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Post Post #406 (isolation #0) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:14 am

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Are those pictures supposed to be worth a thousand words...?

Anyways, I highly agree with the PV wagon. As Tierce stated, PV was trying to grab onto her own reads, citing that he was using whatever reasons she said even though some of them didn't even have reasons behind them. Reads very much as scum trying to find easy reads to latch onto.

Vote: PV


As for him tracking psuedo-VCs, that's alignment null more than anything. I'm aware that in WiH3 Scumgua kept track of the votes (I was reading along with it up till the reset), but similar tracking for different mechanics have been done by town (me with the tiles in Words With Scum, Soul2277 with the cards dealt in Dirty Dealing, etc.). PV being scum or not should not rest on that.
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Post Post #407 (isolation #1) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:14 am

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Post Post #408 (isolation #2) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:15 am

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Grah.
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Post Post #412 (isolation #3) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:56 am

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In post 410, quadz08 wrote:>_>

*replaces in*

*votes on sole large wagon in game*

*comments on nothing else that has happened at all*

Yeah, I think we can mark you down as a scumread.

Shush, you. I'm dealing with more current events first.

Tierce: I'll have to do a more concise re-read when I get home now that I'm actually in the game. As it stands for townreads:

Kinetic (middling town; I liked his theory spec and work toward a good plan. Don't quite understand why he went off-tangent to discuss lurkers, playstyle aside, which makes this a middling town rather than a solid townread.)
zdenek (middling town; his constant belitting of kinetic's and quadz's plan is annoying, but I don't feel like it's scum trying to topple a potentially dangerous plan, just town who thinks his ideas are better than theirs.)

For you, Tierce, and Matt, I'll have to re-read, as your little spat together is still fresh in my mind and may be clouding my judgment.

Can explain more (or go more in-depth to flesh these out) when I get home, but to give a rough outline of the rest of my reads:

town:
Kayne
Yos

Null:
Quadz
Xalxe (kinda)
Scooby
Albert
LLD

Scum:
PV

P-EDIT: Flattering, Kinetic. Very flattering. Wrong, though.
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Post Post #419 (isolation #4) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:14 am

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In post 413, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Voided, you need to explain in your next post how and why I am a null read. Go.

Patience, LLD, patience. I just got home, so that re-read has yet to happen. Most of those reads were rought remembrances from my readthrough as a neutral observer. you, in particular, are null because I need to refresh myself as to what I think about you.

Quadz: Remnd me, why exactly was I scummy for what I opened up with as if I didn't match up to your expectations as a replacment? Were you expecting me to come right out of the gate with my analysis, or something?

P-EDIT: Yes, yes, I get that. To be frank, I agree with Kinetic. 7 votes is a bit too much to ask for. 5 votes for Pere came awfully easy, though, so perhaps that's a little low, but that may well just be an outlier experience. If you two really can't agree then why not compromise on 6?

P-EDIT: So, are you saying that you
Don't
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Post Post #433 (isolation #5) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:48 am

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In post 422, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 419, Voidedmafia wrote:
In post 413, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Voided, you need to explain in your next post how and why I am a null read. Go.

Patience, LLD, patience. I just got home, so that re-read has yet to happen. Most of those reads were rought remembrances from my readthrough as a neutral observer. you, in particular, are null because I need to refresh myself as to what I think about you.

Quadz: Remnd me, why exactly was I scummy for what I opened up with as if I didn't match up to your expectations as a replacment? Were you expecting me to come right out of the gate with my analysis, or something?

Yes, because this game is small, and not a lot happened. If you read it at least once you should have
something
to say.

Okay...given that we're in no hurry to actually finish today and there no overly pressing issue to deal with (claims, guilties, etc.), what's the rush for me to get my analysis out?

In post 419, Voidedmafia wrote:P-EDIT: Yes, yes, I get that. To be frank, I agree with Kinetic. 7 votes is a bit too much to ask for. 5 votes for Pere came awfully easy, though, so perhaps that's a little low, but that may well just be an outlier experience. If you two really can't agree then why not compromise on 6?
.

Well, why not officialize it, then? (though I make 6 votes, anyways.)

In post 419, Voidedmafia wrote:P-EDIT: So, are you saying that you
Don't
agree with Tierce at all and 251 was sarcastic?
No, I don't agree with Tierce. I had no idea what her reads where other than me as scum and Matt as scum, and her Matt reason was he was arguing with her.
So yes, sarcasm.

Ah, I see.

P-EDIT: Still, Kinetic, would you agree that the 5 votes on Pere came a little too quickly to be comfortable? Even if Pere sounds like he's hedging his views and trenching in on 7 votes, it feels like 6 would be best to err on the side of caution.
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Post Post #436 (isolation #6) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:50 am

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Roleplaying, Kinetic?

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Post Post #455 (isolation #7) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:45 am

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(er, I did vote PV, Tierce. Fairly sure I did.)

Anyways, Tierce does have a point regarding your theory/scumhunting ratio. Other than your attacks on tierce's reasonings for her reads (or lack thereof), there's barely anything there that relates to scumhunting at all.

Of course, he does explain his posts 249 and 251 were sarcastic, but then that means that he actually doesn't have any non-theory-related reads, or at least none that he's stated. Sure, 421 has reads, but that's almost 200 posts later, and every post of his in between those has practically been about nothing but theory.

(If it wasn't clear already, I think PV is scum).




Why is it that Albert signs up for games but then lurks like hell in practically every single one? It's completely ridiculous. Can't get a single damn read on him cuz unlike NS (who seems to lurk more as scum) his lurking seems to be for both town and scum. So he's a big, fat, null.

Scooby's in the same boat reads-wise, though he's not a lurker-prone as Albert is. Wish he would step it up, though.




Regarding Yos (Since Quadz asked), I still feel somewhat fine about my townread on him. I like that he was scumhunting and being aggresive in solidifying his read on Matt, and his theory work is relatively decent. Not a sold townread, but he's still town.




Kayne's ISO has been bereft of scumhunting (beyond light prodding in Matt's direction for reads and such). His theory discussion is fine-ish, but it's not really enough to sway me in any one direction, so he's null.




Xalxe's point about MattP's view on meta is rather decent given the context around it, and Matt's response to it is terrible. Frustration aside, you just don't respond to those kind of things with "Shut up, you're not important enough to deal with right now" (more or less). Gives off the wrong message no matter how you read it, and it makes Matt look scummy.

