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YARR! To Ces.
Awwwwww, Flay, I don't get any free passes? PWEAAASE!?
Anyway, really happy that the content started on page 1, pretty much. Heres a list of talking points.
Obviously town: C_D, STD, Me,
Obviously scum: Livingod, ces, scope, dragonsofsummer.
I see no reason to change my previous personages vote.
Now. The reasons why will come when asked. Particular person by particular person. Some of it is gut (C_D and ces, for instance) but the rest of it is backed up by cold hard logic. LOGIC OF DOOM.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Ah. FTW.
Also, don't you think that dragons would be a better bandwagon choice? I mean, considering he's scum and I'm not. OH WAIT. You must be his scum buddy. Got it now. Also, I make a very bad d1 bandwagon target, because it is not within my realm of inclination to claim to random pressure.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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hiya. People get your votes of TJM, theres a better case on DoS:
This post isnt significant yet, but it will be later, specifically, by this post.DragonsofSummer wrote:GoGo random.org!
It tells me toVote: Pata.
Now, I would expect a town player, in any situation, to change off of a random vote to a non random vote very quickly. Townies on principle do not like the random voting stage, as it is, well. random, and often lets scum force a lynch which no one can really be blamed for the next day(I.E. Free lynch) THis means that I will be taking as an assumption that townies will try to place non random votes whenever possible. I know that's fairly true about me. Therefore, I eliminate this as a town action, because I do not see a single town justification for doing it.DragonsofSummer wrote:
This statement really bothers me. It almost seems to me like even if C_D has proven his point, which I like his evidence more than yours right now, you won't care specifically because it is him.TheJiveMachine wrote:D) Proven by who? You?FoS:TheJiveMachineDoesn't seem very town oriented to me.
From a scum perspective, this could have a couple ramifications, which I believe are all possibilities
1) He could be scum buddies with pata, and is being very mindful to distance from her in a very strong manner (vote)
2) He could be scum with TJM, and want to distance, but not put his money where his mouth is by throwing down a vote. If TJM comes up scum, he can throw down the "Look, I FOS'd her day1...I knew something was up." line.
3) He's scum buddies with neither of them, and is hedging his bets. He could be
trying to throw as much suspicion as possible on people who are not his scumbuddies in order to get wagons going, and not be on them. I find this the most likely scenario, and the 2nd one being the second most likely.
In this post, when STD correctly points out the things which I have further analyzed here, DoS caves faster than Monica Lewinsky faced with a presidential dick. He does something else she did too, he sucks. He's sucking up like a mo fo here, and it looks to me, that Saves the dragons is his presidential candidate. This is some of my main justification for StD being town.DragonsofSummer wrote:
I only put an FoS on him at that point because I was wanting TheJiveMachine to respond with his reasons for what he said, but he has not and now that you bring it up again. I will go ahead andSave The Dragons wrote:
it seems like there's many things that could be discussed, yet you pick this one thing and go after it like pitbull. Then you fos, to make it look not so serious. I am quite suspicious of certian FOSs. Scum can be like, "look, I was suspicious of this person back on d1."DragonsofSummer wrote:
This statement really bothers me. It almost seems to me like even if C_D has proven his point, which I like his evidence more than yours right now, you won't care specifically because it is him.TheJiveMachine wrote:D) Proven by who? You?FoS:TheJiveMachineDoesn't seem very town oriented to me.
Although the major thing is that you failed to unvote your random vote to FOS someone. Why would you find your random vote more useful than a vote on someone who doesn't seem very town oriented.
Oh! I get it! Are you guys scumbuddies?
I found scum for you people. Please get off your "diablo is diablo because his name is diablo" wagon.Unvote, Vote:TheJiveMachineyou may be right that I was stupid to just leave my vote on my random vote, but I wasn't really thinking about it at the time of the post. Thank you for bringing it back to my attention. I do understand your vote on me, and can accept that what I did looks scummy, but it was not intended that way.
Compare and contrast these two posts:
What is this even saying? He hasn't proven his point, but his evidence was better than yours? Now...I did debate for four years in high school, and generally the person who has more evidence is the person who has proven his point, in an argument, so this statement contradicts itself, and looks like he's attempting to justify a terrible FOS and then further, under pressure, vote, which can't be justified because it made no sense in the first place. This makes me start to doubt the second option that I discussed at the top of the post.DragonsofSummer wrote:
You will have to notice that I didn't say he had proved his point. My point was that I liked Chaotic Diablo's evidence more at that point, and that the way you said it seemed like you wouldn't care if he had proved it. That looked extremely scummy to me.TheJiveMachine wrote:Wasn't intended to look scummy? Would have never guessed :p
Anyways, I didn't feel the need to respond since livin had basically said what I was thinking: I don't think C_D proved his point, andsaying he did when I hadn't seen anyone agree with him and I certainly didn't seemed absurd.
