Mini 1404 - Monopoly Mafia - Game Over

[UberNinja]

I'm replacing Nobody Special. I'll probably be a little slow on catching up so bear with me.

kthx

[UberNinja]

btw, sup Jal. You scum? <3

[UberNinja]

Oohhhh a Jal wagon.

How can I resist?

Vote: Jal

[UberNinja]

I read nothing. I'll need a week to read.

[UberNinja]

MERRY CHRISTMAS

[UberNinja]

Aliens...

[UberNinja]

It's cause I've been slackin' off. Sry

[UberNinja]

I should read it. lol

[UberNinja]

Okay fuck it, it's saturday I'll spend a few hours on this game

[UberNinja]

Next year...

lol

[UberNinja]

Unvote; Vote: Medhi2277

[UberNinja]

tl;dr

Read the spoiler, lazy.

HAY

THATS MY SCHTICK

[UberNinja]

aka: ignoring Shana because she plays Drawception too much

[UberNinja]

Getting me confused with someone? I don't think I've ever played that game.

http://drawception.com/player/7790/shana/

Don't lie to me!

[UberNinja]

I am currently active lurking. I'm also currently waiting for TehBrawlGuy to call me out on it.

[UberNinja]

Okay I more or less decided I'm not gonna read the thread up until this point which is probably really gonna hamper my scumhunting but I might as well try to get in the game because up until now all I've really been doing is prod dodging.

So can somebody please explain to me what's going on so I can begin to play? without being a fucking useless retard? thx

[UberNinja]

Thanks Lurker! You're town

Jal's still scum

Mehdi still needs to die first

#YOLO

[UberNinja]

20

WHOLE

pages?! Oh deary deary gosh!!!!!111111 Even if he just remembered the people he suspected most, he would should remember the questoning/see it in ISOs of her. Fact is, the SC case has been stated by me, you, and Baby has some some vague shit on it. Jake's questioning doesn't count. I have stated the case again. If he is so tired that he can't remember any of these shit posts, if he doesn't, refer back to horrible replacement/scum bit..

Lurker, if you have time to do that analysis over information crap, then you have time to actually interact with people here as they actually say things or give more lengthy responses.

Going over walls and through Annachie's ISO today.

If you're so insistent about everyone reading everything, why aren't you up in UN's face? He's asking for a summary of the entire game after having prod dodged for days.

Uh... because she is scum?

Actually on that note...

Unvote; Vote: Jal

Time to finish what I started.

[UberNinja]

To clarify... it's because she knows if I'm paying attention, that I will push her lynch and get her to flip scum.

See this page for more info: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ja/Friends

[UberNinja]

Hang on, über. Answer my question back there.

I'll get to it... EVENTUALLY

[UberNinja]

I feel so left out 'cause nothing cool is happening to me...

Why is Jal scum, Über?

I just said why.

[UberNinja]

I thought I asked it at least.

Thanks Lurker! You're town

Jal's still scum

Mehdi still needs to die first

#YOLO

How does that make lurker town? Did you even read it? What about the self vote?

Nah. I didn't read it.

Lurker's town because what scum does that? pssshhhh (also I'm trying to get in his good graces since he's trying to get in mine by doing that for me.. shhhhhh it's a backdoor deal, people weren't supposed to find out about it)

Self votes are usually town tho btw

[UberNinja]

I'll help you out here UberDuber:

My 1-shot ability Is watcher.

#307 I say the eletric company is 1-shot Tracker.

Whoa whoa whao. STOP THE THREAD. Did anyone else actually read what Lurker wrote in his big posts?

#307 I say the eletric company is 1-shot Tracker.

PLEASE DO EXPLAIN THIS TO ME, LURKER FRIEND

Truant: "[...] scum can play really well and only make one mistake. That's all that is necessary as not every post will be scummy. All you need is one solid slip and you can find scum.

