Didnt you read the story?, obviously he's Santas and was exploring the cave when
Xelmas was killed lol. Therefore it couldnt have been him. Plus theres no was a scribe could kill a guild scorcerer- no offence SK.
I dont fully understand how this works. Is there another way you could explain it? Why not have the scummiest players sleep at night, therefore, it they are scum, they are either forced to lie or unable to kill. If they are unable to kill yay for us. If they are lieing, we have them stay awake n2, then we can test their votes on d3. To see if they actually slept N1. What do people think?farside wrote: This is the only reason I find sleeping during the day over night better. Scum knows X is asleep so they target Y.
But also my plan says town finds X and Y scummy and says hey you need to sleep tonight and can't sleep during the day. I can see a loop hole if x is scum but not Y but if both are scum loop holes can be found. But my hope is if we think X and Y we just lynch one or the other the next day.
I would rather force those we find the scummiest not to sleep during the day.
OMG after I read your first post I was like. Where the hell did this aggression come from? Sorry? But I understand now, so it cool xD....I apologize to Kenman.
I misread. It is VasudeVa who is an idiot, and at this point obvious scum. I blended the two posts by scrolling too fast.
Please, Kenman, forgive me for abusing you, the abuse belongs to VasudeVa!
Get with the program dude. Sleeping whenever you want is definitely anti-town. An organized sleep schedule will firstly, keeps everyone on the same page, that in itself helps town a great deal, also it will allow town to eliminate the scummiest people from influencing the vote by having them sleep. Not to mention, I can see some people sleeping at certain times to because they are scummy and want to aviod talking to people or cuz they are bad town and cant hide there PR's properly.Reaper Charlie wrote: Not really. I just think it's futile IN THIS CASE. And it's not anti-town to sleep whenever you want. I think town organization is good, especially in games like AiTP. But here it just seems fruitless. Nobody's come up with an even halfway viable solution that doesn't have gaping holes for scum to take advantage of.
If town agree with a half-way decent schedule, we should EXPECT you NOT to follow it? For Real? Are you trying to through confusion into the mix. Even if its not 95% bullet proof, some organization is better than none.This is coming from someone who said they prefer organization.ReaperCharlie wrote: Unless there's a 95% bulletproof sleep plan that doesn't leave any holes for scum, you can expect me not to follow it, along with half the players.
I think its getting us somewhere for a multitude of reasons. One beingReaperCharlie wrote: I realize Day 1 is usually a waste of space unless it stretches past the RVS, but this one went straight from RVS into (what I perceive to be) useless setup speculation that will ultimately get us nowhere and waste valuable time. And since days are less than a week long, even moreso.
How do you plan to about nominating these four sleepers? If your just looking for volunteers as Nik did. Then Im I dont mind sleeping either.UK wrote: Well, it's less than half the town. But not by much. Basically, I expect tomorrow needs to have a max of four sleepers. So, actually, I guess I was a little hard on you since I was saying functionally "slightly less than half the town"
Well I would hope they wouldn't. From what Ive seen, UK and ABR use reasoning and evidence when they suspect someone as being scum. If your going to provide neither then I see no reason why anyone should respect your accusations.Nikanor wrote:No thanks. I'm just going to sit back and wait for everyone (and by everyone I mean UK and ABR) to agree with me so that we can lynch you and be done with the game.
Yes I di' *snaps back*Nikanor wrote:Oh no you di'n't. *snaps*
If you need an explanation, it's because you voted for ReaperCharlie for opposing a sleep schedule, when not only are easjo and VV (you know, the other scum, who you've chosen to not attack except for some distancing in this post because they are your scumbuddies) much, much more guilty on that count than Charlie, but Charlie has even agreed to going along with a plan if one comes up that he agrees with.
It is scummy because an organized sleep schedule IS beneficial to the town. Especially the one we have settled on. Im not sure if you are arguing for the sake of arguing, which is definitely scummy, or you are genuinly opposed to the sleep schedule.VV wrote: I don't get why I am 'scum' for going against the sleep thing, also for voting who I think is leading the town into doing something silly. How is that scummy?
