Mini 941: (Almost) No Rules Mafia (Game Over)
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Heh, most of the people in my MD thread think that I'm scum, well that was a rousing success. However it has brought out some scummy behaviour in a few people, namely Hooplas and xvart's votes on me (and Zang too I guess). Instead of giving their own opinions they've just said "well the people in the thread think you're scum so I'm voting for you". I think this could be scum hiding behind the opinions of others so they wont be accountable for their own opinions later on. They didn't even bother to say "I agree with what they're saying about such and such" they just blindly voted. Well Hoopla kind of did now that I read back on it, and Zang I'd like to hear why you voted for me seeing as you gave no reason at all. xvart's I find to be the scummiest:
The more I look at this it just seems like a massive excuse to vote someone, rather than actual scumhunting.xvart wrote:Thanks. I suppose if the thread was made to help find scum, the least we can do is follow their advice.
Unvote, vote: xvart
@Liam: I don't see the problem with starting the thread as early as I did, surely there are things to be learned from the RVS stage, otherwise you'd never get out of it. Besides people not in the game are more likely to stick with reading the game if they do it right from the beginning and read along as the game progresses.
I'm struggling to understand just what is going on with kitten and the claims business, Kitten are you basically saying that you were neutral and that based on a coin flip you became town?-
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This specifically UK I'd like you to explain/elaborate on seeing as it probably relates to zorasters last post.UncertainKitten wrote:I'd still like the other neutral to claim. I already selected town. If you selected town it's a coin flip to see who's helpful. I want both of us to die. If you roll scum, well, you know what you are getting rid of. If you roll town, well, obviously in exchange for your life you get a caught scum.-
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Well seeing as UK and Bananas' allignments wont be revealed until they're dead I think the safest bet is to lynch both of them. I'm more inclined to believe Bananas at this stage because as they said it seems like a unnessessary move for scum to do to out themselves just to get UK lynched. The only motivation I can see is if the town version has a heap of powers and so Bananas thinks it's a reasonable 1-1 trade, with the added bonus that nobody will know UK's allignment when she's dead so he may get away with not being lynched afterwards.
I think we should lynch UK today, and then if Bananas is telling the truth and if they have powers which differ from scum's they should use one of them tonight so that if they can prove they used it tomorrow we will know they are telling the truth.
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Ok SocioPath suggested not using Missouri's name so just to be on the safe side I'm going to call him by his location for now....although I have no idea how that would work with voting.
I can see how it could have been a vote made in jest but a vote is a vote and you can still use a joke vote to hide behind, particularly because there was already a vote on me and you went on to insinuate a scum partnership between me and Liam, so obviously it wasn't just a random vote in jest.Missouri wrote:My original vote was more out of jest, which was the reason I said it the way I did. Since it was still, in my opinion, close enough to RVS shenanigans I saw no harm in not making an official "case". Then, I kept my vote on you because of CallMeLiam's comment as pressure, since if you did get lynched and flipped scum it would give more information about CallMeLiam.
There are obviously more pressing matters to attend to now; but I don't want to hastily move my vote when there is plenty to discuss regarding the selector business. So I am comfortable leaving my vote on you for the time being.
I'm not willing to say the word at the moment because of the nature of the word, it leads me to think that the person who says it may be the one to die instead. Perhaps you should reveal your whole role if you want someone to say it.
@Zang, you still haven't given your reasons for voting me earlier.
I don't really get this...if you are town then you know 100% that UK is scum...so how is that wasting a lynch? This makes me suspicious of you because maybe you're trying to hold off on the UK lynch now that many of us have said we're going to lynch you right after. I don't have a problem with you guys treestumping but I don't really see how that helps us, isn't it just a last ditch effort to save yourself?Bananas wrote:Post 3/5
Actually, there is no need to waste a lynch on UK.
She has treestump - as do I. The ability to remove our votes and powers.
@UK: Please confirm or deny that the town JOAT has treestump.
Demand her treestumping today. If you want to, demand mine as well - but I suggest you give me at least one night to do something useful. If you want me to, I'll treestump tomorrow morning.-
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Well if the night actions aren't retained that makes things a bit different I suppose, in that case UK should go ahead and stump herself.