That being said, 322 is a bad question to me because IMO Matt's 321 answered either both or the first part ("This was before Zdenek had referred to me whatsoever" seems to answer the explain the townread part). Is that a good answer? Arguably not. Does it answer the question? Yes.

I'm intensely annoyed with the argument with Matt from 322 to about 334-ish, but I do like the continued drive for Matt to better explain his zdenek read. Matt's responses continue to look worse and worse, and that's compounded by the emotion that is coming off his posts in droves around this point.

Also, I agree with 442. It's almost as if once two people got onto Peregrine practically everyone else who was active at the time was like "oh, yeah, I think PV's scum, too!" It doesn't make PV any less scummier to me, but it is suspicious.

In short, Xalxe is town.




Reading through LLD and Xalxe has given me more or less enough to believe that Matt is scum. Unfortunately, as it seems he's figured out, he's more or less shot himself in the foot and is probably going to die today/tomorrow. That acceptance has got me to doubt the read enough that PV is scummier than him, but I still feel like Matt is now effectively a dead man walking.

P-EDIT: Well, yeah, you gave reads...400 posts after the game started and more or less
after
being pressured to give them. There's a difference between that and Tierce, who has actually given and changed her reads almost from the get-go.

(plus, ISO work didn't really change anything in regards to my view on you, so.)
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Post Post #463 (isolation #8) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:52 am

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In post 457, Tierce wrote:
And Voided, I think I listed you as voting, so...?

Didn't change that with the P-EDIT.

In post 458, PeregrineV wrote:
@Tierce- your votecount disagrees with Kinetic's math.

Well, with my vote when I replaced in it was at 6, so...

(Also, funny how you're avoiding kinetic's and Tierce's posts against you. Indict you by quite a lot, do they?)
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Post Post #475 (isolation #9) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:03 am

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PV is definitively scummier than Matt right now, IMO. Continually misrepping Tierce and Kinetic, still no amount of decent scumhunting. And of course the complete lack of it up till about page 16 or so.

P-EDIT: Firstly, what Xalxe said.

Secondly, it was 6 with me, that's around when the hurts began. zdenek unvoted to make it 5, and so on.

P-EDIT2: Er, no they aren't? And yes you have?
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Post Post #485 (isolation #10) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:12 am

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(Hopefully <_<)

P-EDIT: Have responses, will wait for Kinetic.
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Post Post #511 (isolation #11) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:39 am

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In post 507, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 499, Tierce wrote:
In post 494, PeregrineV wrote:So less than 5 votes stops the hurting, because as of 472 I had 4 (4.5) votes, and a hurt from Tierce.
No.

You
changed the rules.

So you are attributing me with the power to make/change the rules? Because I said 7 votes.

You changed the established rules that were in place. The ones that required 5 votes.

In post 499, Tierce wrote:
You
defended "7 votes are needed before Hurting someone!" and then Hurt Kinetic just because.
Yes.
Was I hurt when I did not have 7 votes on me?
Yes.
Did I hurt after I was hurt without 7 votes on me?
Yes.

So, try again.

Well, by your system. Not by the one everyone else is following.

Also, you still hurt Kinetic just because.

In post 499, Tierce wrote:This means the rules are off. This means you die immediately, because you are scum, and we have nothing to gain from waiting and keeping you alive so you can Hurt more.

Wait, I never made a rule that all rules are off if one was broken. If you are arrtibuting me with the ability to make/change the rules, then why are YOU making/changing rules?

If you break the rules, why should you still be held to them in the strictest sense? Perhaps we should wait for 5 votes, maybe. But you've broken most of everything else at the least, so why should you be beholden to them?

Can't wait for my hurt to return...
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Post Post #572 (isolation #12) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:44 pm

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Dislike Rampage now, especially his "lone cowboy" like attitude.

Yos, I get where you're coming from with the "kill the lone star" mentality, but why didn't you wait until after someone else voted Pere? You're acting like Rampage, in a sense.

Pere: What rules do I need to say Kinetic and Xalxe and a couple others have been saying them often enough that you don't need me to be another broken record, and I'm not going to say them just because you apparantly like hearing them.

While on the topic of rules, I don't like LLD's 1v1 accountability thingy. Unless there are honest grievances against anyone on said wagon, those on the wagon should not expect to be hurt, and such actions should be considered as if coming from scum, if not an outright scumclaim.
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Post Post #574 (isolation #13) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:32 pm

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He's been at 4 for awhile, now. Else PV wouldn't have raised such a stink this afternoon.
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Post Post #576 (isolation #14) » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:08 pm

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Eh...I guess...
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Post Post #586 (isolation #15) » Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:15 am

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SPeaking of, who was I supposed to heal
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Post Post #590 (isolation #16) » Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:20 am

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Post Post #593 (isolation #17) » Sat Dec 01, 2012 1:16 pm

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I know jacksquat about Yos's meta, Zdenek, so don't expect me to answer that question in any way.

I may not have been explicit in mentioning this, but his recent play is making me question my townread on him.
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Post Post #601 (isolation #18) » Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:38 pm

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He's saying he liked the post. Just the post. Nothing else.

It's pretty damn simple, really.
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Post Post #603 (isolation #19) » Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:01 pm

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In 595 he said he neither agreed nor disagreed with Zdenek's points. Looking at 378, I guess I can see where you can the implication that he agreed with at least one point with the "I didn't sign on to every single [point]", but it's also likely it's just a semi-hyperbolic statement that basically means that he doesn't have anything to say (or doesn't care) about the points in the post itself.
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Post Post #609 (isolation #20) » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:11 pm

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Still hurting without a majority by any number? Tsk, tsk.

In post 606, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 569, Yosarian2 wrote:If you wanted to discuss stuff more, if you didn't want to force our hand, then you shouldn't have shot.

Yes, I should lie down and die. You and the rest of the town minority have already stated this.

Only after a certain point. A point YOU
willingly
crossed, I might add.

In post 569, Yosarian2 wrote:And the fact that you're STILL saying you are going to continue shooting just makes it worse.

I said it's up to them, they reach cooldown sooner. I figured they'd shoot, and lo and behold, 3 of them all in a row. I'll await your chastisement of them, instead of the guy that's dying.

Unlike you, we have the required majority to initiate hurts (5 with Yos's vote on you).