VOTE: LURKER

LOL

that's great

he's totally town bitches

[UberNinja]

hey morons, get your votes the fuck back on Jal plz

[UberNinja]

The more people negatively react to

three

votes on Lurker, one of which is a RVS vote, the more I'm liking this wagon.

This is a scum post.

[UberNinja]

Lastly, I

just

made a post to Lurker clearing up that negative reactions to a wagon doesn't necessarily mean scum. You obviously had to read that post just to respond to my point towards you. Don't pretend to be ignorant. I haven't even called you a scum read and already you're getting all up in your pants about the possibility that I may think so.

Still feelin' like Xis is scum for post 31?

This is

totally

a scum post.

[UberNinja]

@Baby Spice

Firstly, 72% of the first wagon to get to four votes in a game has scum on it. (Using the vote count posts to determine when that four votes occurred)
So
{Agent Ireland, Jal, Mogadishu Jones, Xisiqomelir} At least one scum in there.

Oh dear lord please show me where you get these stats and how the first wagon actually means there is scum. Also, one of those votes is RVS and not actually a "real" vote against Lurker at this time.

Also a scum post, etc.

[UberNinja]

Really curious as to

where I said that

.

YOU CANT PROVE I SAID THAT

scum post





-yawn-

[UberNinja]

Seriously guys. What the hell. Vote Jal and let's get this day fucking over with.

Doc can protect me, I can maintain my 100% record of catching Jal-scum, and town can be happy as fuck.

Let's all hold hands.

I'm serious.

[UberNinja]

Actually....

I would be

more

than happy if people just unvoted everyone, and didn't lynch anyone until after this weekend.

Wait! Hear me out, hear me out...

That will give me a chance to read the game, gauge interactions, and be useful as fuck (which I just haven't had time to be ... sorry mod and players! I've been working on a dark theme for mafiascum.net which you can see a preview of here ... I promise it's not because I don't care about the game!) so that we can get scum lynches and in general have an awesome rest of the game.

This is a 100% serious offer. 30 pages over 1 weekend = fucking CAKE.
Especially because the dark theme's almost done and it's time for PAYBACK up in this bitch.

Please confirm or deny that you are agreeable to my request by typing

Unvote; Vote: In Uber We Trust

in your next post.

Thank you.

[UberNinja]

But wait! There's more!

In good faith, I am starting my re-read now, and I will post my thoughts in the thread when I am done for tonight, and I hope to have at least 5-10 pages read by that point.

Also, I hereby reserve the right to rescind and go back on any and all reads on any and all people I've stated reads on up until this point, up to the point of completely contradicting myself..

Thank you again, and I hope this will become a long and happy business relationship.

[UberNinja]

I'll read the last two UN posts in a minute but here UN:

If I was truly sick of this game, I would have shown the information above, but I didn't.

I'm getting closer and clsoer to that tipping point in which

I accidentaly out all my allies that I know in this thread

because It went faster then I wanted to go.

Scum claim.

Yeahhhh maybe. I haven't gotten to a point I'm happy with to call it quits yet though.

He DID get pwned really hard/fast in

Mafia Gangnam Style

and kinda sorta give away his scumbuddy in that game too...

So idk. But I'll continue reading of course.

[UberNinja]

I'm guessing the next theory involves jal hard bussing lurker but I find that unlikely so I think she's town.

That's a definite possibility, especially given what he said about giving up his allies because he wasn't happy with how things were going

Also, did you READ the posts of Jal's I linked to? I realize you don't go through as many layers as I do, even on the simple stuff, but come on. Look at those fucking posts and tell me town posts that.

No wai

[UberNinja]

Okay. I like you Mehdi. You get to live for today

And thanks, TBG. It was a lot of work.

[UberNinja]

I'm on page #2. Lurker is probably scum.

But I still want to read the game and give my thoughts before we go to night.