Then we have to weigh up whether it's better to not stump Bananas hoping that he is telling the truth and can utilise his night actions to try and prove that he is town, or to not take the risk of him being scum and stump him so that he can't utilise the scum powers. If we decide not to lynch either UK or Bananas today then I think it would be a good idea for them to reveal the town versions actions, as scum will most likely find out about them at night anyway, and it might help us in our decision on whether or not to stump Bananas.
I must say though I still think lynching both as soon as possible is the best move to give us information, because it seems as though you learn a lot more from a scum lynch than a townie lynch, and if we lynch someone else there is a good chance they will be a townie, whereas we have a guaranteed scum lynch within the next two days and we can then get information from that based on who was siding with who etc. If it wasn't for the (what is hopefully) unbiased opinions of at least one person in the MD thread that stumping is a better move then lynching then I would definately be saying that we should just be lynching at this point. I'm open to all ideas though given I don't have any experience with roles outside the more normal ones.
If we do allow Bananas the chance to prove his allignment tonight and he fails, then we absolutely have to stump him tomorrow. It would be ludicrous to allow someone with a 50% chance to be scum to continue in the game with the possible scum powers.
I've been thinking about it and I think there's a way we can prove he is town. If that role was given to mafia then I think it's pretty safe to say that his fellow scum wouldn't be able to say the words, otherwise that would defeat the purpose of the role as they would already know them. Thus if each day we get only whoever is about to be lynched to say the word, if that person flips scum and xv survives then I think we can safely conclude that he is town. Anyone who hammers without allowing the person to say the word will be really scummy in my eyes.Fishythefish wrote:Of the above:
- xvart I'm inclined to think was a misunderstanding. I also like his claim - although I'm wary of the same role, with mafia, who get something if we post the word (say a kill). If things go well otherwise, we should probably kill xvart by starving him of words.From here on, the decision to give xvart his word should be a consensus one.-
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As Fish said that doesn't really make sense because Zoraster announced that both people had chosen in the thread. The only way I can see UK being Bananas is if she is a jester with the ability to make the mod say things in the thread, in which case she is a freaking genius with one of the best claims ever and I take my hat off to her.animorpherv1 wrote:EBWOP: I don't know why, but I think UK is bananas.
It seems to me ani like you're trying to delay a UK lynch, and UK's vote seems like major distancing:
UK if you're town you should be voting for nobody but Bananas, seeing as they would be definately scum.UK wrote:Unvote, Vote ani
How nice to be indifferent when, you know, you SHOULD commit to a stance that could have SOME bearing on your scumminess depending on how I and bananas eventually flip.
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UK should treestump immediately
I'm still going to vote for her afterwards as I think that's the best plan of action, but at least this will get things moving.
Reading back I've just noticed a possible connection that someone was hinting at, which is making me think that allowing Bananas to have a night action tonight in an effort to prove himself could be okay. As I said before if he fails this then then he should be lynched tomorrow.
Espeonage, DocPotter, CoolDoG and DedicatedScribe all need to do the cryptoclaim (it seriously takes less than five minutes) as well as post more in general.-
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I don't understand how not lynching them is getting us two free lynches, we're going to have to lynch them both sometime down the track anyway (barring a successful cop investigation on one of them hint hint), and so I don't understand where the thinking comes from that we get two free lynches out of it. If we lynch them both now I believe what we learn from knowing which one is scum will help us hit scum again more than if we lynch somebody else today.Fishythefish wrote: @tnm: you advocate lynches on UK and Bananas. Regardless of what we think of their alignments, I disagree. I'm prepared to treat UK as very likely scum for the purposes of analysis, but even if I wasn't I'd much rather have both treestumped than lynched. I see it as pretty much giving the town two free lynches - even if we are left wondering who was town.