There is not a single case on me for why I'm scum other than I refuse to take shit from others who want to fling it at me.

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT.

The amount of oversimplification (at BEST) and misrepping in this single statement is absolutely staggering. It's like you're not even bothering to find out why we think you're scum beyond what's currently being addressed and strawmanning onto only that.

Die faster.

And it's NOT A MAJORITY, NOR IS IT REQUIRED TO BE ONE.

So...we should totally hurt when someone gets 1-3 votes, and not when a good amount of players express a willingness and want to hurt someone?

Yeahno.

If scum don;t have this game locked up inside 6 weeks, they ain't trying. Oh well, it's not like my death changes the lynch threshold or anything!! :lol:
Or does it? Should only require 4 votes for the next person.

Er, why? There's 13 (or 12) players. If we were using 7, then yeah, it'd go down to 6, but if we're using only 5 it's possibly better to keep it at that threshold. That's most likely a debate for later unless Kinetic
et al
want to talk about it now.

Really? We're running out of time? In a a nightless game? Where Rage is given to each town player?
And why are you still talking and pretending to care about what I have to say and still killing me?
Does that make sense to you?

For all of claiming that we're telling you to roll over and die and scoffing at that, you sure seem willing to do it yourself.
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Post Post #614 (isolation #21) » Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:25 am

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In post 610, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 609, Voidedmafia wrote:The amount of oversimplification (at BEST) and misrepping in this single statement is absolutely staggering. It's like you're not even bothering to find out why we think you're scum beyond what's currently being addressed and strawmanning onto only that.

Die faster.


So, the new standard is for me to ask you WHY you think I'm scum?

My bad.

As you kill me, Voided, why am I scum? You know, so scummy that discussion no longer need take place.

...PV, you're better than this.

The point isn't for you to ask why you're scum (that's Thor's job, whenever he shows up), the point is that there ARE reasons why you're scum that have been laid out already, and you claiming that there aren't (or more specifically, that we're only calling you scum because of hurt shenanigans) is completely and absolutely false.

In post 611, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 609, Voidedmafia wrote:Er, why? There's 13 (or 12) players. If we were using 7, then yeah, it'd go down to 6, but if we're using only 5 it's possibly better to keep it at that threshold. That's most likely a debate for later unless Kinetic et al want to talk about it now.

Yes, keep it open, should people start realizing that the system currently in place isn;t really there at all.

You just keep telling yourself that.

In post 609, Voidedmafia wrote:
Peregrine wrote:Really? We're running out of time? In a a nightless game? Where Rage is given to each town player?
And why are you still talking and pretending to care about what I have to say and still killing me?
Does that make sense to you?


For all of claiming that we're telling you to roll over and die and scoffing at that, you sure seem willing to do it yourself.
Rolling over? How so?
I've claimed.
I've tried to provide all 7 months experience with my previous WiH game.
I've stated I've been open to discussion.

...So, that means that's all you've got?

You damage me because you "can".
In post 436, Voidedmafia wrote:Roleplaying, Kinetic?

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False.

Your fake-ass stated reason for it:
In post 455, Voidedmafia wrote:(er, I did vote PV, Tierce. Fairly sure I did.)

Anyways, Tierce does have a point regarding your theory/scumhunting ratio. Other than your attacks on tierce's reasonings for her reads (or lack thereof), there's barely anything there that relates to scumhunting at all.

Of course, he does explain his posts 249 and 251 were sarcastic, but then that means that he actually doesn't have any non-theory-related reads, or at least none that he's stated. Sure, 421 has reads, but that's almost 200 posts later, and every post of his in between those has practically been about nothing but theory.

(If it wasn't clear already, I think PV is scum).

These are actually true, yknow. Unless you'd like to state a post of yours between 421 and the beginning of the game (other than 249 and 251) with a clear attempt to provide reads and non-theory related discussion.

And 25 hours and 30 minutes later, this
In post 590, Voidedmafia wrote:HURT: PeregrineV

Point?

So pardon me for thinking you are lying scum.

And pardon me for thinking you're scum that's given up.

Out of curiousity, is everyone just roleplaying for the lulz, or?
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Post Post #625 (isolation #22) » Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:53 pm

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In post 623, Yosarian2 wrote:Ah, I see Voidedmafia did, in fact, hurt PeregrineV yesterday afternoon. That makes his continued chainsaw defense of him even more baffling.

Chainsaw defense? I find some of your actions suspect. Why does that mean I'm automatically chainsaw defending?
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Post Post #627 (isolation #23) » Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:25 pm

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In post 626, Yosarian2 wrote:
In post 625, Voidedmafia wrote:
In post 623, Yosarian2 wrote:Ah, I see Voidedmafia did, in fact, hurt PeregrineV yesterday afternoon. That makes his continued chainsaw defense of him even more baffling.

Chainsaw defense? I find some of your actions suspect. Why does that mean I'm automatically chainsaw defending?


(shrug) It appears that you are attacking me for hurting PeregirneV.

Well...if you recall, I got on you because I thought you were hurting him without the prerequisite 5 votes. I won't deny that "hurting PV" hasn't been part of my angle, but that phrase isn't the entire thing.

You have not really been able to explain why you have a problem with me doing that, at least not in any way that makes sense, and I find that especally odd since you were voting for him at the time.

Answered above. Also, I'll probably have to refresh myself on what exactly I disliked, but I feel like the other parts weren't directly related to you hurting PV.

because it looks to me like you were both distancing from him and trying to deter people from killing him at the same time.

I'm voting and hurting him, but at the same time I'm trying to stop people from hurting him? Do you not see how convoluted that sounds if I'm scum trying to bus/distance PV? Also, even if that's the case, so far I've only objected to you hurting PV and not anyone else; if your explanation here is in any way true, why just attack you and not everyone else?
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Post Post #630 (isolation #24) » Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:07 pm

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I'm...not?
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Post Post #631 (isolation #25) » Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:08 pm

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Well, to be more correct, I need to refresh myself as to why Yos felt bad to me. I said that already. If you want to label it as a "wait-and-see" kind of thing, that's fine (cuz it kinda is), but I'm not attacking him right now.
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Post Post #634 (isolation #26) » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:27 pm

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So...no heal on Kinetic, Albert?
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Post Post #642 (isolation #27) » Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:14 am

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In post 641, MattP wrote:
I am going to make a statement right now that I have the most important midterm of this semester on Friday and therefore I am INCREDIBLY limited access until then. Thank you for your understanding.