But compare with this post:
It seemed like you didn't care whether he had actually proven the point or not. (Which you are right he didn't).[/quote]DragonsofSummer wrote:
Alright, it was just that since you worded it [quote="TheJiveMachine"Proven by who? You?TheJiveMachine wrote:DragonsofSummer wrote:
You will have to notice that I didn't say he had proved his point. My point was that I liked Chaotic Diablo's evidence more at that point, and that the way you said it seemed like you wouldn't care if he had proved it. That looked extremely scummy to me.TheJiveMachine wrote:Wasn't intended to look scummy? Would have never guessed :p
Anyways, I didn't feel the need to respond since livin had basically said what I was thinking: I don't think C_D proved his point, andsaying he did when I hadn't seen anyone agree with him and I certainly didn't seemed absurd.
If he had proved it, I would have conceded that he was right. But from my point of view, he didn't come close. I wasn't saying it wouldn't have mattered if he did prove it, I was saying it was incredibly arrogant of him to say he proved a point when he was apparently the only person who thought so.
In this post he tells us that he AGREED with TJM, which makes no sense since he then went on the attack tjm for the very thing that he said he agreed with him about. Learn2bconsistant.
And that is why it is painfully obvious to me the Dragonsofsummer is scum.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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1)That is currect, you do not have to decide immediately if you agree with something. That is never what I was saying. Nice strawman, though, by the way. My point was actually that attacking someone for disagreeing with it (and semantics aside, that IS what you were doing.) And going on the record that you like the evidense is analagus to supporting something.
2) Those posts were an hour and 40 minutes, and 2 post appart. All there is that is between them is Remus agreeing with you, and TJM short, blippy response. I'm not exactly seeing the "...lot happen[img]" between those two points that you're claiming. Perhaps you'd like to enlighten me, but right now it just looks like you're out and out lying to me in order to look better.learn2btruthful.
3)Even if that were true, you still haven't dealt with the contradiction which occurs in one post. Although, I suppose a lot happened in between you typing the first sentance of that post, and the last one.
I think you're scum. Die now please.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I agree with this post except for the part "I do not think it's likely." TJM's post reeks of bussing scum to me, and I think I would be willing to lynch either of them at this point.Mr. Flay wrote:I'm willing to believe it's possible we've got two scum squirming here, although it's not likely. I still prefer the TJM lynch though, because DoS seems to be making more "poor logic" mistakes and not explicitly scummy "bad logic". TJM's willingness to vote DoS to get the heat off his back only reassures me of this decision.
Look for my response around 6-7 oclock today. I will be able to devote serious time to mafia this weekend, and I will, as per request, make this game a priority.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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1)`Answer me this, right now:DragonsofSummer wrote:I feel I explained well... Here I'll break it down again...
I FoS TJM for his post's statement
because it seems like he doesn't care whether or not C_D has proven his point, (which at that point he had not, but he had some good evidence. You are attacking me for something that isn't even why I voted TJM by the way it just ended up being discussion)TheJiveMachine wrote:Proven by who? You?
What proves points?
How is it possible to have evidence of something that is good without that something being proven?
It makes zero sense in a game of mafia to say "I like his evidence, but what he's saying is not true." That's like saying "Ye
s, you have provided me with a fully functional model, but I still do not believe you have proven that this new fangled invention, the car, exists."
2) Regardless of what you say you were attacking him for, for me, it boils down to this: He attacked CD for not proving his point. You semi-agreed semi-disagreed with him, and then attacked him, with very little basis at all. That's first off, second off I haven't even touched how blatently obvious it was that he was saying he hadn't seen him prove it yet, and TJMs post doesn't even begin to make sense in the way that you had interpreted it.
1)The way you think things work in terms of proof are retarded. Why would x person, having provided "Good evidence." to back up claim y, then have to provide MORE evidence, even though claim y has already been supported? By your logic we have to keep providing more justification in every post we make. I don't think I need to explain how that is logically impossible.C_D provides no more evidence to solidify his claim, and STD calls me out on my FoS (which I explain why it stayed an FoS for so long earlier. But I will again. I wanted a response from TJM and I forgot about it because things in other games came up that I was dealing with in the interim, which is very much my fault.
2) I would like to make a BIG EXTENSION HERE.