How does a rolecop differ from a normal cop? I'm guessing you learn the role, but do you learn the allignment as well? If so I'm thinking that we should give Bananas the benefit of the doubt considering his play so far and that we should allow him to use his rolecop tonight. If he fails to find scum we lynch him tomorrow (or at least stump if you guys can't agree on the lynch). If he hits scum then we spare him tomorrow and give him another chance to hit scum the next night. Every night he manages to find scum we should allow him another chance but if he doesn't we should lynch him (in case he is scum and he sacrifices a scum member the first night in order to try and confirm that he is town). At its worst if he is scum then he only gets one chance to find the role of a townie, and I think that is a reasonable risk given the possible reward if he is town.-
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Annachie you're gonna be in soooo much trouble, unless you're a sham account you shouldn't be posting in this thread.
That was the whole point of the joke, that TNTNM was so obviously me but trying to pretend like it wasn't, I was just bored and having a bit of fun with the rules. The rules state everyone is allowed two sham accounts btw, though I must admit I didn't realise the 5 posts per day was for both shams, so my bad on that one.Zang wrote:
There are numerous reasons why tntnm is scummy-totallynotmafia wrote:Uhh guys TNTNM is me and it was just a joke, I thought that was pretty obvious...obviously not. Why would you guys jump on the vote without even checking with me first?
1. It could have been somebodies attempt to frame you using a sham.
2. The account was used with no purpose, this can be confused with trying to confuse the town
3. The account was used as a joke so that you can later claim that it was a joke to take pressure off of you.
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why did you create an account with only a slightly different name and avatar and then say that it was you? You are only allowed one sham, why waste it for a joke by exposing it?
I will unvote you when you answer the above questions.
Ah, I think I understand you now, I was under the impression that even if they are stumped they will still affect lylo and so we would have to lynch them anyway...but I wonder how that works with the scum person....will they still be able to submit nightkills?Fishythefish wrote:Sorry, I missed this. It gives us two free lynches in the sense that we get two more lynches than if we don't lynch them. If we win the game barring UK/Bananas (say night kills stop for a few nights), we lynch them both and win. We really can just totally ignore them until the end (in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if treestumped players didn't even count towards winning conditions - if we eliminate all the antitown players except treestumps, there's literally no way to lose the game). Except in that they aren't revealed, and they can post (which we can just ignore), it's like they are dead in every way.
Yeah, the information would be nice. But is it worth two lynches (and therefore two nightkill phases) to know for sure that UK is scum? I really, really think not. Suppose we are now in standard 9-3. Then with two nightkills and two lynches, we are in 6-2 with some info. With no nightkills and two treestumps, we are in 8-2 with no info. I really don't think the information we would gain is worth two townies. Similar things apply in multiscum - it's never worth two lynches to find out one scum alignment and one town alignment.
I think I see where you're coming from but from my position there is pages of possible information in this thread that is useless without knowing which of the two is scum. I'm thinking it wouldn't hurt to go at least one day without lynching them but I'd feel a lot more comfortable knowing their allignments for sure sometime down the track.
And as for Bananas stumping if the rolecop doesn't detect allignment then I'm not as happy to allow Bananas to go un-stumped, just detecting the role of a person doesn't seem that advantageous for town to me, unless someone can convince me otherwise. If it does detect allignment then I'd be happy to allow him to go unstumped every day that he comes up with a result on scum.
@UK and Bananas, could you please both ask the mod if the rolecop detects allignment?
And I think it's time we finally put some pressure on the lurkers:
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Unvote, Vote: Zang
I'm absolutely baffled as to how you think my use of a sham account is scummy but DocPotters isn't.
Now that we know that the rolecop doesn't detect allignment I was going to say that Bananas should treestump but I think I have a better idea. I think Bananas should claim their real identity (only as an alternative to stumping), as if they are town they will force scum to either:
1) NK them, which saves us from one NK as we are most likely going to stump Bananas tomorrow anyway.
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2) Not NK them and risk being rolecopped.