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Post Post #653 (isolation #28) » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:00 am

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Vote: MattP


Kinetic, I suppose I get your view on Xalxe, though I'll wait for Xalxe to respond before I say anything.
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Post Post #665 (isolation #29) » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:59 pm

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Welp, looks like accumlated Rage is publicly announced in-thread. At least, that's what I'm gathering from the fact that everyone but Xalxe's now full HP+1.

Not entirely sure about my feelings on Kinetic vs. Zdenek. Need a lil' more.

P-EDIT: Well, there's a little more. I like Kinetic a lot more based on how the argument's gone so far.

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Post Post #672 (isolation #30) » Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:28 pm

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A re-read?
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Post Post #675 (isolation #31) » Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:46 am

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In post 674, quadz08 wrote:
-Voided is somewhere in the middle for me. The interactions with PV seem town-motivated, but I still don't like his replace-in post. His defense of Kinetic's seeming contradiction is also something to look into, but I'm pretty sure Kinetic is town, so if it's anything, it's buddying.

Contradiction?

In post 673, Zdenek wrote:
Which of his points do you agree with?

Really, the points that neither of you haven't conceded yet.
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Post Post #677 (isolation #32) » Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:54 am

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...I'm asking you what this "seeming contradiction" is, quadz, not what contradiction means.

Why do people always assume I'm asking what it means?
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Post Post #712 (isolation #33) » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:10 pm

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In post 684, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
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In post 670, Zdenek wrote:I think the reason that my actions don't make sense to you is because you feel, wrongly, that if you think someone is scum that nothing that they do can be correct. That just isn't true. Just because I think you're scum, and I do, doesn't mean that some things you say, or possible setup speculation you make might have value. Hell, your setup speculation may be even MORE valuable BECAUSE I think you're scum. However, I can understand how it wouldn't make sense if somehow you believed everything that a person who you believe is scum does is scummy. You're basically following the traditional "poisoning the well" fallacy, and my actions "don't make sense" to you because I am not.


You either think Zdenek is scum or you don't.

It's funny how you use the word "scum" here instead of scummy, as if you're certain Zdenek is an angel, and then you agree with his reasoning. You evidently think there's a SK or second scum group. Paranoid much?

...Seriously, how DID you get that?

In post 692, kanyeknowsbest wrote:1.) "pv is scum for posting votecounts" *proceeds to post votecounts*, her entire play around the pv wagon, 2.)her sentiments expressed in post 499 and general gutness.

1.) I believe this has already been dealt with before PV got killed.
2.) Um, practically everyone who hurt PV felt the same way. Why is she special?

In post 694, Zdenek wrote:
In post 675, Voidedmafia wrote:
In post 673, Zdenek wrote:
Which of his points do you agree with?

Really, the points that neither of you haven't conceded yet.

That's not an acceptable answer.

Well, out of the points raised by Kinetic and contested by you, 2 have been conceded--one by you, one by him. For the rest I felt the arguments were going in his direction rather than yours.

In post 699, quadz08 wrote:I approve of drunkscoob's reads

Oh, he's drunk? that explains how atrocious his spelling is.

Interestingly enough, outside of possibly Zde, I like his townreads.

In post 705, scooby wrote:
In post 700, kanyeknowsbest wrote:yah scoobers is town i forget why i had him as town before but it doesnt matter nemore. ur wrong abt matt tho.

why do u think yos is scum scoobs?

STRATEGIC POSTING, LURKINESS, EXCESIVE APOLOGIZING, HIS CASES SUCK DICK, NOT NORMLA TOWN YOSA, HE BUSSDE MATTP WHEN HE WAS HATED THEN SWTICHED TO SOME DUDE, ETC

Where's the third one, out of curiousity?
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Or, to be slightly tl;dr: Being scummy doesn't always mean bad logic?
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discrediting the arguer is ad hom. Given the circumstances it'd most likely be Ad hom Circumstancial (wherein the other person, which would be Kinetic from zde's PoV, has an ulterior motive for making certain claims).
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Post Post #727 (isolation #36) » Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:57 pm

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In post 725, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 716, Voidedmafia wrote:Or, to be slightly tl;dr: Being scummy doesn't always mean bad logic?


First of all, thank you because I didn't read the post above. Second of all, scum =/ scummy.

And with that,
Unvote MattP, vote Kinetic
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FOS quadz

Scum, scummy, it's semantics here. Regardless of how scummy Kinetic viewed Zdenek, the simple condition of zde being scum to him does not immediately invalidate everything Zde says for the rest of the game.

Of course, whether or not Kinetic's views are even correct is a different matter entirely, but that's not the subject here.

Zde: Um, isn't what Kinetic said what people here usually do to other's arguments in the first place?
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Post Post #730 (isolation #37) » Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:52 pm

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Kinetic is saying, "Zde did A, B, and C. I think this is scummy because X, Y, and Z." That's not misrepresenting you at all, but Kinetic positing what he believes to be the outcome of events. That's what we do on MS all the time.

If he was, it'd probably go like be like: You did A, B, and C. Kinetic says in response, "So you did D. I think this is scummy because X, Y, Z" Where "D" can be a conglomeration of more than one of the three points, or some kind of erroneous assumption about A, B, and/or C. That would be misintepreting you.
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Post Post #752 (isolation #38) » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:09 am

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Vote: Zdenek


He is very clearly the loser in this argument on all current fronts. Quadz gets some townpoints for pointing out the sidestepping Zde did.
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Post Post #754 (isolation #39) » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:15 am

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Z, what part of "all current fronts' do you not understand? If you don't, I'll kindaly walk you through it like a 5-year-old if I'm able to after work.

Also, I like him more because everything he says makes sense?
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Post Post #778 (isolation #40) » Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:23 pm

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In post 776, Zdenek wrote:
In post 773, Kinetic wrote:
In post 762, kanyeknowsbest wrote:hey kinetic im gonna be honest i didnt read any of your guys idiot wall can u please sum up for me why zd is scum.


Continues to not scum hunt, has simply focused solely on me to the exclusion of the whole game.

False. I'm not even voting you.

Even though the majority of the posts you've made so far (or even almost every one) has been about Kinetic in some way, shape, or form? You don't need to be voting/hurting someone for his statement to be true, and I honestly fail to see why such a condition is needed.