VV wrote: *WIFOM ALERT*
Why would scum bother going against it if they are going to disobey in the first place and get all that juicy info without them even trying, hm?
*END WIFOM*
You practically discredited your own arguement right there. Sleep does affect scum more than it affects town. They are required to stay awake in order to kill. So why would you not be in favor of a sleep schedule?VV wrote: Plus, the effect's don't seem that detrimental to town anyway. If anything, it looks more like sleep affects scum more than town.
It was a mistake to vote for you. Although I didnt like how you mentioned you were willing to deviate from the plan if you felt like it wasnt good enough. My read on you so far is neutral, though leaning scum, I could be wrong but its only day 1.ReaperCharlie wrote: Did you get the reaction you were searching for, and if so, would you care to explain what it was?
If not, why is your vote still on me?
Yah I know, thats what I said in the second sentece you quoted.farside wrote: never said everyone sleep during the day. I have been saying over and over those we find the scummiest should be forced to sleep at night or be lynched.
As of now I am not ignoring easjo its just that her posts seem really insubstantial. Shes not scum hunting or doing anything really, besides arguing with UK. I could see her being scum or just a bad town player. VV on the other hand, has posted significantly more substance, but only to the effect of incriminating himself even more. Regardless of whos bandwagon is bigger, I have a more confident read on VV and will leave it where it is for the time being,Nik wrote: Kenman's vote for VV is... a wtf moment for me. Kenman, you're still ignoring easjo. Both easjo and VV are guilty of what you're voting VV for. easjo has the bigger wagon. Thus, you should be voting for easjo. Why did you vote for VV instead?
Me=Wierd wrote: You know what would be really nice? If people started scum-hunting instead of discussing game mechanics. Yes it's necessary, but we're making too big a deal of it. I'm thinking I'll sleep N2, unless of course people want me to sleep at a different time. I'll probably have a case or case-like substance on easjo tomorrow.
He starts off stating how he feels that everyone should start scum hunting instead of discussing about the sleep cycle. Then DISCUSSES ABOUT SLEEP CYCLE. His very next post he votes easjo for what reason? Oh yeah, not scum-hunting. Me=Weird has 8 posts... no one which have any scumhunting in it. He has contradicted himself twice in two posts.Me=Wierd wrote:I read an ISO of easjo, and she doesn't even make an attempt at scum-hunting*, unlike most of us. With the deadline and all, and of course she's scummiest to me,
Vote: easjo682 "
My bad lol.farside22 wrote: Ken: Why did you not say anything about me and how is it that PittBunny get's town points mostly for talking set up while not scum hunting
Stupid question, she had the fetish-doll.....Pittbunny wrote:Hmm...I think I have enough data.
Easji, answer honestly.Did you self-ressurect?
I have suspected M=W since day two and VV from day one! You honestly think I accused them and put them in the spotlight from the beginning AND quick hammered my team mate as some sort of bus?! That really makes no sense. Im not sure what you are basing ANY of your assumptions on but your logic is frustrating me and you are either bad town or scum.Chronopie wrote:Given that Double voting is a more town aligned item, I'm calling Nik almost-confirmed town. Easjo flipped town, and was rezzed. Gut's telling me that Pitt's town.
otoh, I'm not liking VV at all.
@Ken: If you thought he was a liability, you might have quick-hammered him in order to minimise what he could have given away, and minimise links. (Assuming scum-buddies) And hammered scum for townie points.
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I'm fairly confident on these reads, feel free to discuss.
Town
easjo682 (Ferdinand Kepples)
Chronopie (Marya Torr)
Nikanor (Vastedon Kowrelle)
Pittbunny (Rachella Harlek)
Scum (?)
VasudeVa (Theadora Lye)
Kenman (Gaston Hartley)
havingfitz (Jonqin Aldertoss)