For myself I think it would allow me to trust Bananas a lot more if I knew who the real person behind them was (although I think I may know already, but I'd rather know for sure).-
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I don't understand what you mean by "confusing the town", what exactly do you think I was trying to accomplish by posting with a fake account which looked exactly like me? Wouldn't I do it looking like somebody else if I wanted to confuse the town and then claim it was a joke afterwards? And how is DP's random post as Annachie asking the mod a question not confusing at all to town?-
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The problem with Annachie's post is that he was asking if there is a penalty for not answering a prod, which means that DocPotter was most likely prodded, and instead of just answering the prod and just saying in thread "I don't have time to post content I'll do it later" he used a second account to ask if there was a penalty, which seems to me like DP is trying to get away with lurking as long as possible. Let's not forget though that especially after xvart's claim we may have more people with weird roles or posting restrictions
I'm just trying to get to the bottom of what seems like an inconsistency to me in you seeing one use of a sham account as scummy and another not. It makes me think that DP could be your scumbuddy.Zang wrote:It was confusing because it was distracting. Gelid just claimed, DS promised a post full of info and treestumping became a good idea for most. Posting a joke account in the middle of this diverted our attention to you and away from any of the above. And annachies post is distracting but I don't see what it was distracting us from and if you think it is scummy why aren't you voting for him?-
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Well that makes things easier, nice one Hoopla. If you have unlimited daykills I suggest killing UK and Fishy so we still save the lynches but we get to learn their allignments.
Fishy I was pretty sure you were bananas from your posts but I wanted to make sure as if you weren't then I would have thought a scumgroup between you and bananas was a good possibility, and that was my initial worry after bananas first posted but after I realised you two were probably the same person then the suspicion subsided. All things considered I think there's at least a 90% chance you're telling the truth, but in the end I'd rather be safe than sorry, and more than just stumping I'd prefer to know your allignment for sure seeing as your optimal play as scum right now would be to protect your allignment from ever being revealed so that people can't make a connection between you and your scumbuddies.
If it isn't possible for both UK and Fishy to be daykilled then I'd be happy to stick with the old plan of giving Fishy the benefit of the doubt and allowing him at least one rolecop investigation before stumping.-
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Ha I can't believe we all fell for that, I even noticed it was spelt with an "e" instead of an "a" but I thought I had been spelling it wrong this whole time and didn't bother to check!
Unvote, Vote: zorestar
I can't see any pro-town reason for impersonating the mod. If they are town they're going to have to out themselves and explain.
Ok zoraster just posted while I'm writing this, so now that we know Hoopla's kill was a fake Hoopla is going to have to post their password for the cryptoclaim.
I didn't realise the deadline was so close, everbody needs to vote zorestar asap.-
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Hmm...can't remember you ever giving me that chance both times you've voted for me.FOS ZangAgain you're showing an inconsistency with your attitude towards shams, impersonating the mod is the BIGGEST way to confuse the town.
And with less than 24 hours til deadline, now is the time that you should be voting first and asking questions later.-
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I think that lynch was a bit silly, most of the people jumping on CML didn't even have a reason to think he was scummy (and didn't bother to consider his claim) they just didn't want to risk lynching UK. This is exactly the reason I hate the idea of having the scum remain in the game even though they can't vote, if UK is the scum then she's already managed to influence our votes just by being there. If she is HMN then the worst we could have done was remove her from the game. Based on the way the votes changed I think there's a good chance DeathNote is HNM and successfully managed to steer the vote off of himself.
In case I'm NKed I still think Zang has a good chance of being scum, his last post just adds to my suspicion of him. I trust xvart a lot more after his annoyance at the last minute scrambling but I think we should still follow my plan of making the person about to be lynched say his word. Also unless he finds scum tonight or somewhow proves himself town I think Fishy should stump tomorrow, my trust of him has waned after CML's flip.-
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That was either really silly of UK to claim scum because we still wouldn't have known her allignment until she's dead, or, what I think to be more likely, it could have actually been a strategic move.
The only benefits I can see at the moment of letting everyone know that she is scum are:
1)So we wont bother to lynch her as she's already treestumped, which if this is the case it must mean there is some benefit still for her being around...I'm sure we established that both joats would lose their night powers once stumped despite it not being in the PM, so I'm not sure of any other benefit.
2) So we start to look for possible distancing and bussing in her posts, which means theres a good chance that all that stuff with ani was fake distancing, so we need to treat all of her posts as wifom.
3) So we don't lynch Hate Me Not if it is one of her scumbuddies.