People, please unvote. We don't want a hammer yet

[UberNinja]

THAT'S IT I'M GOING TO BED

LATER, YOU-ALL

FUCK! LOOK HOW LATE YOU MADE ME STAY UP

THIS GAME -WILL- BE BENT TO MY WILL...

OH YES IT -WILL-

YOU UNDERSTAND ME??? -KURT RUSSELL GLARE-

[UberNinja]

Yeah but please please everyone unvote.

[UberNinja]

At this point, if Lurker flips scum when he is killed, I think we should lynch Uber instead of Mehdi. Uber is one of three things in my opinion.

1) A complete and total Troll.

2) A VI

3) Scum desperately trying to save scum.

No matter what, it looks to me like lynching Uber next is beneficial.

You are absolutely and completely retarded.

[UberNinja]

Yeah but please please everyone unvote.

Nobody better unvote.

Why the fuck not? You don't want me to be able to give my thoughts before Lurker is lynched?

[UberNinja]

You realize when someone scum claims you can heavily town read him and then flip. A scum claim does that. And I don't think UN is the type to commit suicide protecting a scum buddy who scum claimed and probably just never bothered to read most posts and kept his early read of lurker.

oh hey look somebody with a brain

[UberNinja]

Funny lurker mentions lurking and who shows up...

Lurker, you just need to stfu. I'm not active lurking, I responded to a post directed at me. You are trolling and are starting to annoy me. Can we end this day already?

Q, save the read, lurker admitted to being scum. He botched his claim. Lets do this already

UN asked for time, we should give it to him.

No we shouldn't

-sigh-

Jake, please kindly STFU and let me read and explain my thoughts on shit.
That will happen before the end of the weekend, over the next day or two.

The very moment I am finished with that, I'll hammer Lurker myself. Deal?

[UberNinja]

TBG/Jal is annoying to read. I thought Moga was town, so this is just another MS slapfight, I believe.

Uber, is your content something which takes more than 50 words to convey?

Yes. Yes indeed.

[UberNinja]

We are giving Uber time. Why the hell not?

Uber, no one needs to unvote given Lurker is at L-2, so shut the hell up abut it.

People need to stop replying to Lurker as he's just WIFOMing. He has wifomed about his partners hard busing him, his partners probably not being around, and about Uber being his partner. Just stop feeding the troll. Uber seriously does this every game I am in. This is what I was talking about. Let him do his crap. And seriously, in every game he starts off railing against someone without actually reading the stupid thread. If he's town, he is usually good with eliminating who is probably obvious townie who we're just oblivious of.

My only problem I have with him is that his vote for me seemed like a very obvious counter-vote to Lurker's lynch. If he really hadn't been paying attention to the thread, why suddenly vote for me unless he had been to some extent? Even if he only read the last page, I was arguing that we use up the rest of the time in the extended day - something which he desires. It doesn't make sense to vote for me just on that if we share a similar point of view. Even then, if he had been actually reading what was written on that page he would have seen the situation with Lurker and would have read his further scum claim.

Actually, it just all doesn't make sense except Uber is a dick. At the end of the game, this will be my new quote.

Haha! I love you.

[UberNinja]

I won't argue this in theory since that thinks too long but how about numbers. If we no lynch we're making the game a night start (assuming no day powers). 13 player vanilla day start win chances with 3 scum (the most likely number) is 20 percent chance for town. Same thing but with night start is 10 percent. Here's the calculator that does this.

Interesting calculator.

[UberNinja]

Leaving aside the sheeping/wagoning for the moment which are in the slightly scummy field of activities, Jal's post and vote just scream scum.

Unvote
Vote Jal

Having just re-read pages 1-4, I totally agree.

Unvote; Vote: Jal

Just as I originally thought. Jal is scum.

[UberNinja]

Jal's post and vote just scream scum.
Unvote
Vote Jal

If it screams scum, it should be no problem to tell me how it does then.

My favorite way that people try to put down reasons they don't like. Skip quoting the reason and ask what it is.

