Mini 1397: War is Hell (Game Over)

[MattP]

Absolutely not. That was a good town post good job good job

[Albert B. Rampage]

MattP explain what our plan is to catch scum?

[MattP]

What's MY plan is to catch scum? or what should we be doing as a group?

Let me actually ask YOU a question too. If I were scum do you think I would have unvoted you the moment pressure started going elsewhere? AND do you see how the post I quoted looks incredibly unguarded and towny as fuck?

[MattP]

Ok let me get even more specific. There is NO WAY at the moment I unvoted that I couldn't have been cognizant of the fact that it could easily be used against me given my caliber. Yet I still unvoted because I genuinely considered it incredibly town. So fill in the blanks. At absolute worse you could consider my unvote wifom coming from scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I wouldn't let my future daughter anywhere near you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What's MY plan is to catch scum? or what should we be doing as a group?

Let me actually ask YOU a question too. If I were scum do you think I would have unvoted you the moment pressure started going elsewhere? AND do you see how the post I quoted looks incredibly unguarded and towny as fuck?

What should we be doing as a group?

Can you show me a game where you were scum before I answer your question?

[MattP]

I'm straight as a paper clip

Pedit: let me get on a comp I'm on my phone right now and then we will continue this conversation

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'd like to have a look at how you played there and compare with your play now. I think you are very confident in your abilities. I don't think you are afraid of me or scooby lynching you. Tierce, yes. But Yosarian and kanye firmly have your back. So I don't see why you changed your vote.

[MattP]

If I were scum I wouldn't have changed my vote especially when I explicitly previously said I would prefer your lynch over scoobys previously and I was starting to really "win" it was completely counterproductive from a scum perspective but whatever this is obviously wifom now so I'd ignore the vote flip if I were you. I think your biggest concern would be if Matt would actually find that post you made town enough to abandon ship. Kanye could give you the best indication of that. But I'll find you some games to look at when I have a comp or alternatively look at Barkley, history mafia, Spartacus if you want some scum games

[quadz08]

Ugh. Self-meta.

I hate playstyles that grate me and are anti-town in my eyes, because it makes me read them as scum. Always. I can't not have those reads.

That's part of the reason why this game is so frustrating for me.

[Voidedmafia]

Because I woke up three hours ago and your post reminded that this game exists and that you are scum.

Matt is not scum. Or at least not scummy enough to hurt to death this Epoch.

1) Kinetic, Yos, and Zdenek are town. I greatly foresee town pushing through me, Zdenek and Yos as the next three mislynches. I will defend them vehemently. I will be coming up with my Zdenek is town case first to get back to whoever asked me about that

Town will push for mislynches? I'm confused. Don't you mean scum, Matt?

This is a clarification to clear up whether he claims his wagon is being pushed by townies or by scum...

And yet when asked as to what you meant (if in a roundabout way), you sidestep the question, avoid actually clarifying your stance until now, and instead pester him about cases...

Then lynch MattP! He probably thought he was finished and has nothing to lose so he suddenly started appearing more townie due to his appeal to emotions, and to his credit, he was able to convince void, but goddamn is he scum.

FYI the AtE never "convinced" me. I believe he's town based on what he's said (though how he said it may have played a role in better solidifying that townread).

Matt is a top player...just remember that. If he can talk his way past Yosarian, he's not someone you take lightly.

He fully knows how to "work the town" and act like he has nothing to lose. Saying things like "I lost hope in this town", I can't describe in words how wrong it comes across. It's a practiced and methodical spiel. Lynch the little manipulator before he can squeeze his way out of it.

So...Appeal to Fear, now, is it? Funny how you accuse Matt of using AtE to "convince" people/me, yet use what amounts to AtE to get people on his wagon anyways.

Void, Quadz, give me an idea how you feel about Zd, Xalxe, and Scooby.

zd: Still scummy. His arguments with you never sat right with me as I've stated before, and his sudden jump to Yos is suspicious and scummy as all hell. I'd be satisfied with lynching him, Scooby, or ABR.

Xalxe: ...I admittedly forgot if I thought he was town or scum. The continued pushing on matt as scum still looks bad, but it's not really scummy-bad from what I recall in comparison to, say, LLD or Scooby.

Scooby: Either scum or fucking useless. I mean, I know people like Fate like to shout "HEY YOU FUCKERS I'M TOWN AS SHIT!" as much as possible sometimes, but at least they have some kind of substance to reasonably back it up. Scooby has none of that. Plus his reasons for voting Matt are scummy, too.

I'm not sure about the MattP wagon still, and I'm pretty sure Albert is being attacked because of his style of play, not his scumminess, so I'm looking down my list of suspects

I think I'm attacking him for scumminess and not playstyle, though. If I'm not, by all means please show me.

I also think ScumScooby pretty much clears MattP in my mind.

I can agree with this logic.

He was away for a large part of the game, he came back, doesn't seem to have read the thread. Instead, he iso'd my posts and proclaimed I was scum. Much easier to do when you're looking for an innocent to slaughter than when you're trying to find scum. I think I understand his mind and how he acts.

But he also ISO'd me and a couple other people...?

I must say I'm surprised you're not all over me as well, Kinetic. You can feel how rusty I am? lol

Unvote

VOTE: Xalxe

...whawhuh?