Tierce, remind me how the way Zdenek is "scumhunting" is enough to obvtown him in your eyes.
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The only games I'm acutely aware of his meta on are either ongoing or painfully long Large Themes that I'd rather not read just for that.
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Post Post #799 (isolation #42) » Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:19 pm

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In post 798, MattP wrote:Thanks guys for being patient. My exam is over and tomorrow is all day mafia catchup.

I sure hope you did well, Matt.
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Post Post #807 (isolation #43) » Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:12 am

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Psst. Scooby.

You're not that town.

Here's your reality check. You're welcome.

Zde: A.) I've been reading them (why else would I even be able to say that I think Kinetic's winning otherwise), B.) If you want to admit that your push failed, just SAY SO.

That being said, #802 has a fair point. Zdenek never mentioned Yos's lack of posting as a reason for voting him as far as I can tell.
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Post Post #882 (isolation #44) » Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:30 am

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In post 820, scooby wrote:
In post 817, MattP wrote:In fact it would have made NO sense for you to call me out on that the way you did unless you thought it was a scumslip or you were trying to incriminate me, so I want to you explicitly state why it was a scumslip.

SCUM

UNVOTE VOTE MATTP

...Scooby, stop being this goddamn stupid. PLEASE PLEASE tell me how the hell you get scum out of that post that isn't from you being drunk or crazy.

I have no idea why practically everyone banded up on Matt instead of ABR. None of his replies to Matt look town in the slightest; none of his posts after that have any sort of town mindset in regards to explaining things or responding right. And, of course, there's this little gem:

In post 837, Albert B. Rampage wrote:HURT: MattP

Die with honor


Unless I missed a vote on Matt after PV died, why did no one back up and actually question this action and the rulebreaking within?

In post 847, kanyeknowsbest wrote:
heal mattp


no seriously guys. matts town.

Listen to this voice of reason (though my townread on Matt only just came up because of this).

In post 873, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Matt: Yes, you do have a case, based on me 1) not understanding the plans and 2) not defending PeregrineV. The rest is you trying too hard to get out of a bad spot you put yourself in from choosing to come after me instead of distancing from your buddies.

1 is a blatant misrep.

2 is more or less agreeing with you.

The rest is kinda explaining yourself, too.

In post 878, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
You not understanding rage IS scummy. We played War in Heaven before, remember? You have no excuse to not know about rage.

You also have no excuse for not understanding how rage is used in THIS WiH, either.

The plans are tedious to implement and usually formulated by scum to look pro-town.

...Lol. Even if you're only just referring to WiH games, this is hilarious.

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In post 883, MattP wrote:THANK

FUCKING

GOD

That for me?
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Post Post #898 (isolation #46) » Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:33 pm

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For Zdenek, are you ignoring the recent spat between him and Kinetic, or have you not actually read that?
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Post Post #909 (isolation #47) » Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:43 am

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Spoiler: Hey, LLD, does this looks good from ABR?
In post 812, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 810, MattP wrote:1) Kinetic, Yos, and Zdenek are town. I greatly foresee town pushing through me, Zdenek and Yos as the next three mislynches. I will defend them vehemently. I will be coming up with my Zdenek is town case first to get back to whoever asked me about that


Town will push for mislynches? I'm confused. Don't you mean scum, Matt?


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In post 812, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 810, MattP wrote:1) Kinetic, Yos, and Zdenek are town. I greatly foresee town pushing through me, Zdenek and Yos as the next three mislynches. I will defend them vehemently. I will be coming up with my Zdenek is town case first to get back to whoever asked me about that


Town will push for mislynches? I'm confused. Don't you mean scum, Matt?

Hey ABR suppose I really meant town. Explain how that's a scumslip


Yeah, maybe Matt needs to work on a case. However, you're conveniently ignoring how ABR completely sidesteps Matt's question to 812 and instead asks about a case when that point isn't even related to what Matt brought up. Do kindly explain how this is less important than "OH NOES MATT HAZ NO CASE!"
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Cuz I'm dumb and forget quotes wrote:
Spoiler: Hey, LLO, does this look good for ABR?
In post 812, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 810, MattP wrote:1) Kinetic, Yos, and Zdenek are town. I greatly foresee town pushing through me, Zdenek and Yos as the next three mislynches. I will defend them vehemently. I will be coming up with my Zdenek is town case first to get back to whoever asked me about that


Town will push for mislynches? I'm confused. Don't you mean scum, Matt?


In post 813, MattP wrote:
In post 812, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 810, MattP wrote:1) Kinetic, Yos, and Zdenek are town. I greatly foresee town pushing through me, Zdenek and Yos as the next three mislynches. I will defend them vehemently. I will be coming up with my Zdenek is town case first to get back to whoever asked me about that


Town will push for mislynches? I'm confused. Don't you mean scum, Matt?

Hey ABR suppose I really meant town. Explain how that's a scumslip


In post 814, Albert B. Rampage wrote:How about that case you promised?


In post 815, MattP wrote:
In post 814, Albert B. Rampage wrote:How about that case you promised?
How about you answer my question?


Yeah, maybe Matt needs to work on a case. However, you're conveniently ignoring how ABR completely sidesteps Matt's question to 812 and instead asks about a case when that point isn't even related to what Matt brought up. Do kindly explain how this is less important than "OH NOES MATT HAZ NO CASE!"


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So you don't find ABR sidestepping Matt's question about his comment on that post to be scummy at all? Also, I do think there's a good amount of implied scumminess ABR is trying to put on Matt with 812.

Also, it's kinda stupid to ask for a case when Matt already said he would get to it, so.
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Post Post #914 (isolation #50) » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:09 am

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...Not when A.) It sidesteps a good question to ask, and B.) said pressure is irrelevant given certain words the pressured (Matt) said.
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Post Post #916 (isolation #51) » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:18 am

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A.) It is a good question. Granted, asking if ABR's calling it a scumslip is a bit much, but questioning why ABR made that statement is good.
B.) ...Okay. Well, considering that Matt actually delivered (and seemingly not because of ABR's "pressure"), what does that change?
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Post Post #985 (isolation #52) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:17 pm

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In post 944, Tierce wrote:Because I woke up three hours ago and your post reminded that this game exists and that you are scum.

Matt is not scum. Or at least not scummy enough to hurt to death this Epoch.