Bull shit misrepresentation as justification for a vote

100% agreed.

I'm not even done reading the game yet, and Jal is already higher than Lurker on my scum list
It's still only page 5, and I already know she needs to die.

[UberNinja]

I'm going to try to consolidate the rest of my comments into more readable chunks.

I'm concerned since A. they're not on someone I think is scummy and B. I completely disagree with the reasoning. On the blatant wagoning it's more of the fact he unvoted someone he was trying to pressure. The other thing is the fact Jal is leading the wagon so I just think of her as a bit better then who followed her on to it.

This is a common fallacy. It doesn't make Jal less scummy, in the least.

I'm going to clarify by what I meant by negative reactions. I more-so meant how divided the reactions are. I didn't expect it to start some sort of big conversation on it, and I'm very much intrigued there is.

This is scum code for: "Yay! We're getting bogged down in details! hehehe"

You're pushing something as a scum tell without explaining how it occurs more commonly from scum.

I'm pushing someone for doing shit all, and yeah, some scum love to sit back and do shit all. You have to pressure people to learn what they are and him suddenly coming in and posting content (and only related to himself still) isn't helping to achieve town status either. You're trying to argue that sometimes some people like to do some things regardless of alignment. That isn't really an argument against my push.

Jal does one of my favorite scum tells here. Not gonna say what it is, obv, but LOL this is 2ez

Want to contradict more? Since my post on that came right after you said scum love to defend people a lot (and I'm the main defender so who else would that refer to).

Main Defender = scum, how?

Really curious as to

where I said that

.

Like I said before, the "you can't prove I said that!" is very scummy, mostly because it's written like "look! hey, all you other people! pay attention! Mehdi is misrepping me by saying I said something I didn't actually explicitly say! scummy of her to do so, amirite?!!"

That's one of [WS]-type scum's main defenses (a certain category of scumhunting I have, don't worry about it for now) and she's showing it in spades here. There are only about 5 players on site who are this easy to spot doing it, but Jal is one of those. And it's fucking hilarious when they don't even realize they're doing it. Hopefully Jal will learn not to do it, this time... (she didn't all the other times I've lynched her as scum... 100% success record on that, btw).

Unrelatedly:

@StrangerCoug

: I read all of Dirty Dealing, so I sort of see where you're coming from. Do you think your perceptions of that game are more or less instructive from modding it rather than playing it? I'm having trouble phrasing this but I mean could you pick up on things more subtle than salamence faking a post-restriction?

Not really. If I pay much attention to anything other than the players' votes or the players talking to me, I make much of the same kinds of mental notes as a player (e.g. so and so's in trouble, so and so's really a driving force in this game). I find that modding

INHIBITS

picking up on tells. Players do not give the mod the same expectation to have an eye for detail as they do other players—you are really expected to keep an accurate vote count, post it regularly, make sure you process role actions right, and that's it. It's a bit like getting away with cheating from a test in theory—in practice, you're not doing the work and you don't learn how to come up with the answer yourself.

I agree with this. I often neglect to read along with the games I'm modding, opting only to stay on top of the vote counts. Since I already know the answers, I don't really have to look for them, so it's not the same feeling. I often don't even remember a lot of the main events in games I've modded.

I think I'll begin to change that in the future. I'll take more of an active role in observing the game, as opposed to just running it solely.

Anyway, back to Jal-scum.

Jal, as the post itself should indicate, by going back through the completed mini game queue.
If the wagon is on scum, then history shows about 50% of the time it has scum on it.

Just the first wagon mind you. I never checked the others that occurred day 1.

I'd like to see these stats compiled. You keep throwing around different sort of stats. Is there a post on this or what? You haven't answered the rest of my questions regarding this also.

"There's no proof that I'm scum! You can't prove the stats exist! They don't exist!" ...

This reminds me of a politician who ignores things they don't want to be true. lmao

My favorite way that people try to put down reasons they don't like. Skip quoting the reason and ask what it is.