Ok let me get even more specific. There is NO WAY at the moment I unvoted that I couldn't have been cognizant of the fact that it could easily be used against me given my caliber. Yet I still unvoted because I genuinely considered it incredibly town. So fill in the blanks. At absolute worse you could consider my unvote wifom coming from scum.

You're gonna have to explain the town motivation in that post. Granted, it doesn't feel like there's scum motivation, but I don't see the towniness in it, either.

Ugh. Self-meta.

I hate playstyles that grate me and are anti-town in my eyes, because it makes me read them as scum. Always. I can't not have those reads.

That's part of the reason why this game is so frustrating for me.

This game in particular or mafia in general?

[Zdenek]

How in god's name is my vote on Yos scummy as hell?

[MattP]

OK I WILL PRECISELY EXPLAIN WHY ABR IS GUARANTEED TOWN GET READY FUCKERS

[MattP]

I must say I'm surprised you're not all over me as well, Kinetic. You can feel how rusty I am? lol

Part 1: Let's make a statement to start off with. If we can agree that this is a genuine post, it means that ABR is town. Scum can make genuine posts as well, but this SPECIFIC post, if genuine, guarantees that ABR is town.

Part 2: This post specifically targets on something so peculiar, organic and specific that there is literally NO WAY this could be fabricated. If you don't feel genuineness oozing from this post then there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with you.

Part 3: BECAUSE this is so, regardless of ANYTHING I previously thought about ABR, this proves WITHOUT A DOUBT that ABR is town

If there is one thing I'm good at, it's catching shit like this (i.e. catching statements one player makes to another about something that has nothing to do with them scumhunting but just genuinely talking about something mundane and figuring out that only town would say them), and I will post examples from previous games for meta proof:

@UberNinja: Hello again, sir. I won't be making the same mistake as last game. If I get to LyLo you can bet I will be thinking my vote through a little more carefully.

But Maestro's comment about UN's advice was as good as a townslip

This was because of Maestro referencing something about his relationship to UN

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There's one in *ongoing*

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Disney mafia:

Klick asked me at one point if I thought he was town now that something had transpired in thread and it was just a huge towntell based on our play history

This was Klick referencing his relationship to me. He was town
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In post 78, chesskid3 wrote:
I mean the actual question ought to be

given fuckin CHESSKID is in a fate game

if there were a miller

what are the odds it'd be chesskid


Chesskid is miller

This was chesskid referencing his relationship to Fate. Chesskid was town.

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I'm sure there are a lot more examples but I don't actually think I've ever called out something like this and have been wrong but by all means look over my town meta:

Disney Villain Mafia
NY 157
Name of the Wind
Karma Mafia
Open 430
Always On Mafia
Mini 1359
Mini 1336 - Revolution Mafia
The Game of the Year
Open 415: Bird 7P
Newbie 1268: The Lance of Truth
Catch-22 Mafia
Mini 1345
Newbie 1249
Newbie 1235

You can add Marketplace to that too.

So the actual question at hand is if you think I would consider that statement a genuine one. And it is a completely genuine statement. Readjust your scumdar if you think otherwise.

[Voidedmafia]

Half-tempted to test you on that.

[suckerpoints](Got one for me, matty?)[/suckerpoints]

[MattP]

Got WHAT for you VM? GO AHEAD AND SAY IT

[MattP]

Got WHAT for you VM? GO AHEAD AND SAY IT

Dear mod,

Please send me a PM warning me that next time I do this I will receive punishment.

Regards,
MattP

[Voidedmafia]

These constant Slumber slip-ups do amuse me so.

I was asking if you got something similar to me. Not that you have to say what it is, just if you have it.

(Oh, and zdenek, it was already explained by someone; Quadz, I think. Go look back at when you voted Yos and then search the posts afterwards and you'll find it.)

[MattP]

I was asking if you got something similar to me. Not that you have to say what it is, just if you have it.

Like something mundane you've said to someone that proves you're town? I don't think so.

[quadz08]

I want to give VM high fives for agreeing with me on uhhhh everything.

The point matt made about ABR is good, and I trust both Matt's ability to read that, and it makes him come across as a lot more town as well. BLARG

I think we all get together, sing kumbayah, and lynch scooby today.

VOTE: Scooby

[Voidedmafia]

Aw, phooey :p.

Though, while I"m glad that you think ABR's town, and I do think you're town, my read on you isn't strong enough to trust you on that front. ABR's still scum for me.

P-EDIT: OMG BUDDYING! *votes Quadz* jk, I love you, too.

[MattP]

It's fine if you disagree with me for now, as long as you come around to it before he's lynched. ALSO ALSO IDGAF if you've "mundane-slipped" because you're obvtown anyway

Lemme get together me T-->S list

[MattP]

IDGAF about making a list due to the general lack of scumkills

TOWN

kanyeknowsbest
Albert B. Rampage
VoidedMafia
Kinetic
Zdenek
Yosarian2
Lady Lambdadelta
Tierce
quadz08
scooby
Xalxe

SCUM

AND just so you know, if we kill off Xalxe, scooby, and quadz there will be one scum left at MOST

[quadz08]

When did your read on me change?

[MattP]

It's been a VERY progressive thing for a while, would you like me to point out specific bad posts you've made? We can make it really simple and start with the ones on this page