In post 948, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 812, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 810, MattP wrote:1) Kinetic, Yos, and Zdenek are town. I greatly foresee town pushing through me, Zdenek and Yos as the next three mislynches. I will defend them vehemently. I will be coming up with my Zdenek is town case first to get back to whoever asked me about that


Town will push for mislynches? I'm confused. Don't you mean scum, Matt?


This is a clarification to clear up whether he claims his wagon is being pushed by townies or by scum...

And yet when asked as to what you meant (if in a roundabout way), you sidestep the question, avoid actually clarifying your stance until now, and instead pester him about cases...

In post 950, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Then lynch MattP! He probably thought he was finished and has nothing to lose so he suddenly started appearing more townie due to his appeal to emotions, and to his credit, he was able to convince void, but goddamn is he scum.

FYI the AtE never "convinced" me. I believe he's town based on what he's said (though how he said it may have played a role in better solidifying that townread).

In post 952, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Matt is a top player...just remember that. If he can talk his way past Yosarian, he's not someone you take lightly.

He fully knows how to "work the town" and act like he has nothing to lose. Saying things like "I lost hope in this town", I can't describe in words how wrong it comes across. It's a practiced and methodical spiel. Lynch the little manipulator before he can squeeze his way out of it.

So...Appeal to Fear, now, is it? Funny how you accuse Matt of using AtE to "convince" people/me, yet use what amounts to AtE to get people on his wagon anyways.

In post 956, Kinetic wrote:Void, Quadz, give me an idea how you feel about Zd, Xalxe, and Scooby.

zd: Still scummy. His arguments with you never sat right with me as I've stated before, and his sudden jump to Yos is suspicious and scummy as all hell. I'd be satisfied with lynching him, Scooby, or ABR.

Xalxe: ...I admittedly forgot if I thought he was town or scum. The continued pushing on matt as scum still looks bad, but it's not really scummy-bad from what I recall in comparison to, say, LLD or Scooby.

Scooby: Either scum or fucking useless. I mean, I know people like Fate like to shout "HEY YOU FUCKERS I'M TOWN AS SHIT!" as much as possible sometimes, but at least they have some kind of substance to reasonably back it up. Scooby has none of that. Plus his reasons for voting Matt are scummy, too.

In post 966, Kinetic wrote:I'm not sure about the MattP wagon still, and I'm pretty sure Albert is being attacked because of his style of play, not his scumminess, so I'm looking down my list of suspects

I think I'm attacking him for scumminess and not playstyle, though. If I'm not, by all means please show me.

I also think ScumScooby pretty much clears MattP in my mind.

I can agree with this logic.

In post 969, Albert B. Rampage wrote:He was away for a large part of the game, he came back, doesn't seem to have read the thread. Instead, he iso'd my posts and proclaimed I was scum. Much easier to do when you're looking for an innocent to slaughter than when you're trying to find scum. I think I understand his mind and how he acts.

But he also ISO'd me and a couple other people...?

In post 973, MattP wrote:
In post 957, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I must say I'm surprised you're not all over me as well, Kinetic. You can feel how rusty I am? lol

Unvote

VOTE: Xalxe

...whawhuh?

In post 978, MattP wrote:Ok let me get even more specific. There is NO WAY at the moment I unvoted that I couldn't have been cognizant of the fact that it could easily be used against me given my caliber. Yet I still unvoted because I genuinely considered it incredibly town. So fill in the blanks. At absolute worse you could consider my unvote wifom coming from scum.

You're gonna have to explain the town motivation in that post. Granted, it doesn't feel like there's scum motivation, but I don't see the towniness in it, either.

In post 984, quadz08 wrote:Ugh. Self-meta.

I hate playstyles that grate me and are anti-town in my eyes, because it makes me read them as scum. Always. I can't not have those reads.

That's part of the reason why this game is so frustrating for me.

This game in particular or mafia in general?
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Post Post #989 (isolation #53) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:53 pm

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Half-tempted to test you on that.

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Post Post #992 (isolation #54) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:37 pm

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These constant Slumber slip-ups do amuse me so.

I was asking if you got something similar to me. Not that you have to say what it is, just if you have it.

(Oh, and zdenek, it was already explained by someone; Quadz, I think. Go look back at when you voted Yos and then search the posts afterwards and you'll find it.)
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Post Post #995 (isolation #55) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:04 pm

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Aw, phooey :p.

Though, while I"m glad that you think ABR's town, and I do think you're town, my read on you isn't strong enough to trust you on that front. ABR's still scum for me.

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Post Post #1042 (isolation #56) » Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:25 pm

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In post 1038, MattP wrote:Before we start hurting I want to assign three townreads to do the hurting.

KANYE, ABR and VM are obvtown and I vote them.

But I'm not voting Scooby?
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Post Post #1050 (isolation #57) » Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:08 pm

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In post 1025, Zdenek wrote:
In post 992, Voidedmafia wrote:(Oh, and zdenek, it was already explained by someone; Quadz, I think. Go look back at when you voted Yos and then search the posts afterwards and you'll find it.)

Voided, I want to get a read on you, so I want you to actually explain some of the the things I've asked you to.

Well, what you asked me about has already been explained. I even gave you a roadmap to its general location. Please be a dear and actually use it.

As for anything else, I said that kinetic looked better on all current points. That means that he looked better than you on every single point up to when I said that that hadn't beeen conceded by either one of you. It's redudant to actually say which points because "all current points"
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what it fucking says.

If you want me to be a bit deeper into why I liked all of his replies, it's because his posts, if comparatively angrier than yours, read as pretty darn rational and genuine. As for you, while some of your responses may have been genuine, none of it really felt right to me as an attack--or defense. Sure, you were defending yourself--and I suppose on an almost purely logical front with what I recall you may have been even with Kinetic--but it just felt like defense for the sake of defense, not defense to prove that you were actually town or defense to really try and prove kinetic's attacks as baseless, false, and at the core scummy.

In post 1031, Zdenek wrote:
Where the fuck did I say that I did everything right? What the fuck is wrong with you? In this game, I've tried to move on from tunneling on Kinetic. Jesus Christ.

*main point of the post was to learn from mistakes*

*zdenek focuses only on the part about "not doing everything right"*

Selective reading blinders on, much?

In post 1035, Yosarian2 wrote:I will say that if Scooby flips scum, then Zdenek might actually be town. The fact that Scooby called Zdenek town for most of the game, but then changed it to"third party" in response to Zdenek attacking him, makes me think "Scooby-scum, Zdenek-not scum with Scooby".