That's great, I see that. How is it mispresenting Lurker? How is saying...

I'm glad you read four posts after your last one and decided you didn't need to play the game anymore.

"bull shit misrepresentation" and please don't tell me you took the "read four posts" thing as being literal other than the meaning being he has deliberately chosen not to engage in meaningful conversation. How does this scream scum?

WE MUST GO DEEPER

Nitpicking up there with the best of them, Jal fails to realize that she's actually only

digging her own grave

deeper.

I'll also add that, by this point, I've found out that if Jal is scum, that means Robert and Mehdi are not scum. And possibly Xisolemqr as well. So in case I die, and Jal is flipped scum by that point, don't lynch Robert and Mehdi. I'm less sure about Xis, so keep an eye on him.


Post 119 by Lord Mhork feels exactly like something a Jal scumbuddy would write.
He goes on the scum list too.

[UberNinja]

I might not even continue to give you all analysis in depth like this... it's pretty fucking obvious Jal is scum.

Jal is using bullshit reasons to vote for people, misrepresenting them, acting snarkily "in control", having double standards for activity (when it comes to me), letting sleeping dogs lie (when it comes to me), and banking on the complete and total uselessness/stupidity/??? of Lurker to wipe away her tracks and muddy the waters so that no one else will see what obvious scum she is.

And yes, she is

obviously

fucking scum.

So what I'm probably gonna do is just make all my notes to myself in my shorthand, and then come back later with proclamations on who's town and scum. It'll take at least a few hours to get through the thread.

ARE YOU READY?!!??!

[UberNinja]

If I had to guess right now, in the middle of page 6, I'd say scum are Jal, Lord Mhork, and Jake from State Farm.

Let's see how much of that changes by the time I get to the end of the game.




Mehdi, I see you browsing. I'd like to know what you think of what I've put so far <3

[UberNinja]

Well for starters, I really, really doubt that Lurker decided that he didn't need to play the game anymore and in no way indicated that he thought that, and with a vote immediately following that comment of yours, how are we not supposed to take it seriously?

You're a numbskull or you're scum hoping you got on something special.

Take your pick.

Waiting on those official numbers.

This post makes me want to smack all of you, for not lynching Jal 20 pages ago.

I mean seriously, what the fuck, people.

[UberNinja]

but Jal caught lurker's scum slip so just like I suspected your reads are shit unless Jal is scum bussing lurker for town cred (possible but on day 1 not very likely). Now stop wasting time and vote lurker.

If Lurker flips scum, what's Jal's alignment?
If Jal flips scum, what's Lurker's alignment?
If Lurker flips town, what's Jal's alignment?
If Jal flips town, what's Lurker's alignment?

[UberNinja]

Dude... I'm hurt that you would insinuate that I, as scum, would be moronic enough to link myself to my scum buddy from the first post. Normally I'm heavily against meta, but if you look at any of my scum games, you'll see that's not my style. In addition, that's a weak tell at best. How many times have you actually seen scum link themselves together that badly?

The past doesn't matter. What you "would or wouldn't do" doesn't matter. Your meta doesn't FUCKING MATTER.

You fucking did it. You're fucking scum. End of the fucking story.

I don't like what über is doing here. Why rally a counter wagon to push today when someone already has claimed scum? It's possible he's a buddy trying to clear a mislynch before his buddy dies.

Dude... I'm hurt that you would insinuate that I, as scum, would be moronic enough to link myself to my scum buddy... etc.

Actually, I'm not hurt. Because you

don't

think I'm scum. You know I'm town.

Which is clear.

@Uber:
Why does Jal need to die

today

?

In case Lurker's just being a fucking moron, which I wouldn't put past him, and is town, then Jal, who I 200% sure know is scum, should die today because I'm more sure about her than about Lurker. And news flash, my scum lynch percentage is fucking

off the charts

. Ask Jal. She's been on the receiving end of it, more than once.