I'd be pretty happy with the HMN lynch as at worst we get rid of UK which after her claim as scum wouldn't be the worst idea anyway. There's no rush though, we don't even know if there are any shams who want to claim night results. I think we should force HMN to say xvart's word, if they refuse to then they are definately scum. As fishy said nobody else should say it.-
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Nothing about what? Please elaborate.animorpherv1 wrote:I'm saddened by the fact my crypto claim has nothing about this, but I wasn't told.
No, as I understand it it's just any role that would be carrying a gun, so cops count too.CMAR wrote:Also, could someone clear up what "having a gun" exactly means? Does this mean you are a killing role?-
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So you're claiming gunsmith?animorpherv1 wrote:http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Gunsmith-
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So why all the lies?DeathNote wrote:I am going to go ahead and claim Hate_Me_Not as my role. It is obviously a huge distraction to town. I understand it being considered a scummy tactic, but only for anyone else beside me. I had all the right in the world to do that seeing as I was the one being Fake killed. To prove it was me, I will add this PM conversation that I had with Zoraster after my initial two PMs.
zoraster wrote:
sure. you can post either way.DeathNote wrote:Ok well... tell me if I am wrong for doing this, but I am going to create a sham account and post in it. Will this be acceptable? I am assuming it is allowed since I am not in the dead area.
Sham account name is: Hate_Me_Not
DeathNote wrote:May I please point out that by lynching this Sham account, you could be lynching UK whom is a tree stump. If she is maf, that would make sense for the sham account not to claim and allow himself/herself to be lynched.
You were blatantly misleading the town here, how are we possibly supposed to believe you had a pro-town motivation for this?DeathNote wrote:That is my point. If UK is scum and is a tree stump, then using the sham account would get him lynched and force us to NL. There is plenty scum motivation, especially for a person who is tree stumped.-
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Nice try Hoopla, I even copied your original claim and saved it earlier in case you had any way of editting it. Your original encryption is completely different:
Hoopla wrote:ZZZZZ XKQQK FTMGJ RACXR STFQA AAPBC TUIRL AJCXT AKPTR QIFNB WCSTM
UQSJE LQHGJ QHWWR OGHGH WXIPU QCKVQ QQNQD QMFDQ WQHDN PPMTV CCSAB
XWVWJ VRUAH RWNWJ DQTJP BOJNA AGUHL JFGVF HTODI BBKJB TNTEV EOOTL
VWMPG LFDGT XMFHF HAVVP PKLEX GXXSI NLKBE ITPEO RSAPQ FUPEX OVIGA
UHTXR WDSTJ CCQVK EFDNE AKUCC CFPNV UTQAU RJCRJ CTLBM GMGFG BEVAJ
FXWIP HEBVV DVQKS DJBBC WEBXF DREQB TAXBL ULULP RAHEE JMLWT SNIET
GLVPO ASPJA NWRLB MMLTG PWIGF UOBRO TKTTF LHKPE QLKLQ SMDFP BCVSF
WJLTL EAXMP DJFLE JPBUH NFUMF SFCUV OASDV MJIXC KOIMW APRWN NKWNS
NBSQF ECFHA FOVCU QPSTD KAIAB SWAII OUGHT KJJIX LXILX MDLDG GHCXC
CSIOU TOMXE KJVFW VXTTW KXRSN QTKUS PEBSC JPPFC PUGFA LOLEG KGTLW
FKRKN JUPME SVIGH OISEO IFXSU PMVAG MZZZZ YYYYYVote: Hoopla-
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Clearly Hoopla's original claim is different, and so she tried to make it look as if she was just quoting her original claim and hoped that we wouldn't bother to go back and check if it was the same.
This seems too good to be true but it looks as if we've just caught two scum in Hoopla and DeathNote-
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DeathNote is scummy for the whole HMN and lying to the town thing. I forgot he was the one you fake-targeted, I don't really know the motivation behind doing that to fellow scum besides possible distancing but at any right I'd like to hear DeathNote's reasoning for misleading the town and not just owning up to the sham yesterday.-
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Why are you more concerned in defending someone else rather than yourself?
The facts are that:
1) You changed your cryptoclaim once you were caught and tried to pass it off as the original one.
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2) DeathNote got a townie lynched by lying about who HMN was.