A MAJOR part of my reasoning by suspecting DoS is my assumptions on how players approach the random voting stage. This goes STONE COLD DROPPED. No matter what DoS says about why he only FOSed her, it does not matter, because he has not responded to my analysis that townies and scum FUNDAMENTALLY have different approaches towards the random voting stage, and his use of the random voting stage MAKES NO SENSE if looked at through the lens of a townies set of motivations, but makes perfect sense through the lens of scum.I wrote: Now, I would expect a town player, in any situation, to change off of a random vote to a non random vote very quickly. Townies on principle do not like the random voting stage, as it is, well. random, and often lets scum force a lynch which no one can really be blamed for the next day(I.E. Free lynch) THis means that I will be taking as an assumption that townies will try to place non random votes whenever possible. I know that's fairly true about me. Therefore, I eliminate this as a town action, because I do not see a single town justification for doing it.
I vote TJM because he never answered me and STD reminded me.
Already addessed this sufficiently.The arguement of whether or not C_D has proven his point comes up here. Someone calls me on C_D proving his point, and as he did not give any more evidence it remained unproven. (The statemtent in my first post about liking his evidence more is what comes into play here).
Then I make this post:
Where I state that he hadn't proven his point, but three days earlier when I made my first post about it I thought he had some good points. But state again that my arguement against TJM isn't whether C_D had proven his point, but that even if he had it seemed like TJM didn't care.DragonsofSummer wrote:You will have to notice that I didn't say he had proved his point. My point was that I liked Chaotic Diablo's evidence more at that point, and that the way you said it seemed like you wouldn't care if he had proved it. That looked extremely scummy to me.
I believe I have already shown how there is an inherent discrepency between the two.Then I state again that I agree C_D's point wasn't proven.
Now you are calling me on a discrepancy between the last two posts that doesn't exist, and you just keep saying that I'm not making any sense...tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Skruffs, I am FOSing you because I don't like how you're parroting me at all. Its different from how I've seen you play previously, which is mainly to provide cooky theories and connections on your own. This game it seems like you're just sitting around wating to see where you will make the least waves.
I FOSed Remus and C_D for asking for TWO claims, which seems like, to me, like something scum would do in order to make the best of a bad situation. I think what the town needs to do today is decide which of the two they are comfortable with, and then run that person up, and get THEM to claim. We certainly don;t need dueling claims to confuse.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I can support his claim first if that is the direction the town goes. At this point, the option I am seeing as most likely is that they are both scum.
2 claims immediately puts two much information out there for scum if one of them is not scum. It's just unsafe play.
By your logic, people should not ever say any one is scummy, and provide reasoning for why they think that if there is already suspicion on someone else. That is fucking retarded. The whole purpose of a mafia game is to share ones suspicions, and to discuss with the rest of the town to find the bad guys, not just randomly push for a lynch on a person because everyone else is.
Furthermore I would say your argument is ignoring three key elements: First, you're ignoring the fact that I presented a very logical, well researched, and thought out case on TJM, one that was, in fact, much better than the one on TJM. Your argument relys on the false premise that TJM was a better wagon.
Second, your argument assumes that a second wagon is a bad thing. This is patently untrue. A second wagon generates excess discussion, which is a good thing. I would argue that the only time a second wagon is a bad thing is when we are under deadline, which I point out again, was untrue at the time I stated my case against DoS. This is why, I have been attempting to consolidate behind one of the candidates and get ONE to claim, because at a deadline, excess discussion IS distracting. Hence, your actions in response to our current situation seem a tad scummy to me.
Third, your argument assumes that the original person pressured was, and is, scum. In order for your argument to have any impact, there has to be concrete consequence from "letting the pressure off of TJM." At the time, I didn't think there was. The arguments against TJM, at that time, I thought were fairly weak, as he seems just like a relatively inexperienced player caught with some of the big boys (Most notably you, STD, and Mr. Flay) and seemed a tad over his head. I did not think that was indicative of alignment.
Your continued reach is continually noted.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Heres shea's simple rules for claiming.DragonsofSummer wrote:In general what do people get into trouble as far as "quoting" a role pm? I just want to know so that my my claim will not get me into trouble with the mod.
Step one: Read the rules. I just got modkilled in a game recently for claiming flavor when it wasn't allowed. I felt really dumb.
Step two: Get a general understanding of what your role does. If it has a commonly used term (I.E. Doctor, Cop, scum) use it. If not, generally sketch out the role. Be careful to put it into your own words, so that it is not recognizable as the original language of your PM.
Step three: If allowed, and if applicable, include a list of targets which accompanies a list of nights.
Pretty much what you'll get in trouble for is having language that people can tell wasn't written by you, or claiming something you're not allowed to.