And, of course, because I'm going to die tonight, and I won't be able to push a Jal lynch tomorrow.

When Jal flips scum, that clears me, Robert, Mehdi, and Lurker. That's WAY FUCKING BETTER than Lurker flipping town OR scum, either way he doesn't clear anybody or condemn anybody.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

tl;dr: Lurker's not being lynched today, Jal's being lynched today. I'm still only 5 pages through the game. There's plenty of fucking time to prove how much of a scum bag Jal is, and it's going to happen just like it happened every other time. Riiiight at the last minute.

Right, Jal?

Click the links above. Read a bit of the games involved.

Moral of the story is: I don't fuck around when it comes to Jal-scum.

I lynch her.

[UberNinja]

PEdit:
What associative tells have you found between us?

Really? If you thought it was "so obvious" and you "linked yourselves together that badly", you're asking me to tell you what associative tells I found?

LOL

You just scum slipped, motherfucker

[UberNinja]

Lurker flipping town doesn't work unless he likes claiming scum as town. Jal flipping scum/town still makes lurker scum.

When Jal flips scum, that clears me, Robert, Mehdi, and Lurker. That's WAY FUCKING BETTER than Lurker flipping town OR scum, either way he doesn't clear anybody or condemn anybody.

Even if you take out Lurker being cleared... it's still way fuckin better.

[UberNinja]

That's a definite possibility, especially given what he said about giving up his allies because he wasn't happy with how things were going

Yeah UN has responded to that already. The problem I really have with jal scum isn't the lurker bus (which would likely get caught the moment someone decided to really read that post and UN reading play catch up has a good chance of seeing it) but seeing spice as town. And while they unvoted each other the way spice and jal argued doesn't seem like scum buddies and of the two I suspect the first more.

No, Baby Spice doesn't seem like scum here.

And it seemed Jal was happy to de-escalate the situation, which is consistent with her being scum.

[UberNinja]

And we are not lynching the person who caught the scum slip, we are lynching the person who admitted he was scum

Lmao you put too much faith in your supposed "scum slips"

We are lynching Jal and that's all there is to it.




I take back what I said earlier about you being scum, because you'd have to be the dumbest motherfucker alive to play as scum in this way.
Lord Mhork is still a definite possibility though

[UberNinja]

Mehdi, Baby Spice, please join me on this Jal lynch wagon if you're not here already.

[UberNinja]

BrawlGuy, you too. You seem like a decent fellow and I'd hate for you to be scum this game.

Because then you'd have to die.





Anyway, either way, bussing your buddy Jal early will help you in the long run.

[UberNinja]

Mehdi.

Step away from the crazy man in the red shirt.

Trust me.

[UberNinja]

Yes, buuuut, I had already read some of your clueless shit at the end of the game by that point though, hadn't I?

[UberNinja]

I just remembered something. I'm fine with Lurker being lynched, I guess.

I wanted to make one more post though before I vote Lurker

[UberNinja]

Here I'll just comment on Lurker for a sec:

Ok, I see I am Near being lynched, L-1, nearly at the end of my rope and the like.

I am A vanilla townie.

I have A Railroad Card, But It Doesn't do anything yet.

Does anyone else have a railroad card?

The manner of speaking being employed here makes me think Lurker is not a native English speaker, or at the very least, that he is young and/or un(der)educated.

This post doesn't really do much for me in terms of alignment. But why did you wait to claim the Electric Company card until later?

How many cards do you have?

2. My second Card is a bit powerful. It's the electric company.

My railroad is B & O.

My 1-shot ability Is watcher.

Baby Spice, are you Shadoweh? I miss her...

Robert, does watcher even definitely mean town? Isn't scum watcher possible?

Quoted from "http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Watcher"

"Mafia Watchers have been known to exist and have much less stigma attached to them. They can be used to find protective roles (by targetting likely Doctor targets), or to give foreknowledge of possible investigations (by watching a Mafia partner). In a setup with multiple killers, a Mafia Watcher may be able to identify opposing killers. They are fairly solid power roles in scum hands."