Okay, interesting a point this may be, why bring it up now, and why bring it up the way you did?

In post 1043, quadz08 wrote:
In post 1038, MattP wrote:Before we start hurting I want to assign three townreads to do the hurting.

KANYE, ABR and VM are obvtown and I vote them.


I think the logic here is solid, but I dunno if we'll find a good number of common townreads to do it. I'm worried that 3 is rather slow... I'm not sure if that actually matters or not, though.

fwiw, my 3 votes are Kanye, VM, and Tierce.

Just going off both of yours anc utting out any duplicates, that's four (Kanye, myself, ABR, and Tierce). Add in Kinetic at the least (and Matt and Quadz to a lesser extent) from my own and there's a 5-7-group bloc of townreads hurting.

In post 1044, MattP wrote:
In post 1042, Voidedmafia wrote:But I'm not voting Scooby?

That doesn't matter? What matters is that you are the hurter because you're obvtown regardless of your read on him. Otherwise you're allowing someone else to hurt him that you don't know the alignment of, which would be stupid and anti-town

That's fine and all, but I thought the plan dictated that only those on the wagon hurt that person? Even with Scooby's near-uselessness, I stilll feel like there's better pickings on others like zdenek.

In post 1046, kanyeknowsbest wrote:scooby is town. wth matt?

No he is fucking not. You are terrible if you think Scooby's play is town in any way.
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Post Post #1059 (isolation #58) » Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:58 am

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In post 1058, quadz08 wrote:That particular hydra-slip was confusing. 0.o

But it's more amusing!

In post 1052, Yosarian2 wrote:
In post 1050, Voidedmafia wrote:
In post 1035, Yosarian2 wrote:I will say that if Scooby flips scum, then Zdenek might actually be town. The fact that Scooby called Zdenek town for most of the game, but then changed it to"third party" in response to Zdenek attacking him, makes me think "Scooby-scum, Zdenek-not scum with Scooby".

Okay, interesting a point this may be, why bring it up now, and why bring it up the way you did?


This is kind of an odd question. If I have an observation that affects my read on someone's alignment, especially someone I've been attacking all day, then why wouldn't I share it?

It just felt odd to me.
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Post Post #1136 (isolation #59) » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:49 pm

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In post 1071, Zdenek wrote:
In post 1050, Voidedmafia wrote:it just felt like defense for the sake of defense, not defense to prove that you were actually town or defense to really try and prove kinetic's attacks as baseless, false, and at the core scummy.

What makes you think this?

I mean, yeah, you hurled accusations at him and such, but none of really felt like you were trying to push the angles, just throwing stuff and hoping something stuck--which, unfortunately for you, nothing really did.

You did follow my roadmap, yes?

In post 1074, Yosarian2 wrote:Ok. We just got rage again, which means that everyone now has 3 rage points. Scum might have more, if they get rage for killing people.

This puts us into dangerous terratory, where scum might be able to ragedump and kill someone. I would like to suggest that we should have everyone who is considered suspicious, everyone who has been voted for today (which should be me, MattP, Kinetic, and Albert; I think that's it, if I missed anyone let me know) dump their rage on Scooby as soon as we decide to kill him. We should do it one by one, and then Flay's damage count should let us keep track of that.

This does two things. If we can make one or two scum dump all their rage, then that should make it impossible for them to just ragedump and kill someone in the near future. Also, if we do this and then the scum ragedump, it should be much easier to figure out who it is by process of elimination.

Am I missing anything here, or is this a good plan?

It looks decent enough to me (not that I'm a good judge of plans).

In post 1078, Kinetic wrote:Hell, Albert is on the list of "super townies" too. Heh.

Wait, what--oh, right, Matt's list of super townies.

In post 1099, MattP wrote:Actually Scooby was very fencesitty with LLD all game, I think it was Xalxe and Tierce that were super fans of LLD

Tierce very well could've. Most I remember from Xalxe in the early game was him kinda sucking up to Tierce and raging for your death.

In post 1098, Zdenek wrote:I'd ask you why you've changed your mind on KKB.

Preeeeetty sure he was joking there. Could be wrong.

In post 1100, MattP wrote:Let me try to organize my thoughts about kanye, but regardless of how I feel about him this is already a won town game as long as we agree that Zdenek, Yos, myself, Kinetic, ABR, and VM are never touched. I'm starting to really warm up to LLD town too, lemme go over her

Having zde and ABR on this list makes me twitch. So does the possibility of LLD being on there.

In post 1122, MattP wrote:This actually literally confirms Kinetic as town

Like as far as I'm concerned he's as good as an innocent child

Makes me feel better about him, yeah. Not to the point of him being conftown, though.

On the other hand, Yos is still pretty brazen to come out with a plan like that as town or as scum. I mean, if it does go through and at the very least he is put as one of the dumpers, he's effectively fucking himself over in regards to rage (yeah, he may or may not get rage back IF Scooby flips town, but I doubt that it'll be enough of a refund at this point), and moreso to his supposed scumteam if one of the poeple he initially suggested (or of those added on) are also scum. Perhaps there's a small safety net here if Scooby is town (even if the potential rage refund is small, any scum in the dump category would still have some plus any scum that didn't have to rage dump) or if a scum is someone who is the 4th dumper (and thus has a chance of not actually using up all of his/her rage), but either one seem like farfetched, lucky-guess-type safety nets.

Tl;dr: I don't feel the same as Kinetic about Yos's plan or events surrounding it. I do find Kinetic's paranoia around any potential scum utility and such to be very town.

*sees Fate come in*

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Post Post #1148 (isolation #60) » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:39 am

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Though, notably, kinetic only remarked that he was much more willing to let him die while quadz was rather trigger-happy with his hurt?

Perhaps the impatience is true for both of them, but there's a certain level of degrees that I think you're missing, LLD.

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Post Post #1160 (isolation #61) » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:16 am

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In post 1151, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1148, Voidedmafia wrote:Though, notably, kinetic only remarked that he was much more willing to let him die while quadz was rather trigger-happy with his hurt?

Perhaps the impatience is true for both of them, but there's a certain level of degrees that I think you're missing, LLD.

P-EDIT: Read, missy. Read.


Show me where I'm wrong, or stop answering for them.

I just did?

So, are we gonna kill Fate like we did Peregrine?

P-EDIT: Uh...

1.) He did win the argument and was better than you.