ZINDIE! LOOK AT ALL THIS WONDERFUL DISCUSSION. COULD WE HAVE AN EXTENSION SO WE CAN GET THIS RIGHT!tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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He claimed. I think he is the scummier of the two. I do not want to let him off the off the hook.
First, lets get this out of the way:FOS: CES(YARR!)this
is a scum argument. And is in fact one of the arguments I hate most in the game. "He's neutral, so we might as well lynch him, he's not town after all."but in the worst case scenario, he's just a Neutral.
It makes the assumption that because we have a person who is not town, it is suddenly good play to give up scum hunting. It's a really easy way for scum to push a misslynch.
Now. Here's my analysis of the situation.
We have two claims: Something I didn't want from the start. One is partial, and one is full. Now we already have a name claim, (which is apparently strong) we should look at the ability and see if it fits.
My thoughts on TJM: I think he may be our lynch for today, but I certainly wouldn't be too happy with it. I've been in many theme games, and every single one of them have included safe claims for the scum players. Therefore, I see no reason at all why
scum would not use those claims. I mean, you can say wifom, but I would argue it's not, because the benefits scum could get from claiming neutral are WAY outweighed by the fact that everyone wants to lynch the guy who "Is at best neutral"
His actions have been arbitrarily scummy. Especially his responses to the case brought against him, and his actions in reaction to the DoS wagon. I just can't help the fact that I kind of believe the claim.
I'll get to DoS in a second. I have to go eat dinner now.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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It's possible, but I tend to try to play the game by assuming that everyone is playing their best. That way, when they are I won't be caught off gaurd.
DoS: I think he is scum, period. The fact that he opportunistically claimed when there was already pressure on TJM makes me a little suspicious of him in addition to my previously stated case. It;s like he thought TJMs claim was scummy, so he could skate under it. I am pretty confident that he is our lynch today, but I would also lynch TJM if we need it to get a lynch before deadline.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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And then you unvoted when the tide of the town looked like it was going to believe it, and revoted when skruffs said he might get lynched. Plus, everything you said in order to support your position is stuff that has already been said in thread several times, and before you unvoted too. It looks more like you're trying to follow the town, more than vote scum.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
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- Shea
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- Location: Chicago!
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
- Shea
- Shea
- Posts: 14381
- Joined: July 27, 2006
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- Location: Chicago!
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
- Shea
- Shea
- Posts: 14381
- Joined: July 27, 2006
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- Location: Chicago!
Well, I would like to point out that my real name is Shea, which makes it not really AIM.
Remus, I can't find the questions you are referring to. Could you point me to a post number, please?
Skruffs, please go down your list of points against me again, I'm not responding to garble.
LG: Why am I "the best candidate for the day."?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
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QFT, but I'll let you have your hammer. I'll explain skruffs later.Mr Stoofer wrote:Mr Stoofer (my first post) wrote:In posts 186-187, livingod tries to move pressure onto chaotic_diabolo, and therefore away from TJM. Interesting... And he defends TJM in post 220 as well...
In those circumstances I'm not going to waste any more breath pushing for Skruffs to be lynched today; but I will want him dead tomorrow whether livingod is scum or not.Vote Count wrote:livingod: 4 (Mr. Flay, chaotic_diablo, DragonsofSummer, Cogito Ergo Sum)
I want to wait for Aelyn's replacement to post their thoughts in detail first.
In the meantime, I call hammah on livingod.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
- Shea
- Shea
- Posts: 14381
- Joined: July 27, 2006
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- Location: Chicago!
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
- Shea
- Shea
- Posts: 14381
- Joined: July 27, 2006
- Pronoun: He/Him
- Location: Chicago!
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
- Shea
- Shea
- Posts: 14381
- Joined: July 27, 2006
- Pronoun: He/Him
- Location: Chicago!
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
- Shea
- Shea
- Posts: 14381
- Joined: July 27, 2006
- Pronoun: He/Him
- Location: Chicago!
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
- Shea
- Shea
- Posts: 14381
- Joined: July 27, 2006
- Pronoun: He/Him
- Location: Chicago!
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
- Shea
- Shea
- Posts: 14381
- Joined: July 27, 2006
- Pronoun: He/Him
- Location: Chicago!
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
- Shea
- Shea
- Posts: 14381
- Joined: July 27, 2006
- Pronoun: He/Him
- Location: Chicago!
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
- Shea
- Shea
- Posts: 14381
- Joined: July 27, 2006
- Pronoun: He/Him
- Location: Chicago!
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
- Shea
- Shea
- Posts: 14381
- Joined: July 27, 2006
- Pronoun: He/Him
- Location: Chicago!