Okay... your Electric Company ability is "a bit powerful", and you've claimed it's Watcher, and talked about the Watcher role a bit, including posting a link to the role's MafiaWiki page. I, too, think Watcher is a pretty strong role. It's almost as good as a Cop in some ways, and even better in some ways. It makes it very hard for the Mafia to get certain people killed without sacrificing at least one of their own in return. This can be game-breakingly good for town, unless the Watcher is killed off very soon.

Okay I more or less decided I'm not gonna read the thread up until this point which is probably really gonna hamper my scumhunting but I might as well try to get in the game because up until now all I've really been doing is prod dodging.

So can somebody please explain to me what's going on so I can begin to play? thx

Quick summary (I think)

RANDOM VOTING!
I Countervote saying joke is "weak reasoning"
Discussion about jokes and whether it is still RVS (medhi brings up rolefishing, but does not do it.) #17 - #27
Robert2424 bandwagon takes off becuase "he takes jokes too seriously." (or some reasoning like that) Post #32
for most players, ti is said we are OUT OF RVS. (no post number)
I say we are still in RVS, as I think that the discussion is still weak. #44
Jal makes case on me here, says I am bailing out by leaving my vote from RVS (Or something like that) #66
Bandwagon ensues (Insert "Sheeping argument" shenanigans) Starts at post #66
Medhi calls Jal Reasoning a bit "dumb". #73 & #79
SOme day 1 theory whether to lynch or not to lynch. #86 - #95
Babyspice starts posting statistics #101
Medhi and Babyspice are not both on Jal.
Mogodishu Jones Votes babyspice for her "Statistics argument" #117
Mhork Bandwagons on my wagon #119
Medhi switches to Mhork #128
I am at L-3
Jake from state farm Randomly Says Sup #154
StrangerCoug votes Mhork saying something like "I don't like him saying that early wagons are bad" #162
I vote MHork, conflict ensues. #168
#176 - #187 is Jake getting back in the game.
#202 Jake has scum read on me
Page 9 is medhi and jones talking back and forth.
Post #239 Robert Votes JAl saying " Jal directing Babyspice is defensive"
#255 Jake Votes SC, No reason at the time.
#257 I AM AT L-1 !!!! Things start getting heated. ( He "Sheeped"(according to me) off of Mhork's defense on page 9.)
PAge 11 is SC and Jake from state farm going at it.
I claim #276 VInilla Townie with a Railroad card, saying I have cards in addition.
#278 I say I have The eletric complany card as well.

#307 I say the eletric company is 1-shot Tracker.

Unvoting and argument ensues due to the staggered nature of my claim.
#342 Sc Bandwagon is started by Jal.
Page #15 Robert get Doublevoter Card, dissusion ensues. (IDK why I keep saying ensues.)
#381 Babyspice Uses more statistics.
Page #16 is continueation of SC bandwagon.
PAges #18 -21 Is abotu the cards, adn the bastard element in the game.
That's all I have time for right now, maybe I'll finish the sumary.
P.S NOw that I look at it, It isn't exactly quick.

This post begs the question of why he would completely misremember his role/ability.

It gets confusing when compiling this many events.

I didn't mean to construe things.

And this somewhat answers it. It's easy to make mistakes. And I subconsciously group Tracker and Watcher together in my head too, even though Watcher is far more powerful. So I can believe that he made this mistake in earnest.

Truant: "[...] scum can play really well and only make one mistake. That's all that is necessary as not every post will be scummy. All you need is one solid slip and you can find scum.

He obviously wants the day to end early too. Fact is, it's more beneficial for scum right now to end the day and end the flow of conversation. Also, I might just die tonight for pointing out his scum slip.

LOL.

WIFOM.

Maybe I just hate you.

By the way, I dare you to not lynch me.

