Mini 941: (Almost) No Rules Mafia (Game Over)

[Zang]

Ani-What are your results on tnm?

[totallynotmafia]

Whoah that was quick. I guess that pretty much makes Grimmy town as he's v/la on weekends so it's unlikely he submitted the NK.

Zang, who did you protect?

Ani, who did you gunsmith?

Logically Zang should be scum, but I'm not ruling out Ani performing a massive bus.

[Zang]

I protected ani.

[totallynotmafia]

Why did you do that when CMAR was already protecting him?

[Zang]

Why did you do that when CMAR was already protecting him?

I didn't see his post until after day started.

[animorpherv1]

I smithed tnm, and he has a gun.

[totallynotmafia]

Oh wow, okay Ani is scum, pretty sure VT's don't have guns.

vote: animorpherv1

@Zang and Grimmy I'm fairly sure I can show you guys why Ani is scum just please give me the chance to do so.

[animorpherv1]

<stuff>

Please note that you will also get a "Fake" townie PM soon that includes this power in it.

THIS is your real role PM.

<stuff>

vote: tnm

[Zang]

Vote:TottalyNotMafia

[totallynotmafia]

If I'm scum then that means the mod gave out fake VT role PMs to scum when there are no VTs in the game which is ridiculous.

Zang have you seriously never heard of the mod giving scum safe claims to protect them from massclaims?

[Zang]

Yes I have but you have a gun. A VT wouldn't have a gun

[totallynotmafia]

BTW this:

[REDACTED, remind me to repost after the game is over.]

posted in the thread "proven role is not the same as proven allignment" is what first made me think Ani could possibly be scum with UK talking about the gunsmith role.

[totallynotmafia]

Yes I have but you have a gun. A VT wouldn't have a gun

Exactly, which is why Ani is lying and is scum. Do you really think I would invite Ani to gunsmith me if I was scum with a VT claim?

[totallynotmafia]

@Grimmy, wherever you are, please don't vote until I've had time to put up a case, which should hopefully be tomorrow night.

[Zang]

Yes I have but you have a gun. A VT wouldn't have a gun

Exactly, which is why Ani is lying and is scum. Do you really think I would invite Ani to gunsmith me if I was scum with a VT claim?

Well, You couldn't deny ani gunsmithing you without sounding like scum.

[totallynotmafia]

So in your mind, there's no possible way that Ani is a scum gunsmith who bussed his partner on day 2 in order to get a free ride to the end?

[totallynotmafia]

Zang, please take a look at this thread:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13861

[Zang]

So in your mind, there's no possible way that Ani is a scum gunsmith who bussed his partner on day 2 in order to get a free ride to the end?

I think it is possible but more unlikely.

[totallynotmafia]

Zang, I defy you to go back and find even one instance where I've acted scummy. Ani has consistently shown infifference and has hardly scum-hunted at all .

If Ani was town then there's no way he would have immediately voted Hoopla upon his investigation as it states in his role PM that some town members would have guns so there's no way he could have known for sure:

I will not provide a list of who has guns, but I will say that most mafia members, some town members, and if there are any, some third party members, will have guns

And he did the same thing when he voted for you yesterday Zang, if he was town he would have considered the fact that a bodyguard might have a gun.

[Zang]

Zang, I defy you to go back and find even one instance where I've acted scummy. Ani has consistently shown infifference and has hardly scum-hunted at all .

If Ani was town then there's no way he would have immediately voted Hoopla upon his investigation as it states in his role PM that some town members would have guns so there's no way he could have known for sure:

I will not provide a list of who has guns, but I will say that most mafia members, some town members, and if there are any, some third party members, will have guns

And he did the same thing when he voted for you yesterday Zang, if he was town he would have considered the fact that a bodyguard might have a gun.

I will go look back and reread until then I will

Unvote

[animorpherv1]

Zang, I defy you to go back and find even one instance where I've acted scummy. Ani has consistently shown infifference and has hardly scum-hunted at all .

If Ani was town then there's no way he would have immediately voted Hoopla upon his investigation as it states in his role PM that some town members would have guns so there's no way he could have known for sure:

I will not provide a list of who has guns, but I will say that most mafia members, some town members, and if there are any, some third party members, will have guns

And he did the same thing when he voted for you yesterday Zang, if he was town he would have considered the fact that a bodyguard might have a gun.

Hoopla's was a pressure vote, to get her to claim. Wth yours, you claimed VT, and a VT

should not have a gun

. Zang's vote was bad, yes.

Also, I <3 how you suddenly changed your mind from me being town to me being scum when I investigated you, as asked.

[animorpherv1]

I kinda hate taking advantage of that but the timing of those last few posts makes it highly likely that Ani is town. Anyway, I'm interested to see what Hoopla's claim is.

Reference to this quote.

[Zang]

Well tnm is right that ani has done no scumhunting but only day 1. He picked it up day 2 though but this could be just because he got his result on hoopla.

Tnm has done almost twice the scumhunting of ani but what is suspicous (besides him having a gun) is that like ani pointed out, Tnm has shown no suspicouns of ani until post 881 after ani said he has a gun.

[totallynotmafia]

Zang, that's not the first suspicion I've had of Ani:

BTW this:

[REDACTED, remind me to repost after the game is over.]

posted in the thread "proven role is not the same as proven allignment" is what first made me think Ani could possibly be scum with UK talking about the gunsmith role.

I'll admit the suspicion wasn't that great, but of course that is going to change after he claimed I have a gun as I now know 100% that he is scum and trying to frame me, as a VT wouldn't have a gun.

If I were scum I could have jumped on the vote for you yesterday, claiming that bodyguards don't necessarily have guns and avoided the gunsmith tonight, winning the game then and there.

If I were scum I could have allowed you guys to continue to think Hoopla was town after her failed cryptoclaim instead of working hard to convince you guys otherwise.

If I were scum I could have not said xvart's word, and not come up with a way to prove he was town.

If I were scum I could have pushed to make Fishy stump day 1, instead of giving him the benefit of the doubt and allowing him a chance to catch scum.

If I were scum I could have not created the "Let's play a game!" thread, which has helped town throughout the game, most notably with the cryptoclaims.

I understand if you think that's all WIFOM, but here's the important bit:

If Ani were town he would not have voted for Hoopla immediately after the gunsmith as the role PM clearly indicates that some town members would have guns.

If Ani were town he would not have voted for you immediately after gunsmithing you, for the exact same reason.

If Ani were town he would have voted for me immediately after gunsmithing me, as in that case that would make me 100% scum with my VT claim.

Ani is the scum gunsmith. He did not have to use the VT role PM he and Hoopla were provided with because gunsmith is a good town claim anyway. Sometime before Day 2, he and Hoopla came up with the plan for Ani to bus Hoopla and claim he had a gun, which would legitimise Ani's gunsmith role and make him look town, thus giving him a free pass to lylo where all he had to do was frame a town member, me.

[totallynotmafia]

Also, if Ani were town he would have claimed his gunsmith results via sham account in order to save himself from the NK. Obviously as scum he wasn't concerned with this, and was more concerned with setting up his gunsmith claim.