally cleared the scum as town because his play looked too insanely risky to be coming from scum.

reads are always more important than role info

[pieguyn]

declaring actions is fine today, I think, since it doesn't look like the scum has any obvious counters to any of our roles.

[beeboy]

i have an idea we lynch outside me so scum is forced to no kill or I am conf town.
if i am lone scum this isn't really going to let me win.

[pieguyn]

like Aero, I hope you realize that game I mentioned in my last post was so painful for me that it almost made me quit the site because I felt so disgusted with myself.

so no, I'm not lynching purely on the basis of beeboy being RB'ed when there was no kill and I don't like that people are just assuming he's confirmed scum because he was RB'ed when there was no kill. if you want to make it happen without me, fine, but I'm not.

[pieguyn]

the thing with dwlee is Wisdom spent the entire D1 pretty much just chainsawing for them, and moreover, Wisdom has an extensive history of being very, very, very scared of me when he's scum and I'm town, moreso than it makes any amount of rational sense to be; every single game he tends to call for kills on me N1 or at the earliest possible opportunity where it'd make sense to kill me.

with that said, I'm going to jump back to this post...

the two people who i want to focus the absolute most on right now are {dwlee, Varsoon}

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if dwlee is town, then in this post I have named Wisdom's partner and a townie. if I'm scum and there's a town player in the game who I'm really scared of, and they name all of my partners but whiff on one person, what do I do? lynch the townie with them, try to cater to them and make sure they stay town reading me, nightkill them overnight and try to play my way around it the next day. what do I not do? attempt to invent some push on them for pretty much no reason whatsoever and risk not only blowing my cover but blowing my partner's cover as well. if you go back to 1186/1355, his read on me was definitely prompted by my posts after I entered the game and started posting actively about Varsoon/dwlee-scum, and he didn't have any material to legitimately feign a push on me with (the best he could come up with to push me was "your walls are manipulative", so yeah it wasn't an "I think I'd have made it as town" sort of push), which indicates he was just straight up forcing the read because he wanted to force a read on me for whatever reason.

if dwlee is scum, on the other hand? then I'm entirely fucked unless I bus, which I know Wisdom has a tendency to be averse to, and if you don't want to bus there's really no real option besides attempting to push back on the aggressor and cause chaos - which is exactly what Wisdom forced himself to do.

dwlee being scum would also explain his choice in targets in Cakez-kun fairly nicely, given as I said his pushes definitely seemed more strategic than reasonable.

on dwlee's side, I still think all of their pushes this game have just been bad and forced, and they spent the entire second half of D1 ensuring whatever counterwagon to Varsoon was more viable would get through, but ... /shrug

[SirCakez]

Considering the town power, three maf and a sk makes sense

Ok, so if we lynch Beeboy and he's scum and the game still keeps going, lynch me next. Done, now vote Beeboy

I'd rather lynch dwlee first

I was under the impression we had a tracker.
Btw Luna should declare her night action so if she is NK'd we know who is town.

Hi

[pieguyn]

also beeboy if scum almost definitely doesn't have any counter to Luna chain RB'ing him, which makes it safer to co-ordinate actions based around him as opposed to someone else, I think. or at least if I was him and I had some way of countering town roles, I'd absolutely have used it on Luna N2.

[pieguyn]

I don't want a scenario where e.g. the last role is something along the lines of a scum ascetic or a scum RB, which Luna blocks and falsely "clears". I feel like I've stressed enough that no "clear" is ever fully clear in this setup, but... yeah.

[Nahdia]

I mean, it's also possible scum's kill went through and they also hit mhsmith.

[Nahdia]

Cakez who went where?

[SirCakez]

Mhsmith -> pisskop

[pisskop]

Uhh yea. Im not the bomb. Bomb diggity bomb boom

[pisskop]

*now* now Im the bomb

[pisskop]

[pisskop]

I love how timelessly 2000s they are

[Nahdia]

Dang, ah well.

If we don't lynch beeboy today, Aero should shoot 'em tonight.

[beeboy]

I also think our inno child should claim so they don't get tracked / vigged.

[Aeronaut]

OK so then it makes sense that if Dwleee is town, I shoot Beeboy tonight.

But that's also assume we're right about it being one of those two; if not we're at a disadvantage tomorrow, yes?

[Aeronaut]

I mean, it's also possible scum's kill went through and they also hit mhsmith.

Seems smarter to kill pie imo