Jal's post where she says "I might just die tonight" reeks of scum, btw.

Lurker's response sounds like a fucking weird-ass copy of his weird-ass play from Newbie 1299 Mafia Gangnam Style.
In other words, weird as shit. I can more likely see this kind of statement coming from scum though.

Perhaps he's thinking if he says weird stuff to/about Jal, that nobody will suspect they are buddies together.

And at the same time he's mad at Jal for bussing him.

Singling out people as top suspicions just means Scum know who to tailor/watch/bus/protect/commute/etc. better, since. As of right now, they don't really have the best targets. Baby's pretty up there, then there's a smattering of stuff behind her, since we haven't really come to any consensus. As far as Town roles, Cop and Vidge just need to be on anyone scummy or AntiTown to be effective, Tracker is less effective if Scum know who's trackerbait, and Watcher and Doc just need to be on anyone Town, etc. It's a lot harder to effectively use PRs as Scum.

They may know who is Scum and who is Town, but they don't know how that differs from what we think, unless we tell them.

I don't think Lurker wants to end the phase because it's an advantage to Scum, I think he just personally wants this over.

Scum already know this. They do have the best targets because they already know who is scum and who is town and who suspects them. They know how we differ because we have already expressed our feelings on everyone already. Putting up reasons for who we think is scum NOW doesn't help scum detect who is what power role. We help a cop or vig by helping narrow down who exactly is town or more likely scum. They can choose to take it or leave what people say. We're not going to come to a consensus anyhow, but we will discuss who is probably linked/not linked with Lurker.

I have personally, as scum, ended the day early with an early hammer to end conversation. I have also suggested my confirmed partner to do so in a game as well. I have had other partners just end the day early on their own behalf. Ending the day early when we just got new information only helps scum. We have players that haven't even reacted to his confirmed scum status. That means less to work with. It's easy just to have someone hammered and just not discuss it the next day or take it like it was obvious.

This dicussion is pointless and anti-town and is the exact thing I meant by "being stupid." I won't discuss this further with you. If you want Lurker lynched right now, then you are going to have to wait for Medhi to actually post in this thread instead of in his other threads, Baby Spice to come back, or Uber to check back in and maybe read some posts. Until then, I'm going to go through the thread. Not like someone is around to hammer anyhow.

There is a glaring hole in this, but If I answer it, It will give a significant amount of information to the town.

This is a LOT bigger of a scum slip than the other thing being paraded around.

Saying he doesn't want to give a significant amount of information to "the town".

Jal's much-alluded-to "scum slip" is chopped liver next to this. Just sayin'.

Funny lurker mentions lurking and who shows up...

Lurker, you just need to stfu. I'm not active lurking, I responded to a post directed at me. You are trolling and are starting to annoy me. Can we end this day already?

Q, save the read, lurker admitted to being scum. He botched his claim. Lets do this already

Bro, If you want me to STFU lynch me.

You have the power.

Everyone knows i'm scum.

This is my only chance to talk, so you could have the courtesy to let me talk instead of being condescending.

So STFU and get it done if you actually can back it up.

Bolded is obv.






Anyway...






So Lurker, what information is it that don't you want "the town" to know about Jal?

And if you're town, why are you coming out and claiming scum? ... ARE you scum?


If you're town, you'd better give me some damn good answers.
Because you sound scummy as fuck.

Sincerely,
UberNinja

[UberNinja]

i.e. This is your last chance to save yourself, Lurker.

If you're town, prove it, motherfucker.

Vote: Lurker

[UberNinja]

fucking jake

[UberNinja]

fucking jake

you really want to say shit after your play? lol

yes

[UberNinja]

Fun game, GNR. I will have to stop playing your games though, I only have a 25% win rate in them.

Lol, Jal You were town again. DAMMIT

[UberNinja]

ok, like I said I made a mistake. Those do happen from time to time you know.

they do

i'm just giving you a hard time