That's two pretty scummy people right there.-
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1-3) Please don't do a UK on us and subject us to all that again. It's over, you got caught, you have the right to remain silent but anything you do say will be taken as WIFOM.Hoopla wrote:1) What are you talking about?
2) I don't think it was DeathNote's sham account that got Liam lynched.
3) Even if that is true - how does a Hoopla/DeathNote scumteam possibly work?
4) What are you wearing?
4) Nothing.-
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No, that doesn't make sense. Think about it, if you are town and if Hoopla said she had a guilty on you then we would all lynch you, then you would flip town and we would all know she was lying scum. Saying she has a guilty result on you would be the dumbest move for scum.
Smart scum will always try to legitimise a fake cop-claim by claiming innocent on town and guilty on fellow scum.-
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You're right, I don't believe you, if you had legitemately lost your password you would have just said it rather than trying to pass off that claim as your original one.Hoopla wrote:Look, here's what happened. I lost the key to my first cryptoclaim and knew I'd be lynched for it after I remember I hadn't saved it. This is why I claimed this way - because if I was going to be lynched anyway, I might as well have tried to repost my role PM. It was a risk that I needed to take, because there was no downside to losing.I am a cop, and it sucks because ani will probably just out someone tomorrow as well.
I don't expect to be believed, but this is what happened, and I am sorry for losing my first password. I knew it had to come out at some point though.
Town PLEASE keep your password safe, if you claim to lose it you will be lynched. Otherwise it defeats the whole purpose of the cryptoclaim if scum can just say "whoops lost my password".-
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Why didn't you admit it was you yesterday? It seems to me you only admitted it today because you were about to be lynched.DeathNote wrote:Your an idiot (addressing anyone who is calling me out as scum for claiming my sham).
I can understand if I was caught hiding my sham account, but I confessed it. obviously people thought it was anti town to point out I was still alive which might be the case assuming that it was anyone beside me that pulled that stunt. I was curious as to were this was leading so I used a Sham, big deal.
I derailed town from lynching me. It is not my fault we lynch a different town person. Either way, we might have lynch him today.-
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You had three votes on you already and I had stated that I intended to vote for you I just didn't want to rush it. You were going to be lynched today, and I would vote for you now if it wasn't for Hoopla being caught out fake-claiming.DeathNote wrote:
Bull, I was about to be lynchedtotallynotmafia wrote:
Why didn't you admit it was you yesterday? It seems to me you only admitted it today because you were about to be lynched.DeathNote wrote:Your an idiot (addressing anyone who is calling me out as scum for claiming my sham).
I can understand if I was caught hiding my sham account, but I confessed it. obviously people thought it was anti town to point out I was still alive which might be the case assuming that it was anyone beside me that pulled that stunt. I was curious as to were this was leading so I used a Sham, big deal.
I derailed town from lynching me. It is not my fault we lynch a different town person. Either way, we might have lynch him today.yesterdaynot today. This holds no substance.
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I think there's a possibility Espeonage may have slipped up with his "there is more than one faction" post, and if there are two scum teams I think they could be:
Scumgroup A:
-Hoopla
-Espeonage
Scumgroup B:
-DeathNote
-UK
Which explains certain players actions and why Espeonage would know if there is more than one scumgroup.-
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What about Hoopla makes you think she's town?Espeonage wrote:Fair conclusion.
I do agree that those couples are probably on the same team. Group A in the Town and Group B in a mafia faction.
Please go back over the last few pages and read everything again, but I'll try to explain as concisely as possible what happened and why I'm sure she's scum:
1) Ani voted for Hoopla saying she's got a gun.
2) We forced Ani to claim which he did and his claim was gunsmith.
3) We then forced Hoopla to claim, and she appeared to quote her own claim from before, but obviously it was a different claim.
4)She then later claimed that she had lost the original key.
I can't seriously be the only one who sees that she is scum and in her original claim she must have just claimed VT or someone who doesn't have a gun, and so after Ani's investigation she knew that the original claim would catch her out so she attempted to fool us by making it look as if she had quoted her original claim but it was really the new cop one.
Even without this the role PM looks fake anyway:
Somebody else please tell me they see this.You are a town cop. You can detect whether people are innocent or not. Be aware of Godfathers, Millers, Framers, etc.! You may send your target each night by PM, and I'll tell you whether or not they're aligned with a/the mafia.