2.) It's hasn't been a gut read and I don't remember saying my opinion wasn't entirely not based on logic.

3.) I SAID Kinetic won the argument on every current point at the time I last posted on it, which should clearly meant I agreed with kinetic entirely. If you really want me to walk over the entire thing again, that's fine, but if I basically said I entirely agreed with Kinetic we're no longer arguing point-by-point but by the entire thing.

4.) Well, explain how Matt's post ISN'T possibly a joke then. Matt's switch on KKB is pending on what KKB actually does, so it's not in any way true.

...actually, start explaining how the fuck that's mudslinging in the first place.
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Post Post #1171 (isolation #62) » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:43 am

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In post 1166, Zdenek wrote:
In post 1160, Voidedmafia wrote:

1.) He did win the argument and was better than you.

Your welcome to this opinion.

Thank you.

Voided wrote:
2.) It's hasn't been a gut read and I don't remember saying my opinion wasn't entirely not based on logic.

In post 1050, Voidedmafia wrote:I suppose on an almost purely logical front with what I recall you may have been even with Kinetic--but it just felt like defense for the sake of defense, not defense to prove that you were actually town or defense to really try and prove kinetic's attacks as baseless, false, and at the core scummy.

On a logical front, we may have been even, the rest is about how you feel, with no actual reference to how anything that I did was scummy. It's just vague nonsense.

Well, firstly, I don't find none of that of be vague nonsense (yeah, yeah /opinion, shaddup). Some of the points I remember you trying to make at the tail end of the argument really just looked like you were reaching to see if something would stick, which led me to think that the argument was (or was becoming) less about you defending and more about you trying to get out of pressure.

Perhaps I will have to go back to debate the first half of your response, though.

First of all, I don't believe that you could possibly have arrived at this decision legitimately, but that aside, I've given you plenty of opportunities to justify it is some way, and you've just restated over and over again that you agree with Kinetic on every point and have given no examples to justify this stance.

Yes I can. As I said, I had read the argument in its entirety as it was going on, and I still stand by my claim made at the end.

As for the other half of this, fine. If you want me to show how each point is in kinetic's favor, then fine.

Voided wrote:
4.) Well, explain how Matt's post ISN'T possibly a joke then. Matt's switch on KKB is pending on what KKB actually does, so it's not in any way true.

...actually, start explaining how the fuck that's mudslinging in the first place.

Why do you think it's a joke because to me it's pretty fucking clear that it wasn't. I mean just read Matt's posts.
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Second quote does lend more credence to that thought, but in light of their most recent banter its made null until KKB proves himself one way or another to MattP.

All in all, I'm still kinda led to believe it was joking. I don't entirely believe it is, yeah, but I lean in that direction.
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Post Post #1184 (isolation #63) » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:14 pm

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In post 1172, Zdenek wrote:Here's the thing voided, the fact that you still believe that MattP was joking means that you're either scum trying to stick to a previously stated opinion or that you're town who can't be taken seriously, and either way I no longer really care what you think of my argument with Kinetic.

Why would believing that he's possible joking mean I'm "scum sticking to an opinion" or "non-serious town"? Matt hasn't stated one way or another if he meant it to be serious. The implications in the post itself can go either way depending on how you viewed his read (or change of read) on KKB.

And if you don't care then why does my opinion about it "shatter your townread on me"? I mean, if you're going to start calling me non-town at the least over something like that you at least need to care about what I think as that's kinda how you deal with changing a read on that stuff. Or were you just trying to find some way to stick scumminess on me and hope others would chime in?

In post 1174, Fate wrote:the BEST part is "I was going to give him a chance" = aka implicit knowledge tat I'll flip town

Wrong. Completely wrong.

Fate disappoints.

In post 1175, Fate wrote:
LOL IT GETS BETTER

"this isnt just about fate his alignment is irrevelant

WE NEED TO USE HIM AS AN EXAMPLE ANYONE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES WILL DIE"

just put a crown on him and call him satan

Which is, yknow, kinda the
point
?

Unless you're honestly trying to sell that you don't care if you win or lose, I'd think even you would have the sense to see what plans, if any, were laid out--even if they were currently tuned to be detrimental to you--and follow them as well. Your lack of anything but just yelling out whatever pops into your head is severly disappointing.

Matt: Are you saying you feel better about KKB as a townread or a scumread?
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Post Post #1189 (isolation #64) » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:29 pm

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As I kinda figured. Thanks for clearing that up.

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Post Post #1207 (isolation #65) » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:44 pm

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Hurt: Fate

This attack is unspent and irrelevant, as its target is already deceased.
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Post Post #3023 (isolation #66) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:45 pm

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In post 3015, Empire wrote:Voidedmafia, since you asked, I thought you were pretty clearly town this game.

I would honestly be interested if you ever had a chance to do a meta on me, just to see what I look like. I wouldn't ever really reference it myself (I really dislike using meta or self-meta), but it'd be an interesting read.

re this game: I can't tell you whether or not I thought zde was scum or not at the end, but I do know I wanted him and Tierce to just. Shut. Up. And then start riding Quil hard or something. The game was interesting and all, though.

Kinetic: I trusted you...*sniff* This is our first game together, and you treat me like this? You could've given me the damn deceny of dying honorably from a long and grueling battle, not being struck down from the
void
shadows.
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Post Post #3025 (isolation #67) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:18 pm

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LADY LAMBDA! HOW DARE YOU DO THIS TO MEEE!

(Though, seriously, why me? I'm pretty sure I was gonna suck up to Kinetic the entire game, at the rate I was going, barring anything that would've required a drastic change of thought, anyways.)
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Post Post #3033 (isolation #68) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:54 pm

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In post 3030, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I have to give Kayne props for a well played game. Very strong performance on his part. If he had just taken control and wheelbarrowed this town the way he wanted like he did with my lynch, he would have won this game.

Beyond that, I think the entire scum team played a really strong game, and I'm surprised about the impact I had even after I was dead. I felt like my actions throughout the game setting up interactions helped more after I was dead than when I was alive.



In post 3025, Voidedmafia wrote:LADY LAMBDA! HOW DARE YOU DO THIS TO MEEE!

(Though, seriously, why me? I'm pretty sure I was gonna suck up to Kinetic the entire game, at the rate I was going, barring anything that would've required a drastic change of thought, anyways.)

I feel so unloved...
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