Town: You win when all mafia, sks and any other malicious third parties are eliminated.
Confirm in Thread
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 93&start=0-
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Well for starters, it says "you can detect whether people are innocent or not."Espeonage wrote:What about the role PM looks fake?
A cops main object is to find scum, so wouldn't it be more likely to say "whether people are guilty or not."
And would the mod really warn about godfathers and millers etc?
Also shouldn't it say that the reply would be guilty rather than simply if they are alligned with a/the mafia as there could be third parties?
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We are lynching Hoopla as soon as the other town players realise thatsneakily changing your cryptoclaim is extremely scummy.
The whole point of cryptoclaiming is so that scum are forced to make their claims early and then have to stick with them. E.g. scum claims VT to be on the safe side, they later get accused of having a gun, they go "oh shit VTs don't have a gun but scum do so everyone will know I'm scum, well I'm doomed but hey as long as I'm screwed I may as well try and get away with making another cop cryptoclaim and put it into a quote so it looks like it's the original one and just hope people wont go back and actually check....oh shit they checked I'm screwed now....oh well I'll just say I lost the key....oh shit I can't believe they actually believed me this is too easy WOOHOO!!!!!"
It's absoluteley mind-boggling that you guys are letting Hoopla off the hook, it's literally boggling my mind. I like the game boggle but NOT IN MY MIND. The cryptoclaiming was a complete waste of time if we're not going to hold people accountable to it.-
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LOL I almost pissed myself laughing, worst sham ever!TheRealGunSmith wrote:
Oh really?animorpherv1 wrote:Also, I just checked the Usernames, and The Real Gunsmith isn't even a sham, but a clever unmade username in a fake photo.
I am going to establish that I am not a gunsmith, I just couldn't think of a name for another sham account.
I thought TheRealGunsmith was Hoopla and she just didn't bother to use it once she realised that by claiming cop she had legitimised Ani's gunsmith claim anyway, but maybe she gave the password to UK or something.
Anyway thanks for the laugh. I'll be back with my thoughts on everything once I change my pants/tomorrow.-
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Ok so I guess that means we only have one scum team with one remaining scum (other than Stumpy McNo-vote). I'd say at the moment the top candidates are:
-DeathNote: for blatantly misleading the town to save his own arse
-Espeonage: for his consisitent defence of Hoopla (although this may just be due to misplaced trust after Hoopla claimed an innocent result on him)
-Zang: I've thought him scummy for a while now, and his reactions to CML and Hoopla's flips makes me more suspicious of him.
If DeathNote is scum then the whole fake-daykill thing is a bizarre way of bussing to say the least. I just don't understand the motivation of DN to do what he did if was town, so perhaps he is a SK or something.
I went back through Zoraster's posts to see if Hoopla may have ever used the broadcast ability, and the only posts that would make any sense to be broadcasts are:
zoraster wrote:I just wanted to clarify that yes, treestumping does mean that powers are unusable. The only thing a treestumped person can do is post about the game here, in public mafiascum threads, and -- if scum -- in the QT at the appropriate times.
I thought that maybe UK had kept her powers after the treestump and Hoopla wrote these so we wouldn't know, but checking back at Bananas posts it looks like he did confirm that the powers would be lost after stumping. It may be possible that Hoopla broadcasted the second quote and that UK may still be able to submit nightkills.zoraster wrote:It's a lonely death. Sham accounts are not revealed upon death.
Also, elmo from that other thread brings up a good point, so I'll clarify: for the purposes of win conditions, a treestumped player is considered eliminated.
I'm thinking also that we should consider massclaiming tomorrow with everyone submitting their keys. Apparently we have a cop, a tracker and a sham detector if these shams which keep popping up are to be believed, but it seems like too many power roles to me, so if the sham claims don't match up with the cryptoclaims we would know which sham was lying and be able to lynch them immediately. If they do all match up then given the fact that scum received the VT role PM and given Hoopla's initial claim I think it's quite likely that the other scum took the safe option and claimed VT in their cryptoclaim. Anyway, I think it's worthwhile considering for tomorrow.-
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